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On The BBC 2.0
novus ordo writes "BBC has been exploring the 'Web 2.0' approach in its future plans 'to keep the BBC relevant in the digital age.' They have also put an experimental catalogue online. 'This will allow you to find out about any of the one million programmes that the BBC holds in its archive, going right back to 1937. It's a window onto an amazing cultural and national resource.' They have also opened up a competition to completely redesign its home page."
No search results found for
blake's 7
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crystal tips and alistair
etc.
But hey, they have a great disclaimer :
The catalogue is not comprehensive. It does not contain an entry for every programme broadcast by the BBC on TV and Radio since the 1920s. The main exclusions are sport, feature films, other non-BBC copyright programmes (e.g. TV series imported from the USA), some regional programming and programmes which do not exist.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
You've got the remember, America as a country if far more right wing than the UK (particularly the popular media). Consequently a "centrist" POV for Brits looks right wing in the US. Personally I think Auntie has a fairly NPOV but I would, being a "left wing" (for the US) uk citizen. -ross
Who cares about your right-wing-american-nutjob sensibilities? BBC is not even left wing by european standards, and 5 billion people are anti-americans.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
If you're outside the UK it won't let you see most things. And if it did, they'd be in realplayer format (don't install realplayer - it's crap).
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
You meant "left wing" (prob. a typo), other than that this remark is true all over europe. In most european countries, Democrats would well be the right wing and Republicans would be the far right.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
. . .5 billion people are anti-americans.
.that's, well, UnAmerican, that's what that is.
Why that's. .
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Yep, left wing, sorry.
The catch is that they want it to have the same color scheme, font, icons, and certain design elements from the Slashdot home page.
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I shall further this informed and relevant debate thus...
I think Fox needs to first get rid its right wing, anti-Europe bias if it wants to be relevant in the digital age. That would be the first thing that needs to be changed.
In this age of left-leaning blogs that can monitor Fox's biases, people will realize how much of an agenda they have.
A thing I really think they should do 'to keep the BBC relevant in the digital age.' is to make xmltvfiles of all their tv and radio programme info. This would make them very useful for a lot of people, and sure wouldn't be very hard.
I suspect you know, since you used quotes around "for profit", but the BBC isn't run for profit, it's a public service. Personally, I would feel a bit disappointed if my licence fee was used to pay an extortionate amount of money to a 'designer' for a new look. If this competition does result in a better BBC website, then it will have been cheap and tha can only be a good thing IMHO.
All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand.
Although the catalogue is a great source of data it needs interpretation, and that's where sites like mine - http://www.radiolistings.co.uk/ - come in.
I take the data the BBC (and other stations) list, edit it it for readability, and include things like series and episode numbers - things that are essential for any collectors.
Yes, this is a blatent plug for my site.
The first and possibly only thing they should change about the BBC home page is the fact that it's designed to be viewed at a resolution of 800x600. Surely a company as big as the BBC is capable of producing a web site that utilizes all of the screen space available in a browser window?
You know the BBC is not a standard US 'for-profit' corporate - right?
Check out their 'about us' stuff.
Its becoming more and more common for legitimate companies to start a "competition" for one thing or another, its one thing for an FOSS project to hold these competitions or events, but for a "for profit" to hold these competitions seems like either lazyiness (their web developer doesn't want to) or incompetitance (their web developer isn't able to) I mean, honestly, just hire someone to do it
No, it's what we like to call "just a marketing gimmick". In fact, they even address any "ripping off" or "freeloading" concerns on the blog right there. They'll be using any winning design for one day only, as you'd expect from a marketing gimmick.
Also, the BBC isn't a "for profit". It's a corporation founded by royal charter, funded directly by the public via a "TV license fee". While it does own several for-profit entities (such as BBC America), the corporation itself is a non-profit.
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So install Real Alternative instead.
An interesting point from the BBC "Reboot" Q&A considering /.'s recent webpage redesign contest:
Digital Citizen
You didn't read the contest page, did you? They will hire (or have already hired) proper web developers to build the new site. The competition most likely serves to get them some input on what the users would like to see. The winning entry will only be turned into the homepage for a (that is, one) day.
Hell is not other people; it is yourself. - Ludwig Wittgenstein
The French institute called INA (institut national de l'audiovisuel) has opened online archives, with free video and audio content (you can also pay for high quality versions).
It's available here : http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php
on linux mplayer still plays it with the correct codecs.
who'd install `real crap` on their unix machine anyway ?
i'd like bbc on my pc, i could even pay the bbc the 'tv tax' to watch it outside the uk. they have a nice program and they have more independent news than the channels that start with F or C.
gl bbc
I'd tell you the chances of this story being a dupe, but you wouldn't like it.
While there's not media content, there's a lot of useful info and a huge quantity of data for those of us in the US who only get to find out snippets about what our favorite actors/comics have been up to in the UK.
:-)
Actually, it'll probably help me understand quite a few of the pop culture jokes in Vicar of Dibley.
Jory
The Swedish government-owned TV networks are exploring similar options. SVT (as they're called, sorry, not sure if their site is available in Anglosaxon) are working on making available all of their archives over the internet.
A small(ish) selection of the historical archives is available, and shows are available online up to a week after having been aired - but the plan is that one day all of the archives will be indexed and digitized and viewable over the intarweb. There's also rumors that this will be completely free for everyone who lives in the country and pays the state-imposed TV-license.
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5 billion people are anti-americans
That's rather amazing, there isn't even 300,000,000 people in the US yet 5 BILLION people are anti-americans, do you mean 5 billion hate america or do you mean that there are 5 billion people that are anti-american (aka, Americans that hate america)? cause that's some funky math going on there.
who'd install `real crap` on their unix machine anyway ?
Given the quality of RealPlayer for Linux (basically just HelixPlayer packaged with proprietary codecs) I certainly would. I seen the Windows RealPlayer, so I certainly understand your reservations... but HelixPlayer and RealPlayer are remarkably simple clean multimedia players. Well worth the effort.
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Nice job mods. Calling someone a right-wing nutjob is "insightful" while calling the BBC biased is a "troll".
Obviously, name-calling is only acceptable when you do it to conservatives. The moderation buse is too glaring in this case.
He might be referring to simple math.
5B = earth_population - Golden Billion
I have no comments on the reasons for this.
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No, he/she is not a nutjob. Even the BBC's internal investigations have acknowledged that there is some left wing bias mostly in the form of anti-ameican and anti-semetic bias at the BBC. Read this article if you want to see an example of one such investigation.
if you dont feel like clicking the link, here is he meat:
THE BBC Governors have upheld a complaint against a radio reporter who wept as dying Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat departed the West Bank.
The corporation's head of editorial complaints initially cleared From Our Own Correspondent journalist Barbara Plett of bias.But a listener appealed and yesterday the Governors' Programme Complaints Committee overturned that ruling
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
It really is experimental, all it does is give the tv listings for the programme, a bit like an old newspaper on the bottom of a drawer. I was hoping they'd put "The Computer Programme" online, so I could look at those hulking great modems with the suckers for the earpiece and receiver.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out. I remain hopeful, however, that they will eventually include the actual footage/recordings. Indeed, I will never surrender, whatever the cost may be. (unless it goes over £1/speech)
Well, I doubt the archive will appear on the catalouge, seeing as it's basically a front end to the BBC archive's internal database. It's basically a very bid index.
I suppose stuff like the iMP could have archive programming however, but there may be rights issues preventing stuff to appear, plus putting the entire archive online would probably be rather unfeasible from a time and money perspective.
I think the BBC is also supposed to make money from stuff like DVDs as well. It's all rather confusing and contradictory...
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This is descending into total OT-ness, but since the above got modded up... That's an investigation of one specific incident and also hardly one that could be called "anti-Semitic" (and definitely not "anti-semetic"). A number of people thought Arafat stood the best chances of negotiating peace with Israel (a far stretch in my opinion), because he had so much loyalty within the Palestinian population. For much of Palestinian history he was the country's biggest political figure, and therefore was seen to represent the struggle for sovereignty, flaws and all. To say that it's anti-Semitic to cry for him is to insult victims of actual anti-Semitism. -A Jew
But a search for doctor who only found *nine* items. Which is a bit shit really.
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Anti-US bias? You are confusing bias with factual reporting. It's something you might not get on Fox News.
I've never seen anyone accuse the BBC of anti-american bias before; probably because the idea is so incredibly stupid. The only real case of a reasonable case for poor quality reporting in the past two decades was "Campbell Dossier", and this wasn't related to America in any real sense.
If there really was any real accusation of anti-american bias, there would have been some kind of report or media discussion. There hasn't been; you're just sounding off because you don't like the coverage.
Well... At least the BBC represents the British public even if our government won't.
Try Dr Who
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BBC is not even left wing by european standards
If Europe is "left-wing"... then it wouldn't really seem left-wing to them, would it?
If there really was any real accusation of anti-american bias, there would have been some kind of report or media discussion.
I suppose. Now where's those (reputable) reports and media discussions about Fox News? You know, the network that doesn't do "factual reporting?"
I would and have.
All other options, for embedded 'real' format content, seem to have issues of one sort or another.
Realplayer for linux just works.
And it will look like this...
yes, its the world championship snooker at the moment, so BBC2 stops everything for green baize action...
Good tip, that's a much better result. I guess google has made me lazy...
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Ah, yes... I take it you're referring to the two world wars?
Let's see... the U.S. got involved in WW1 because they were helping Europe out? Ah, no, they did so because those silly Germans used their U-boats to sink and seize U.S. commercial ships. Before that, the U.S. tried to stay the hell out of it.
Well then... the U.S. got involved in WW2 because they were helping Europe out? Ah, no, they did so because those silly Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Before that, the U.S. tried to stay the hell out of it.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of Europeans thank those who have fought in those wars, fighting side-by-side with their own countrymen - to this date, many nations hold remembrance days for those fallen, including special days for (among other) the Americans and Canadians (WW2). But don't kid yourself if you think the U.S. came in to save the day out of the good of their hearts or because other nations needed them to (though ultimately the U.S. troops helped beyond measure) - it did so because it was provoked.
(And of course the U.S. provoked japan with the embargos, etc. etc. - plenty of history books if you want to read about it)
Even if it has a very slight right wing bias, how is Fox News anti-Europe? Because it occasionally hints at not being showing complete opposition to the President?
Stupidity is like nuclear power, it can be used for good or evil. And you don't want to get any on you.
OT Question: Is the BBC's general programming of a higher quality than the US's, or am I just catching good shows? It amazes me with how much more than can do with less.
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Republicans would be the far right
I think much of Europe sees the Republicans as even further right than that..
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
Disclaimer: I am British, living in Belgium and get the Beeb over cable here.
.-)
Probably the biggest benefit is that lack of adverts - it also helps in keeping the other channels amount of ADs down too.
The best programmes (shows) that come out of the BBC have to be their natural history and documentaries - some of the National Geographic stuff is in this calibre I must admit. I don't hold the Beeb up on a pedestal though, but consider the standard to be perhaps a little higher
When you think a randomly selected cross-section of people is showing a political bias.... you might want to re-align your political spectrum or something
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" For much of Palestinian history he was the country's biggest political figure"
Considering palestine has never been a country he must not have been much of a leader. The west bank was part of jordan before israel invaded (you wont read that in the media) and "Palestinians" are just ordinary arabs.
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The war on terror is a war for peace
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I never go a week without seeing a new article about how bias the BBC is. I read about 4 different newspapers every day though. Maybe it's because you read The Mirror..
BBC Bias is certainly a very talked about issue.
6 million sites can't be wrong!
Not that I am doing a job selling the Beeb, but you should still be able to get BBC radio anywhere in the world. For news it would be the institution that is Radio4, although that isn't quite as unbiased now as it was pre-Hutton report.t ml. So the BBC will always lean, albeit only slightly, towards those who have the power to destroy it (currently T.Blair).
IMO the Beeb has always been slightly pro-government (whoever was in power at the time) after all the BBC does have a charter that is up for renewal soon http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/charter/charter.sh
A former editor of the Sun, Kelvin Mackenzie, always said that BBC stood for "Blair's Broadcasting Corporation", but then he was editor of the Sun, which doesn't deserve any respect and which is far more of a mouthpiece for New Labour.
Whenever I am away from the UK and watch BBC World I am reminded of just how good and balanced their news is. It's such a shame they are giving so many people the sack.
If this were really happening, what would you think?
Anti-American means they don't like you. And there are more people in the world than just those living in the US.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
I'm sorry but you're wrong. People are anti-American because they don't like the way the arrogant and imperialistic way in which the USA behaves, doubly so under George "the moron" Bush.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Oh and then there's the Sun, owned by one of the BBC's competitiors (Sky), that just complains because their boss tells them to.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
And half of them are left-wing newspapers complaining of right-wing bias and the other haf are right-wing newspapers complaining of left-wing bias.
There probably would be bias if some group wasn't complaining about bias.
That's an investigation of one specific incident and also hardly one that could be called "anti-Semitic" (and definitely not "anti-semetic"). A number of people thought Arafat stood the best chances of negotiating peace with Israel (a far stretch in my opinion), because he had so much loyalty within the Palestinian population. For much of Palestinian history he was the country's biggest political figure, and therefore was seen to represent the struggle for sovereignty, flaws and all. To say that it's anti-Semitic to cry for him is to insult victims of actual anti-Semitism. -A Jew
One of the ironies involved here is that the Palestinians actually are Semitic (and speak a Semitic language), whereas the majority of Israelis are not.
Then there's the quite deliberate confusing of Zionism with Judeism. Even though plenty of Zionists (and supporters) don't even claim to be Jewism, even including a "Jew Haters" (the odd few "Jew hating Jews" too), many Jews are rather indifferent to the whole idea of Zionism and some of it's strongest critics (including those who claim that it is impossible for someone to be both Jewish and a Zionist) are Othodox Rabbi...
I think Slashdot needs to first get rid its anti-Microsoft bias if it wants to be relevant in the digital age. That would be the first thing that needs to be changed. In this age of tech blogs that can monitor Slashdot's biases, people will realize how much of an agenda they have.
More than most of Europe, most of the world.
Well, you may have noticed that a search for '"bbc bias"' gives 68,000 results, compared with the `BBC` search that results in 401 million. Even if one were to include the 5.5 million results linked by you; it is a minority issue.
But let's be honest, google hits don't mean shit. There is no issue of BBC bias.
Being pro-Palestine or simply against Israeli occupation doesn't make one 'anti-semitic'. Even ignoring the fact that Arabs are also semites, there are Jews (and even Israeli Jews) who are also against the occupation. Opposing Zionism and the state of Israel does not mean one hates Jews. In fact, the only reason Israel was established was because the British and U.S. government didn't want an influx of Jewish refugees after WWII. So the creation of the state of Israel is more anti-semetic than opposing its existence.
And simply being critical of U.S. policies does not make one anti-American or biased. Otherwise you may as well say that the entire world has an 'anti-American' bias. Have you ever considered that maybe you (and your prefered news sources) just have a pro-Bush administration bias?
Lastly, I rather think it's a good thing that BBC journalists aren't expected to conform to what American news outlets consider to be a 'centrist' point of view. Unlike in the U.S., the media is not strictly controlled by conservative elements in the U.K., and similarly, the BBC does not only present the Israel-Palestine issue from the perspective of Israel as American news outlets have a habit of doing. Perhaps you'd like to see reporters be fired just because they may have a different perspective than yours, but the rest of us like to be able to see all sides of the story.
That's why he said "by european standards." Unlike, you, the GP understands that 'left-wing' and 'right-wing' are subjective terms that can only be used in relative comparisons. Calling Europe 'left-wing' is just stating that they are 'left-wing' by your standards--by their standards, you would also be 'right-wing' then.
Are perhaps you think that your point of view is the universally centrist point of view which all political attitudes should be measured against?
No, I'm more than willing to admit that I'm right-wing.
When you think slashdot moderators are a representative cross-section of people.... you might want to reduce the amount of time you spend online or something.
Slashdot moderators are slashdot readers. Yes, OK - Slashdot readers are possibly a bit of a freak-show, but it just seems a bit wierd to say "This group of people (which anyone is free to join and of which I am an equal member) is biased"
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I think the BBC needs to first get rid its left wing, anti-US bias if it wants to be relevant in the digital age.
Rubbish.
Firstly, you're trolling. "you have to be right-wing in order to be relevant" ? WTF, get a life, go back under that bridge, troll, etc.
Secondly, the BBC is paid for by the citizens on the UK via the TV licence tax. It is not even directly controlled or financed by the UK government via tax budgets, but via the licence fee. If Americans don't like what it says, that is largely thier problem, not the BBCs problem, and not the citizens of the UK's problem.
Thirdly, the BBC does a stand-up job of reporting news, far better than, say, Fox or CNN. If anything, they were to easy on the US and UK goverments during the whole "Iraq has weapons of mas destruction" fiasco.
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It may be free to join, but it is self-selected, not representative of the general population, and so will have different biases to the general population.
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