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Web 2.0 Goes To Work

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the about-time-you-started-pulling-your-weight dept.

An anonymous reader writes "News.com is reporting on analyst predictions that Web 2.0 has begun meeting up with enterprise software in the business world." From the article: "Buttoned-down IBM, which mainly sells to businesses, on Wednesday detailed QEDwiki, for example. The project is meant to let people assemble Web applications using wikis, really simple syndication (RSS) and simple Web scripting. Similarly, the grassroots direct-marketing techniques of the consumer world are starting to be used to tout enterprise software, analysts said. The enterprise software market, once the hotbed of innovation, is starting to catch up to the consumer Web, where people are becoming used to melding data from their desktop with services online. It's a shift that could shake up the traditional enterprise-software model, experts predicted. "

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  1. Risk Managment by RunFatBoy.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The enterprise will always be behind for the simple fact that any new sort of technology assumes a certain amount of risk and that risk is most apparent when that technology is new.

    Even something as straight forward as a wiki will be seen as a risk. When wiki's were first being utilized, I'm sure every PHB out there was asking the statement, "There's no way we can trust our customers to provide documentation, at least not without some sort of oversight by us!"

    Jim http://www.runfatboy.net/ -- Exercise for web 2.0.

    1. Re:Risk Managment by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From the article: However, Smith said that a lot of Web 2.0 software still has serious technical pitfalls, like security, which should worry corporate customers. "If I'm mixing AJAX and wiki technology, I'm really creating a hacker's paradise," Smith said.

      And that right there is the risk a lot of IT managers will not be willing to take, until these technologies can prove they are robust enough and secure enough to keep someone from gaining easy access to their systems. Companies spend vast amounts of time building defenses and aren't about to hand out the keys to the back door if they can help it.

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  2. Already released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought Web 2.0 was still in beta.

  3. Ugh by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For example, Web 2.0 technologies such as blogs and AJAX are starting to show their potential behind corporate firewalls, analysts said.

    Ugh. If you are going to use a buzz word, at least try to use in the right way. I keep a blog and there is nothing 2.0 (collaborative) about it.

    -Grey

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    1. Re:Ugh by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Informative

      AJAX means AJAX. Web 2.0 mean collaboration: "Web 2.0 generally refers to a second generation of services available on the World Wide Web that lets people collaborate and share information online." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2)

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    2. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the linked Wikipedia article:
      "The term may include blogs and wikis."

      Not for long.

      brb

    3. Re:Ugh by c4seyj0nes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I keep a blog and there is nothing 2.0 (collaborative) about it.

      Funny that link at the bottom of your blog looks collaborative: "Leave a comment".

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  4. What's changed? by Marlow+the+Irelander · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a shift that could shake up the traditional enterprise-software model, experts predicted

    When haven't they predicted this?

  5. Did I miss the boat here? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All I read about Web 2.0 is that it's a bubble, a new name for already working technologies... but with all this new publicity I ended up knowing nothing.

    Can anybody tell me WTF Web 2.0 is (supposed to be)?

    1. Re:Did I miss the boat here? by nuzak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > Can anybody tell me WTF Web 2.0 is (supposed to be)?

      Unabashed, unvarnished hype. Anything new-and-cool.

      I think XMLHttpRequest is pretty neat, I'm rather fond of AJAX, but Web 2.0 just makes my knee jerk so hard I want to turn it into a snap-kick at anyone plugging it.

      It's starry-eyed technology evangalists.

      It's the new bandwagon.

      It's social networking, and the new dot-com bubble. Myspace sold for 580 million, possibly it could pull that. Facebook thinks itself worth two billion. That's with a B. The tulipmania hasn't gone so far as to find anyone insane enough to take that price though.

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    2. Re:Did I miss the boat here? by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wikipedia can.

      And it's not a bubble. It's a conglomerate of technologies. Each will stick around. It's the corporate hype that's the bubble.

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  6. Pageflakes anyone? by LibertineR · · Score: 3, Informative

    I hate the Web 2.0 hype as much as anyone, but if you havent checked out Pageflakes at www.pageflakes.com, you dont know what Web 2.0 is, or can be. Very cool implementation (no, I dont work for them, or know anyone who works with them) and some of their stuff was done with .NET. Go figure?

    1. Re:Pageflakes anyone? by scwizard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Has anyone looked at their error console after loading this site. Console2 for FF gave me 72 warning and errors for javascript + css (a lot of them were relating to it trying to change my cursor...)

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  7. I dont know... by j3one · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No matter what technology is employed, people are once again realising that the online world is the place to be. So people want money right? Right. And if you can think of somthing first and make it work first, you could end up with a giant pay out + fame and fourtune right? Ok, maybe.

    So, while we may be anoyed with all the buzzwords and hype, realise that the world is moving forward with 2.0 so quit whining, and get out there and develop stuff so we dont have to live with what IMB thinks is web 2.0

  8. Coming soon: by crerwin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Web 2.0 Goes to Camp
    Web 2.0 Goes to Jail

  9. Get a clue by LibertineR · · Score: 5, Funny
    How many AJAX sites do you expect to work right if you DISABLE JAVASCRIPT?!?!?!?

    Shit, did you go to DeVry or something?

    1. Re:Get a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really. We run a rather large website, and the amount of our visitors that don't have js enabled is smaller than visitors using browsers pre-v4.

      The website still works, but it's not quite the same... Not "optimal" at all. The only real reason why we make sure it still works without it is for the people using TTS and such (blind or otherwise).

      As for the paranoid that think javascript is evil, will hack their PC and install spyware and all that, then too bad, they can go elsewhere.

      Honestly, >95% of the websites nowadays make use of js, and quite often for very good and valid reasons. Things like onchange validation of forms (saves you a postback or more to know that something's wrong). The errors will still be caught server-side and displayed, but you're only making your life harder for nothing. js is used extremely often for things like this. We also use it a lot for things like FCKEditor or FreeTextBox and other such very nice components that make it much better (otherwise you can have the crappy plain text version and lesser components).

      If you want to use noscript on our pages, too bad. You're the one that's missing out (big time- especially that we're adding more async goodies that truly rock to our apps). Don't like it? You can go elsewhere, we truly don't mind (like, all 3 of you).

      You say you don't trust the scripts (or scripters). That's borderline paranoia. What exactly do you think will happen? It'll make your PC crash, hack your bank, and your wife and dog will leave you? It's quite harmless really. The chances of something "bad" being done with it a very, very remote, and extremely minimal chance, while it's being very very useful daily on tons of sites (and increasingly). Next thing you'll be stripping html tags too, just in case it could be used for some buffer overflow or whatever... Rendering 99.99% of the web useless, while saying "I don't trust markup or people that write markup"... How silly.

  10. web2.0 business apps by steveb3210 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work at a small financial services company and we're currently replacing the in-house contact management system that was written in Access/VB. Our new replacemenet is in Ruby On Rails /w an interface that mimics that of a real operating system. Views all of edit tags taht spring up boxen that can be moved around like real windows, edit you data, hit save, ajax updates all the fields on the view page all your dialog box closes. To the users, its quick and mimcs the interface their used to while completely negating the problems of being tied to the office/VPN/db connections/ODBC connections, etc.

    This is the revolution.

  11. Daisy by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny
    so we dont have to live with what IMB thinks is web 2.0

    IMB. Is that like HLA?

  12. Web 2.0 == multiple cooperating web servers? by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My impression of Web 2.0 is that no single web site has to engineer every one of its part, nor there must be a hardwired master-slave anymore. A travel site might get its presentation services from google-maps, its hotel list from Sabre, financial transactions from citibank, and so-on. There will be all these services sitting around- presentation, search, news, banking, streaming video, etc., etc. which can be easily glued with utilities like xml, AJAX, etc.