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Slashback: Walmart and Wiki, Alan Ralsky

Slashback, as always, provides updates and clarifications to previous Slashdot stories. Tonight we bring you updates on Australian Smart ID Cards, the security danger that USB memory sticks pose, Wal-Mart's Wikipedia War, Lego Mindstorms, LiveJournal's stance on Ad-Blocking software, and news about 'Spam King' Alan Ralsky. Read on for more. Update on Australian Smart ID Card. CaptainDefragged writes "According to an article at Australian IT News, the data from Smart Card that our government is introducing is going to be used for a lot more than just health care and welfare fraud prevention. From the article: 'Intelligence agencies and police will be given access to a vast database of biometric photographs of Australians to be created for the new health and welfare smart card to fight terrorism and more general crime. ASIO and the Federal Police will be allowed routine access to the smart card database on national security issues, while state police will have restricted access for general crime investigations.'"

USB sticks as a security threat. martijnd writes "The BBC follows up on the risks of USB sticks as a threat to business by looking at data theft and virus-spreading-as-from-a-floppy infiltration."

More On Wal-Mart's Wikipedia War. An anonymous reader writes "Past the media coverage of their article 'Wal-marts Wikipedia War', Whitedust has apparently received an interesting email from Mike Krempasky (representing Edelman Public Affairs in Washington, DC). While maintaining that Whitedust has no actual specific issue with Wal-Mart - the article was published on the simple premise that Wikepedia's important neutrality was apparently being compromised - and in the interests of a more balanced argument, Whitedust have published the email in full to their readership along with some other interesting notes."

Mindstorms NXT: Mindstorms Resurrected?. Since the announcement of Mindstorms NXT; many people believe that my earlier article was completely off target. My latest article, Mindstorms NXT: Mindstorms Resurrected?, attempts to complete the analysis. It concludes that Mindstorms NXT does not represent any change of direction for Lego; and unless forced by competition to act otherwise, Lego will continue to market Mindstorms as a niche product line."

Spam King Alan Ralsky NOT Jailed. narzy writes "DailyTech.com is reporting that contrary to reports last week, spam king Alan Ralsky was in fact not picked up by the Feds. Inquires put in to the DoJ and Detroit FBI field office resulted in puzzling dead ends as both agencies had no information as to having Mr. Ralsky in custody. Early Monday morning the original source recanted the story of Mr. Ralsky's arrest."

LiveJournal Explains Ban on Ad-Blocking Software. An anonymous user writes "LJ Founder, Brad Fitzpatrick, blames the change to the Terms of Service on boilerplate language put into the document by 'some lawyers'." From the article: "This is a pre-announcement that a more user-friendly TOS change is on its way. (After all, we can't even detect that you're even using ad blockers to begin with, so there's no point in us saying you can't. Plus you might not even have control over what's installed on your computer, etc.) So, yeah, sorry: we messed up."

119 comments

  1. Poor Mindstorms by heinousjay · · Score: 0, Troll

    Lego will continue to market Mindstorms as a niche product line.

    I can't imagine why. An expensive toy that appeals to a small percentage of the population should have the full marketing resources of the company behind it. That way, the board meetings can be a lot more exciting while everyone tries to figure out where all the money went.

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    1. Re:Poor Mindstorms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      An expensive toy that appeals to a small percentage of the population should have the full marketing resources of the company behind it.
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      No need to be redundant.

    2. Re:Poor Mindstorms by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I can't imagine why either. This new product is so clearly superior, and will probably also be easier to use (if for no other reason, than that it has servos) that I can't picture anyone buying any more mindstorms. Certainly I will not be purchasing any more mindstorms equipment, and I do currently have some (but I only have a couple of the blue RCXs, even, so it's not like I have a huge investment.)

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    3. Re:Poor Mindstorms by sbaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      The biggest problem with NXT for me is that they skimped on the memory. That thing really cries out for a decent amount of Flash memory.

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    4. Re:Poor Mindstorms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Textbook ownage.

    5. Re:Poor Mindstorms by rossifer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shortly after release, there will be a hack to add a secure digital card controller to the NXT. The card controllers can be wired into almost any standard flash memory circuit and cost about $5 each. Then you can throw a gig of flash on there for $30, or four gigs for $120 (don't know if it will be able to use all four gigs, though...)

      Regards,
      Ross

    6. Re:Poor Mindstorms by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Uh, 256kB is a decent amount of Flash. I can't imagine that regular customers of these sets will ever reach that limit.

      For comparison, the HP49G+ has a very similiar CPU and comes with only twice that amount (the HP48G only comes with 64kB and has nearly the same software), but includes a full-blown advanced symbolic manipulation and solving code library competing with Mathematica in some areas.

    7. Re:Poor Mindstorms by Pearson · · Score: 1

      I can't picture anyone buying any more mindstorms

      The NXT is a mindstorms kit. The entire line in fact. And blue RCXs? RCXs are yellow and black.

      As for the article, the guy obviously doesn't know anything about lego. Studless lego has been phased into the Technic line for years, and had nothing to do with the NXT. I think they are trying to compete better by moving away from overly blocky designs, and doing away with the studs is a big help in that area. IMHO, that is a mistake, because kids can't apply their years of experience in building regular LEGO kits to the Technic kits, which results in less free form play and less play over all. I personally had a hard time learning how to build using beams and pins instead of studs, and the frustration made playing with technic sets a pain instead of a joy.

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    8. Re:Poor Mindstorms by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Probably won't be able to handle even a gig, but that's no big deal. I can't see needing more than 128MB or so, since it's got limited writes. (If you could use a hard disk or something, you might use it to cache data... but then, all of that is probably best done on the host computer.)

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    9. Re:Poor Mindstorms by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      While it's easy to say that it's mindstorms, you probably won't be able to use [for example] the servos from NXT on classic mindstorms, because they use a different connector and have both a motor drive AND a sensor, OR they have a more complicated input than mindstorms motors. If you can't use the same peripherals on each, then at the very least, it's a 2.0 and might as well be considered a separate product.

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    10. Re:Poor Mindstorms by Pearson · · Score: 1

      According to this guy (who was in the beta testing of the NXT) Lego will sell compatibility cables for the old system. That link also shows you how to make your own in the interim. I don't know how a port would handle having an old motor w/o rotation info, but I think you could program around that.

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  2. Livejournal Incompetent? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    After all, we can't even detect that you're even using ad blockers to begin with, so there's no point in us saying you can't.

    Exactly how can you not detect this? User hasn't visited in a while and so probably doesn't have page cached, user downloaded page, user didn't download ads, user is using an ad blocker.

    It's not foolproof, you'll need to turn this kind of detection off for anyone surfing through a proxy/accelerator, but you can detect this kind of behavior from anyone else, which means pretty much anyone on broadband (for example google web accelerator slows down broadband users, or at least, always has for me) and anyone who doesn't pay a premium to have their images degraded.

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    1. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by Solra+Bizna · · Score: 4, Informative

      user didn't download ads, user is using an ad blocker.

      AdBlock has a feature to download the ad but not display it.

      -:sigma.SB

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    2. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Gotcha, I've never noticed that particular feature. Half of the joy of blocking ads is not wasting bandwidth on them. 49% is not seeing 'em, and 1% is not putting hits into the ad-tracking assholes' databases...

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    3. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by twofidyKidd · · Score: 1

      And how much would it cost to monitor, analyze and store the data from the tracking of even a small percentage of their 10,169,726 users and communities? Is it such that it would add any value to their ad-service business? Would it be less per month than the combined ad revenue per month? Would it be worth going out of their way to shut down any of the users they found in violation, particularly in the eyes of the advertisers?

      So let's say they honestly can't (because I know it's possible not to), why would they even want to? I doubt it makes good business sense.

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    4. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by oirtemed · · Score: 1

      I'd say 99% of the joy of blocking ads is not seeing them. Unless you are still on dialup, I HIGHLY doubt you notice the bandwith difference.

    5. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And how much would it cost to monitor, analyze and store the data from the tracking of even a small percentage of their 10,169,726 users and communities?

      They are already doing that. Any site with any traffic that generates revenue monitors this very closely. It's the blood of the net.

      Would it be worth going out of their way to shut down any of the users they found in violation, particularly in the eyes of the advertisers?

      For sites of that magnitude, changing click-through ratios by just a few percentage points can mean millions in revenue - lost or gained.

    6. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by Stellian · · Score: 1

      It's important to observe that most ads are delivered from diferent servers. The content site only places a few inline frames on it's pages.
      So to do what you propose, the logs from multiple servers/organizations must be corelated. It could work for online comunities to do this scan once in a while, but the average add-infested website would need a constant link with the adserver to check for this and instantly refuse service to a surfer that blocks adds.
      Also note that the adservers have litle incentive to suport this. They usualy only care about the clicks, not the number of impressions. No add displayed, no clicks, no money for the content site.

    7. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Exactly how can you not detect this?

      i'll tell you how. ads come from third-party servers. those ads don't have any pictures in them. i think they're using one of those newfangled intarweb ad brokers called google. you might want to look them up in altavista or something.

    8. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by petard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't notice the bandwidth difference, but I see a huge difference (on some pages) in the time it takes to display pages on my 3Mbps DSL line. The way some pages are written, browsers can't render the page until they've fetched the ads. IIRC it has something to do with sizes not being included in an img tag...

      Some of the ad servers are quite slow to respond, and I can see my browser waiting for ads.mediaplex.com or some such. If I configure a proxy to remove all references to these servers, pages load much faster even though the bandwidth difference is negligible. So for me, 50% of the joy of blocking ads is the latency difference, not the bandwidth difference.

      But to address OP's point, they can't tell whether you've fetched the image or not in anything resembling real time if they don't host the image themselves. So it's not incompetence alone that prevents them from noticing this, it's the desire of ad providers to track their own stats rather than trust LJ to do so themselves. Well, that and the desire of the ad providers to be able to send cookies to your site and track you across different sites, which they couldn't do unless you make an HTTP request to the ad provider...

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    9. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 1

      Half of the joy of blocking ads is not wasting bandwidth on them.

      It's the other way round : with "download, don't display" enabled, half the joy is knowing that the asshole is paying for the bandwidth, even though the ad never got displayed.

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    10. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by phorm · · Score: 1

      Which would still give credit for the ad counters, no?

    11. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by BillX · · Score: 1

      That and most ads these days are served by an external image reference to 3rd-party server named e.g. ad.sendmecrap.com; the LJ servers would not easily be able to detect if these weren't being downloaded.

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    12. Re:Livejournal Incompetent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man you really *don't* like people who provide you with free content, do you?

  3. Full Disclosure by narzy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am Tim Thorpe, I am also narzy I wrote the article on dailytech.com and submitted it to /.

    1. Re:Full Disclosure by DarkAxi0m · · Score: 1

      No im Tim Thorpe!

    2. Re:Full Disclosure by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm Tim Thorpe, and so is my wife!

    3. Re:Full Disclosure by egriebel · · Score: 1

      I'm Jim Thorpe, and I approve this message.

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    4. Re:Full Disclosure by XoXus · · Score: 1

      No, I'm Spartacus!

    5. Re:Full Disclosure by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      It's spelt 'Nazi'

    6. Re:Full Disclosure by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Er, to whom are you explaining the joke?

    7. Re:Full Disclosure by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      No, I'm Dick Darlington, and Susan was Jiselle!

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    8. Re:Full Disclosure by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Please translate your sig. From what I can tell it says:
      'This computer is not for finger-pokers or assgrabbers. It is not for use by idiots.'

      I somehow believe that may be innaccurate.

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    9. Re:Full Disclosure by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 1

      WAAAAAY to subtle for me.

      Did you just call the parent poster a finger-poker, an assgrabber, or an idiot? I can't tell which one you meant...

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    10. Re:Full Disclosure by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      None of the above. GP's sig was in german. I attempted to translate with my limited german knowledge, but am pretty sure I've done a piss poor job.

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    11. Re:Full Disclosure by FragHARD · · Score: 1

      ??? I think he likes IT spelled 'narzy' HEhe heh

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    12. Re:Full Disclosure by egriebel · · Score: 1

      LOL, it's not German at all but actually from Das Blinkenlights
      See: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.ht ml/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Blinkenlights

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  4. Ralsky - Recanted on Monday! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the douche bag with the false report recants his story on Monday and Slashdot gets around to reporting it on Thursday Night?

    WTF!?!?!? Slashdot through it's inaction permitted a known cyber terrorist time to escape justice. Ergo, Slashdot implicitly supported the cyber terrorist and cyber terrorism.

    Down with SLashdot! There's never a black helicopter around when you need one!

  5. Can't detect ad blockers? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just ad blocked images from a local web server and looked in the logs afterwards. No more requests for the images. Maybe I am missing something seems that it would be trivial to detect. Just look in the logs. You wouln't even have to look through all of them, you could just take samples.

    1. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by wrfelts · · Score: 1

      Text-only browsers have been around for quite some time. No need to download something that won't be displayed anyway.

    2. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Browser information is also in the logs. And before you reply saying you can spoof that, I know. Fact is, outside of tech circles like this, text only browser usage and spoofing the user-agent is rare. I'd say text based web browsing is probably fairly rare here too, though I'm sure someone will post ancedotal evidence in the form of "I use lynx all the time" or "$text_browser represents 75% of my $conspiracy_theory blog visitors". I use lynx too, but it only represents about 0.1% of my total browsing.

    3. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by wrfelts · · Score: 1
      Browser information is also in the logs. And before you reply saying you can spoof that, I know.

      Yup, but a lot of "administrators" won't be smart enough to notice things like that. They won't get past the "how dare they not download our ads. They must be stopped..." part of the thought process.

      "$text_browser represents 75% of my $conspiracy_theory blog visitors".

      Wait... I thought I was the conspiracy...

    4. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by strider44 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Plenty of adblockers allow downloading of the images but don't show them on the page. In fact mine does this.

    5. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Okay, now buy a couple hundred more servers, a handful of load balancers, and two or three dozen edge cache servers in data centers across the country. Then get several hundred million hits per day. And then get log files for images Google hosts. Oh, and don't forget to solve the age-old problem of uniquely identifying visitors to a website instead of just hits or IP addresses.

      Still think it's easy?

    6. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup, but a lot of "administrators" won't be smart enough to notice things like that. They won't get past the "how dare they not download our ads. They must be stopped..." part of the thought process

      Well, in my experience, it's the PHBs who do the "how dare they not download our ads. They must be stopped..." and issue the directive of "find me all/how many/etc of the users who block our ads" to the administrators. Having been given somewhat similar tasks, if you don't find that fun, maybe you shouldn't be an adminstrator of a high traffic web site. Analyzing that sort of stuff is par for the course.

    7. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

      Oh, and don't forget to solve the age-old problem of uniquely identifying visitors to a website instead of just hits or IP addresses.

      Well, I don't really know the specifics of live journal, but it is my understanding that they have users and users have accounts. In addition, it was my understanding that these users were the target of the TOS and their accounts could be terminated. Logged in accounts are - guess what - logged in the weblogs. You can track logged in users. As far as volume goes, you don't have to look through all the logs only some of them. Caching servers and load balancers don't matter, some of the users hits will get into the web logs. I used to do this for a living, tracking and banning users at a free porn host. Our apache logs grew so fast we had to delete them almost daily despite the presence of several dozen squid proxies. Of course, this was in the 90s when disks were a hell of a lot smaller.

    8. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by schon · · Score: 1

      What about blind people using a screen reader? (and thus having images turned off.)

    9. Re:Can't detect ad blockers? by syukton · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Lynx doesn't download images. What about mobile browsers? Not downloading any images isn't the same as blocking ads. Blocking ads is the selective non-downloading of certain images. That is fairly trivial to detect, and if your site is largely dynamic, you could even restrict user access upon detection of their ad blocking software.

      For example, a user downloads the main HTML page. They download the transparent spacer image and the website title banner, but they don't download the 468x60 advertisement banner. Upon clicking any link at that page, a check is performed to see if the user downloaded all the images or selectively downloaded only the non-advertisements. If the check comes up positive (downloaded all images) then they will get to navigate to another page. If the check comes up negative (downloaded only non-ad images) then they will get directed to a "YOU BLOCK ADS AND YOU SUCK" page. Granted, as others have pointed out, some ad blockers will download the images and not display them, which eliminates this detection scheme as viable. I wouldn't be surprised that, if in coming times, this becomes the de facto method of handling the "blocking" of advertisements: download, but do not display.

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  6. Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by NineNine · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    It's very unlikely that many (if any) Wal-Mart employees are manipulating Wikipedia. Most of them don't make enough money to own a computer and have an Internet connection. Even if they do, they're too busy working a second job just to make ends meet. Sad but true.

    1. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah! They got the Wal-Mart floor staff to do the work of a 3rd party PR Company, that's it. No wait... Maybe they hired a PR COMPANY. For the love of God use your brain.

    2. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Roofus · · Score: 1

      Right, because ALL Wal*Mart employees are cashiers or stockboys. You don't think they have a vast group of IT professionals and industrial engineers who may have the time/drive/financial interest in battling over the Wiki entry?

    3. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by wetfeetl33t · · Score: 1

      I disagree. While it is true that Walmart execs probably aren't sitting in their evil lair trying scheming about changing wikipedia articles, articles about powerful companies/politicians/organizations have a tendency to be edited such that they are POV, regardless of the point of view. It has happened before, and it happens all the time (just look at the history of the GW Bush article). If you go and look at the history of the Walmart article, it is pretty obvious that someone is up to no good.

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    4. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by SpiritGod21 · · Score: 1

      That's not true. One of our student workers at the university computer services help desk works at Wal-Mart. Of course, his job with us is a second job, and he ends up falling asleep at work because he can't sleep if he's going to make end's meet, and he uses Linux because he can't afford a new(er) computer with Windows... but still! That sort of slander is uncalled for!

    5. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wal*Mart does indeed have a large staff of IT folks and industrial engineers. What these people do not do, however, is participate in this kind of media manipulation, certainly not on their own initiative. And in a 'dirty tricks' situation, they won't be involved at all, since there would be too many people in-the-know, it's too easy to get caught, and the PR blowback would be significant.

      This is purely a PR consultant/lobbyist kind of thing.

    6. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While I don't work directly for W*M, I do work with their IT dept very closely. One thing I've learned is they are very serious about ROI's (return on investment). I find it very hard to believe anyone (Public Relations or IT) would be able to convince management that fighting over a Wiki entry had a solid ROI. The average W*M customer just isn't very concerned with Wikipedia. Dollars spent in local community donations and advertising speak much stronger to the typical W*M shopper.

      I don't find it so hard to believe that some very dedicated IT guys/gals like Wikipedia but don't like what they read about Wal-Mart there. Being a CS grad, I've met my share of people who I can imagine taking a wiki entry very seriously, even to the point of it being personal. This seems like a much more likely scenario than a broad corporate scheme to better the W*M wiki-image.

    7. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by snarlydwarf · · Score: 1

      Well, the interesting thing to me is these two quotes:

      The Whitedust staff decline to comment at all on the question of if Wal-Mart are actually guilty of editing their own Wikipedia page.

      Now, that implies a that they can't actually prove their contentions. Follow it with this one:

      According to our latest poll, at time of writing 74% of Whitedust readers believe that Wal-Mart have manipulated Wiki.

      So, "we can't prove it, but hey, we convinced 74% of our readers that it's true, so it must be!"

      We now consider this matter closed.

      Right, why actually respond to a reasonable, polite and friendly letter? Better to flame him and insist that you're right because 74% of the readers of your site believe you're right without any sort of evidence.

    8. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One reason that Wal-Mart is so efficient is the have a killer IT department. They have a very good inventory and order system, that is a real competitive advantage. One of the reasons K-Mart failed in their bid to re-invent themselves is that they couldn't compete with Wal-Mart efficiency. They have some of the best tech, if not the best tech, in the industry. Just because they're in Arkansas don't think they're goobers.

    9. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by goldspider · · Score: 1

      "Sad but true."

      No, that's called generalizing. And it's a poor substitute for an informed argument.

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    10. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
      While I don't work directly for W*M, I do work with their IT dept very closely. One thing I've learned is they are very serious about ROI's (return on investment). I find it very hard to believe anyone (Public Relations or IT) would be able to convince management that fighting over a Wiki entry had a solid ROI.

      Try editing the Walmart article on Wikipedia and you will soon learn that you are wrong. They always have someone on the Wikipedia article. Every piece of criticism is pushed as far down the article as possible and then deleted. They have something like ten different editors. If you look at their histories they don't edit many other articles.

      This is a big problem across Wikipedia in general, it is pretty easy for a politician or a company to erase negative information.

      If you look at the Fox News article you will find that pretty much all mention of its role as a conservative propaganda organization is eliminated. The only mention of the fact that many people consider Fox has a hard right tilt comes right at the end. Thats just the folk comming in from the wingnut-sphere. I really doubt Fox cares about being considered conservative, its just an act they put on because they know it gets up the nose of liberals (but not as much as Colbert got up their nose this week).

      If you read the Katherine Harris article you will find that there are people who don't think the fact that she had a meal costing $2,800 with a defense contractor who just pled guilty to corruption and bribery notable at all, nor the fact that she tried to send a $10 million federal contract his way through an earmark the next day and subsequently lied about doing so repeatedly. That fight is particularly amusing because the people most desperate to get Harris off the November ballot are her own party. Jeb Bush, Karl Rove and Ed Rollins are all on the record briefing against Harris.

      You can even find bogus info in the history articles and the articles on religion. There is a group that is very eager to tell us that nothing really bad happened during the Spanish Inquisition.

      Crank contributions come in from both the left and the right. Its quite interesting to see an MIT full professor being told he does not understand the technology he pioneered.

      I think that these problems are fixable but it needs a change of priority that Jimbo does not seem willing to make at this point. The priority is to have the widest range of participation with the lowest barriers. That may not be the best way to create articles on controversial subjects.

      I think that there needs to be a bit more process and a mechanism to track editor reputation, similar to the slashdot scheme but with something added to cope with the partisanship factor. Slashdot forays into politics are none to successful unless it is on a topic like CALEA where there is a guaranteed 500 posts, all with the same opinion.

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    11. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by jrsimmons · · Score: 1

      I haven't tried editing the wikipedia entry on Wal-Mart (I don't really have anything to add), but I did read the article on this when I first saw it on slashdot (or digg or wherever it was I ran across it). I'm not advocating that no one is doing as you say--watching the article and methodically manipulating it. The point I'm making is that such a project (for everything in business is a project of one sort or another) would not fit into the way W*M does business. For one, it would be VERY expensive (the alleged changes are not ignorant propoganda. they are well worded and placed, though obviously biased). People capable of doing this type of work and not talking about it don't come cheaply. As you say, the articles seem to be watched closely, so that means several of these people. You're talking a lot of money, and W*M does not spend a lot of money without knowing what they're getting for it.

      There are a lot of interest groups out there with money to throw around and there are a lot groups of people who believe what they believe and don't mind spending a lot of time in the interest of their beliefs.

      This type of activity just doesn't make business sense. The overhead would be enormous, and the payback would be undefined. That's not to say someone isn't doing it...I just don't think it's Wal-Mart Store, Inc.

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    12. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This type of activity just doesn't make business sense. The overhead would be enormous, and the payback would be undefined. That's not to say someone isn't doing it...I just don't think it's Wal-Mart Store, Inc.

      It would not be the first time that that Walmart spent a pile of cash on a pointless operation. They spend a fortune trying to avoid paying their staff a living wage or give them real health benefits.

      Exxon spent tens of millions last year on phony think tanks dedicated to peddling the myth that there is scientific doubt over global warming.

      Walmart is penny wise pound foolish. Their financial results over the past five years are far from impressive. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Costco has a much better, much more sustainable model. Pay an honest wage, control costs by selling in bulk.

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    13. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Maru+Dubshinki · · Score: 1

      "Crank contributions come in from both the left and the right. Its quite interesting to see an MIT full professor being told he does not understand the technology he pioneered."

      I'm going to guess that you're talking about Carl Hewitt here. He got banned because he was an awful editor. His articles were poorly written, he had no idea what a reference was (he referenced *Godel's papers on his Incompleteness Theorems* in an article on Hewitt's Scientific Community model), and couldn't stop promoting himself and his papers, even after he was banned by Arbcom from editting exactly those articles.

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    14. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Every piece of criticism is pushed as far down the article as possible and then deleted. They have something like ten different editors. If you look at their histories they don't edit many other articles.

      Out of interest, can you provide some examples? I see the article does in fact have a "Criticism" section, which is fairly high up, not to mention a dedicated article for Criticism of Wal-Mart. I believe there are ways to attract the attentions of other editors on Wikipedia - it shouldn't be that hard to outnumber ten people on a popular article such as this, but maybe I'm wrong.

    15. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

      Shouldn't you get elephants by paying peanuts? I believe you'd do better paying bananas if you wanted monkeys.
    16. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maybe, just maybe, people shuld take Wikipedia with a grain of salt?

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    17. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      Wiki isn't exactly wher you create content.Its place to reference content.
      Many people are making the mistake of writing something and get discarded on counts of Original Research/Bad Grammar/Wrong Wiki-style/POV.

      Writing content on wikipedia is like making site from slashdot comments.
      Hopefully wiki get decentralized in the futute into a wiki-network with each node has pros working in specific fields of view as admins and moderators and everyone is welcome to write.

    18. Re:Wal-Mart Wiki Manipulation unlikely by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
      Out of interest, can you provide some examples? I see the article does in fact have a "Criticism" section, which is fairly high up, not to mention a dedicated article for Criticism of Wal-Mart.

      Maybe this week, but that is only because the blatant manipulation from WalMart has been noticed and there are plenty of editors willing to stand guard over the article.

      The criticism article was originally created by the WalMart faction as a way to clean all negative comment from the main article. They then re-ordered the criticism article so that people would have to read through ten screenfulls of moonbat articles on what WalMart might do in the future before seeing anything on union busting, employment of illegal aliens or any of the other unfair labour practices Walmart is actually accused of.

      The WalMart article and the Cindy Sheehan article both get plenty of attention and so attempts to skew them pretty much fail. The exception to the rule being the Katherine Harris article where there are Democrats desperately editing out the negative info because they want Nelson to face Harris in November rather than a more electable replacement, meanwhile there are Republicans doing the opposite because they fear the negative impace Harris will have on the other state races. Expect this to reverse after May 14th.

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  7. Australia as a testbed by Oldsmobile · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems Australia could be used as a testbed for invasive smart card and biometric technologies, seeing as how the populace on the whole embraces the anti-terrorism-means-restricting-our-rights -mantra.

    I am sure that the Australian experience will be looked at in the US, once the final decision has been made to implement a universal biometric ID system.

    There are many things, such as the PASS-card as well as requireing biometrics on your passport, that can be seen as groundlaying work for such a system.

    Things like these, after all, don't come all of a sudden, instead they are slowly implemented, one step at a time. In the end, you will find it strangely convinient, and not really all that bad, to have to carry your biometrically enhanced universal RFID card along with you.

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    1. Re:Australia as a testbed by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      I am sure that the Australian experience will be looked at in the US, once the final decision has been made to implement a universal biometric ID system.
      Ah, such a naive world view.

      The Australian experience is going to be the means behind the US implementing "a universal biometric ID system".

      If the Gov't ever decides to implement one, they'll "harmonize" US law with the Australian law. They'll probably do this through a treaty or some other maneuver, so that there will not have to be any debate on the matter.
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    2. Re:Australia as a testbed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The populace on the whole does not embrace the anti-terrorism-means-restricting-our-rights -mantra. But there is little we can do until the next election, and even then we'd better hope a "no id cards" party forms, with enough other mainline policies to get everyone to vote for them on that issue alone. It's just like when the decision was made to go to war in Iraq, and there was some huge number of people protesting in the middle of Sydney (I think the number was somewhere over 250,000). In a city of I think 4 million. 250,000 people is about 1% of our population, able to get to the centre of sydney on the same day. To me that is a significant voice of dissapproval, that was ignored.

    3. Re:Australia as a testbed by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      It seems Australia could be used as a testbed for invasive smart card and biometric technologies, seeing as how the populace on the whole embraces the anti-terrorism-means-restricting-our-rights -mantra.

      The UK has already started working on exactly this, an ID card that ties multiple government databases together and has multiple biometrics on. We've been old it's 'voluntary to begin with' but also that we can't have a passport without one wither so hardly optional.

      More interestingly, apart from the usual 'it will stop terrorists/ID theft/criminals stuff, the biometrics are also (erroneously AFAIK) being justfied as a requirement for entering the US.

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    4. Re:Australia as a testbed by CrankyOldBastard · · Score: 1
      As an Australian I would like to clarify a few things:

      It seems Australia could be used as a testbed for invasive smart card and biometric technologies, seeing as how the populace on the whole embraces the anti-terrorism-means-restricting-our-rights -mantra.

      I don't think the majority of Australians even know what our government is up to these days. The Howard Government has an absolute majority in both Houses, and has been pushing ideologically motivated legislation through in the small am hours, such as the sale of Medicare and the removal of our Unfair Dismissal Laws (gotta love job security...).

      As a result it's up to the States to challenge these new laws in the High Court. The challenge is to show that these laws could be considered as unconstitutional. Possibly the best chance is if there is some way that it could be shown that these cards could constitute some kind of barrier to interstate trade, and then it can be shown that the cards act (in some way) as a tax or duty (i.e. raising costs) across borders.

      You have to realise that our country is structured quite differently to the USA - you have an explicit list of rights in your constitution, we don't. Our constitution is a purely economic document. As a result, as long as an activity doesnt interfere with the economic management of the Commonwealth of Australia, it's States and Territories, then that activity is allowed unless there has been specific legislation passed either by the Federal or State Governments prohibiting that activity.

      In some respects this provides us with greater freedoms than countries that rely on explicit Rights have, but it does provide for the kinds of abuse that the Howard Government is committing. Conversely, we don't suffer from Government by Lobbyist and Corporation the way you Americans do. It's a different system.

      I'm desperatly hoping that many people will hold a personal opinion that in the interests of the continuation of the Rule of Law we will have to practice widespread Civil Disobedience. (The previous convoluted sentence is to get around another midnight anti-terrorism law which makes it illegal to promote anti-government activity unless it is an honestly and earnestly held belief that is congruent with the popular Australian ethos (that's a gross simplification by the way - even the lawyers can't agree exactly what the safety provision in that Bill actually means...).

      You also have to consider that as a percentage of population we've had more people killed by terrorists (Bali Bombings) than you did in New York, so many Australians feel very vulnerable. We do have the world's most populous Muslim nation just a 300km north of us, and this current Government seems to be doing it's best to piss off all 300 or so million of them.

      In general most Australians seem to believe that Islam is a religion of hate and violence, rather than that the Wahabists are the problem. As a nation we are really only just realising that this isnt a pure white anglo-saxon country, so issues like "these Muslims are nice people" vs "those ones are crazy" are way beyond the understanding of probably 80% of the population. Just today the Catholic Archbishop of Sydney announced that Islam is a religion of Hate (and that Global warming is not happening!!!) - what hope does the man on the street have?

  8. So why isn't Ralsky in jail? by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

    Don't they have space for him?

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    1. Re:So why isn't Ralsky in jail? by Skadet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe they should get some Cell-alis and increase the size of their cells anywhere from 2-6 feet?

    2. Re:So why isn't Ralsky in jail? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Make the punishment fit the crime. Shouldn't Ralsky be ground up and made into a potted meat product?

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    3. Re:So why isn't Ralsky in jail? by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Because he has loaned access of his Spam-net of computers over to the republicans for use in the up-coming election.

  9. It's about time, too many killings down under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terrorist activity has gone mad down under, and it is about time that the government monitors every citizen in order to keep the peace before another shrimp is stolen from the barbie.

  10. Sigh, and just when we got our hopes up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sigh, and just when we got our hopes up that he'll be floating face down in a river somewhere.

  11. Flaw in detecting ad blocker by ParanoidJanitor · · Score: 2, Informative

    If a user for Livejournal is using a text-only browser they won't load any images. If you just look for images loaded in a log a text-only browser will show up as adware when it's really not.

    1. Re:Flaw in detecting ad blocker by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      I doubt that there are too many Lynx users there.

    2. Re:Flaw in detecting ad blocker by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      brltty, you insensitive clod!

  12. prisoner locator by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a web page to check for Federal prisoner: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp

    I checked before, and found out that a spammer that I sued Gary Hunziker was recently released. http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Trans action=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=H unziker&Middle=&FirstName=gary&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x =0&y=0
    It sometimes is a handy web site.

    1. Re:prisoner locator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, looks like we'll be footing the bill for this guy until 2011!

  13. WalMart needs a mouthpeice? by redelm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm a bit surprised: Why would WalMart use an external consultant (especially a lobbyist) to deal with a press inaccuracy? Don't they have people who do that in-house?

    If they don't have'em, how likely is it they have people to manipulate a wiki in-house? They'd just contract it out, like the defense. Plausible deniability.

    1. Re:WalMart needs a mouthpeice? by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

      Most billion dollar companies make use of PR firms and advertising agencies. A few have in house agencies,
      but it is the exception rather than the rule. Edelman is one of the bigger PR firms.
      At least if the PR firm screws up you can blame someone else. They are pretty damn careful though,
      after all they have one function, make the company look good (and damage control too, I guess)....

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    2. Re:WalMart needs a mouthpeice? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would WalMart use an external consultant (especially a lobbyist) to deal with a press inaccuracy?

      If you read his email, he was just trying to establish a dialog with the author to prove or disprove his claims. Whitedust decided to act irresponsibly (again) and published it rather than forwarding it to the author.

      Honestly, if I have any security needs in the future, Whitedust will be the LAST company I look to for help or recommendations.

    3. Re:WalMart needs a mouthpeice? by OakDragon · · Score: 1
      I'm a bit surprised: Why would WalMart use an external consultant...to deal with a press inaccuracy?

      They did have a guy, but he was only making $6.50 an hour. He found a much better job delivering for Domino's.

  14. Client Side Ad-Blockers Not the point? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    IIRC, the issue was to prevent LiveJournal authors from using sneaky html/css tricks to obscure or somehow defeat the adverts & to prevent them from offering up ad-blocking software to their readership.

    If you want to refresh your memory, you can read this section of the original thread

    It didn't really have anything to do with [Random Person] browsing by and using an ad-blocker.

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  15. Ad Blocking Countermeasures by Galactic+Dominator · · Score: 0

    Here is an interesting link describing some ad-blocking countermeasures. [URL="http://www.websitepublisher.net/article/ad-b locking/4"]www.websitepublisher.net/article/ad-blo cking/4[/URL] Site implementing them... [URL="EnvironmentalChemistry.com"]EnvironmentalChe mistry.com[/URL]

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    1. Re:Ad Blocking Countermeasures by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Did I just circumvent DRM measures by ignoring their Javascript and CSS?

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  16. Erm..wow, that's some quality research. by Phanatic1a · · Score: 2, Insightful

    According to our latest poll, at time of writing 74% of Whitedust readers believe that Wal-Mart have manipulated Wiki.

    A purported *security* company thinks this is valid evidentiary support? "The lurkers support me in email" is even lamer in the real world than it is on Usenet.

    1. Re:Erm..wow, that's some quality research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      74%? Well then the people have spoken and by the mandate of the citizens of the internet it must be declared true! Long live democracy!

      Man, I never expected to see the day when I would side with the vice president of a PR firm. Whitedust is apparently run by complete assholes.

  17. Re:Hello! I have a bold statement. DON'T MOD ME DO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cute, the punchline is in the link.

  18. My proposal by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    In response to this, I recommend a proxy that holds the ad block list/logic that still downloads all the images, but requests the non-ad images from the http server first, and discards at the proxy the rest (the ad images). Now you still get the pages faster with no ads, but you still use the bandwidth (to the proxy) of the whole page, including ad images. And technically, they COULD see what order you are downloading the images in, but at some point it's more trouble than it's worth for them to force someone to view ads. And you may be able to foil THAT by getting one or more of the ads early on.

    I don't know a lot about how proxy and ad blocking works, or if anyone has already implemented this, but there's an idea for anyone so inclined to write one or modify an existing.

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    1. Re:My proposal by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And technically, they COULD see what order you are downloading the images in, but at some point it's more trouble than it's worth for them to force someone to view ads. And you may be able to foil THAT by getting one or more of the ads early on.

      The order you're downloading them in is meaningless, that's decided by the browser anyway. Why you'd want to download images out of order is beyond me... I mean, if they all come from the same server anyway. It would make sense to load images from assorted servers in groups, so you can do multiple downloads in the same connection.

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    2. Re:My proposal by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      Because if you know an image is an ad, you can delay it and get the content first. It makes the interesting parts of the page accessible before the crap. We're talking about a few seconds here, but it isn't worthless. Especially on limited connections (does anyone use dialup anymore?) such as cellular broadband and possibly wireless in a saturated area. I'd probably still use it on my cable connection.

      This is all assuming they figure out I am blocking most ads anyway. If they fight dirty, then I would use these tactics to try to bypass it.

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  19. FWIW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LJ ads are googleads. Those I've managed to see at any rate. No images there, just words.

  20. OT: Claiming posts across multiple accounts by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'm not disagreeing with you, but I just wondered whether if someone was in a similar situation as yours in the future, it wouldn't be a bad idea to link your comments in some way; actually I was thinking about this when reading some AC posts that resembled posts of a registered user ... sometimes you want to post something anonymously or pseudonymously, but leave open the possibility of claiming the comment later.

    I was thinking that maybe the way to do it would just be to end one comment (the one from your alternate account, AC, whatever) with a MD5 hash of some secret phrase, and then if you later wanted to claim the post you could publish the secret using your main account. Not quite as effort intensive as actually signing the posts cryptographically (plus it's deniable, sort of) but it'd let you claim an anonymous body of work later on if you wanted.

    Anyone have any immediate thoughts or criticisms?

    It just seems like it's getting to the point where few people have just one account on one site anymore; most people have a bunch of accounts, sometimes using the same nickname and sometimes using different ones. Sometimes you don't want to link all the identities together, but there are definitely reasons why you'd want to be able to retroactively, if circumstances dictated. Has anyone put any serious thought into the problem, in a way that preserved psuedonymity until a user chose to reveal themselves?

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    1. Re:OT: Claiming posts across multiple accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      every post would look like this then

      -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
      Hash: SHA1

      This is a test
      -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
      Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.51

      iD8DBQFEWgt5o0WsMKpsHWkRAmFHAJ9sOYSoie624 ZJLfYtREb5Nc6GbkACfS4tW
      cqUNpsXj2hPk5qUZjSJqwKI=
      =wIEm
      -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    2. Re:OT: Claiming posts across multiple accounts by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      That would be a karma whore's dream; make tonnes of posts, then claim the ones which get karma.

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    3. Re:OT: Claiming posts across multiple accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      every post would look like this then

      Who made this post? And I want proof!!

    4. Re:OT: Claiming posts across multiple accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gpg: Signature made Thu May 4 09:11:05 2006 CDT using DSA key ID AA6C1D69
      gpg: Good signature from "Yousif Al Saif "
      gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
      gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
      Primary key fingerprint: 28BF 54FC E44A 9F03 220D 676B A345 AC30 AA6C 1D69

    5. Re:OT: Claiming posts across multiple accounts by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1

      You might be able to claim responsibility for the post by the method noted above, but you {would,should} never get the karma points.

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  21. National Healthcare == National ID by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After reading the recent article about people in the UK being healthier than people in the USA, it struck me that if we ever have nationalized health-care in the USA, it is guaranteed to come with a national-id card as part of the implementation.

    Sure, it is technically possible, even technically easier, to not implement a full-on big-brother national-id just to do socialized medicine. But the political climate in the USA is such that it just won't come to pass without such a draconian requirement. There are just too many corporate and political powers with an interest in tracking all citizens at some level or another and too few citizens that understand or care about the huge risks that such systems bring with them.

    So, while some arguments for a single-payer healthcare system are compelling, I find the threat of the one database to rule them all and in the darkness bind us to be sufficiently compelling on its own to oppose any nationalized health-care system in the USA.

    I guess it could be worse - we could still end up with the identity card and the subsequent corporate-police-state-utopia without any of the benefits like nationalized healthcare.

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    1. Re:National Healthcare == National ID by Dominic · · Score: 1

      Why would it have to come with a card? Here in the UK we have the NHS as you say, but you don't need any ID to use it. Anyone can walk in to any doctors surgery or hospital for treatment without having to 'prove' anything. Your medical records are held by your own GP, but if you visit another GP (on holiday, for example) or hospital then they wouldn't usually require your records, so it's not a problem.

      This is exactly how it should be - isn't helping the sick one of our obligations as a society? If they want to come over from abroad and use our doctors then who cares? The cost of this is nothing compared to our stupid illegal wars - in fact treating the poor who can't afford treatment in their own countries that aren't civilised enough to provide universal free healthcare is an honourable act of charity - I certainly don't object to my taxes being used to pay for it. What person with morals could?

    2. Re:National Healthcare == National ID by maxume · · Score: 1

      Super-secret-numbers are used for Medicare/Medicade, what more would be required by a comprehensive system?

      Not that ssn's for medical care is all that appealing...

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    3. Re:National Healthcare == National ID by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Why would it have to come with a card?

      For exactly the same reasons it came with a card in Australia - didn't you read the summary at the top of the page?

      isn't helping the sick one of our obligations as a society?

      Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't. If the benefits of providing the service are outweighed by the problems that are created by tying it to a card, then obviously society as a whole would be better off just shitcanning the whole thing.

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  22. duh by flogic42 · · Score: 1

    Though dispicable, Wal-mart's actions are not unsual. Manipulating media is par for the course for corporate PR.

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  23. this bush by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    paying until 2011 for a Bush is getting off easy. We will be paying much longer for this Bush.

  24. you think their PR people work for minimum wage? by alizard · · Score: 1
    BTW, the "flamebait" mod is ridiculous.

    While you did get right the idea that a rank-and-file minimum wage part-time Walmart employee is unlikely to defend the company on his own time for reasons having to do with low income, I saw nothing inflammatory about it.

    Any more my posting the fact that PR people, whether in-house or working for an agency gets paid a hell of a lot more than minimum wage is.

  25. Try it. Just check the html and it should be obvio by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Informative
    The answer why you can't just check the logs is obvious IF you have a browser that somehow can tell you what it is getting from who as it loads the page.

    Thats right. The ads are served from a different server.

    What is therefore missing is the link between requests.

    IF you served your own ads you could indeed build in some system that checks wether the ad you inserted into the page is being downloaded. You would have to start a session for each user, you would have to write a script around your image server that notes in the session wether the image was retrieved but it is doable.

    But how do you do this with ads from a third party?

    I serve a page to you with a link to get an image from another server. UNLESS I can communicate with that server I have no way of telling wether you did that.

    How it could work.

    • Client sends request for page.
    • Server starts a session and generates the page includings ads.
    • Server sends the page to the client with the ad link (including sessionid).
    • Client loads page following the link to the adserver (sending the sessionid with the request for the ads).
    • Adserver sends a message to the server that an ad has been downloaded for this sessionid.
    • Server checks if all the ads it included got a response from the adserver and if all are loaded the user is allowed to ask pages again (with this sessionid) or told to fuck off.

    There are other ways as well, the server could send a list of ads included to the adserver and get a single message back if they all been requested or not. But the idea remains the same, you need communication between the adserver and the page server.

    That, to my knowledge isn't in use yet.

    Oh and the above "solution" ain't perfect either. Ad blockers that retrieve the ad but don't show it would be unaffected. How do you deal with a slow client who browses to fast for the ads to download? You also end up sending your content and are only able to block the user from getting stuff again within the same session.

    More problems then, for now, it seems worth to taggle.

    There is one form of ad that bypasses all this. The blocking flash ad. You know those screens you get before you go to the content page with a huge flash ad? Some require you to wait some time but what if the content link is only IN the flash ad.

    Just make the link to the content only display after the ad has played. Forced ads. Lovely eh?

    I have had to think about this problem before. The writeup above is very simple because I can't be arsed to write it all down again because at the time I came to the realisation that it is hard to sell anti-ad-blocker solutions to people who use IE and don't even know how to block virusses.

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  26. Re:Try it. Just check the html and it should be ob by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    EnvironmentalChemistry.com think they can stop people blocking advertisements. Unless, of course, said people are using Firefox with Javascript disabled and View -> Page Style > No Style.

    Does anybody else here think it would be worth applying for a patent on a foolproof ad-blocker-stopping method, and then signing the patent over to an anti-advertising group?

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  27. Any numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could you give us some more details? How much money earns an Wal-Mart employee and how much gets the average employee in independent groceries "with similar skillsets". There has to be some statistical data.

    I heard every year one of three employees leaves Wal-Mart. That does not sound like the BEST employer to me.

    1. Re:Any numbers? by raehl · · Score: 1

      One of three is only 33%. That would indicate WalMart is a pretty good place to work. Many retail positions have 100% turnover. Hell, turnover at Starbucks EXCEEDS 100%.

      33% only sounds like a lot because you have no idea what a realistic turnover figure for that industry is. Most people have no idea what typical compensation and benefits are, something that WalMart opponents exploit very successfully.

      Most of the WalMart negative publicity is union driven. They want the dues from those walmart employees and are trying to create the impression that WalMart employees would be better if they had unions.

  28. It's called a Marquee Product Re:Poor Mindstorms by miller701 · · Score: 1

    GN Doesn't make a lot of money off the Corvette, (actually, they don't make a lot of money on ANYTHING, but that's not the point) but they still have it to bring people in and give them a higher thing to dream for. At least in the past you could put them in a Camaro for half the price.

    Imagine a 6-7 year-old seeing some fantastic mindstorms creation. They pick up a couple of basic sets, graduate to Technic, then Mindstorms.

  29. Re:Why Ralsky not in jail? - cruel and unusual by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

    Why isn't Ralsky not in jail?

    Because it would constitute cruel and unusual punishment.

    ...to the other inmates who don't want spam all day, all night, etc.

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