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Microsoft Misrepresenting WGA's Functionality?

Legal Ethics writes "According to an article on Groklaw, Microsoft is misrepresenting what the Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) tool is to pressure people into installing it. It comes with no uninstall, it fails to disclose many pieces of information it provides to Microsoft, and it misrepresents itself as a 'critical update' when it does not address any security vulnerability, although it remains to be seen if it can create one. ZDNet has a series of screenshots so that you can see exactly how badly it misrepresents itself. Oh, and it also checks for updates, so Microsoft can presumably execute arbitrary code on any machine with it installed, merely by making that code part of a WGA update."

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  1. Why punish legit users? by pawstar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And what can us consumers do about it? If we refuse it, we don't get updates. This is punishing us the legit users, while pirates will still be laughing at M$'s latest attempt at stamping them out!

    1. Re:Why punish legit users? by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      RE:"And what can us consumers do about it?"

      swich to something better, nobody is forceing you to use microsoft's product http://linux.com/

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    2. Re:Why punish legit users? by thrillseeker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why punish legit users?

      Because Microsoft has never been punished for doing so.

    3. Re:Why punish legit users? by HoboMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, because switching operating systems and being able to use everything you need is as simple as just installing it. You don't have to find programs or anything, everything just magically appears.

      Switching OSes takes hours of work and it will be weeks before you have everything working properly and the way you like it. Add on top of that possible hardware issues (I never switched to Linux because every time I mess around with it, I am reminded how terrible ATI Linux drivers are and that there aren't drivers for my Broadcom chip wireless card).

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  2. Isn't this a violation of spyware laws? by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    well?... last time some software package was reported doing this it was labelled spyware and the company was prosecuted..

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    1. Re:Isn't this a violation of spyware laws? by agent+dero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're right, a company can be prosecuted for this.

      Microsoft is not a company, go to any state building or federal building in the nation, and find out what they're running. You're talking about a corporation that has settled antitrust lawsuits with licenses and lockin.

      If Sony doesn't get it's ass handed to them for rootkits, why would you think Microsoft would receive any punishment at all?

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  3. huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    do we really need a play-by-play commentary of some jackass installing an update? 17 pages of ads and shit.

    1. Re:huh by BrynM · · Score: 5, Insightful
      do we really need a play-by-play commentary of some jackass installing an update? 17 pages of ads and shit.
      Agreed. I won't even read content from ZDNet at all anymore. 17 pages is insane (thanks for letting me know how many I avoided). Even with blocking the ads and repaginating the article into one page, ZDNet assumes that the format is acceptable to users because the article generates hits. They won't change it when they think "it's still working". I've tried to complain to them as a (now former) print customer of their periodicals for years and a web user. They don't respond, so I assume they don't care. Calling them just leads to the phone-forward-runaround of "I'll connect you to...". They used to be a good company with good content, but now they are just ad whores (like most consumer computing sites - TOM!). /rant
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  4. It's Spyware by any definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    the question is when are the anti-malware community going to step up to the plate and provide protection from this software

    the fact its made by Microsoft should be irellavent, just analyse the behaviour of the application and judge it on that

    communicates unique information at any time to an American based advertising company (msn anybody?) with you the user having no idea of what data and what the implications are of giving this company that data

    can your business really risk an application like this on your systems ? are you prepared for the consequences of letting this program run unchallenged inside your companies infrastructure ?

  5. Re:Sad... by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but they are not allowed to misrepresent its nature or what it does to consumers, that is called fraud.

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  6. Re:ok by nuggetman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the fact it's there, it's the fact Microsoft is not properly disclosing everything it does. This has nothing to do w/ the anti piracy isuse.

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  7. I don't understand... by Donniedarkness · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...why they have to install a piece of software to determine whether your copy of Windows is legit or not. Why not just run a check online when you're doing updates? There's GOTTA be more to this...

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  8. Re:Un-American by caryw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately your sarcastic comments have more truth in them than you suppose. America these days certainly isn't "for the people" but "in protection of big business." Yes, the economy would take a serious hit if Microsoft, ExxonMobil, and other major players were suddenly replaced by free alternatives, but in the long run the economy would be much better off. America needs to INNOVATE and discover brand new ways of doing everything instead of relying on the safe, profitable methods that they're used to.

    If ExxonMobil figured out how to run a combustion engine on water (seperating the Hydrogen and Oxygen obviously) do you really think that they would share it with the world? Of course not! It would ruin their current business model.

    What these super-companies can't fully comprehend, however, is that any little startup business with an innovative can change everything. Innovation doesn't come from big business anymore, it comes SOLELY from the little guy. And is slowly becoming less and less American.

    Every business is futile to innovation. There is no stopping it, only delaying. It must be embraced.

    Sorry, /rant
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  9. It can update itself! by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I read this, I thought, this has GOT to be a joke:

    Oh, and it also checks for updates, so Microsoft can presumably execute arbitrary code on any machine with it installed, merely by making that code part of a WGA update.

    Where did WGA come from? Auto Updates. What does Auto Updates do? Downloads executable code and makes it a part of your Windows OS.

    "Shocking facts" like those really put Slashdot editors low in my eyes.

    1. Re:It can update itself! by zoney_ie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't use auto updates, so at least in theory, Microsoft can't do such a thing to me at present.

      However, if I install this, I have no choice (leaving hacking it aside) but to give Microsoft that capability. It is not removable (through ordinary means), and allows Microsoft access to your machine in an even less transparent way than fully automatic updates.

      This is definitely a large step beyond automatic updates, and is far more sinister.

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  10. Even more fun when it breaks by Ada_Rules · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A few weeks ago, one of my computers started claiming it was a pirated version of windows. Seemed odd since it is more than a year old and has been claiming it was a valid copy all of this time.

    I poked around trying to figure out what was wrong.. Didn't see anything. I clicked the "get legal" or whatever it says button at login but nothing ever happened. I eventually remembered that this particular computer had locked up on reboot the week before on a Tuesday and thought perhaps it had something to do with the latest updates from MS. I uninstalled the last few updates I could find. Rebooted, reinstalled them and eventually everything came back to normal and no more complaints about an illegal copy.

    I hope this never happens to aunt Tilly. I wonder when XP will really be ready for the desktop.

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    1. Re:Even more fun when it breaks by pimpimpim · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I hope this never happens to aunt Tilly. I wonder when XP will really be ready for the desktop.

      And if it happens to aunt Tilly, you'll be the one spending part of your free time to fix it. Is this taken into account for in the Total Cost of Ownership studies of Microsoft? XP is not ready for the desktop. From windows 98 it "advanced/regressed" to something that has less direct stability issues is more complicated to maintain as a whole. Furthermore it has lots of amazingly distracting features, just these pop-up balloons that mention if a network cable is plugged/unplugged, an upgrade should be installed or whatever. Most non-tech people I know really start panicking when these things occur. Actually a friend told me once that out of nothing she got a pop-up saying that an update had been installed, and the computer needed to be rebooted. I tried to find out afterwards what it could have been, it might have been a malicious website, program, or something legitimate. Normal "desktop users" have lots of troubles handling all this crap, and even the techies have.

      I don't own OS X, but from what I've seen of it it's probably the closest to "OS ready for the desktop" as you can get. The most elegant thing of it all is how you can combine easy and consistent GUI interfaces with command lines for solutions that need more coding. Genious!

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  11. Re:Better... by hackwrench · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish people would quit acting as if anything was unqualifiably better. Life consists of trade-offs but to hear some people talk, life would just be a bowl of cherries if one were to just do this or that... Sheesh... Yes, Linux is better in some ways, but there's that trade-off thing at work there.

  12. Re:Un-American by slashflood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know that http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/ is satire? If not, you should have read the "meaning and purpose" page. It is gone now, but you can still find a lot of references here.

  13. Re:Bypass & Disable Genuine Windows Validation by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As of, I don't know when, the above hack is no longer working. I found this out by trying it before following the link to mydigitallife.info, which says, well, what I've just said:
    Latest Update: The patch no longer working. For complete listing of more ways to bypass the new WGA update, check it out here.
    The stuff about renaming/disabling wgatray also seems to be redundant now.
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  14. Re:Better... by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes. You trade off some functionality and eye candy for freedom. Any takers?

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