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Your Thoughts Are Your Password

Vitaly Friedman writes "Scientists hope that mind-reading computers will one day replace typed passwords, making fingerprint readers and retina scans obsolete. Skeptics say don't count on it. From the article: 'Researchers at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada, are exploring the possibility of a biometric security device that will use a person's thoughts to authenticate her or his identity. Their idea of utilizing brain-wave signatures as pass-thoughts is based on the premise that brain waves are unique to each individual. Some researchers believe the difference might just be enough to create a system that allows you to log in with your thoughts.'"

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  1. Great... by x2A · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...so my computer won't let me use it when I'm stoned or tripped out :-/

    Gonna have to get a standalone CD player and ditch winamp and it's pretty visual plugins :'-(

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    1. Re:Great... by Vengeance · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or just make sure you're *always* both stoned and tripping when using your system. You'll be just fine.

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    2. Re:Great... by jfengel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably a good thing, if you ever go on eBay.

    3. Re:Great... by x2A · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just need to get a little high, then I'll be able to log in... hey that's it!

      What, the password?

      No, that's the tune to funky town!

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    4. Re:Great... by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd love it if my computer wouldn't let me unlock it to write drunken e-mail at three AM.

    5. Re:Great... by bubblesonx · · Score: 2, Funny

      LOL, yes, that, or sign on any of the instant messengers or IRC.

    6. Re:Great... by fastgood · · Score: 3, Funny
      so my computer won't let me use it when I'm stoned

      It's like the DMV -- get your driver's license picture taken when you're drunk, so the cop will recognize you.

    7. Re:Great... by pclminion · · Score: 2, Funny

      This sounds like the voice of experience...

    8. Re:Great... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry. I'm sure they won't allow this in the Oval Office.

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    9. Re:Great... by fireman+sam · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...

      Tech Support: I'm sorry Mr President, your brainwave password is too simple, you will have to think a lot harder.
      President: If I think any harder, I'll crap my pants. ...

      Sorry, I've just been browsing the internets for George WWW quotes.

      Fight the fish!

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  2. boobies by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 4, Funny
    My password would be 'boobies' since i'd always have my password straight up...

    Wait, did I just say that out loud ?

  3. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why do I suspect there will be quite a few folks out there with not particularly complex passwords?

  4. First Thought password by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know my first thought password wil be along the lines of:
    "If you don't let me into this computer right now, I'm going to throw you out of the window."

    The Urgent-use chip that typically prevents access to a technology when the user is in desperate need, will be in direct conflict with the new thought reading password-chip. The upcoming internal struggle in computers will be interesting to watch, but a pain to support.

    1. Re:First Thought password by orangesquid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Invalid login. Please try again." Dammit. "Invalid login. Please try again." Goddammit. Piece of crap. "Invalid login. Please try again." ...As user becomes more agitated, probability of producing correct signatures decreases...

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    2. Re:First Thought password by Thaelon · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is also true with voice recgonition software.

      The more frustrated you get, the farther from normal your voice becomes, and the less accurate the speech recognition matches. Which makes you more frustrated...

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  5. Hopeful Scientists... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny


    Scientists also hope that soon breakthroughs in the field of Artificial Intelligence will give rise to a new race of machine intelligences, who will selflessly do all our work for us, freeing us for lives of leisure (and, incidentally, not murder all of us or make us into batteries).

    Scientists also hope that soon they will identify the Dishonesty Gene, so that they may excie it from humanity's DNA, creating a race of perfectly honest people who no longer need to safeguard their systems with passwords.

    Scientists also hope that soon they will be able to transport our consciousnesses into vast computers, giving each member of humanity a lifespan of eons and a godlike existence.

    Me...I just want my goddamned flying car. That's all.

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    1. Re:Hopeful Scientists... by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Me...I just want my goddamned flying car"
      A more significant use of thought-reading computers could be to have them design a device or program of our wishes/thoughts. Until this point people have had to program or draw what they want and tell the machines what to do to make it. Maybe now besides a computer reading our thoughts so we can never be free [since the computer would hand over our thoughts to a government request for information], we can also have them design wonderful things automatically by thinking about it, and letting the computer work out the details.

    2. Re:Hopeful Scientists... by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 4, Funny

      not murder all of us or make us into batteries

      This just struck me as funny. A typical machine would interpret this condition as satisfied if either of the following two conditions were met:

      1) Not all humans were murdered.
      2) Humans were made into batteries (negation has higher precendence than -or- operations).

    3. Re:Hopeful Scientists... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Funny

      Me...I just want my goddamned flying car. That's all.

      We have them. They're called airplanes (or a slightly different style which is called a helicopter).

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  6. Too good to be true? by propellerhead_prime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I for one, welcome our mind-reading computer overlords. Can't wait til MS gets a hold of mind reading technology. I am sure it will be totally secure...

  7. Karnak joke... by Attis_The_Bunneh · · Score: 2, Funny

    *puts on blue turban and takes an envelope*

    Dumber than a brick.

    *rips open envelope to read what's inside*

    What you call a person that can't give their 'mind password.'

    -- Bridget

  8. It'll never work. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I deal with users all the time, and there is no WAY this'll work...There is no software ever written that can distinguish one blank slate from another.

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  9. Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    fMRI xperiments have consistently shown that people are not able to consciously control activity (average firing rates) in local networks within the brain. Since all brain scans pick up mean field electrical activity (and, unless you are willing to stab yourself in the brain with micro-electrodes, always will), it will be impossible to create a unique thought pattern signature that is consistently reproducable.

  10. Passing thoughts by ashtophoenix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What would suck is if someone's passing thought would unlock your door! With all those random thoughts in the atmosphere...

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  11. OH NO THEY WON'T!!!!! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Funny
    mind-reading computers will one day replace typed passwords,

    They'll have to crowbar my tinfoil helmet from my cold dead head first!!!!

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  12. Your rights online?????? by technoextreme · · Score: 2, Informative

    Did someone just skim the article and think that someone thought you can read your thoughts?? Did someone instantl think of 1984?? That's not what they are suggesting. It's just a gage to the reaction to certain stimuli like how people react to the color red. Aparently everyone's reaction is different.

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    1. Re:Your rights online?????? by geobeck · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...Aparently everyone's reaction is different.

      But, as this Slashdot discussion proves once again, everyone's overreaction is the same.

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  13. what if you're hit by a bus by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This "thought password" is just another biometric, except one which even the actual owner can't be certain he can reproduce at will. If a sensor can non-invasively read your brain activity to open the door, then another sensor can non-invasively read your brain activity to try to reproduce the signature by fraud. It may or may not turn out to be easy to train a bunch of random lab biomass to reproduce a particular "thought." Lastly, a password is something that can be lent to authorized parties or bequeathed when you're no longer around. A biometric in general cannot. In some circumstances, this can be a good thing or a problem. A lawyer or boss can be the "executor" in your absense, but some situations are best when there is no proxy or executor middleman.

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    1. Re:what if you're hit by a bus by utlemming · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I am wonder is how this will affect people with neurological disorders that affect brain patterns like epilespy? I know an epileptic that has aura's all the time and she gets dizzy. Her EEG's during those dizzy periods are not normal minutes to hours before a siezure. And bipolar disorders? Sure you can think the password, but if your brain isn't stable all the time how can thinking a password match 100% of the time? What if you change medications? Some migraine medicanes are epilespy drugs and they act on receptor sites that can cause cognitive problems. Parkinsons patients have the same issues. Some of the anti-anxiety drugs are vallium derivative. Do those change the brain patterns? Even more interesting is if someone has an injury and is put on narcotics? Does that mean that the person will be locked out of their computer? And how would anti-depresants like SSRI's affect brain patterns? With the high number of people on them it could cause some issues.

      With out knowing all the answers, I would argue that medical issues will be the killer. Realiability would be a huge problem. Unlike other biometerics which have a low probability of changing, I think that brain patterns would be far too unpredictable for wide-spread deployment.

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  14. Yeah! by gfilion · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mine will be Natalie Portman, naked and petrified.

    Sweet!

  15. The biggest problem with biometrics is ... by El+Cubano · · Score: 2, Informative

    that once the digital representation is compromised, it is not possible to generate a new biometric. AIUI, every biometric device translates the chosen bioetric into some digital representation (after all, everything is just 1's and 0's to a computer). If this is compromissed, you are sunk. I suppose that precautions, like salting and other things to prevent a replay attack, could help. But in the end, if my passowrd is compromised, I can set a new one. If my eyeball's digital representation is compromised, then I can't generate a new eyeball.

  16. Re:summary of article, not likely to happen by david.given · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There's going to be a lot of people having a bad hair day. For once, being bald holds an advantage.

    From Arthur C Clarke's future history:

    2025 Neurological research finally leads to an understanding of all the senses, and direct inputs become possible, bypassing eyes, ears, skin, etc. The inevitable result is the metal "Braincap" of which the 20th century's Walkman was a primitive precursor. Anyone wearing this helmet, fitting tightly over the skull, can enter a whole universe of experience real or imaginary - and even merge in real-time with other minds. Apart from its use for entertainment and vicarious adventure, the Braincap is a boon to doctors, who can now experience their patients symptoms (suitably attenuated). It also revolutionizes the legal profession; deliberate lying is impossible. As the Braincap can only function properly on a completely bald head, wig-making becomes a major industry.
  17. I couldn't help it. It just popped IN there. by awing0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gozer: The Choice is made!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Whoa! Ho! Ho! Whoa-oa!
    Gozer: The Traveller has come!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Nobody choosed anything!
    [turns to Egon]
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Did YOU choose anything?
    Dr. Egon Spengler: No.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: [to Winston] Did YOU?
    Winston Zeddemore: My mind is totally blank.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: I didn't choose anything.
    [long pause, Peter, Egon and Winston all look at Ray]
    Dr Ray Stantz: I couldn't help it. It just popped IN there.
    Dr. Peter Venkman: [angrily] What? What just popped in there?
    Dr Ray Stantz: I... I... I tried to think...
    Dr. Egon Spengler: LOOK!
    [they all look over one side of the roof]
    Dr Ray Stantz: No! It CAN'T be!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: What is it?
    Dr Ray Stantz: It CAN'T be!
    Dr. Peter Venkman: What did you do, Ray?
    Winston Zeddemore: Oh, shit!
    [they all see a giant cubic white head topped with a sailor hat, Peter looks at Ray]
    Dr Ray Stantz: [somberly] It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

    --From the IMDB.

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  18. another thought by venicebeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to retrieve identity from the human brain, a structural scan will do much better than a functional scan. The pattern of folds and grooves in the cortex is highly individualized, and relatively static. Functional activity is much more dynamic and inconsistent over time. I can, for example, recognize my own brain fairly easily because I have an unusual shape to my precentral sulcus on the left side.

  19. Re:Here's what I think of this approach by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, but did you consider the following:
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  20. I anticipate a conflict... by McBainLives · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...between my thought password and the parental controls I'll have in place to keep nieces and nephews from using Uncle Glas' computer for immoral purposes. Probably never be able to get into the bloody thing again.

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  21. Your thoughts betray you.... by dfn5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your password is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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  22. So a password sniffer would be... by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 2, Funny

    like this:
    Pardon ma'am, whatever you do dont look at this red light and think of your password.

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  23. This thing would get men in deep shit by crovira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    every fifteen seconds and eventually, you see the actual object of your desire; after she's out on thirty pounds, sagging from a brace of kids, and fifteen years older.

    You'd never be able to to get rid of the 'reality overlaid onto memory' and your pass 'thought' would simply stop working.

    I'm sure I rather have the computer look at my finger prints or, for more secure applications, look me in the eye.

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  24. Tech Support by Hard_Code · · Score: 2, Funny

    This brings a whole new meaning to: "can you reset my password?"

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  25. There's a catch, of course... by quinby · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...you must think in Russian.

  26. friends... by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Friends don't let friends send email drunk.

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