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Spacecraft Crashes Into Satellite
Juha-Matti Laurio writes "A robotic NASA spacecraft designed to rendezvous with an orbiting satellite instead crashed into its target. Unbeknownst to engineers at the time, DART's main sensor mistakenly believed it was flying away from the satellite when it was actually moving 5 feet per second toward it, investigators found."
So that's where the minus sign should have gone, I knew I dropped it somewhere!
..., these figures can't be right!`
and an Obligatory Pratchett Quote:
Hex's pen was scratching across the paper.
Ponder glanced at the figures.
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Ridcully grinned again. `You mean either the whole world has gone wrong or your machine is wrong?`
`Yes!`
`Then I'd imagine the answer is pretty easy, wouldn't you?` said Ridcully.
`Yes, it certainly is. Hex gets thoroughly tested every day` said Ponder Stibbons
`Good point, that man,` Said Ridcully.
B.
Every experiment which ends in a big bang is a good experiment.
Well, we answered that question. Mission accomplished!
Legalize recreational marijuana. Seriously.
it's a successfull hit, now let's build that missile defense system.
Well... Maybe they shouldn't have painted a giant bullseye on the side of the satellite.
DART: 50 points
NASA: -110 million dollars
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today." -Isaac Asimov
No, but seriously, this is sad. It takes us farther away from what I'd like to see in a car, namely a self-steering one. I'd prefer one that detects an oncoming truck as oncoming and tries to get out of the way.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
From Challenger:
"Engineers at Morton Thiokol (manufacturer of the solid rocket boosters) knew that the temperatures were outside of the design range of the O-rings. They strongly objected to the launch, but were overruled by senior Thiokol management."
From Columbia:
"In a risk-management scenario similar to the Challenger disaster, NASA management failed to recognize the relevance of engineering concerns for safety. Two examples of this were failure to honor engineer requests for imaging to inspect possible damage, and failure to respond to engineer requests about status of astronaut inspection of the left wing."
From DART:
"Investigators also raised issues with the mission's management style, saying that lack of training and experience caused the DART design team to shun expert advice. They also found that internal checks and balances were inadequate in uncovering the mission's shortcomings."
Not hampered by engineering degree, can tell difference between "toward" and "away from" - will work for same 6 figure salary previous position holder was receiving...
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Offical NASA writeup available here: http://patriot.net/~cary/slashdot/dart_mishap.html
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Made from original PDF available here: http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/148072main_DART_mishap_ov
(I hate PDF's for simple text things like this)
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In a subsequent news conference, DART claimed it did not remember hitting on the target after being spaced out on AMBIEN, a method it used to help it sleep(500s) before its launch from Kennedy Space Center. DART claimed that it got several bytes to eat before drinking a cup of Java and collecting its garbage. Upon introspection DART agreed that, despite its name, hitting on the target showed little Class despite the size of its Package.
...NASA has finally set aside a portion of its budget for the hiring of a trombone player to lighten the mood after each disasterous miscalculation with a well-timed "waaah WAAAAAAAAH."
I know it is fashionable to highlight the usual NASA-related budget cuts but a quote from TFA This to me sounds like an underfunded team rushing to meet deadlines. Or were they just simply unlucky/inept?
If this were really happening, what would you think?
Are you sure? Is that 5 feet per second or 5 metres per second?
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
As long as scientists and engineers are cogs in an organizational structure in which management tells them what to do, they will often produce crap, no matter how many PhDs there are in their midst. This is the case even when those managers were once brilliant technical engineers and scientists, because perceptions and priorities change when you switch into a management role.
This little episode was just another in a long line of screwups, and it won't be the last under current organizational models. Doing technical things can't be done properly unless insightful scientists and engineers are free of constraints on their insight, allowed to bypass the directional controls that management so loves, uninhibited from pointing our core problems in fear of their careers, and totally unshackled from the demands of time management.
Yes, I know that most managers would call this "anarchy", but therein lies the problem: by eliminating that alleged anarchy, you are also sacrificing the best that people can offer, just to make your life easier. Well, perhaps it's stating the blindingly obvious, but making management's life easy is not central to exploring the stars.
NASA's problem is the same one that permeates all technical industries, but in NASA's case the mishaps are just very public. I don't expect anything to change, but there is no doubting what the general problem is.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
From the Feynman report:
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
This all happened on April 15 2005. A better write-up here: http://www.space.com/news/060516_dart_mishap_updat e.html. And here's the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DART_(spacecraft)
The satellite it crashed into was defunct. From Wikipedia: "The goal was to develop and demonstrate an automated navigation and rendezvous capability in a NASA spacecraft. Currently, only the Russian Space Agency and JAXA have autonomous space craft navigation.".
Interesting snippet: "NASA has said the official 70-page report will not be publicly released because it contains sensitive material protected by International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)".
This was planned as a "high-risk*, low-budget" mission and I'm sure they learned a lot. (* I suppose high-risk in terms of likelihood of meeting up with the target, not of collateral damage.)
Unfortunately, the faulty design was due to the screw ups of a private contractor, so there goes your "private sector" argument.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Snore. And out come the free enterprise loonies. The only trouble with your argument is that free enterprise is already perfectly able to indulge in space exploration and, well, hasn't. You can rent time on a launch pad, you can rent space in a rocket. There are many excellent engineering companies who can build more or less any satellite or other space craft you want. But there's no return on doing anything more ambitious than communications satellite. What exactly is the private sector going to do with a Mars probe, say? Sell ad hoardings on the side? (Didn't Beagle II do this?) It's better to regard what NASA and ESA do as a public infrastructure project rather than as competition for private enterprise. The work NASA is doing (mostly competently) is more like building the channel tunnel than a profit-based business. We tried building the tunnel through the private sector, but Eurotunnel has been bailed out by the giovernment and the banks so many times that it's actually ended up costing us far more than it would have done if we'd done it the old fashioned way, even assuming the usual obscene project over-run costs of a public project.
Sort of true. The real issue is that the return on investment is: A) long-term and B) not easy to monopolize. Without the Apollo program, our computers might still be room-sized behemoths. Unfortunately, corporate America is not interested in any return on investment that is going to take more than a few quarters to be realized. And if the benefits of basic research also accrue to a companies' competitors, the company is unlikely to fund the research.
Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. --Mark Twain
Anyway, on a big scary program, here's how these sorts of problems are spotted :
Step #3 is about as important as step #1, because you absolutely cannot fix every problem. There's neither the time, nor the money.
Something else to keep in mind : if I spotted a problem that would surely doom my project, and can't get engineering leadership/management to agree with me, I should share some of the blame.
Yes, Yawn. I'm all for the X-Prize and private endeavors into spaceflight, but really, what's been acomplished? They are decades behind. Last I heard, Space Ship One barely managed to reach a sub-orbital altitude and return safely. This is comporable to what the X-15 did in 1960 and is so far removed from the complexety of a single shuttle mission (not to mention Apollo) that it's totally outragous to think the private sector is somehow doing better because they didn't screw it up.. Actually, they did screw it up, just not enough to kill anyone. Besides Rutan, everyone else is still doing test fire's or has had their unmanned rocket explode on the launch pad. It will be a long while before they can reach orbit relatively safely and repeatadly. Will they make less mistakes on their way there? No but that's ok because space is really hard. Meanwhile, NASA has contributed an enourmous amount to planatary scinece and space exploration in the past decades despite seemingly wary public support and a dimished budget. It really is amazing what they've accomplished. Their paradigm has been rightly adjusted to focus on science and exploration. They pursue one of the noblest of human endeavors (and if you don't understand why science and understanding the universe is noble, well..) and in my mind are pretty detached from political and corporate bullshit and burracracy. To bad some of you don't want to pay attention.
If you think Boeing, Raytheon, and Lockheed are merely private contractors, you've not been paying attention. They are as integrated into the current system as they can be while still retaining the title of "corporation". This is part of what Eisenhower was warning us about - when the private sector controls and influences the public sector in an industry, they become intermingled in ways that do not inspire greatness. And it becomes dangerous for the autonomy of the state from private control.
NASA, while purportedly a civilian agency, is obviously tremendously influenced by not only the military but also those private contractors. It's pretty amazing that Scaled Composited was able to even get a bid in on the recent manned capsule designs - and they almost didn't. Notice that their proposal wasn't accepted, though. Whether it wasn't as good (doubtful) or whether there are other barriers to entry (probable) is up for debate.
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There are a lot of posts concerning NASA, management, the Military-Industrial complex. As someone who has watched the decay of spacecraft operations, I can confidently tell you that much of it has to do with contracting and paychecks.
Quick review: Spacecraft programs contain a number of stages, e.g. design, integration and test, launch, etc. The last stage is Operations. There used to be a day when all stages were properly funded and for Operations, this meant 24/7 console staffing, dynamic simulators, on-site engineers, spacecraft design manuals and lots of legitimate training.
But here's the problem. Prior to the mid 90s, NASA and other agencies used cost plus contracting, and the big contractors settled into a mode where the initial mission budget would be exhausted by about launch minus 1 or 2 years. This is when they would run back to the government organization and ask for more money and after some hand-wringing more money was allocated. Then all of a sudden - poof it's gone. Fixed cost contracting had arrived.
The problem, the big gorilla contractors only know one way to build a spacecraft and as no one likes to change, both contractors and NASA started coming up with inventive ways to defund Operation so they come in close to budget. Buzz-words like "automation" and "lights out operations" reduced console staffing to only the day shift. On-site engineers are never hired - instead "factory" design engineers are dug up IF there is a problem. Without on-site engineering, there's no need for good spacraft docs and simulators and no one to construct legitimate practice exercises. Combine this with upper management's desire to meet schedule, the already rounded corners are shaved even more.
Once formal Operations had evaporated, launch and early orbit was solely in the hands of design engineers, who are not Operations engineers. There's a different mindset between the two. There used to be a day when operation screw ups could be avoided and design flaws caught in advance through legitimate simulation, but that's gone now. Why? NO ONE PAYS FOR IT ANYMORE!
They must have been using metric feet per second.
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