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Super Smash Brothers Wii, Featuring Solid Snake

mcc writes "In a surprise news conference this evening, Nintendo unexpectedly revealed Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Nintendo Wii, and released a promo video of the title. Smash Bros. Brawl will feature online play; a Nintendog item that blocks your view of the playfield by jumping up on the screen and demanding to be petted; bizarre Dragonball Z style superattacks; your choice of traditional Gamecube or motion-sensing Revmote control; and new characters in the form of Samus (without the suit), Meta Knight, Kid Icarus (!), and... Konami's Solid Snake, complete with a cardboard box he hides in. The only bad news is despite earlier reports it would be a launch title, Smash Bros. Brawl will not be out until 2007."

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  1. Favorite Character Submission Contest by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the Wikipedia article on it:
    Japanese fans are currently being asked to submit their desired characters and themes to Nintendo's website, the most popular of which will be incorporated into the game. It is currently unknown if this will eventually be opened for overseas fans as well.
    The site where you can vote (Japanese only I guess) and the IGN article on it.

    The XBox 360 had a mild welcome in Japan ... Is Nintendo playing favorites in order to win a solid monopoly on the Japanese market?

    Maybe I'm just jealous. I want to vote for Bub & Bob (Bubble Bobble) as a counter pair to fight those damned Ice Climbers!
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    1. Re:Favorite Character Submission Contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Mild welcome"?!?
      I would call it total disaster!

      Numbers of sold hardware in Japan last week.

      DSL 225,835 / 1,222,381
      DS 42,695 / 818,519
      PSP 40,884 / 682,606
      PS2 29,837 / 559,816
      GBASP 8,225 / 120,083
      GBM 5,034 / 85,501
      ==> Xbox360 2,845 / 44,124 ==
      GC 1,126 / 45,880
      GBA 69 / 2,521
      Xbox 29 / 1,402

      I don't know where you get your delusions from, laserbrain :)

    2. Re:Favorite Character Submission Contest by Turken · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I definitely agree with Sonic. As someone mentioned below, we could finally settle the 8/16 bit mascot grudge for good.

      Bonk is another good choice. Pac man is a little more questionable. Without any limbs, it severely limits the possible attacks ha can do. Seriously, how many ways could one character eat another? Same goes for Q-bert. His only original move is the hop, and touching anything killed him, I just don't see him as a brawler.

      Megaman, though, would be a lot of fun. While his arm cannon may make him too much like Samus, it would be great to give him a dozen or so "stolen" weapons to work with as well.

    3. Re:Favorite Character Submission Contest by lolocaust · · Score: 3, Funny

      I really really want the "L" shaped Tetris block. Pleeeease Nintendo, please add the L block!

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  2. Trailer ! by JaffaKREE · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Trailer ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      E3: the chatlog
      Sony: Woo! Check out the PS3! It pushes squillions of polydandries!
      Audience: That's nice, but we've heard that before.
      Sony: Well I guess you aren't interested in MGS4 then?
      Audience: Wooh! Rock on MGS4!
      Sony: And check out our new controller. It's like our old controller, but it has tilt sensors, but not like those crappy Nintendo sensors, ours are EXTREEMME!
      Audience: Wait what? What about the Baterang?
      Sony: And the best part? The console's not only the biggest of the next gen consoles, but it's the most expensive!
      Audience: WTF?!
      Sony: And! If you pay a measly $100 more, you can get the version that doesn't suck!
      Audience: Fuck you.
      Sony: Screw you guys too then, you'll be begging to mortgage your house for Blu-ray one day!
      *Sony has left #E3
      *Nintendo has joined #E3
      Nintendo: Wiiiiiii!!!
      Audience: Wiiii?!
      Nintendo: WIIIIIIIIII!!!!
      Audience: Wii!!
      *Nintendo does cool shit with their 'gimmicky' controller
      Audience: Man that looks fun
      *Nintendo is Away
      *Microsoft has joined #E3
      Microsoft: We were kinda worried about Sony, but now... I don't even know if we need to show Halo 3
      Audience: Wooo! Halo 3!!
      Microsoft: Cool.
      *Nintendo is back
      Nintendo: So I hear you like Metal Gear
      *Nintendo surprises everyone and puts Snake in a SSBB
      Audience: WTF Holy Shit wowo!

      - We are here -

    2. Re:Trailer ! by Jerf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nintendo: Wiiiiiii!!!
      Audience: Wiiii?!
      Nintendo: WIIIIIIIIII!!!!
      Audience: Wii!!


      Ever since the name was announced, I've had this odd compulsion to visit several local gaming stores, run inside and shout something to the effect of "Wiiiiiiii! Wiiiiiii! Wiiii? Wiii! Wii wii wii wii wii wii wii! Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!" Also, during the first couple of "Wiiiiiii!"s, I'm running around the store using my arms as airplane wings.

      I haven't done it yet, but the temptation is oddly strong. I don't really have the time, though....

  3. Oh my gods! by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nintendo finally remembered Pit!

    Wonder if we'll get a new KI game on the Wii now...

  4. Controller by magicsquid · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...your choice of traditional Gamecube or motion-sensing Revmote control

    That doesn't seem to be true from what I can see. The following is taken from the article at IGN.

    http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.ht ml

    Under the direction of series creator Masahiro Sakurai, Super Smash Bros. Brawl will feature classic, GameCube-style combat -- not Wii-style motion-controlled combat. That means players who prefer to play the game with the traditional control setup can look forward to using the GameCube control-style they're already accustomed to.

    "We found that trying to implement too much motion-sensory functionality can get in the way of the game. We're looking at keeping the control simple, as it has been," said Sakurai. "The Wii hardware has sockets for the GameCube controller, too. So I'll just say now that you may not want to throw away your GCN controller yet."

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    1. Re:Controller by barawn · · Score: 4, Informative
      IGN's quote is taken out of context. Gamespot's is more in detail.

      Another question was presented to Sakurai. "How will Super Smash Bros. Brawl take advantage of the Wii controller?" The designer said he had been working with different ideas, and had found that too much use of the controller's pointing and motion-sensor functions was not a good thing. He then dropped a hint, saying gamers may not want to throw away their old GameCube controllers, which the Wii supports. Sakurai then said he wants to support the console, but offer something different than other Wii games.


      He's not saying that you can't play it with the Wii controller. Just that it probably won't use many (or any) functions of it. Keep in mind that SSB doesn't really need much more than an analog stick and two buttons, which the controller and nunchaku have.

      And if that's all you use, you could use a GameCube controller as well, if you felt like it.
    2. Re:Controller by Miraba · · Score: 3, Informative
      SSB doesn't really need much more than an analog stick and two button

      Analog stick for movement.
      C stick for alternate smash move and camera movement.
      A for attack.
      B for special attack.
      X/Y for jump.
      Z for grab.
      L/R for shield and air dodge.

    3. Re:Controller by barawn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Original SSB (that is what I said, isn't it? there wasn't an 'M' in there):

      Analog stick: move
      A: attack
      B: other attack

      The C buttons were jump, but so was Up.

      I did forget about grab and dodge, however.

      Okay, that's an analog stick and four buttons. Which... you still have.

    4. Re:Controller by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not entirely sure you can say Nintendo is really in the backseat. I mean, in the last few years, you can definitely say the majority of the vocal gaming community sided with Sony, whereas Nintendo and Microsoft were always regulated to 2nd or 3rd place in the opinions... But on the other hand, when you step away from the hardcore crowd, Nintendo is the ONLY company of the three to actually walk away with more money than they started with. You can argue Sony sold this, or there are x units more shipped, but from a purely financial perspective, Nintendo is still king.

      And if you even ignore profit, Nintendo has a number of good reputations. It's known for products that simply don't break. I've heard plenty of stories of consoles and gameboys getting hit be vehicles, falling out windows, and even being frozen and they still work. Whereas I've had so many complaints of Playstations (1 and 2) breaking for no real reason.

      So, maybe it's unfair really to compare Sony and Nintendo. Over the past few years, it's become perfectly clear Nintendo is different. It's not in the same race. It goes after different demographics with different technology with different goals in mind (In Nintendo's case, this sums up to saying trying to create products that can appeal to everyone but still turns a profit, whereas Sony's business model seems to be to aim for the already tech savvy no matter the cost.).

  5. Nintendo: the next Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Recent developments sure lead me to believe that Nintendo has become the next Apple. They have followed the same path over the past two decades, from a strong company with a very popular product who is rapidly downtrodden, only to wallow in their own despair for years. Thankfully for those who remember them in their heyday, they manage a holy redemption and become leaders in their field once again.

    It looks like they both used the same strategy, too. Both Apple and Nintendo have taken the route of offering trendy, innovative products of a very high quality. While their competitors aim only for the most powerful system (which will soon by eclipsed by PCs in a year or less), Apple and Nintendo both produce hardware and software products that maximize the user's experience.

    1. Re:Nintendo: the next Apple? by barawn · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have followed the same path over the past two decades

      Nintendo's not a 20-30 year old company like Apple.

      Nintendo's a one hundred and sixteen -year old company.

      Nintendo has always made sure to expand its market to ensure that it's not ever in any danger. They own the Seattle Mariners, branched out into the taxi business as well as sex hotels and vacuum manufacturing.

      Video games really made them a household name, but Nintendo has always been worried about being tied to a too-small portion of the populace. Then again, you don't get to be a 116 year old company without that worry.

    2. Re:Nintendo: the next Apple? by minus_273 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Look at the Mac ... these days hardware wise it's pretty much a PC in a white case. About as boring and uninventive as you can get. MacOS X looks nice but is just an evolution (or mashup) of existing systems. Its primary innovation was a focus on eyecandy. The most innovative feature I can think of in a Mac is Expose. The real innovation in operating systems takes place in things like Plan9, Singularity etc."

      before apple what color were all computers? beige and maybe if you are lucky, black. That was the rule.
      How many computers came standard with a GUI in the 80s before apple's? More recently, a unix based desktop OS your mom can use? How about a GL acclerated desktop? a major commercial open source OS with full driver support? how many unix laptops could you buy? did you see people in starbucks running BSD made so simple they didnt even know it?

      regarding innovation, have you even used a mac or an ipod? before the ipod, no one put tiny HDDs on mp3 players. There were HDD based players that were huge and tiny flash players. No one bothered integrating an mp3 player with a desktop based magement system that actually works. Itunes does more than sync your mp3s, it maintains ratings and play counts, album art, lyrics and syncs that with your ipod as well. Listen to a song on the ipod and rate it high and it will show up as such on your dekstop.
      How about the itunes music store. Are you telling me that was done before? with flat pricing? integrating with your ipod?

      sure there are copy cats now, but when they first came out with the ipod, tons of people here were saying it would be a failure (or it was "lame"). Do you remember the surprise when the music store came out? these were all risks becasue they were not doen before.

      Lets not even get into iLife. go use a mac before saying there is nothing innovative. Just because you've never used it does not mean it does not exist.

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    3. Re:Nintendo: the next Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Honestly, these days Apple is more focused on inventing new themes (Super Brushed Metal Pro) and doo-dads (Dashboard) than they are doing any serious usability work.

  6. Giant piles of good news by 246o1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope the Wii does well. This is not because I am a fan of the company (though they've done great work which has brought me much pleasure), but for a more pragmatic reason: I intend to buy one, and want lots of third-party support.

    This is excellent news for people like me, and presumably Nintendo itself, because:
    a) SSB has become a marquee title for Nintendo, and it will be good to have this out in that first 6-months-to-a-year period
    b) this gives everyone an early answer on the question of GC controllers. Namely, on games where it's appropriate, we CAN expect the option of using the GC controller.

    Though my budget for games seems to be much smaller than a lot of the people on /., I think I will be able to scrape up the funds for a Wii and a game every couple months. The way things are heading, I will have a huge supply of desirable games to choose from.

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  7. Samus by name_already_in_use · · Score: 5, Funny
    in the form of Samus (without the suit)

    I know I'm not the only one to be excited about this. right?

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    1. Re:Samus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know how many times I died on purpose in Super Metroid, but I know that there are plenty people here guilty of the same thing.

    2. Re:Samus by Khaed · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, of course not.

      - Signed, Justin Bailey.

    3. Re:Samus by not+already+in+use · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just had to reply, because I noticed your name was very similar to mine. Apparently we had the same frustration while registering... hehe

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  8. Snake on the Wii by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if that means a Metal Gear Solid title for the Wii?

  9. NE2 by hal2814 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it just me or has this year's E3 become the Nintendo Entertainment Expo (NE2)? Seems like Nintendo is the only console company that will come out of this with more steam than they came in with. Whatever they lost by revealing their console's silly name has been nmore than made up for.

  10. Snake a mistake? by mikeisme77 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't get me wrong, I'm porbably as psyched as everybody else that's ever played an MGS game to see Solid Snake making an appearance in Super Smash Bros. But considering all of the MGS games are either exclusive to, or arrive a year or more sooner on Sony systems (including their handhelds), is it wise to place him in Super Smash? Doesn't that sort of promote him/MGS, which in turn indirectly promotes PS3 and PSP (where those games appear)? Of course, on the other hand, maybe it's more likely to motivate the MGS fans who were plannning on buying a PS3/PSP and MGS games any way to ALSO purchase a Wii so they can play yet another game with Solid Snake... I guess I can see it going either way, but I really wish Konami/Kojima could show Nintendo some more love (since that's where he got his start) and do at least ONE exclusive Metal Gear game for the Wii...

    I'm still waiting for Sonic to be added to Smash Bros., so we can settle once and for all which mascot will win in a bar fight...

  11. Re:Wii controller not perfect? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "However, if it turns out that most games are better without the 'chucks, how would Nintendo fan boys justify spending another 200 bucks on a system that is no better than the gamecube they already have?"

    My GameCube won't be able to play this new Smash Bros. game. I ultimately buy game systems to play games on.

  12. Re:Solid Snake? by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Metal Gear has never been a exclusive title. It got it's start on Computers/NES. While it did the Square thing for a bit, the Game Cube has a Metal Gear Solid 2 remake on it called Twin Snakes. Interesting enough, its MSG's own creator who begged to be in SSB. He wanted to be in SSB melee but it was too late to bring Snake on board.

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  13. My God! by the+phantom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wario is the goatse man!

  14. Sure by metamatic · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Metal Gear Trousers", featuring a new character Trouser Snake, controlled with your Wii stick.

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  15. Solid Snake! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny
    On one hand, isn't he a bit too gritty-realistic-violent-combat for the cartoony SSB?

    On the other hand, finally! An opportunity to sneak up behind Pikachu and snap his damn neck!

  16. Re:Solid Snake?! by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny
    The thought of playing this game gives me a solid snake... heh

    That'll make it hard to control your Wii.

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  17. Movie tie-in by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is great. If they could push this out before August, we'd have a perfect opportunity to tie the game to a movie that is completely unrelated.

    What you'd have to do:
    1) Have Solid Snake as one of the fighters
    2) Choose one of the levels where you battle on Fox's ship
    3) Have everyone shout "SNAKE'S ON A PLANE"
    4) Profit/giggle madly

    Jokes aside, this looks awesome. Well worth the wait for online connectivity.

    One thing I don't see a lot of comments about is the "Super Smashes" (my term, not theirs). If you watch the trailer, at one point Mario grabs a sphere with the SSB logo on it, and does a little "charge up" animation. After which, he unleashes either a HUGE flame on everyone, or unleashes a thousand flame punches (I couldn't really tell). Kirby is also shown charging, and then we see Mario in a pot. Link appears to have some sort of mutli-slash that creates Triforce images around the character.

    Most likely, these would all be activated by the "Super Smash Sphere" (again, my term) which would be a very rare item. These look to have a lot of potential.

    Finally, some predictions for other new characters:
    -Waluigi
    -Captain Olmar (he'd control a small herd of Pikmin or something)
    -Paper Mario (he'd have the hammer, be able to turn side ways, would float down)
    -hopefully no more Pokemon

  18. Who they REALLY need.. by rayde · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the characters we all want are Left and Right Pong Paddles.