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Techie Fight Clubs Springing Up

Browncoat writes "USAToday reports a new phenomenon hitting some of the cubicles of Silicon Valley. It seems that engineers and developers previously confined to sitting in front of their computers are getting their anger out the healthy way: by pummeling each other. From the article 'Inspired by the 1999 film Fight Club, starring Brad Pitt and Ed Norton, underground bare-knuckle brawling clubs have sprung up across the country as a way for desk jockeys and disgruntled youths to vent their frustrations and prove themselves. "This is as close as you can get to a real fight, even though I've never been in one," the soft-spoken Siou said.'"

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  1. Weenie Club by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Weird, I don't remember Fight Club being about a bunch of dorks in headgear smacking each other with sticks until one of them got a bloody nose while spouting poorly-paraphrased movie quotes at some bored reporter.

    Aside from which, I loved how they worked in this:

    Earlier this month in Arlington, Texas, a high school student who didn't want to participate was beaten so badly that he suffered a brain hemorrhage and broken vertebrae. Six teenagers were arrested after DVDs of the fight appeared for sale online.

    So exactly when did "getting your ass kicked by a bunch of jerks" turn into being "an unwilling Fight Club participant"? I suppose next we'll be hearing about how Ken Lay and company were actually just repeating what they learned by watching "Wall Street" at the executive team-building offsite? Or how the well-abused Zonk and ScuttleMonkey voodoo dolls on my desk are actually just a result of my having seen part of "The Craft" one time on HBO?

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    1. Re:Weenie Club by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't remember Fight Club being about a bunch of dorks in headgear smacking each other with sticks until one of them got a bloody nose while spouting poorly-paraphrased movie quotes at some bored reporter.
      Then again, Fight Club is not real. It's not fair to complain when real life falls short of fiction.
  2. I'm sorry, but... by Kagura · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't this article violate the first and second rules of fight club?

    1. Re:I'm sorry, but... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Doesn't this article violate the first and second rules of fight club?

      It's geek fight club. There is no second rule; only a zeroth, first, and tenth rule.

      Rule #0: You start counting from zero.
      Rule #1: Do not talk about geek fight club.
      Rule #10: Do not talk about geek fight club.
      Rule #11: Only two bits to the rules.

    2. Re:I'm sorry, but... by Pollardito · · Score: 5, Funny

      i suppose you've already answered my follow-up question :

      "what kind of two-bit fight club is this?"

  3. There's no need for RL violence by UmberGryphon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The teams I've been on have always handled stress by Quake/Unreal Tournament/etc. deathmatching. What's the appeal of brawling? Same thrill of victory, longer-lasting agony of defeat.

    1. Re:There's no need for RL violence by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's the appeal of brawling?

      Depends on how big an asshole you are.

      KFG

  4. Unsupport claims by remembertomorrow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from video games, cartoons and movies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor.

    Is this fact, or just poor reporting?

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    1. Re:Unsupport claims by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is probably a fact that "Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor".

      It is poor (though typical) reporting that these types of claims are reported simply as "so-and-so says", but it saves journalist from having to have any knowledge of or do any research in the field they are covering, they can simply find the nearest person with a degree or job in a superficially relevant field, and get a quote, and go home for the day. If they are particularly ambitious, they'll get two conflicting quotes from different experts, to show "balance".

    2. Re:Unsupport claims by feyhunde · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Poor reporting treats it as a fact.

      There was violence before TV and Games and Movies.

      There were farm boys who grew up in peaceful farms that never heard a shot fired in anger or had a punch thrown whom grew up to be Soldiers. There were gun deaths that had nothing to do with Grand Theft Auto.

      The reporter (or more likely editor) is a PC fool whom doesn't realize the simple basic truth. Violent Video games save us from wayyyyyy more random acts of violence then they do encourage them. Anyone whose actually played the things in a bad mood knows what I'm talking about. The simulation is a cathartic. The bad date or club cockteases have made plenty a man hate women, if only for a bit. Killing a whore in GTA lets you get the release and satisfaction without actually hurting a human being.

      I guess too many of these folks are naive and really believe everything is sunshine and lollypops and don't understand the dark sides we all have. The side that comes out when we get cut off in traffic, the side that wants to slap everyone with a stupid answer. The part of us deep down that wants to be a Viking and Rape, Pillage and Burn. Or they might know they have such a side, but their own morality is such that they can not admit such a side exists.

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    3. Re:Unsupport claims by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      The suicide terrorists stole their idea from the roadrunner cartoons. How else can you explain that sombody uses that much explosives on himself to hurt the other person.

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    4. Re:Unsupport claims by nsmike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from video games, cartoons and movies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor.

      Read:

      Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from jocks, jerks and bullies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor, who got the sh*t kicked out of him every day for wanting to be a gender studies professor.

  5. No weapons! by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From TFA:
    Kicking, punching and swinging every household object imaginable -- from frying pans and tennis rackets to pillowcases stuffed with soda cans -- they beat each other mercilessly in a garage in this bedroom community south of San Francisco.
    What the fuck?

    Hitting someone with a frying pan? What fool would take that?

    Using your fists on someone ... that I can see. The damage level is low (unless you're trained) and you get really tired really quickly.

    But using a blunt object? If you're anything other than a spaz, you'll crush a few ribs the first time you connect. Then the fights over.
    1. Re:No weapons! by mepex · · Score: 5, Informative
      Using your fists on someone ... that I can see. The damage level is low (unless you're trained) and you get really tired really quickly.
      Being married to a health care professional and hearing the stories of the ER, I know (secondhand) how wrong this is. Broken orbital bones happen all the time. Broken hands can take years to heal, and hurt like hell (just ask Fernando Vargas). The one picture in TFA shows a guy trying to knee another guy in the head. You get lucky and land flush, you're talking brain bleed, easily fatal. Actually, in my limited time of martial arts sparring when I was young, I noticed that it was the novices and not the experts that seemed to hurt and get hurt more often than the experts. But this was sparring for points, not for damage.
    2. Re:No weapons! by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hitting someone with a frying pan? What fool would take that?


      The same fool, I suppose, that would say "I'm bored, let's find some other techies and start beating the crap out of each other."

      Or, I suppose, that would watch the fictional account of a character that went completely and destructively insane (but who may have, at the end of the story, "saved" himself by shooting himself in the head) and say "hey, let's imitate that."

      Fight Club is a good movie. Imitating because your life is boring is, well, a sign that you need serious help.

    3. Re:No weapons! by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, in my limited time of martial arts sparring when I was young, I noticed that it was the novices and not the experts that seemed to hurt and get hurt more often than the experts. But this was sparring for points, not for damage.

      The experts know how to both hit and be hit (and are better at avoiding the hits); they take a lot less damage than novices, and unless they INTEND to deal damage, they deal less damage too.

      On the flip side an expert INTENDING to deal damage will deal it a lot more effectively than a novice.

      The same is generally true in most sports.

    4. Re:No weapons! by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Hitting someone with a frying pan? What fool would take that?

      But using a blunt object? If you're anything other than a spaz, you'll crush a few ribs the first time you connect. Then the fights over.
      "

      We live in a nation where 45% of eligible voters believe the world is 6000 years old and their kids think WWF wrestlers are quality role models to be emulated.... It doesn't surprise me at all that people are smacking each other around with frying pans.

    5. Re:No weapons! by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Using your fists on someone ... that I can see. The damage level is low

      That depends upon your class and level. I have five levels in the monk class with the shadow warrior prestige class, +3 brass knuckles of the whale, and 18/00 strength, so technically I would deal 3d6 + 3 hit points of damage and with my improved dodge feat you would not be fast enough to parry my attacks of opportunity.

    6. Re:No weapons! by molarmass192 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to a 2001 Gallup poll on the origins of humans, they estimate that 72% of Americans believe in some form of creationism (as defined above). They also estimate that about 45% of Americans concurred with the statement that "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years."

      Supporting link, link, and right from the horse's mouth link.

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    7. Re:No weapons! by grammar+fascist · · Score: 4, Funny

      The experts know how to both hit and be hit (and are better at avoiding the hits); they take a lot less damage than novices, and unless they INTEND to deal damage, they deal less damage too.

      On the flip side an expert INTENDING to deal damage will deal it a lot more effectively than a novice.

      The same is generally true in most sports.


      Yeah, I've noticed the same thing in golf. My father-in-law takes a whole lot less damage than my brother-in-law, in general.

      They play full-contact, though, which I'm told is uncommon.

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    8. Re:No weapons! by Xeleema · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does anyone else hate 3.x Edition of AD&D just a little more now because of posts like this?

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  6. I hate people by bigtangringo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from video games, cartoons and movies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor.

    Dear Michael Messner,

    Please accept this large steaming cup of shut the hell up.

    Sincerely,

    BigTanGringo

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  7. Rubber gloves...? by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
    Ummm, Roger Tinkoff -- you might want to wear rubber gloves befor wiping up some random weirdo's blood...

    Anyway, my favorite part is the two professors eagerly spouting theories about "fight clubs" as though they'd ever heard of this before the USA Today reporter came calling.

    No, my real favorite part is:

    Five-year fight club veteran Dinesh Prasad, 32, a heavily tattooed Santa Clara engineer, said he once broke a rib in a match but never complained to his fellow combatants. He also recently skipped his first wedding anniversary to attend a fight rather than drive to Los Angeles, where his wife is finishing law school.
    Fast forward to Marital Fight Club...
  8. Utopian Nostalgia by GeekLife.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from video games, cartoons and movies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor.

    Hopefully we can someday return to the world where none of thoseexisted, and men never fought each other.

    1. Re:Utopian Nostalgia by linvir · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, he's a university professor! Don't try to lecture him on common sense! He knows sociology! One day you're just walking along the street, whistling some new Eminem song, and BAM!!, he descends from the rafters, slices your head off with a 200-page dissertation on the causal relationship between videogames and violence, and gets like 6000 boners all at once. And that's what I call Real Ultimate Power!

  9. Obligatory. by mattpointblank · · Score: 5, Funny

    His name is Linus Torvalds.
    His name is Linus Torvalds.

  10. Consumerism by oSand · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "You get to be a superhero for a night," Klimanis said. "We have to go to work every day. We're constantly told to buy things we don't need, and just for a couple hours we have the freedom to do what we want to do."

    Yes, buy things like the Fight Club DVD, you sheep. Some people, if worried about excessive consumerism, would stop buying shit.

    Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from video games, cartoons and movies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor.

    Videogames. Always videogames. I'm surprised he hasn't blamed myspace.
  11. "The freedom to do what we want to do" by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "You get to be a superhero for a night," Klimanis said. "We have to go to work every day. We're constantly told to buy things we don't need, and just for a couple hours we have the freedom to do what we want to do."

    And that is beating each other up? Idiots...

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  12. Re:Repetition Club by linvir · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's sad, too, because if people would give it a rest I actually liked the book and the movie.
    You know, you are allowed to like them despite a load of other people being dicks about it. Kind of like the internet.
  13. if elif fi by packetmon · · Score: 4, Funny

    10 REM Nerd Fight Club
    20 REM packetmon
    30 FOR X=10 TO 1 STEP -1
    40 PRINT X;"Oh yea";
    50 IF X<>1 THEN PRINT "!";
    60 PRINT "take that,";X;"jackass";
    70 IF X<>1 THEN PRINT "!";
    80 PRINT "give in!"
    90 NEXT

  14. "Superhero for a night" by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Along the line of the parent:

    "You get to be a superhero for a night," Klimanis said.

    Superheros go out and fight wrongdoing in society.

    Beating up (or being beaten up by) other geeks is not being "a superhero for a night".

  15. Re:Repetition Club by Morten+Hustveit · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am sick to death of Fight Club. People talking about it, [...]

    I take it most people didn't pay attention when they were told the first and second rules.

  16. Re:The first thing about dork club... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I challenged the entire QA department to a Bat Leth contest. They will trouble us no longer."

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  17. Reading comprehension by Profound · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you got "the solution to our problems is kicking each other" from Fight Club the movie, then you must have only watched the 1st 1/2 of the movie.

    Extremists misinterpreting literature for ideology is hardly new, though. These people are hitting each other with heavy metal objects, they are probably addicted to the body's painkillers or the feeling their brain makes while it is being made retarded.

  18. MAYBE the reason Fight Club is so copied... by tetsu96 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...is that the themes in the book / movie really hit home for a lot of people. Sitting back in your chair laughing at the idiots may be fun for the armchair warriors at large, but not everyone has really been tested and that was one of the core themes FC - how do you know what you've got if you never put it to the test? How do you know how you'll react to a fight when you've never been in one? How can you prove you've really pushed yourself to the limit without scars to show for it?

    And talk about a way to find out - if it's either kick some tail or get yours kicked in for you, I think that almost everyone would go into a full on a$$ kicking mode. At that point, it's the better man that wins but either way you're gonna push yourself harder than posting comments on a web site.

    For the office warrior who never got into a fight in his life, I can easily see this as thrilling beyond compare.

    I wouldn't recommend this to everyone, and there should probably be some safeguards put into this as even the UFC has rounds and referees to stop fights when it's clear that 1 person is taking too much of a beating, but I get it.

  19. Re:Repetition Club by Ucklak · · Score: 5, Funny

    I used to like Star Trek until I read about the ladies that are into this: http://www.thyla.com/fan-art.html

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  20. Pictures from the fight by jlarocco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Exclusive pictures from one of the fights.

  21. The first rule of fight like a girl club is... by jheath314 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...you do not talk about fight-like-a-girl club. For obvious reasons.

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  22. Fist to skull ... by willtsmith · · Score: 4, Informative


    You are right that fist to skull contact is more likely to result in a broken hand. But orbital bones can certainly break under contact with elbow (as sometimes happens in basketball games).

    The skull is NOT impenetrable. A properly swung baseball bat can easily penetrate it. More to the point, a properly swung staff or wooden sword can do the job as well. It can most certainly be accomplished with a hammer, but you'd have to be VERY skilled with a frying pan (though you could certainly kill with blunt force).

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/00 0060.htm

    For the record, one punch can CERTAINLY kill if the person is hit in the correct way. The fact that you have not perished yet does not constitute evidence.

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  23. Sorry ... by willtsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Sorry, "Fight Club" was about rebellion and self realization. Same thing with another movie of that time "American Beauty".

    The protaginist (he has no name) is a bitch office worker who subconsciously develops an aggressive persona that manifests itself when he "sleeps". There was no homo-sexuality in the film. The only person who got fucked was Marla. The fact that men were hugging in a testicle cancer support group is meant to be farscicle.

    Quit projecting.

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  24. Re:Repetition Club by Skevin · · Score: 5, Funny

    > ok ok... s/hands/penis/ ...better?

    I took your advice and began coding with my penis instead of my hands. Everyone in my office is avoiding my cubicle now. On the plus side, I finally got other people to stop using my keyboard.

    Solomon

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  25. Re:Dude FUCK YOU for that link by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

    But it's all starting to make sense now, isn't it. The rivalry between Spock and McCoy for Kirk's affections. The older queen bitchiness of McCoy, who feels threatened by the younger Spock. (And now you start wondering about McCoy's nickname, "Bones".)

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