I've been running Fedora Core 5 x86 AMD 64 on my laptop since March 20th IIRC?
Looks good to me. I'm a little bummed they removed the right click option for terminal shell and it seems that whenever I do a view details of the boot process my video is hosed once the desktop comes up (ATI 200M).
The add/remove programs only seems to work when connected to the web.
Install was smooth and easy, better driver support than windows XP Pro 64-bit edition (thanks for nothing HP, broadcom, ATI & conexant).
Holy crap! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! Seriously. I wound up just tossing a terminal in my top bar and clicking on that, but I really missed my right click. Regards, Steve
What the hell kind of desktop environment requires the installation of a package just to make a simple change to the right-click menu?
One where they thought the MS Windows registry was a good thing to emulate - only you get to have one for every seperate user and you can't migrate it to a different machine. Gconf unfortunately still lurks at the heart of gnome way back from the days when it was a politically motivated project by people unfamiliar with *nix or the concept of a multiuser environment connected to a network. Eventually gconf will go away or the sabayon configuration project will solve most of the problems.
Various newbies will tell me that it isn't so and I suggest they try the following quick exercise. Attempt to copy the gpanel configuration from one user to another on the same host and attempt to change the appropriate gconf keys by gconf tools or by editing the configuration files.
Anyway, remember that a lot of window managers out there support the behaviour of gnome applications - you don't have to use the gnome desktop even if you want to use the gnome panel.
My Fedora Core 5 Install Experience.
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Avillia
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· Score: 2, Funny
Insert disc. Do full media check. Reburn Disc 3 due to corruption. Reboot. Insert disc. Do full media check. Install. Freeze at selecting time zone. Reboot. Select packages. Computer restarts at Disc 2. Reboot. Computer gets to the end, Disc 5, 99%, and gives corrupt file error. Will not allow you to recheck the file in case of a bad read. Take discs, smash, shred, and burn. Install Debian.
Word! My first successful Fedora Core install was with FC5, and only after much tweaking. Every time I've tried it before, Anaconda (the installer) has bollocksed up.
This time, I got it installed, and was impressed with what felt like a speed improvement (I'm guessing GCC 4.0 is to blame) but good lord, KDE. Ick.
I reinstalled Ubuntu the next day.
-- Software is like a goldfish - it'll grow to fit the size of it's bowl...
Have they taken care of the 'updatability' deal with their network based install yet? One of my biggest pet peeves with RH/Fedora and Mandwhatevertheycallitthisweek was when doing a net install, you installed from their static set of packages, _then_ updates were done. The needless redundancy of installing 200+ megs of packages, then having to install the updates to those packages seems a bit ridiculous, IMO. That's one of my biggest joys of doing a Debian install; you set up your sources, and the packages you install right then and there are the updated packages... no needless re-downloading of a couple hundred megs of packahges you just installed a few minutes earlier.
-- ...Rob
The American Dream isn't an SUV and a house in the suburbs; it's Don't Tread On Me.
The real problem is with the media check. I swear sometimes you get media check failed not when the media is bad but when there's a problem with the check itself.
I used to get this all the time, and proceed with the install anyway. Never had a problem. Now I just skip the media check as an uneccessary waste of time.
Well, Anonymous Cornhole, you're right-- I was combining two installs in my head. FC5 did default to GNOME. It was when I tried out something else recently (I've since forgotten) that it defaulted to KDE and I was so terribly nonplussed.
FC5 just felt too overblown for my needs. And I've acclimatized myself to Ubuntu over the last couple of years, so it's gotten to where anything else feels a little foreign.
As for your general comments, I'll not dignify them.
-- Software is like a goldfish - it'll grow to fit the size of it's bowl...
It's just kind of arrogance, presumption of universal infinite bandwidth, that has finally consumed FC5 like so many other linux distros. FC4 could at least use its own distro CDs to resolve dependencies when adding RPMs post-install. FC5 can't do anything without contacting the mothership.
What the idiots have taken it upon themself to download is a guarded secret, but they have no problem with saturating a connection for hours on end, puking when the connection drops, or throwing away 10 hours of work and starting over.
This is the fncking USA! Damn elitist foreigners and their cheap DSL.
Have they taken care of the 'updatability' deal with their network based install yet?
They are working on it. In Fedora Core 5, much infrastructure work is in place since the installer now uses yum to install packages. What you ask for is planned for inclusion in FC6.
FC4 could at least use its own distro CDs to resolve dependencies when adding RPMs post-install. FC5 can't do anything without contacting the mothership.
This is because FC5 uses a brand-new graphical package management tool, Pirut, for this purpose. They are working to add this functionality to Pirut, and my guess is that it will be ready in time for FC6.
As a workaround, you can create a local repository with the contents of the CDs/DVD, and add it to the yum configuration.
I prefer Stanton Finley's RH/Fedora websites
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rdoherty
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· Score: 5, Informative
There's not much of a need for ZDNet's Fedora Core 5 install photos..
For all of my RH/Fedora installations, including Fedora Core 5 (over a month ago), I used Stanton Finley's site... His site is much more informative:
http://www.stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_instal lation_notes.html
The Fedora Core 5 Install Experience?
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Quirk
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· Score: 3, Interesting
uhm... no, this would be a representation of the FC5 install experience. The install experience would, you know, be the install experience. And how many/.ers need such an elementary introduction? It's nice that it's being done, maybe the FC community have taken notice of the Ubuntu user friendly experience and are trying to ease new users into a babystep by babystep install?
I couldn't shake Jimi Hendrix doing are you experienced as an interior sound track.:)
-- "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature." Cohen
If we really want to get newbies interested in Linux, we need more video tutorial. A picture might be a thousand words, but a video gives a lot more confidence to people who wants try new things.
I really like the new ASP.Net HOWTO video series. I found it to be very effective to give new web developers head start with the IDE.
I'm posting this even though I moderated, just because the story really really is in need of help. (translation, you get two fp trolls)
The "story" is just a bunch of screenshots, and a link to a blog on techrepublic.com.com that you need to register to see. Once I got into the blog, it wasn't even on the page, because this was posted there April 20th with the following "content":
Fedora Core 5 Installed.....Next Stop, XenSource
Tags: open source, linux, virtualization, the hot button, steven s. warren, xen
I just finished my installation of Fedora Core 5. It was a painless installation. I will be concentrating next on getting XenSource installed using Fedora Core 5. The IT grapevine says it is easier to install Xen on FC5 than FC4.
Has anyone out there installed Xen on FC5 yet? If so, I would like to be able to pick your brain if I stumble and trust me I will stumble. Xen seems really difficult to install from the initial reading I have done. I have a sneaking suspicion it is going to be painful. We shall see.
Click the link to view my FC5 Installation Gallery.
Note: You can also see my other Installation Galleries that I have done by reading the following blogs:
Note: Here is my installation gallery for Linspire Five-O
That was it, just a "have you done it?" and photos, on flickr no less. It was done by Steven S. Warren though, who was the contributer to zdnet, so it wasn't out and out theft, just quite dumb. As someone previous said, looks like they just posted it to display all the ads on each page. But if you want to see that, there is allways the Printable Version with only 1 ad.
-- My other sig is just as lame
Re:Worst Slashdot post in ages
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tomhudson
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· Score: 1
This is perhaps the worst Slashdot post ever. Let's see:
- Basic screenshot show that has been linked on the articles some dozen times already
- Trolling about how some ancient crap hardware no one should be using ever anywhere anymore can't run FC5
- Most of the text is in blog article that requires registration
One user comment - mentioning a link to www.zdnet.com.au.
14 submitted stories accepted - all with one or more links to www.zdnet.com.au
No friends, fans, foes or freaks
Looks like a shill account to pimp zdnet.com.au, doesn't it?
Re:Worst Slashdot post in ages
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d3matt
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· Score: 1
While I don't usally agree with the moaning and groaning about slashdot articles. I swear I've read this exact post before. Come on! FC5 has been out for awhile now (and the install hasn't really changed either).
Re:Worst Slashdot post in ages
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zerblat
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· Score: 1
It does seem like every article daria42 submits here att Slashdot or at Digg.com links to zdnet.com.au. It would be nice if (s)he would be a bit more upfront about that, but there's nothing inherently wrong about it. Anyone can submit anything. It's the editors' job to decide which stories get posted.
Download ISO, ISO download failed at 100% (This is why I use Firefox and not Opera now), downloaded ISO again, burned ISO, booted CD, ran install, rebooted an hour later, wondered why the fuck the "much faster" GNOME 2.14 was running so slowly then 2 hours later removed it and put Debian on.
-- By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
wondered why the fuck the "much faster" GNOME 2.14 was running so slowly
Did you run with SELinux enabled? Rumor is that SELinux almost entirely cancels out the speed increase by Gnome 2.14. I run with SELinux disabled and I'd say that FC5 is much faster than FC4.
Same here, and I'm a RedHat Fan!
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drewzhrodague
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· Score: 1
That same kinda thing happened here for me. I downloaded the images, and burned them to CD, with the intent of using it on my old Dell C640 laptop. Guess what? I couldn't get past the LILO part.
I have been a RedHat fan since 4.2, followed them right through Fedora. *Never* had a problems installing RedHat on any system, unless it had bad hardware, or badly burned disks. In the case with FC5, I was stumped. Seriously stumped. What did they do?
Fedora's version of KDE is broken
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billybob2
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· Score: 1, Interesting
KDE is broken in the latest Fedora release, which doesn't really surprise me given the fact that Red Hat has always had abyssmal support for KDE.
I think applications like Konqueror File Manager, K3B for burning CDs and DVDs, AmaroK for listening to music, Kaffeine for watching movies, etc are a must for a desktop computer. It's a shame that Red Hat doesn't put more resources into ensuring KDE is usable on their systems.
Anyway, I'll stick with ArkLinux, Kubuntu and openSUSE since KDE actually works on those distros.
Re:Fedora's version of KDE is broken
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pipacs
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· Score: 2, Informative
The kde-redhat guys do a great job keeping KDE up to date on Fedora.
Re:Fedora's version of KDE is broken
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suitepotato
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· Score: 1
KDE is broken in the latest Fedora release, which doesn't really surprise me given the fact that Red Hat has always had abyssmal support for KDE.
Odd. In the last couple updates, xcompmgr started working perfectly with KDE on FC5. I take that as a very high water mark of... "non-brokenness".
-- If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
Re:Abrupt....
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__aaclcg7560
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· Score: 2, Insightful
No... The story title and summary are redundant. A better title and summary would be:
The Fedora Core 5 Install Experience
A detailed image gallery walks the reader through.
Now that's concise, especially if you leave the link out.:P
Same here, I completely ignore the media check part now. I installed fine when they said the ISOs were bad (note: haven't gone to 5, I skip every other fedora release now, once a year is way more than enough). I don't trust the media checker thingee.
Simply Mepis has vids, courtesy of Roblimo and his "point and click linux" book. You get the Mepis OS, a DVD video disk and a dead trees manual. A noob kit in other words. About as noob friendly as possible, you can be watching the vid he made on the TV and doing stuff on the computer, just follow along with it.
I am a regular with this linux-noob where my mate has been doing walkthrough screenshots for a while. He has managed to get FC1-5, Smoothwall3, Suse OSS 10 and some RH shots too (not all are install shots!).
I really enjoy seeing these, its always helpful to show a new user, you say "see its this easy and here is the outcome".
-- BOO
my 4 year old son liked it
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ZXSpectrum42
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· Score: 2, Funny
You missed the point of the article. With a little help from me, my 4 year old son who cannot read or write, managed to install successfully fedora core 5 with the help of this 'picture book'.
Now i am trying to find another 'picture book' for him because he is bored with FC5 after installing it 5 times a day for a week. I think he needs a new game. For the moment we are waiting for the release of FC6 picture book and the new Harry Potter Comic book.
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i gave my last 2 cents for CentOS
-- 2+2 = 5 (for very large values of 2)
Re:Full Text, In case of Slashdotting
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dhasenan
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· Score: 1
Slashdot Mirror
What are we supposed to look for?
BTW, "The Fedora Core 5 Install Experience" sounds like a Fusion group's name. It probably work geat in Silicon Valley!
I've been running Fedora Core 5 x86 AMD 64 on my laptop since March 20th IIRC?
Looks good to me. I'm a little bummed they removed the right click option for terminal shell and it seems that whenever I do a view details of the boot process my video is hosed once the desktop comes up (ATI 200M).
The add/remove programs only seems to work when connected to the web.
Install was smooth and easy, better driver support than windows XP Pro 64-bit edition (thanks for nothing HP, broadcom, ATI & conexant).
Who will guard the guards?
Insert disc.
Do full media check.
Reburn Disc 3 due to corruption.
Reboot.
Insert disc.
Do full media check.
Install.
Freeze at selecting time zone.
Reboot.
Select packages.
Computer restarts at Disc 2.
Reboot.
Computer gets to the end, Disc 5, 99%, and gives corrupt file error. Will not allow you to recheck the file in case of a bad read.
Take discs, smash, shred, and burn.
Install Debian.
-What I did.
There's not much of a need for ZDNet's Fedora Core 5 install photos.. For all of my RH/Fedora installations, including Fedora Core 5 (over a month ago), I used Stanton Finley's site... His site is much more informative: http://www.stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_instal lation_notes.html
I couldn't shake Jimi Hendrix doing are you experienced as an interior sound track. :)
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
It was about time someone did something like this. We needed something like this!
If we really want to get newbies interested in Linux, we need more video tutorial. A picture might be a thousand words, but a video gives a lot more confidence to people who wants try new things.
I really like the new ASP.Net HOWTO video series. I found it to be very effective to give new web developers head start with the IDE.
I'm posting this even though I moderated, just because the story really really is in need of help. (translation, you get two fp trolls)
The "story" is just a bunch of screenshots, and a link to a blog on techrepublic.com.com that you need to register to see. Once I got into the blog, it wasn't even on the page, because this was posted there April 20th with the following "content":
Fedora Core 5 Installed.....Next Stop, XenSourceTags: open source, linux, virtualization, the hot button, steven s. warren, xen
I just finished my installation of Fedora Core 5. It was a painless installation. I will be concentrating next on getting XenSource installed using Fedora Core 5. The IT grapevine says it is easier to install Xen on FC5 than FC4.
Has anyone out there installed Xen on FC5 yet? If so, I would like to be able to pick your brain if I stumble and trust me I will stumble. Xen seems really difficult to install from the initial reading I have done. I have a sneaking suspicion it is going to be painful. We shall see.
Click the link to view my FC5 Installation Gallery.
Note: You can also see my other Installation Galleries that I have done by reading the following blogs:Note: Here is my installation gallery for Linspire Five-O
That was it, just a "have you done it?" and photos, on flickr no less. It was done by Steven S. Warren though, who was the contributer to zdnet, so it wasn't out and out theft, just quite dumb. As someone previous said, looks like they just posted it to display all the ads on each page. But if you want to see that, there is allways the Printable Version with only 1 ad.
My other sig is just as lame
Looks like a shill account to pimp zdnet.com.au, doesn't it?
While I don't usally agree with the moaning and groaning about slashdot articles. I swear I've read this exact post before. Come on! FC5 has been out for awhile now (and the install hasn't really changed either).
I am d3matt
It does seem like every article daria42 submits here att Slashdot or at Digg.com links to zdnet.com.au. It would be nice if (s)he would be a bit more upfront about that, but there's nothing inherently wrong about it. Anyone can submit anything. It's the editors' job to decide which stories get posted.
Please alter my pants as fashion dictates.
Download ISO, ISO download failed at 100% (This is why I use Firefox and not Opera now), downloaded ISO again, burned ISO, booted CD, ran install, rebooted an hour later, wondered why the fuck the "much faster" GNOME 2.14 was running so slowly then 2 hours later removed it and put Debian on.
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
That same kinda thing happened here for me. I downloaded the images, and burned them to CD, with the intent of using it on my old Dell C640 laptop. Guess what? I couldn't get past the LILO part.
I have been a RedHat fan since 4.2, followed them right through Fedora. *Never* had a problems installing RedHat on any system, unless it had bad hardware, or badly burned disks. In the case with FC5, I was stumped. Seriously stumped. What did they do?
Now, I use CEntOS, and works like I expect.
Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
KDE is broken in the latest Fedora release, which doesn't really surprise me given the fact that Red Hat has always had abyssmal support for KDE.
I think applications like Konqueror File Manager, K3B for burning CDs and DVDs, AmaroK for listening to music, Kaffeine for watching movies, etc are a must for a desktop computer. It's a shame that Red Hat doesn't put more resources into ensuring KDE is usable on their systems.
Anyway, I'll stick with ArkLinux, Kubuntu and openSUSE since KDE actually works on those distros.
No... The story title and summary are redundant. A better title and summary would be:
:P
The Fedora Core 5 Install Experience
A detailed image gallery walks the reader through.
Now that's concise, especially if you leave the link out.
Install porn!
Same here, I completely ignore the media check part now. I installed fine when they said the ISOs were bad (note: haven't gone to 5, I skip every other fedora release now, once a year is way more than enough). I don't trust the media checker thingee.
Simply Mepis has vids, courtesy of Roblimo and his "point and click linux" book. You get the Mepis OS, a DVD video disk and a dead trees manual. A noob kit in other words. About as noob friendly as possible, you can be watching the vid he made on the TV and doing stuff on the computer, just follow along with it.
I am a regular with this linux-noob where my mate has been doing walkthrough screenshots for a while. He has managed to get FC1-5, Smoothwall3, Suse OSS 10 and some RH shots too (not all are install shots!).
I really enjoy seeing these, its always helpful to show a new user, you say "see its this easy and here is the outcome".
BOO
You missed the point of the article. With a little help from me, my 4 year old son who cannot read or write, managed to install successfully fedora core 5 with the help of this 'picture book'.
Now i am trying to find another 'picture book' for him because he is bored with FC5 after installing it 5 times a day for a week. I think he needs a new game. For the moment we are waiting for the release of FC6 picture book and the new Harry Potter Comic book.
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i gave my last 2 cents for CentOS
2+2 = 5 (for very large values of 2)
No matter; it's still amusing either way.
Can I install Fedora 5 on a USB hard drive and boot it from there?
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
Flaimbait? Guess some fedora people with points got pissed about the truth.
I was bugged by the absence of the "Install Everything" option.