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Chinese Scientist Admits To Stealing Chip Research

An anonymous reader writes "A prominent Chinese scientist, one of the founders of the chip manufacturing industry in the country, has admitted to stealing his research." From the article: "Chen Jin, a dean of Shanghai's prestigious Jiaotong University and the leader of a government-funded high-tech research project, was dismissed from his university posts this week and stripped of other government titles and perks. The government also said that Chen had been permanently banned from taking part in any government-funded science projects. In a statement Friday, Jiaotong University--one of the nation's elite schools--said, 'Chen Jin has breached the trust of being a scientist and educator. His behavior is despicable.'"

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  1. *faked* his research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    not stole his research.

    BTW I think American chocolate chips can be every bit as good as Belgian.

    1. Re:*faked* his research by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, he faked the research and stole the technology. If you're going to correct someone, do it right.

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    2. Re:*faked* his research by Raenex · · Score: 2, Informative
      "right" can be an adverb too. See the dictionary definition:
      "adv. 3. In the proper or desired manner; well: The jacket doesn't fit right."
  2. No way by cyfer2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I have known, this guy applied government research funding, but developed nothing because he knows nothing about chip design at all, and failed to find any expert would like to work for him, then he bought several chips from Transmeta and Freescale, removed any brand information on those chips, and printed their information on those chips, then showed those chips to the public as their products.

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  3. Re:Funny thing about communist countries by Alef · · Score: 3, Informative
    Come on now moderators. How can a troll like this be modded insightful?

    The Soviet Union was very advanced in several fields of science (especially theoretical physics and mathematics). They were the first to launch a sattelite orbiting Earth (Sputnik 1), first to put a living being in orbit (the dog Laika), first to put a man in space, first dual-manned flight, first space walk, first to land on the moon (with a probe), built the first space station (Salyut 1).

    Just to name a few things.

  4. Bigotry by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 2, Informative
    Do you have any proof that this official did any of the things you mentioned, or are you just making a bigoted generalization about all Chinese people?

    Did the poster claim that this particular Chinese regime spokesman had personally taken part in the destruction of any of the some 2,000 (i.e. almost all of them) Tibetan buddhist monasteries that the communist party's army has destroyed in Tibet since China's invasion in 1950? No.

    Neither did the poster claim that this particular official personally murdered any of the 1,500,000 Tibetans who have perished under the Chinese occupation.

    Do the Chinese people bear collective responsibility for the lebensraum-style genocidal crimes committed by their regime? Of course they do, especially since the Chinese people still aren't lifting a finger to stop those crimes from being committed in their name.

    The active regime officials (who by definition are also members of the Chinese Communist Party) must bear particular responsibility since they are the ones keeping the oppressive machinery functioning.

    If anyone's bigoted(*) here it is the Chinese people who blindly support their regime's ongoing genocidal occupation of China's neighbours while obediently hating the Japanese for having attempted to do the same to China over 60 years ago.

    And what ruffled your feathers here anyway? The Chinese regime's Propaganda Ministry's talking heads are notorious for their ridiculously facts-defying xenophobic and jingoistic lingo but one shouldn't have fun with their usage of the term "despicable"?

    (*) Bigoted | Big"ot*ed | a. Obstinately and blindly attached to some creed, opinion practice, or ritual; unreasonably devoted to a system or party, and illiberal toward the opinions of others.

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    Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?

  5. Re:Hm ... Chinese scientist steals research ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, I've seen it happen. Chinese engineers that simply vanished along with equipment and other materials. Circumstantial, I suppose ... but pretty damning all the same. And no, I'm not going to tell you specifics because I don't have the right to do that. But it happens, it happens a lot, and you're a fool if you think it doesn't. It's our own fault, of course: China has never had a history of playing nice with its economic partners. Our leaders of industry seem to have blinders on when it comes to China ... blinders composed of money. Well, promises of money, anyway.

    Like I said, many countries engage in industrial and scientific espionage but China is doing it on a significant scale. And you can carry on about how China is helping to sustain our technological edge, but you're sorely mistaken if you believe that it is being done with the best of intentions. It's being done because, for the time being, we have something China wants and they'll flood us with helpful researchers until they've mined us out and left us in the dust. I'll take you at your word regarding the number of Chinese tech workers in the Bay Area but I would advise you not to take their motivations at face value. Ask yourself where these people will go once they've learned everything they can about whatever it is they're doing. Will they apply for citizenship and become productive lifelong members of our society? Some will and they're welcome ... but many will simply head back to China taking with them everything they know about our scientific and technological base. The fact of the matter is that we are directly bootstrapping the economy of a nation whose goals and ideals are diametrically opposed to our own, which does not consider us an ally, and whose economic and military potential are off the charts. Maybe you consider that to be a good idea, but frankly I'd rather China be forced to spend its own time and resources developing its own technological base rather than leeching from everyone else.

    And I beg to differ about the Chinese being here because there are too few Americans capable of doing graduate level work. The reason that they are here is that they work for peanuts compared to what an American Ph.D would want for a salary. Corporations (and for that matter our Institutions of Higher Learning) like that fact, and are perfectly willing to spout propaganda about how they have no choice because there aren't enough home-grown workers. When there's a demand for a certain class of worker the system will eventually fill that need, but that takes time. Nobody wants to wait several years to graduate enough new Ph.Ds, or to pay the existing ones what they're really worth. They want those workers now, they want them cheap, with the net result that the domestic workforce has once again been sold down the river right alongside the rest of us.

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  6. China is a capitalist country by ghoul · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whoever gave you the idea China is a communist country? China has the purest form of capitalism in the world today. Its a total Laissez Faire economy Anything goes You can kill people and sell their organs as long as you make a profit. Just because the dictators in charge call themselves communist doesnt make them communist. Communism has been abused so much by dictators that people have come to associate the word with dictatorship. Whereas in reality a true communist state is a most democratic one as everyone is equal. I guess the US population is kind of uneducated as they grew up under the "Communist Threat" which was actually the Russian empire threat. It would have existed even if Russia was a capitalist country. The cold war was a fight between two elites. The politburo in Russia and the New England families who control America's Banking and Government. Even if Russia was capitalist but didnt allow market access to these families the cold war would still have been on. Now the closest thing to true communism as it was meant to be is the trade union movement and social security . So you could say USA is the only true communist country in the world but that wouldnt go down very well with a generation brought up to hate communists!!

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  7. Re:IP "borrowing". by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 5, Informative

    And, what about the US? V-2 rockets. German adaptation of the Dutch schnorkel? US seizure of German submarines because Germany lost the war. There's a LOT of shit (technology) THIS country acquired merely through the advantage of having "won" the war. Moreover, the US is NOT innocent of industrial espionage.

    It is rather funny that you fail to mention the work of American Robert H. Goddard, from whom the designers of the V-2 obtained important ideas. As a NASA web site states:
    Goddard's work largely anticipated in technical detail the later German V-2 missiles, including gyroscopic control, steering by means of vanes in the jet stream of the rocket motor, gimbalsteering, power-driven fuel pumps and other devices. His rocket flight in 1929 carried the first scientific payload, a barometer, and a camera. Goddard developed and demonstrated the basic idea of the "bazooka" two days before the Armistice in 1918 at the Aberdeen Proving Ground. His launching platform was a music rack. Dr. Clarence N. Hickman, a young Ph.D. from Clark University, worked with Goddard in 1918 provided continuity to the research that produced the World War II bazooka. In World War II, Goddard again offered his services and was assigned by the U.S. Navy to the development of practical jet assisted takeoff (JATO) and liquid propellant rocket motors capable of variable thrust. In both areas, he was successful. He died on August 10,1945, four days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Japan.
    Goddard was the first scientist who not only realized the potentialities of missiles and space flight but also contributed directly in bringing them to practical realization. This rare talent in both creative science and practical engineering places Goddard well above the opposite numbers among the European rocket pioneers. The dedicated labors of this modest man went largely unrecognized in the United States until the dawn of what is now called the "space age." High honors and wide acclaim, belated but richly deserved, now come to the name of Robert H. Goddard.

    NASA

  8. It ended differently in Australia's Sci.Fraud case by ivi · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Australia, the [Chinese, as it happened] researcher,
    who felt compelled to blow-the-whistle on her research-
    head (for apparently not performing several experiments
    reportes as if they'd been performed, etc) the whistle-
    blower suffered, but the "bad guy" still has his job at
    University of NWS & may still be involved in scientific
    reseach there...

    BACKGROUND:

    2002: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ss/stories/s53140 6.htm

    "Scientific & Financial Misconduct [re: Professon Bruce Hall at UNSW in Australia]

    The Science Show - Broadcast Saturday 13/4/2002

    Summary:

    This week on The Science Show, Norman Swan presents a major investigation into
    scientific and financial misconduct at the University of New South Wales.

    Transcript:

    Norman Swan: Hello, Norman Norman Swan here sitting in the chair on The Science
    Show this week instead of Robyn Williams, because today I have a special and
    disturbing feature for you.

    Hong Ha: I want my story to be heard by the public because what I have been through
    I don't want my children or any one else's children to go through. I want them to
    admit the faults that they have done: they exploited me for free labour. This
    problem has been going for too long. I want it to be stopped.

    Norman Swan: This is a story about powerful scientists with international
    reputations who've committed scientific misconduct so severe, it could be
    considered fraud; as well as mismanaging public funds where the institution,
    the university in which they work, has been slow to protect staff who've raised
    their concerns. In fact, at times the university seems to have actively favoured
    the strong over the weak. It's fifteen years since the exposure of Dr. William
    McBride's scientific fraud, what you're about to hear suggests that safeguards
    against scientific misconduct are still inadequate.

    [Reading from UNSW Homepage:]
    Why study at the University of New South Wales? The University of New South Wales
    is one of Australia's major research institutions, attracting top national
    competitive research grants and has extensive international research links.

    Norman Swan: The University of New South Wales is one of the largest universities
    in the country with a highly respected medical faculty. A few years ago, following
    Sydney's sprawl to the south west, the university set up a clinical school in that
    area centred on Liverpool Hospital.

    They even attracted Bruce Hall, a well-known Australian immunologist, back from
    Stanford University in California. Bruce Hall is a kidney specialist who researches
    how the immune system deals with transplanted organs. The university made him
    Foundation Professor of Medicine at Liverpool where he set up his own lab.

    With him came his wife, Dr Suzanne Hodgkinson, a neurologist who studies rats with
    brain inflammation similar to Multiple Sclerosis. Bruce Hall hired Dr Clara He,
    a medical graduate from Shanghai with an Australian PhD and post-doctoral
    experience in immunology.

    Clara He: Professor Hall was asking me if I was interested in his new senior
    position in Liverpool Hospital. I feel that could be new opportunity for me, so
    I can design my program. I respect him; I believe we can collaborate and
    make good program.

    Norman Swan: Dr He has her own research group at Liverpool and is also the
    laboratory manager. She's introduced molecular biology into the lab and
    her small team has cloned and produc