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Cancer Resistant Mouse Provides Possible Cure
Evoluder writes to tell us that scientists at Wake Forest University have found a "cancer resistant mouse" and bred it to make a small army of cancer resistant mice. When transplanting blood from one of these mice to a normal non-resistant mouse they are able to provide "lifetime cancer protection". From the article: "The cancer-resistant mice all stem from a single mouse discovered in 1999. "The cancer resistance trait so far has been passed to more than 2,000 descendants in 14 generations," said Cui, associate professor of pathology. It also has been bred into three additional mouse strains. About 40 percent of each generation inherits the protection from cancer."
but mortally susceptible to the common cold.
We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others
will skip the line you expected here and get right to the point: INVINCIBLE MICE ARMY?!?
Will this cure cancer in rats? Because, EVERYTHING causes cancer in rats!
I'll take a carton of cigarettes and a shot of mouse blood.
I don't have a specific answer to your question, but I do know that it all tastes good to me.
Er, gives us a soul? I wasn't aware that the 'soul' was part of our DNA sequence, care to enlighten us heathen atheists as to what scientiffic observations led you in this direction? Also, if my soul is damaged, can I get a transplant donor soul?
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See PNAS, vol. 103, no 20, p7753-7758. VERY interesting work.
It's even worse. Apparantly the cancer resistant gene was found on the 3rd button. Mac users are hosed.
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How good is this really?
(Assuming this is true, it is a wonderful step.)
So the mouse is a cylon?
I mean, a'doy. Dr Baltar already figured this out. It cured President Rosylin's cancer, after all.
Thats a brilliant idea.
Why dont you email them and suggest it?
Reading between the lines of your analysis, I think youre saying there could be a real future application for it.
Like I dunno...curing cancer maybe?
The media is quick to call things like this a cure. The fact remains that, with some exceptions, men are not mice. Back in the late 90s, angiogenesis inhibitors (a class of drugs that inhibit the growth of new blood vessels, needed by tumors to provide nourishment as they grow) were being tested with amazing success in mice, preventing the spread of almost every form of cancer. It was hailed as the coming cure.
Some angiogenesis inhibitors have proven to be very helpful in treating cancer, but they are not a cure. They aren't nearly as effective in humans as they were in mice, it appears.
I'm always skeptical (and you should be too), when you hear about something that isn't even in clinical trials, as a possible cure for some disease people get. People simply don't respond the same as mice.
That said, this does look promising as an avenue, but I wouldn't go out and take up smoking just yet.
Okay, let's think about this for a second.
A cancerous cell is one that doesn't know when to quit. It is outside the normal cell cycle, and not listening to every cell's built in death trigger. Forvige my lack of specific biology terminalogy.
So these mice are "cancer-resistant"? When exposed to carcenigous, do they ignore them? When exposed to massive ammounts of UV light, do they tan but not burn? Do they burn but not get skin cancer? If you clogged thier lungs with cig smoke, would they develop a cough but not cancer?
How the frak does this work? Are the little mice cells just really tuned into thier death trigger? When a cell mutates enough that it doesn't listen to it's death trigger, it is a cancer. Are these mice just impervious to cell mutation?
If so, wouldn't that make them an evolutionary dead end? Cancer, while bad, is a by-product of evolution. If cells weren't allowed to ever mutate again, would that spell the end of mice evolution? And if we impart that "cancer-immunity" to we humans, would that spell the end of evolution?
By all means, someone correct what I have wrong. Biology was never my strong suit. (Nor is spelling)
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"The cancer resistance trait so far has been passed to more than 2,000 descendants in 14 generations"
If you cure cancer, you get laid.
"can I get a transplant donor soul?"
Yes.
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they are able to provide "lifetime cancer protection"
:)
I see, so the protection lasts right until they die... from cancer. I think Aleve can do this just as well
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Richard Gere is all smiles and breathing a sigh of relief.
Thinking of a "cancer gene" is misleading. Imagine a net of rubber bands all knotted togethor. Changing one gene will "stretch a rubber band" differently possibly affect all the other aspects of the organism, often unpredictably.
This cancer gene could be the one that also gives humans a soul. We can't tell with a mouse, of course, because they only speak in pips and squeaks, but scientists should know all the risks involved with creating such a possible genetic enhancement.
You're a moron, Mr. Rifkin. Seriously, though, this is the type of comment that lies outside of answering, outside of science, and beyond reason. You can't win an argument with someone like this, and it's not even worth trying. It's a religious matter. For much of human history, such thoughts set the policies of governments. Then, we discovered reason and science. But the pendulum seems to swinging back the other way again.
The old warfrin poison trick still works, don't worry. Plus we could just breed an army of cancer resistant snakes to take care of the mice.
Oh...
Oh You POS
They say that if you turn up with cancer you'd be well advised to be a mouse, since the treatments work so much better.
Telomerase structure has been identified.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4698264.stm
> The old warfrin poison trick still works, don't worry. Plus we could just breed
> an army of cancer resistant snakes to take care of the mice.
> Oh...
must... resist... can't...
cancer-resistant mongooses for the snakes
cancer-resistant gorillas to rid us of the mongooses
cancer-resistant tigers to attack the gorillas
cancer-resistant elephants to take care of the tigers
and cancer-resistant mice to scare the elephants
lather, rinse, repeat
Well as terrified as I am about the "cancer gene" messing with the "soul gene", I'm willing to take the chance. Oh and last I checked, neurobiology has made some headway in cracking this whole "soul mystery" thing. Turns out that human individuality might actually be created by something called a "long interspersed nuclear element". A lot less handwaving than a "soul gene". LA Times has a rather extensive article on it and although the LINE is similar to a gene it's considered a precursor...
Assuming that this article isn't completely incorrect, I'd say it's pretty safe to say that we'll have trouble fucking it up. It exists in every mammal [including mice] and has existed for well over 600 Million years. Fun read on a fascinating topic.
A better question would be "Are there cancer resistant humans and we don't know about it?"
I know that that there are no cancers on my mother's side of the family despite heavy smoking , coal mining and high-risk lifestyles. Perhaps there is cancer resistant strains of humans and we just don't know about it.
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
This cancer gene could be the one that also gives humans a soul.
Hmm, lessee.. no cancer in my lifetime in exchange for something I've never had any use for. Man, hard choice.
Ch-ching!
Next week, maybe I'll get to trade group sex for herpes.
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C'mon, man - everybody knows whities ain't got the soul gene.
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As exciting as this sounds, it's probably not going to lead to a pancea for cancer in humans. We've cured cancer in mice several times over since the 70s. The problem is that mice are a short-lived species that has very little innate resistance to cancer. After all evolution is not going to have an organism waste lots of energy repairing DNA damage and having pools of immune cells constantly checking for mutant cells if the organism is just going to get eaten by a cat in an average of a few months after birth.
By contrast, humans are a very long-lived animal species. Our bodies already have a large number of cancer-prevention mechanisms that simply aren't present in mice. Take for example telomeres. The telomere ends of chromosomes shorten with each cell replication other than gamete formation. All your cells have what is known as the 'Hayflick limit' where the telomeres get too short, the chromosomes become unstable and the cell dies. Although this mechanism is probably one of the contributors to human aging, it also does a very good job of eliminating many tumors. Most of your tumors hit the Hayflick limit and simply die off before they can present a threat to you. Virtually all human cancers either mutate so as to find a way to reactivate the telomerase that re-lengthens the telomeres or manages to find a way to preserve their telomere ends through chromosomal recombination. Mouse cells, by way of contrast, have huge telomeres which never get short enough to act as this sort of cancer-prevention mechanism.
As a result human tumors are much 'tougher' than mouse tumors. The average mouse tumor wouldn't stand a chance in a human. Any tumor that manages to thrive in a human has had to jump a host of hurdles and checkpoints that no mouse tumor does in order to simply survive.
The problem is that many of these cancer cures in mice already exist in humans naturally. Some of these cures (such as this one, most likely) are simply reactivation of vestigial anti-cancer systems in the mice that have atrophied for the above-mentioned reasons. Others are cancer treatments that attack weaknesses in mouse tumors that are simply irrelevant in human ones. I suspect that this super mouse is simply being more human with regards to cancer and that the end result is that we'll rediscover something our bodies already do.
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There are two different ways to do this.
The first is by expression profiling- looking at difference in gene expression. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_chip This will actually give you a readout of how the two cells are different in terms of how they use different genes to express their differences.
The other is positional cloning. You basically breed a resistant mouse with a non-resistant mouse to get an F1 intercross. If you are dealing with inbred mice, these are genetically identical but each chromosome is different- one from mom and one from dad. You breed this generation with eachother to get an F2 intercross and then phenotype the offspring (are they resistant to cancer?) and then genotype them (what are their genetic differences?). Genes undergo semi-random reassortment through cross-over events and all offspring in the F2 incross have a random sprinkling of genes from mom and dad. You then do linkage analysis to find out which genetic differences are most closely linked to the phenotype you are looking for.
Fantastic! I am very excited about this development. Will there be an ergonomic model released to prevent me from getting RSI, too? Perhaps a cancer-resistant trackball is in order.
... oh. Nevermind.
We may actually be doing the experiment and not looking at the results.
The article states that if an immune mouse gives white blood cells to a mouse with cancer the second mouse gets better.
If we assume the same mutation exists in humans, we just need to do a statistical analysis of humans who have had spontaneous permanent cancer remissions after receiving a blood donation.
A few more tests and we could cure a lot of cancer.