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Apple to Build Second Campus

Randy writes "Apple plans to expand dramatically in Cupertino by constructing a second major campus, one mile from Infinite Loop. Lamenting the fact that 'there aren't many apricot orchards left' upon which to build a new campus, Apple CEO Steve Jobs noted that Apple nevertheless managed to do the trick by purchasing several contiguous properties." From the article: "The maker of Macintosh computers and iPod digital music players will house 3,000 to 3,500 employees in the new campus, about 10 minutes away from its headquarters on Infinite Loop in Cupertino. Jobs estimated that it will take three to four years to design and build the new campus."

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  1. Good ol' California traffic by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    one mile from Infinite Loop.

    and then

    about 10 minutes away from its headquarters on Infinite Loop

    10 minutes seems a little optimistic to travel one mile in that area. He must mean on foot, it would take twice that long in a car.

    1. Re:Good ol' California traffic by Troglodyt · · Score: 2, Funny

      haha, who takes a car to go one mile? I've heard about americans driving everywhere but this has to be made up?

    2. Re:Good ol' California traffic by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Dude, most Americans will get in the car to avoid walking across a parking lot! That's why most new malls in this country no longer have internal walkways.

      I used to have a job about a mile from my house. I'd usually walk to work. All my co-workers thought I was very strange. And before you say, "lazy Americans" note that many of my co-workers were Asian immigrants.

  2. link to video of Steve Jobs address by laurensv · · Score: 4, Informative

    Steve Jobs addresses Cupertino City Council
    watch it here

  3. You'd think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An infinite loop would have plenty of room to grow.

  4. I need to get my eyes checked.. by lelitsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    For a minute there I read "Apple to Build Second Coming". And it only seemed a bit strange.

  5. Re:unless by happyemoticon · · Score: 2, Funny

    or a secret underground tunnel... the iTube!

  6. Disappointed by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 5, Funny

    No mention of "one more thing" at the end of the presentation. The lighting was also all wrong and there wasn't a 50 foot high media screen behind him demonstrating the new land purchase. Plus he wasn't even on stage - what's up with THAT?

    Finally and the rumors from ThinkSecret.com on the construction of an in-orbit death-star battlestation were off by a large margin.

    1. Re:Disappointed by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Funny

      On the bright side, my building feels a lot snappier!

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  7. Introducing the iHouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Featuring all of the things you need, and none of the things you don't... like lightbulbs that need changing. For the poor, they'll also be introducing the iHouse mini. All of your favorite iHouse features in a small profile.

  8. California business baffles me.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. I mean why, in this day and age, would someone choose to enlarge business in CA? With costs of everything sky-high, traffic, smog, and the punishing taxes, I just don't see it.

    I mean, except for the nice weather, surfing and scantily-clad girls...

    Granted, relocating _everything_ may not wash in the overall cost/benefit analysis, but I don't see why anyone would choose to start a business any larger than a dorm room or off-campus house in CA.

    Frankly, if I were creating a 'real' business (which involved more people than could comfortably fit in my dining room), why shouldn't I do it in Nevada, which has _no_ corporate income tax (or individual income tax for that matter)?

    1. Re:California business baffles me.... by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because then you need to go to the client's (or sponsors) building for something and you're out in Nevada when they're all in California. Jobs rightly pointed out that they could have picked up a lot of land much cheaper if they moved further away, but they wanted their new campus to be within spitting distance of the old one.

      No matter how good your VTC solutions and phone system are, there are some things that just have to be done in person.

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    2. Re:California business baffles me.... by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Access to top-flight talent. Ease of meeting face-to-face with business partners. No matter how good telecommunications may get, it will never be quite as good as physical presence. After all, you can choose to videoconference even if you're only one room apart, but the opposite isn't true--you can't simulate physical presence with a telecom link.

      Ask yourself why corporate headquarters continue popping up in New York, and nowadays are even moving back. Like the mayor says, from a business perspective, the city is a luxury good. Economies of scale, scope, and agglomeration outweigh the increased tax burden. Same as always.

    3. Re:California business baffles me.... by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They're not enlarging (right now). They're consolidating---moving from something like 35 rented/leased properties to one owned property. It's a lot cheaper to move thousands of existing employees to a new facility across a town than it is to try to convince them to move to another state (and try to replace everyone who said "no").

      Besides... the higher density obtained by not leasing a bunch of one and two story buildings should free up a lot of those smaller office buildings to be leveled by their owners for future condo projects like the one across the street from Apple.... :-)

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    4. Re:California business baffles me.... by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sorry, to be more precise, they are growing (continuously), but that growth is orthogonal to the move. Presumably, the move is partially to facilitate future growth as well, but the move is mainly to consolidate the corporate sprawl that causes some employees to have to drive for two or three miles just to eat in Café Macs.

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    5. Re:California business baffles me.... by oatworm · · Score: 2, Informative
      I live in Nevada, and I can tell you precisely why.

      1. Finding sufficiently trained employees for the kind of work Apple does would be very difficult. The only way Apple could get the kind of talent they need would be to hire them in CA and relocate them, which a lot of companies do. This is great and good, of course, until somebody quits; since there's little native talent, who do you replace them with? UNR/UNLV grads? They're both getting better, mind you, but they're nowhere near good enough to pull that off, and neither university is cranking out grad students anywhere near fast enough to meet existing local demand, much less staffing another Apple campus. This is why tech companies group together in the first place.
      2. Our unemployment rate is around 3.5-4%, meaning finding talent of any sort is especially difficult right now.
      3. Nevada is becoming more expensive to live and set up shop in. Getting a new home in Reno used to cost about $150k 5-10 years ago; that number is now somewhere past $300k, and with water rights selling around $40k/acre-foot, that's not going down anytime soon. LV prices, as I understand it, are comparable. Granted, they're still less than Bay Area prices, but the only place that isn't these days is NYC.
      4. Proximity to existing staff - this has already been mentioned, though.

  9. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by dhowells · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Finding it too expensive to live in your area? As Thatcher said, 'On your bike'. Sure, accommodation costs more in areas where jobs pay higher wages -- that is the result of market mechanisms ensuring that the value of the exchange medium (dollars) is constant accross the economy. If you think that the rest of the country has cheaper houses, and reasonable wages, then why don't you enrich yourself by moving there?

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  10. In Related News ... by Darth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Several analysts have downgraded Apple's stock, after the meeting.

    They cited the lack of any major product announcement in his presentation as a sign of weakness.

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  11. Re:Does anyone know where exactly this is? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The San Jose Mercury News has a map. Note to submitters: the San Francisco Chronicle isn't nearly as good as the MN on computer industry news. Try to find the MN link before submitting.

  12. Uh-oh... but at least it's not new _headquarters_ by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish I could remember who told me that it was a warning sign when a company builds fancy new headquarters.

    This held true for Wang Laboratories, which built The Towers just a few years before imploding... RCA's computer division build a huge, shiny building in Marlboro, Massachusetts, then collapsed, Digital BOUGHT that building and collapsed...
    Come to think of it, just when did Apple build the first Infinite Loop campus?

    (If the new-headquarters effect is more than coincidence, the cause and effect is that it tends to indicate a degree of overconfidence, ego, hubris...)

  13. What will it be called? by hawaiian717 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suggest: Apple ][

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  14. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by tonydiesel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Argh... if you watch the video, you'll hear that the land was already zoned for commercial use. It isn't like they bought land that was going to be used for housing and are going to convert it. They're going to be building on land that is already used for commercial purposes.

  15. Re:Think Different. We need cheap housing first. by Thorkytel+Ant-Head · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, but the hyperbole just isn't true. I have a decent- to low-level engineering salary, and my family (single income, by the way) bought a house in the Bay Area maybe three years ago, with nearly no money down. Three years later, its value has increased by about $250,000. Remember, this is all within ten to fifteen minutes of the Apple campus. There are plenty of houses available out here at relatively affordable prices. Sure, it's a little bit of a pinch, but on the profits we've made over the last few years, we could buy a new home pretty much anywhere else in the United States. That's not bad at all.

    To summarize: It's not that bad. Stop complaining. Just dive in and buy something.

  16. rampant speculation by suzerain · · Score: 2, Funny

    I will seed Think Secret and AppleInsider with some good fodder for an article about this.

    This move is clearly proof that Apple is going to spin the music division into its own company. One campus for computers, one for music publishing/distribution.

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