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On The BBC 2.0

novus ordo writes "BBC has been exploring the 'Web 2.0' approach in its future plans 'to keep the BBC relevant in the digital age.' They have also put an experimental catalogue online. 'This will allow you to find out about any of the one million programmes that the BBC holds in its archive, going right back to 1937. It's a window onto an amazing cultural and national resource.' They have also opened up a competition to completely redesign its home page."

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  1. great resource, but incomplete by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Funny

    No search results found for
    blake's 7

    No search results found for
    q

    No search results found for
    crystal tips and alistair

    etc.

    But hey, they have a great disclaimer :

    The catalogue is not comprehensive. It does not contain an entry for every programme broadcast by the BBC on TV and Radio since the 1920s. The main exclusions are sport, feature films, other non-BBC copyright programmes (e.g. TV series imported from the USA), some regional programming and programmes which do not exist.

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    1. Re:great resource, but incomplete by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The search apparently screws up with one letter terms (Just a Minute returns no results but Just Minute does for example), and Blake's 7 is under Blake's Seven for some reason anyway, and the Q series are under the umbrella series of "Spike Milligan", with the episodes as Q5 / Q6 / etc. I'd guess it probably makes more sense if you work in the BBC archives and are used to the various qwirks of the database.

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    2. Re:great resource, but incomplete by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      The show is called "BLAKES 7"

      As other parts of the BBC correctly tell you

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/blakes7/

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    3. Re:great resource, but incomplete by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 4, Informative

      programmes which do not exist

      This notice is because some programs (such as Dad's Army) have had tapes written over/destroyed because of previous BBC policy.

  2. Re:Staying Relevant by quiffhanger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've got the remember, America as a country if far more right wing than the UK (particularly the popular media). Consequently a "centrist" POV for Brits looks right wing in the US. Personally I think Auntie has a fairly NPOV but I would, being a "left wing" (for the US) uk citizen. -ross

  3. Re:Staying Relevant by masklinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who cares about your right-wing-american-nutjob sensibilities? BBC is not even left wing by european standards, and 5 billion people are anti-americans.

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  4. Re:huh? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're outside the UK it won't let you see most things. And if it did, they'd be in realplayer format (don't install realplayer - it's crap).

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  5. Re:Staying Relevant by masklinn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Consequently a "centrist" POV for Brits looks right wing in the US.

    You meant "left wing" (prob. a typo), other than that this remark is true all over europe. In most european countries, Democrats would well be the right wing and Republicans would be the far right.

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  6. Re:Staying Relevant by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

    . . .5 billion people are anti-americans.

    Why that's. . .that's, well, UnAmerican, that's what that is.

    KFG

  7. competition rules by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Funny
    "They have also opened up a competition to completely redesign its home page."

    The catch is that they want it to have the same color scheme, font, icons, and certain design elements from the Slashdot home page.

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  8. Re:Staying Relevant by spectrumCoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I shall further this informed and relevant debate thus...

    I think Fox needs to first get rid its right wing, anti-Europe bias if it wants to be relevant in the digital age. That would be the first thing that needs to be changed.

    In this age of left-leaning blogs that can monitor Fox's biases, people will realize how much of an agenda they have.

  9. There's also the RadioListings web site by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Although the catalogue is a great source of data it needs interpretation, and that's where sites like mine - http://www.radiolistings.co.uk/ - come in.

    I take the data the BBC (and other stations) list, edit it it for readability, and include things like series and episode numbers - things that are essential for any collectors.

    Yes, this is a blatent plug for my site.

  10. The BBC's Website by spectrumCoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first and possibly only thing they should change about the BBC home page is the fact that it's designed to be viewed at a resolution of 800x600. Surely a company as big as the BBC is capable of producing a web site that utilizes all of the screen space available in a browser window?

    1. Re:The BBC's Website by iangoldby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know I really shouldn't rise to the bait, but the original poster did say "a web site that utilizes all of the screen space available in a browser window". That doesn't mean bigger than 800x600 or smaller than 800x600. It means fully using all of the space available - whatever the size may be. Something like a liquid layout.

    2. Re:The BBC's Website by robthebob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just to play Devil's Advocate here (I'm at 1600x1200), firstly as pointed out by other replies a lot of people don't have screens that are that huge. Secondly, the BBC website is designed to adhere to certain standards of readability, and this involves presenting information in a primarily vertical fashion. People tend to lose track of text that flows over more than around 60 characters per line (cf Latex).

    3. Re:The BBC's Website by robthebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, I'd be surprised if anyone was running below 1024, "huge" was referring to our kind of screen sizes, which really are the exception rather than the norm. I think my second point still stands.

    4. Re:The BBC's Website by snarlydwarf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, my browser window is almost always less than 1024....

      But then, I see very little reason to make windows take up the whole screen.... I usually have 2 or 3 that i'm watching in the background and I want some of them visible.

      This is why static sized pages of any sort suck. Fix a narrow column or two, let the browser size the rest based on how much is left. It's not that hard.

  11. Re:Is it Just me.... by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 3, Informative

    You know the BBC is not a standard US 'for-profit' corporate - right?

    Check out their 'about us' stuff.

    The BBC is financed by a TV licence paid by households. It does not have to serve the interests of advertisers, or produce a return for shareholders. This means it can concentrate on providing high quality programmes and services for everyone, many of which would not otherwise be supported by subscription or advertising.
  12. Re:Is it Just me.... by wfberg · · Score: 2, Informative


    Its becoming more and more common for legitimate companies to start a "competition" for one thing or another, its one thing for an FOSS project to hold these competitions or events, but for a "for profit" to hold these competitions seems like either lazyiness (their web developer doesn't want to) or incompetitance (their web developer isn't able to) I mean, honestly, just hire someone to do it


    No, it's what we like to call "just a marketing gimmick". In fact, they even address any "ripping off" or "freeloading" concerns on the blog right there. They'll be using any winning design for one day only, as you'd expect from a marketing gimmick.

    Also, the BBC isn't a "for profit". It's a corporation founded by royal charter, funded directly by the public via a "TV license fee". While it does own several for-profit entities (such as BBC America), the corporation itself is a non-profit.

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  13. Re:Xmltv of tv and radio programmes by Neeex · · Score: 2, Informative
    They do, via the Radio Times (which is a BBC service/publication).

    See here for more details.

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  14. Re:huh? by Stalks · · Score: 3, Informative
    And if it did, they'd be in realplayer format (don't install realplayer - it's crap).

    So install Real Alternative instead.

  15. BBC on /.'s revamp? by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Informative

    An interesting point from the BBC "Reboot" Q&A considering /.'s recent webpage redesign contest:

    [...]To kick-off, jay left the following comment on the blog: "What you are really asking for is numerous submissions of what is in essence a $million rebranding. Not a bad exchange for an apple laptop."

    I think it's worth pointing out from the very beginning that we are not asking people to provide million £ rebranding for us. Indeed we are NOT going to use or commission any designs for the final front page. Yes, we will turn the winning design into the homepage for a day - but that's as a prize and as recognition for the winning producer's efforts (and if they really don't want us to, then we won't).

    I would completely agree with jay that we would be ripping people off if we were going to turn entries submitted into the final homepage design. But that's not the objective of this competition.

  16. Re:Xmltv of tv and radio programmes by pldms · · Score: 5, Informative

    The BBC provides extensive listings for all channels, covering one week, in the tv-anytime xml format. It's updated every morning.

    7 Day Listings

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  17. Online archive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The French institute called INA (institut national de l'audiovisuel) has opened online archives, with free video and audio content (you can also pay for high quality versions).

    It's available here : http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php

  18. In Sweden as well... by isecore · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Swedish government-owned TV networks are exploring similar options. SVT (as they're called, sorry, not sure if their site is available in Anglosaxon) are working on making available all of their archives over the internet.

    A small(ish) selection of the historical archives is available, and shows are available online up to a week after having been aired - but the plan is that one day all of the archives will be indexed and digitized and viewable over the intarweb. There's also rumors that this will be completely free for everyone who lives in the country and pays the state-imposed TV-license.

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  19. Re:huh? by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Informative

    who'd install `real crap` on their unix machine anyway ?

    Given the quality of RealPlayer for Linux (basically just HelixPlayer packaged with proprietary codecs) I certainly would. I seen the Windows RealPlayer, so I certainly understand your reservations... but HelixPlayer and RealPlayer are remarkably simple clean multimedia players. Well worth the effort.

    Jedidiah.

  20. Re:I looked for the Churchill speech by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the front page of the linked site:

    DOES NOT INCLUDE:
    Anything to listen to or watch... Sorry, but the programmes themselves are not available.
    That would probably be why. Hopefully they will appear soon, since the BBC's charter does make it clear that it is their duty to get their content to as wide an audience within the UK as possible.
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  21. simple math? by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He might be referring to simple math.

    5B = earth_population - Golden Billion

    I have no comments on the reasons for this.

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  22. Re:Staying Relevant by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anti-US bias? You are confusing bias with factual reporting. It's something you might not get on Fox News.

    I've never seen anyone accuse the BBC of anti-american bias before; probably because the idea is so incredibly stupid. The only real case of a reasonable case for poor quality reporting in the past two decades was "Campbell Dossier", and this wasn't related to America in any real sense.

    If there really was any real accusation of anti-american bias, there would have been some kind of report or media discussion. There hasn't been; you're just sounding off because you don't like the coverage.

  23. Re:Moderation Abuse by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you considered that perhaps the moderation was not for the insults, but for the points they raised? Thought not.

  24. Re:Staying Relevant by Gibsnag · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well... At least the BBC represents the British public even if our government won't.

  25. bbc 2.0 = snookr snookr snookr by Bazman · · Score: 2, Funny

    And it will look like this...

    yes, its the world championship snooker at the moment, so BBC2 stops everything for green baize action...

  26. Re:Staying Relevant by Millenniumman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if it has a very slight right wing bias, how is Fox News anti-Europe? Because it occasionally hints at not being showing complete opposition to the President?

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  27. Re:Is it Just me.... by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disclaimer: I am British, living in Belgium and get the Beeb over cable here.

    Probably the biggest benefit is that lack of adverts - it also helps in keeping the other channels amount of ADs down too.

    The best programmes (shows) that come out of the BBC have to be their natural history and documentaries - some of the National Geographic stuff is in this calibre I must admit. I don't hold the Beeb up on a pedestal though, but consider the standard to be perhaps a little higher .-)

  28. Re:Staying Relevant by mrdaveb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you think a randomly selected cross-section of people is showing a political bias.... you might want to re-align your political spectrum or something

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  29. Re:Staying Relevant by CountBrass · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Good lord, if you're an example of the product of the American Education system then God help us.

    Anti-American means they don't like you. And there are more people in the world than just those living in the US.

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  30. Re:Staying Relevant by CountBrass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sorry but you're wrong. People are anti-American because they don't like the way the arrogant and imperialistic way in which the USA behaves, doubly so under George "the moron" Bush.

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  31. Re:Staying Relevant by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And half of them are left-wing newspapers complaining of right-wing bias and the other haf are right-wing newspapers complaining of left-wing bias.

    Oh and then there's the Sun, owned by one of the BBC's competitiors (Sky), that just complains because their boss tells them to.

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  32. Re:Staying Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's an investigation of one specific incident and also hardly one that could be called "anti-Semitic" (and definitely not "anti-semetic"). A number of people thought Arafat stood the best chances of negotiating peace with Israel (a far stretch in my opinion), because he had so much loyalty within the Palestinian population. For much of Palestinian history he was the country's biggest political figure, and therefore was seen to represent the struggle for sovereignty, flaws and all. To say that it's anti-Semitic to cry for him is to insult victims of actual anti-Semitism. -A Jew

    One of the ironies involved here is that the Palestinians actually are Semitic (and speak a Semitic language), whereas the majority of Israelis are not.
    Then there's the quite deliberate confusing of Zionism with Judeism. Even though plenty of Zionists (and supporters) don't even claim to be Jewism, even including a "Jew Haters" (the odd few "Jew hating Jews" too), many Jews are rather indifferent to the whole idea of Zionism and some of it's strongest critics (including those who claim that it is impossible for someone to be both Jewish and a Zionist) are Othodox Rabbi...

  33. Re:Staying Relevant by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being pro-Palestine or simply against Israeli occupation doesn't make one 'anti-semitic'. Even ignoring the fact that Arabs are also semites, there are Jews (and even Israeli Jews) who are also against the occupation. Opposing Zionism and the state of Israel does not mean one hates Jews. In fact, the only reason Israel was established was because the British and U.S. government didn't want an influx of Jewish refugees after WWII. So the creation of the state of Israel is more anti-semetic than opposing its existence.

    And simply being critical of U.S. policies does not make one anti-American or biased. Otherwise you may as well say that the entire world has an 'anti-American' bias. Have you ever considered that maybe you (and your prefered news sources) just have a pro-Bush administration bias?

    Lastly, I rather think it's a good thing that BBC journalists aren't expected to conform to what American news outlets consider to be a 'centrist' point of view. Unlike in the U.S., the media is not strictly controlled by conservative elements in the U.K., and similarly, the BBC does not only present the Israel-Palestine issue from the perspective of Israel as American news outlets have a habit of doing. Perhaps you'd like to see reporters be fired just because they may have a different perspective than yours, but the rest of us like to be able to see all sides of the story.

  34. Re:Staying Relevant by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the BBC needs to first get rid its left wing, anti-US bias if it wants to be relevant in the digital age.

    Rubbish.

    Firstly, you're trolling. "you have to be right-wing in order to be relevant" ? WTF, get a life, go back under that bridge, troll, etc.

    Secondly, the BBC is paid for by the citizens on the UK via the TV licence tax. It is not even directly controlled or financed by the UK government via tax budgets, but via the licence fee. If Americans don't like what it says, that is largely thier problem, not the BBCs problem, and not the citizens of the UK's problem.

    Thirdly, the BBC does a stand-up job of reporting news, far better than, say, Fox or CNN. If anything, they were to easy on the US and UK goverments during the whole "Iraq has weapons of mas destruction" fiasco.

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