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Icy-Flo - The solution to this summer's heat

Steve Kerrison writes "Desperate times call for desperate measures, but I'd like to think of this as more of an exercise in cunning. It's hot, but I'm not, thanks to an Icy-Box and a Panaflo. This was nearly categorised as hardware hacking, but then the only 'hacking' required was the removal of four thumb-screws."

145 comments

  1. IDGI by dk-software-engineer · · Score: 1, Redundant

    So he set up a fan? What's the point, that it's from a computer?

    1. Re:IDGI by ateves · · Score: 1

      maybe it's so interesting because most nerds use those fancy USB fans. Dunno, I don't get it, too. For my pleasure this thing does not provide enough power, it's 37C in here.

    2. Re:IDGI by unts · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow, I really didn't expect the Slashdot editors to accept my submission of this. Still, this is what happens when you can't be arsed to go out and buy some proper cooling. Take it at face value folks, it's just a bit of light humour! I'll just sit here staying cool.

    3. Re:IDGI by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 4, Funny

      Take it at face value folks

      So, retarded then?

    4. Re:IDGI by limegreen · · Score: 1

      It's slashdotted, for sure.

    5. Re:IDGI by flumps · · Score: 2, Funny

      There seems to have been a problem with the database.
      Please try again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser.

      An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, whom you can also contact if the problem persists.

      We apologise for any inconvenience.

      Oops does that mean when I pushed refresh 1000 times they'll get 1000 emails?

      Heheheh.

      *clickclickclickclick*

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    6. Re:IDGI by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 1

      Here in Atlanta, over the long Memorial Day weekend, both of our house's central air conditioning units died, just in time for the first batch of 90F+ degree days of the year. The only thing that made my computer room even slightly habitable was hooking up a pair of 120mm case fans to the external molex connector that Antec thoughtfully added to my computer's PSU (why they no longer offer that as an option is a mystery to me). So you have my complete sympathies, even as I declare victory thanks to the fact that I was able to set up two case fans to your one. Ha!, W00t, pwn3d, etc.

    7. Re:IDGI by unts · · Score: 1

      I am humbled.

    8. Re:IDGI by Chris+whatever · · Score: 1



      Shit a ten year old would of at least put neon lights and a mp3 somewhere in there.

      was the guy drunk or what?

    9. Re:IDGI by limegreen · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up funnier, but I've already commented. Keep on clicking!

    10. Re:IDGI by dk-software-engineer · · Score: 1

      Parent us currently "40% Redundant" - how can first post be redundant? Wait, I'm complaining about the moderators, now that's redundant. :)

  2. A bit low tech... by md81544 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Er... it's called a fan... I was at least hoping for something more high-tech, like Peltiers and stuff :)

    1. Re:A bit low tech... by Lectrik · · Score: 1
      Er... it's called a fan... I was at least hoping for something more high-tech, like Peltiers and stuff :)


      Geez I was at least hoping he'd use the water cooling stuff, strap one (or more) of those to your core and you'd almost keep cool... except for the extra weight of the power supply you have to carry around.
      Oh and just to make it look cool, put custom heat fins on it and mount them on shoulder pads, then add your neons and some thumpin speakers to attach to your iPodling.
      Note: i don't know any of the names for the water cooling stuff because I've never had to use it *shame*
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    2. Re:A bit low tech... by kehren77 · · Score: 1

      I agree. I had a brief moment of hope when the water-cooling unit was mentioned. I thought maybe this would be used to create cooler air for the fan at least. Was it a slow news day for /.?

  3. news? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Uh..this is news? some guy wiring up an old psu-fan to cool himself? how elaborate....

    must be a slow, slow news day...

    1. Re:news? WTF? by Dugsmyname · · Score: 1, Funny

      The point... There is no point... Next.

    2. Re:news? WTF? by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      " First mate? There is no first mate - this is the good ship Lifestyle! "
      :b

      --
      .
      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
  4. And the news drought continues.... by Mr+Z · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hooking a 5v fan to 12v and using it to cool the user instead of the computer qualifies as front page material? Wow. Slow news day already?

    1. Re:And the news drought continues.... by harrkev · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tomorrow's news: A guy figures out how to use a wall-wart power supply, thereby avoiding spinning a hard drive and decreasing the heat in the room even more.

      In next week's news: A guy puts a cup of ice in front of the fan for even more X-treme cooling. You have to use the "X-treme" because it points out how really radical this idea is.

      Ok, /.. You just took five minutes of my life. I want it back! I even had to go to Mirrordot to see this bit of moronic stupidity.

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    2. Re:And the news drought continues.... by wilec · · Score: 1

      "In next week's news: A guy puts a cup of ice in front of the fan for even more X-treme cooling."

      Just wait until next month when he uses salted ice, in his other "cup" and eXperiences the feeling of his balls getting sucked.

      Oh my did I just endange the reproductive capacity of many jr slashdotters. Oh well its not like this segment were going to get the chance to use it anyhow :)

      sorry I couldn't help myself

  5. Go To Hell... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's a better solution to this summer's heat... with Vista and DNF REALLY REALLY likely to get shipped soon, it should be quite cool in Hell.

    --
    If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
    1. Re:Go To Hell... by askreet · · Score: 1

      Vista wont be released soon. Too buggy still.

  6. Wow by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How in god's name was this article accepted? HE PLUGGED A FAN INTO A POWER LEAD! WOW!

    Alert the media.

    1. Re:Wow by ateves · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't forget he had to remove some screws... This could bring the sweat up to your face on days like these.

    2. Re:Wow by jkrise · · Score: 1

      I think Slashdot's beginning to resemble Microsoft these days... More eye candy, some fancy graphics.... but rotten content inside! To top it all, there's an AMD ad talkin' about the Power of Cool!! Are companies paying Slashdot to dumb-down readers?

      --
      If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
    3. Re:Wow by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 1

      The MS comparison is stretching it. This is just fucking stupid in its own singular fashion. Hmmmm....singular...ity? OH GOD IT'S COLLAPSED IN ON ITSELF GET AWA-

    4. Re:Wow by pioneerX · · Score: 1

      We are currently having some of our few days of real summer temperatures in the UK, that is the news.

    5. Re:Wow by DRM_is_Stupid · · Score: 1

      This is how spam works. Someone mass-sends an ad for something that 99.9% of the audience thinks is lame, but for some reason some idiot buys the product, making the whole scheme profitable. I actually have the external HD enclosure pictured in TFA (sans the fan, of course) which I bought more than 2 years ago - and it sucks. The enclosure doesn't allow the harddrive to go to sleep the entire time it power is turned on, and the case also rattles like crazy. I've seen the same external enclosure marketed under a zillion different names. They must be trying to avoid a bad rep, kind of like how Gator changed its name to Claria.

  7. WTF? by Vulture101 · · Score: 1, Informative

    what is this, an article about connecting a fan?

    whats happening to slashdot?

    1. Re:WTF? by md81544 · · Score: 1

      whats happening to slashdot?

      I thought for a second I was reading Digg... :)

  8. Go buy a (floor) ventilator... by madsdyd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Honestly. That seems to be about the most silly thing I have seen in ages.

    A floor ventilator around the corner from where I am sitting, goes at about $30.

    Smaller models (like the one he is using) goes as low as $10-15.

    If your time worth so little (and remember, the FTA says its for those that _has_ to work) that this is a solution for you, find a better paying job!

    1. Re:Go buy a (floor) ventilator... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Look, I'm an accountant by trade. But I think you're missing the whole point of any hack. It's not about a CBA of potential solutions, it's about implementing a creative solution, particularly when done with excess parts on hand.

      Is this a grade school-level hack? Sure. Is it 'cooler' than purchasing a fan? You betcha. Does the author deserve ridicule? Not at all (though I'll withhold judgment on whoever posted the submission).

      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    2. Re:Go buy a (floor) ventilator... by madsdyd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I always thought it was also about beeing clever, and implementing stuff that in some sense was "better" than what non-hackers would think up.

      And, even applying my most friendly view on it, there is nothing clever about powering a (5V) fan from the (12V) power supply on a portable hd.

      In addition to that, its a somewhat dangerous solution, and it is suboptimal even to the cheapest ventilator you can buy. (Which will most likely rotate, and thereby make the airflow more tolerable). So I do not believe it qualifies for beeing better in any sense.

      But, perhaps I am just beeing harsh because I did not expect slashdot to post such a "story".

      Regards hack value: Last year, some guy posted a story about doing his own air-condition. That was a worthy hack, IMO.

    3. Re:Go buy a (floor) ventilator... by default+luser · · Score: 1

      And, even applying my most friendly view on it, there is nothing clever about powering a (5V) fan from the (12V) power supply on a portable hd.

      No, it's even sadder than that. He ran a 12v fan off a 12v powersupply.

      Hell, when I was 16, I lost the powr adapter to my model 1 Sega Genesis. Unfortunately, all the stores carried were the model 2 power adapters, which supplied less voltage and had a different jack (for obvious reasons). I took a printer powersupply (with the wrong jack, but the right voltage / current) and "modded" it with the jack of another powersupply (that fit properly).

      Why wasn't I on Slashdot? I blame it on Microsoft.

      --

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      And occasionally whores for Karma.

    4. Re:Go buy a (floor) ventilator... by loraksus · · Score: 1

      $30? Christ, I picked up 2 30" box fans at lowe's last year for 8 bucks each and a round one that sweeps the room for under $25 including a piece of shit cheap metal stand...

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  9. I bet by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 0

    ...that half the people who post here complain when its too cold!

    We should be thankful its so lovely and warm. Afterall we'll have to get used too it...

  10. Impressive by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow.. He took a case fan and powered it from a, uh, power supply. But that's not all that impressive. One time, at band camp, I attached a CD-ROM drive and used power from *ANOTHER* power supply sitting in a *DIFFERENT* machine. And once, at a hacker convention (well, at my friend's house really), we super-hacked a a PS2 mouse to work with a USB interface by using an adapter we rigged (well, it came with the mouse actually).

    1. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that as well with a harddisk. It said flash, bang and smoke came curling out of the chips.

    2. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, uh, where did you stick the CueCat?

  11. A micro solution to a macro problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you re-invent the wheel, you should end up with a better wheel. This smacks of the joke that ends with the punchline "Because he can!".

    Stop being so clever, and invest in a cheap pedestal fan instead of OVERCLOCKING A COMPUTER FAN to run at a higher voltage without any guards. When those bearings (which are already commented as being dodgy) give out, if he's lucky, the fan won't sieze and burn up on top of his old hard drive.

    This isn't post-worthy.

  12. article dead already by bobamu · · Score: 3, Funny

    So I have to guess the other comments.

    He attached a fan to an electrical supply?

    All I can say is, as an article, that blows.

  13. OMG Net Neutrality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Either we slashdotted the page or they didn't pay the ISPs premium-access fee.

    1. Re:OMG Net Neutrality! by GuidoJ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or we just found where he took the fan from ...

    2. Re:OMG Net Neutrality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either we slashdotted the page or they didn't pay the ISPs premium-access fee.


      Or we just found out where he ripped that fan.
    3. Re:OMG Net Neutrality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we just found out where that fan came from.

    4. Re:OMG Net Neutrality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we just found out where he got that fan . . .

    5. Re:OMG Net Neutrality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we've divined the origin of the fan.

    6. Re:OMG Net Neutrality! by redalien · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the joke generator...

  14. Real Men... by Curious+Yellow+82 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...would use a superfluid to keep themselves cool. They would also draw upon inspiration to explain the birth of the universe from it.

    Alternatively, I could say, "on another hot summer's day where there was absolutely nothing newsworthy, /. decides to publish something that was born of a jobless geek's attempt to soothe his fevered brow while entertaining himself watching pornography."

    --
    Curious Yellow - getting all Grammar Nazi on the asses of punk bitches since he learnt to spell.
    1. Re:Real Men... by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 1

      ...would use a superfluid to keep themselves cool. They would also draw upon inspiration to explain the birth of the universe from it.

      There, fixed your links

  15. /. effect by Presidential · · Score: 3, Funny

    Okay, here we see uncontested evidence that the /. effect overheats computers. Er, it overheats computers whose fans have been removed by their owners to cool their own paltry 98.6F down a degree or two, completely ignoring the smoking machine whose processor just jumped to that magical 170F.

    I can't even RTFA on this one.

    --
    Whenever Mrs. Fitch breaks wind, we beat the dog.
  16. 7 am and the link has been /.'d to death by RingDev · · Score: 1

    At least it sounds like it wasn't worth readying!

    -Rick

    --
    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    1. Re:7 am and the link has been /.'d to death by markild · · Score: 1

      You know Europe operate in a (read:several) different timezone, right?

      --
      Scully: Should we arrest David Copperfield?
      Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
    2. Re:7 am and the link has been /.'d to death by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Ya bunch of limey bastards! I'll teach you to not use US CST! :P

      Yeah, I should have focused on the time from post to the down time, 10 minutes or less. That' what I get for posting before my morning dose of caffeine.

      -Rick

      --
      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  17. Should have saved the fan by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Funny

    for that poor little server...

    --
    Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
    1. Re:Should have saved the fan by Jac_no_k · · Score: 2, Funny

      and the e-mail server. "An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, whom you can also contact if the problem persists." I wonder if every failure has sent off a message.

    2. Re:Should have saved the fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I reloaded the page three times just in case. :-)

  18. whoopsies, type-o by RingDev · · Score: 1

    or "reading" either! I type good.

    -Rick

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    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  19. Get a swamp cooler by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    Unless the air is really humid where you are, it'll work a lot better than a normal fan, and for pretty much the same price. If you have the luck of living in a dry climate, then it'll work really well.

  20. This reminds me by iogan · · Score: 3, Funny

    of this fine article..

    1. Re:This reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key difference is that the article you're linking is clearly a joke, and a fairly cute one.

      The article slashdot is referencing, however, is meant to show how clever the author is.

      Wait a second... that makes it exactly like half of the "Linux on the Desktop" articles I've seen here. I withdraw my objection.

  21. Pssst... by thrill12 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...this is a secret plot to scare people away from slashdot - it all adds up:

    * stage A: post dupe articles with increasing frequency to annoy regular reader
    * stage B: completely re-skin slashdot to confuse reader even more
    * stage C: post outright annoying articles on confusing, technically shallow subjects to scare the last bit of slashdotters away
    * stage D: ????
    * stage E: profit !

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    1. Re:Pssst... by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Maybe you and I are the only ones that remember hardware hacking articles that actually insired you to try them or got you to think about a new solution... but these days, we get a fan. Plugged into a PC power supply. That it is meant to run off of anyhow. To "cool" a room. Umm. All I can say is the biggest WTF ever.

      This site has all but become completely useless beyond maybe 1-2 minutes of time a day. It is so shallow and lame that I've basically given up. Between Zonk's "reviews" making frontpage news that are the lowest quality pieces of writing I have ever seen, the number of stories tagged "stupid" "dupe" and "oldnews" over the past week, and this kind of crap... count me out of /.'s great unwashed horde until shit makes a major improvement.

      Oh, I almost forgot. oooh, weeee they got a reader to design a new skin for the site because their talentless asses couldn't do it... that was supposed to buy them some time I guess.

      Peace out /., call me when you get your heads surgically removed from your goatse.

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    2. Re:Pssst... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot

      * Include insipid flash-video ads to completely crush the systems of readers who are stuck on crappy boxes at work and who can't disable flash.

  22. Speaking of hot... by markild · · Score: 1

    ...maybe apply the cooling to your brand new, Smoking Hot Slashdottet(tm) server?

    Seriously.. When will people start posting links in coral cache or something?

    --
    Scully: Should we arrest David Copperfield?
    Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
  23. Mirrordot link by Mini-Geek · · Score: 2, Informative
    --
    do {print "Mini-Geek Rules!\n";}
    until ($TheEndOfTheWorld);
  24. PS: by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 1, Funny

    I tagged this one "pseudozonk"

  25. Refresh? by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Funny

    The hack seems really simple:
    "Please try again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser."

    I did, but I don't feel more refreshed really. What am I doing wrong?

    --
    Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
    1. Re:Refresh? by Dues · · Score: 1

      You need to clear out your cache too. May I recomend Exlax?

  26. unbelievable by Potor · · Score: 0

    thanks. now i know that the announcement of this "hack" on /. is even more pathetic than i feared possible ...

  27. Moderate submissions? by Gothmolly · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Any way we can moderate this entire story into the "-1!!1111!uno!!, Stupid" category?

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  28. Simplicity of design... by gedeco · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...is a trademark of real genius.

    This guy has made a trademark violation.

  29. I wonder if it cools his "Technical Staff"? by nachmore · · Score: 1

    ok... so it was a simple hack (the site is officially slashdotted so I can't see what he did exactly) - give him a break :)

    What I want to know is whether or not it's cooling off his Technical Staff - who must be getting a slashdotted size of email!

    An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, whom you can also contact if the problem persists.
    1. Re:I wonder if it cools his "Technical Staff"? by pla · · Score: 1

      ok... so it was a simple hack (the site is officially slashdotted so I can't see what he did exactly) - give him a break :)

      Not having seen the page, you missed just how simple of a "hack" he did.

      He plugged...

      A 12cm DC fan...

      Into...

      A DC power supply.

      Nothing more. End of hack. Still think we should cut the FP poster some slack on this one?

    2. Re:I wonder if it cools his "Technical Staff"? by nachmore · · Score: 1

      hmmm... I see your point.

      Next up: How I connected my computer speakers (drum roll...) to my mp3 player so that I could listen to music without headphones!

    3. Re:I wonder if it cools his "Technical Staff"? by Freexe · · Score: 1

      I have a Samsung mp3 player (that is charged using a USB cable) and a usb speaker.

      If someone could show me to get the speaker to run off the mp3 battery so I don't need my laptop about to listen to music I would be grateful.

      --
      "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
    4. Re:I wonder if it cools his "Technical Staff"? by xenn · · Score: 1
      Next up: How I connected my computer speakers (drum roll...) to my mp3 player so that I could listen to music without headphones!

      except in this instance it would be how you "hacked" your speakers into your mp3 player.

  30. Now you've done it.... by bmo · · Score: 0

    Hemos turned Hexus into a smoking crater for no reason.

    Quoth the Hexus:

    "There seems to have been a problem with the database.
    Please try again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser.
    An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, whom you can also contact if the problem persists.
    We apologise for any inconvenience."

    I saw the mirrordot. Surely there is more happening in the world than this?

    What about the Abandonware bill?

    Re: OT:What hides behind the orphaned b
    by: ColonelZen
    Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Sell 06/11/06 12:17 pm
    Msg: 379449 of 379580

      The "Orphaned works" Bill HR5439;
    hhhttp://www.techlawjournal.com/topstories/2006/20 060522.asp

    No possible doubt it's an end run on the GPL:

    "The bill also imposes an almost complete ban on injunctive relief where the infringer "recasts, transforms, adapts, or integrates the infringed work with the infringer's original expression in a new work of authorship". The bill provides that in these situations, "the court may not, in granting injunctive relief, restrain the infringer's continued preparation or use of that new work, if the infringer ... pays reasonable compensation ..."

    IOW if MS claims that they tried to contact you while you were on vacation and you didn't respond, they get to embrace and extend your code forever for ten dollars that somehow got lost in the mail.

    It's been a while since I've read the articles of the Berne Convention, but this seems to contravene one section I recall as making it plain that you do NOT lose your rights if you publish anonymously. As I read this article you can easily lose your rights to a work - certainly your right to the integrity of your work - almost instantly if published anonymously.

    Thanks for bringing this up inymical!

    -- TWZ

  31. Linux Hack by Another+IT+Grunt · · Score: 1

    Thats nothin.. I have my smb server set up to all of the heating controls in my apt building. I can make it snow or rain whenever I want.... I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD...

    1. Re:Linux Hack by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      I have my smb server set up to all of the heating controls in my apt building. I can make it snow or rain whenever I want...

      Like Gremlins 2.

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    2. Re:Linux Hack by 42Penguins · · Score: 1

      I know a certain Al Gore that would like to make a documentary about you.

    3. Re:Linux Hack by Another+IT+Grunt · · Score: 1

      He already sent his lawyers after me and forced me to pay royalties or to cease and desist any further use of the "Gore Weather Energy Efficiency Domination Opperations (GWEEDO). It took me some time to hack his system and set up a keystroke logger and hack his system. It was after all really his idea.

  32. Obligatory by LDMackSAE · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I for one welcome our new /. overlords.
                                                - Article server

  33. Wake Up Editors!!! by un1xl0ser · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Seriously. Did anyone read this before they posted it? This article is so bad, it hurts.

    Now that we have solved the biggest problem facing /. (mainly how ugly it was), can we work on the remaining problems?

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  34. Blows? Maybe... by demongeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    But if he connected the fan to a power inverter, would that make the article suck?

  35. Mod up! Insightful, interesting, or funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You decide. The parent post was funnier, more insightful, and interesting than TF(L)A.

    Shame on you, Hemos:=X

    1. Re:Mod up! Insightful, interesting, or funny? by tibike77 · · Score: 1

      Stage D: "ZOMG Ponies!"

      Ugh. That already happened :'(

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  36. Maybe... by Il128 · · Score: 0

    Someone just wanted to /. the site? "There seems to have been a problem with the database. Please try again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser. An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, whom you can also contact if the problem persists. We apologise for any inconvenience."

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  37. Thank god I logged on by Nicodemus101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would never have know that fan + power = working fan My day is complete

  38. Array of fans by RenoRelife · · Score: 0

    He should've made a large array of 80+ cfm fans. Then he'd be cool.

  39. WTF?! by Solokron · · Score: 1

    His room should receive all the heat from the computers that wasted time loading that article. Your little fan won't help you now! Fry!!!

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    30% off web hosting. Coupon code "SLASHDOT".
  40. Not very interesting by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would be better, would be to modify a mobile air conditioner so it actually worked!

    The problem with most mobile ACs is that there is only one vent pipe, which discharges the air that has been used to cool the condenser outside -- the condenser-cooling intake is in the room. So this means there is a continuous flow of air out of the room ..... and so, what with the pressure in a fluid acting equally in all directions, a continuous flow of air into the room. This is likely to be warmer than you want {if it wasn't a hot day, then you wouldn't have the AC on in the first place} and also, some of that air you just spent good money cooling is being heated up and blasted outside! Better would be to have a coaxial arrangement like a gas boiler flue, where the {hot} exhaust pipe is actually mounted inside the {cool} intake pipe. Then the arrangement would work more like a "fixed" air conditioner, since the condenser-cooling airstream would be entirely separate from the evaporator-heating {or, if you prefer, room-cooling} airstream.

    You probably could do all this with Peltier Effect devices {dry heat pumps}. In which case, you would need to attach two lumps of metal with large surface areas {heat sinks from your nearest electronic components store fit this description nicely .....}, one to each side of the device; separate them by means of the best thermal insulation you can get, and blow fans over each. Circulate air from the room over the cold side, and air from outdoors over the hot side. You will also need to shut off the current every so often, in order to allow the cold side to de-ice.

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    1. Re:Not very interesting by Eivind · · Score: 1
      Better would be to have a coaxial arrangement like a gas boiler flue, where the {hot} exhaust pipe is actually mounted inside the {cool} intake pipe.

      What would be the benefit of this over two pipes side-by-side ? Your exhaust-air would get a little cooler, your intake-air a little warmer. But that's exactly the oposite of what you want....

    2. Re:Not very interesting by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Some of the modern ones do have the two pipes side by side, but traditionally the flue of a gas boiler has comprised an outer duct supplying fresh air for combustion from outside the building, with an inner duct discharging waste products outside. This allows the combustion chamber to be completely sealed from the room. In older appliances, before fans and electronic ignition became commonplace, the inner and outer ducts would present equal cross-sectional areas to the outside air so that any wind pressure would affect both as nearly equally as possible {hence the name 'balanced flue'}. In any case, the terminal would be designed with baffles to minimise any direct wind. As the hot exhaust gases meet the cool outside air, they contract suddenly. This creates a draught without the need for a chimney.

      Modern boilers use a fan to draw out the combustion products {or sometimes, to blast gas-air mixture into the firebox} so the traditional requirements for the flue are less pressing: the fan ensures that there will always be a positive draught. You do get some downward-firing, pre-mix condensing boilers designed for two-pipe installation nowadays, but they're rare compared to co-axial flues.

      Also, a co-axial venting arrangement needs only a single terminal, and thus only one use of a core drill. If you've ever used one of those beasts, you'll understand!

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    3. Re:Not very interesting by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why not just open up the AC unit, and stick the condenser outside, and the evaporator inside, with a fan on each? I bet most of them have some tubing inside flexible enough to handle reengineering through BFI (brute force and ignorance.) If not, you need a lot more hardware, especially to avoid losing refrigerant. At minimum, if you're willing to let the refrigerant out, you need a vacuum pump and a gauge set.

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    4. Re:Not very interesting by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      Why not just open up the AC unit, and stick the condenser outside, and the evaporator inside, with a fan on each?

      Sure, why not. After you've torn apart a window unit, pissed off the EPA by letting the R-22 escape (because you're not going to buy the proper recovery equipment, right?) and bought several tools and supplies including: service valves, refrigerant grade copper lines, fittings, R-22, an oxy-acetylene torch, a manifold gauge set and a vacuum pump, you can easily build (and pay just as much for) what would basically amount to being a ghettofied mini-split system.

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    5. Re:Not very interesting by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      and bought several tools and supplies including: service valves

      Service valves? You list "manifold gauge set" down at the bottom so I don't know what you're talking about here.

      refrigerant grade copper lines

      Bullshit. You really think that's what's in those window AC units? They use aluminum, same as probably every car you've ever driven.

      fittings

      You flare the tubing and use some compression fittings. $10 for the flaring tool. Jack diddly shit for the fittings.

      R-22

      Maybe, maybe not. Lots of them use R-134a. R-134a is practically free.

      an oxy-acetylene torch

      Don't need this for anything. No idea where you got this idea. For heating the copper that you don't need, maybe?

      a manifold gauge set

      $50 or less, look around.

      and a vacuum pump

      If you have a compressor you can get a compressor-driven vacuum pump for less than $50.

      you can easily build (and pay just as much for) what would basically amount to being a ghettofied mini-split system.

      $100 will buy you a dinky little window AC unit. Even IF you have to cut the system to do this (and not just stick it in a window and bend things, which MIGHT be possible depending on the internal design of the unit, which you should be able to puzzle out from looking at the display unit before you even buy one) then it's $300 tops.

      I would prefer not to release refrigerant to the atmosphere, though. If it's 134a (again, I've seen window units that use it) you can just go to a car AC place and give it to them, I'm sure they will take it since it's free. If you had an older R-12 based unit, they would DEFINITELY evacuate that for free, and a conversion kit (with more refrigerant than you would need) is about $20.

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    6. Re:Not very interesting by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      Service valves? You list "manifold gauge set" down at the bottom so I don't know what you're talking about here.

      Yeah, service valves, as in the things you attach the manifold gauge set to. They come in handy like that.

      Bullshit. You really think that's what's in those window AC units? They use aluminum, same as probably every car you've ever driven.

      You're thinking of the fins on the condenser and evaporator. The lines have always been, and continue to be, made from copper. And unless you plan to channel the refrigerant through an ion containment field, you're going to want copper lines between the indoor and outdoor sections.

      You flare the tubing and use some compression fittings. $10 for the flaring tool. Jack diddly shit for the fittings.

      Would this be tubing which you said isn't needed? Assuming you're eating some crow, you try flaring the lines with a $10 flaring tool (let alone a $10 budget) and let me know when you get sick of replacing the refrigerant that keeps leaking out. A good flaring tool starts at about $50, FYI.

      Maybe, maybe not. Lots of them use R-134a. R-134a is practically free.

      Only if you're shoplifting it from Pep Boys.

      Don't need this for anything. No idea where you got this idea. For heating the copper that you don't need, maybe?

      Even if you planned on using flare fittings, you'd still have to install those service valves on the "outdoor" section. Good intentions will only get you so far, you'll still need that torch.

      $50 or less, look around.

      A proper manifold gauge set starts at about $90, even at eBay prices. Might be able to swing a beat up old used one that leaks like a sieve for $50.

      If you have a compressor you can get a compressor-driven vacuum pump for less than $50.

      Venturi vacuum pumps pull a very poor vacuum. There's a reason real HVAC techs carry around multi-stage oil-filled pumps that cost significantly more. Also, if you don't have that air compressor...

      $100 will buy you a dinky little window AC unit.

      ...which has one dual-shaft motor driving both the interior and exterior fans. You can't simply pull it apart and call it a mini-split. When all is said and done, you'd be better off buying a mini-split wholesale from eBay, mounting it yourself and paying a real HVAC tech to do the final-start up. You'd actually end up with something that works properly, is quiet and has a reasonable wife/girlfriend approval factor.

      you can just go to a car AC place and give it to them

      ...they'll tell you they don't mess with window units. All but the largest units are charged and sealed at the factory and most auto shops have never even seen the piercing service valves required to recover the refrigerant. Your average joe trying to do this kind of mod would be releasing the refrigerant with a pipe cutter. In which case, I sincerely hope it's R-134a.

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    7. Re:Not very interesting by Eivind · · Score: 1
      Yeah. But that's rather different.

      In a gas-boiler you *want* to loose as little heat to the exhaust as possible and keep as much as possible heat in. Leaking heat from the exhaust to the intak is a *feature* in such a setting.

      With AC you *want* to loose the heat in the exhaust. In that context leaking heat from the exhaust to the intake-air is a *bug*.

    8. Re:Not very interesting by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      It still doesn't make a lot of difference, because the condenser cooling circuit should be sealed from the room anyway. The intake duct is on the outside to minimise the temperature gradient across the outer wall of the duct; it may be warmer than the room air, but still better if it's only a little bit warmer than a lot warmer.

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  41. Attempting real discussion... by tweakt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the hopes of salvaging this discussion (TFA is a non-story)

    Has anyone tried one of these? The priciples behind it make sense:
    http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/ sku__SI758SL2

    And since hearing about this development:
    http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2005/j ulaug/features/cool.html

    It makes even more sense, though a neck-worn device is more practical for mobile usage.

    1. Re:Attempting real discussion... by igaborf · · Score: 1
      I saw a commercial for this just yesterday. I'm inclined to be skeptical of anything from The Sharper Image, but there may be some value to this. I've noticed when I get really hot on a bike ride, a small amount of cool water on the back of my neck does wonders for my whole body.

      But that thing looks [i]really[/i] uncomfortable to wear, I have to say. Even in the commercial, which was no doubt shot to make the device look as good as possible, it looks annoying, not to say dorky. (Okay, dorky.) I think I'll pass.

    2. Re:Attempting real discussion... by MrDoh1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a "Personal Cooler" from Sharper Image, though it is about 5yrs old. Looking at the picture on their site it doesn't look like they've changed it much. (But I don't know that for a fact so this all refers to my little bit older one.)

      My review: Like most other things that Sharper Image sells, save your money!

      I've used it (or tried to) while walking, while mowing, while working in the yard and in a few other instances, some during leisure, some during manual labor.

      First, I'm not a very large guy. My neck is pretty small in diameter. The thing doesn't hold on tight enough for my neck and it ends up sliding around or facing completely backwards and falling off before I can grab it. This happens much more frequently as you get hot and sweat more. Forget wearing it to play sports.

      Here in SE Texas, I can't even tell I am wearing it. The metal plate that contacts my neck becomes just as hot as I am in a very short amount of time and you can't tell there is any kind of cooling effect from it at all, save for the first couple of minutes you put it on until the metal plate gets to your temperature. (And trust me, this doesn't take long!)

      If it's like it used to be, you put water into a hole in it and a sponge soaked the water up in an attempt to keep it from spilling. Well, just a little too much water and this little water retention system ends up cooling you off inadvertently because it spills all over you. (Hey, at least it has the potential to cool you off, at least a little, somehow.)

      At least on mine, the little fan that spins that is suppose to help provide the evaporative cooling is so weak that I can put my hands over the little vent and barely tell if there is any air moving at all, though its close enough to my ears that I can hear it unless I'm doing something that makes a lot of noise.

      I think it could be made to work, if they have not gotten the kinks out already. The fan needs to be larger and more powerful, there needs to be a real way to contain the water and there has to be some way it can stay on anyones neck, regardless of their size. The principles involved seem sound, it's the implementation that needs work.


      As for the other link (didn't read TFL, just looked at the pictures), I haven't seen one of those before, but based on previous experience with similar methods, I believe that it is also based on sound principles. As an ex-firefighter in hot Florida I can tell you when we needed to cool off fast the best thing to do was run cool/cold water over your wrists. This helped with evaporative cooling on the skin, and if you are skinny like me with large veins close to the surface, it also might cool the blood itself a little.

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    3. Re:Attempting real discussion... by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      I worked in a Sharper Image retail store for two years (in NC, hot summers). We'd sell those only if the customer absolutely demanded to buy it. They were clunky feeling, "worked" in that it made your neck cold, but didn't work because that only makes your neck cold and doesn't cool you off. They were almost definite returns, and I believe that the people that didn't return them just threw them in a closet and didn't bother.

      Here's some more general advice about TSI: 90% crap. Look at a product and think to yourself, is this really outside the 90% rule? Really?

    4. Re:Attempting real discussion... by schlick · · Score: 1

      That research by Stanford is interesting, but I'd like to understand why a $4000 gadget is preferable to sticking you hand is a bucket of ice water.

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  42. Don't post... it's a trap by jamesh · · Score: 1

    I just has to be. I can't see any value in the article except to lure out those foolish enough to respond... ... like me... dammit.

  43. *THE* Solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is to plug in a fan?! WTF?!

  44. It's possible by bobamu · · Score: 1

    and if he arranged one fan to suck and one to blow and somehow put the airflow in a loop

    maybe he could get perpetual motion.

  45. Sorry, no digg by tropicflite · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Editors, you really need to weed out stuff like this.

  46. Heat? Where? by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

    As I sit here in my living room, windows closed and heat turned on, the outside temperature is a chilly 57 degress at 9 am on a Monday morning in Detroit. Normal temps about this time of day and year would be 20 degrees higher. The last thing I'm worried about is my machines overheating.

  47. Slashvertisement by neuroPuff · · Score: 1

    When reading the submission, I was immediately phased with it being more along the lines of shoddy advertising. Tech tips are one thing, but the "ultimate" solution to cooling is Icy-Flo?

  48. Stupidest Article I've read on Slashdot yet by noc007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Granted, there are some stupid articles that make their way through the approval process, but this one takes the cake. Many people before this guy, including myself, have done something similar to get some air moving with parts laying around and not have to make a trip to WallyWorld (WalMart) to buy a fan. However up to this point, no one has had the audacity to post up something this stupid.

    Damn it. I want my click back.

    1. Re:Stupidest Article I've read on Slashdot yet by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1
      Dont you mean
      Worst. Article. Ever.
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    2. Re:Stupidest Article I've read on Slashdot yet by vistic · · Score: 1

      EVAR!

  49. Why can't we Mod submissions? by wyoung76 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Or is this what the tags feature is supposed to allow us to do?

    I can't believe I wasted time looking at this. At least give us something to justify this...

  50. I did this with the thermostat to my ac by saboola · · Score: 1

    When I first got my air conditioner, it was set at a factory default of like 76 degrees. With a little savvy hacking on my part I was able to bring it down to about 74 by pressing the down arrow. I will have a full 10 page blog posting up in a few days so look out for it! For my next project I plan on doing the same thing, but in my car!

  51. A less lame cooling solution by dmatos · · Score: 1

    Someone at the University of Waterloo made their own "air conditioner" last year.

    Granted, the CoP is probably miles worse than that of a normal heat-engine based A/C, especially when you consider the energy costs of freezing the ice, but . . .

    In case of slashdotting, this is what he did:

    Fill a bucket with icewater
    Put a coil of copper tubing on the back of a fan
    Use rubber hosing to connect the copper tubing to the bucket of icewater
    Use a 2nd piece of hose between the copper tubing & the window
    Siphon action pulls the cool water through the copper tube & drains it out the window
    Fan moves air over the cold copper tubing

    If you're not paying utilities, you could even do this with just cold tapwater, in your own home. Or, harvest the waste water for your garden, filling toilet tanks, or whatever!

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  52. Homebrew Air Conditioning by edbob · · Score: 1

    At least this took some effort. I thought that he would at least use the water cooling to provide some extra cooling. This is just a fan. You can buy a regular fan in the store for about $5. For a little more, you can even get oscillation!

    1. Re:Homebrew Air Conditioning by pintpusher · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the linky, it was cool to re-read his stuff and to see that he turned it into an actual report for his ME degree. Nice. I wonder how well that paper was graded?

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  53. am I missing something? by adrenalinerush · · Score: 1

    Since it's slashdotted, you can check it out at MirrorDot.

    But I'll save you the hassle and summarize it for you: he takes a 12cm case fan from an old watercooling rig (just uses the fan, not the water cooling bits) and powers it from the 12V pin of the power supply of an Icy Box hard drive enclosure.

    Wow.

    Lest you think that the Icy Box is actually doing any cooling, it's not. It's just providing power.

    Now why did this make the front page of /.?

  54. Cooling w/o AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one last year(IIRC) with the guy(Canadian?) who got a garbage can of ice water, and some copper tubing which he coiled behind a regular box fan was better. I really can't see hwo this one would produce enough cooling to be worthwhile.

    1. Re:Cooling w/o AC by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      I tried that, it doesn't work very well. The problem is that the surface area of the copper tubing is far too small; if you look at even a cheap AC unit's radiator you will get an idea of how inadequate the tubing is.

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    2. Re:Cooling w/o AC by pintpusher · · Score: 1

      Someone else provided links back to that original article. He's updated his design and even written a paper for his ME. check it out.

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    3. Re:Cooling w/o AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ZOMG

      Swamp coolers for the win!

      http://tinyurl.com/z9g3g

    4. Re:Cooling w/o AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copper tubing far too small? Buy our blue p1lls and get major tubing please your girl!!!!!!

  55. More evidence our uber hacker is really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy gives new meaning to Sun-Tzu's loosely-quoted, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

    Note his placement of the 120mm 12v fan- on top of hard drive.

    That is to say, the EMI/RFI output from the fan WILL cause data loss.

    More evidence our uber hacker is really a lazy moron living in a day dream of self delusion.

  56. What he needs is more power... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in college, we took an oversized dorm fridge and removed the door from it. We then removed the window from its frame and somehow crammed the fridge into the opening. (Yes we lost our deposit on this one...) We sealed the edges with duct tape and stuffed a couple of fans inside the fridge. When we turned it on, it managed to cool the room by almost ten degrees.

    The only drawback is that the beer got warm.

  57. Dumbest. Story. Ever. by smithmc · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, man quenches thirst by filling cup with water, then pouring water into mouth.

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  58. Post the HOW-TO please by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

    Don't hold out on us. I know I'm not the only one with a bunch of PS2 mice that I'd love to plug into a USB port and use. I just need a link to a schematic or maybe you could email me a walkthrough on how you made that work. I'm sure with a few friends I could reverse engineer it get it working myself.

      Seriously, put me on the list before you start charging for that stuff.

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    1. Re:Post the HOW-TO please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since it's impossible to detect any hint at humor from your comment (no smileys, etc) ...

      Step 1: Buy one of the $2.50 PS/2 to USB adapters available in many electronics stores.
      Step 2: Break the enclosure to examine contents.
      Step 3: ... there is no step 3!

      CompUSA has this one. These shouldn't be hard to find at another outlet.

    2. Re:Post the HOW-TO please by heson · · Score: 1

      Just remember that the cheapo converters assume your mouse has builtin ps/2 AND usb interface, hence its just a connector converter.

    3. Re:Post the HOW-TO please by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I have a schematic, but it only works with win-mice.

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  59. Re: Heat included in rent? by treeves · · Score: 1

    I remember some engineering students in college who lived in an apartment that had hot water included in the rent but they had to pay for electricity for heat. Money saving idea: hook up a radiator with an electric fan to the bathtub faucet and run hot water through it to heat the apartment and keep the electric heaters off. ---> free heat!

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  60. Is that really a /. worthy hack? by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

    A few weeks ago, I jumpstarted our car with the power supply for an IBM Thinkpad. I guess I could have made it to the front page of /. too.

    (Admitted - it was not a real jumpstart, since I let it charge for some hours first.)

  61. Yeah, I want my 5 minutes back, too... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    I did something similar to this waaay back in the day, before the internet as we know it today (ie, easy consumer access - Internet Direct here in Phoenix wasn't around yet, it that gives you a clue) existed.


    My employer was throwing away a VERY HEAVY powersupply from an old minicomputer. They let me have the parts, which included some very nice 120 VAC axial flow fans. My apartment was hot (cheap AC system), and I didn't have a means to go out and buy a desk fan, so I repurposed these fans as my cooling solution. These things moved so much air, they sounded like jet engines powering up when plugged in, and had a tendancy to blow themselves over (despite being metal), so I had to mount them to small pieces of wood.

    Where the heck is my /. article?

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  62. Dealing with the heat by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    I've got a simpler solution - I just deal with the heat and get on with my day. (Save energy too!)
     
    But then I grew up in the South before nearly universal aircon and before the age where everyone expected to be pampered from cradle to grave.

    1. Re:Dealing with the heat by edbob · · Score: 1

      You are correct. I deal with the heat by cranking up the A/C! It is the most effective solution I've discovered.

  63. Just did that in my car... a few years ago by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Back in the day, I had some 286's laying around and since my smokin' 486's made them obsolete, I took the fan's out and mounted them in a mobile home to blow cool air around. Going to do the same thing in my car. Big deal...

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  64. Sweet Jesus... by the+new+nael · · Score: 1

    I don't believe this... It's a damn fan. A Slashdot post about a damn fan. It was on digg.com too. It's not even portable. Wire in a battery and you're upto the level of the $3.00 fans sold at Walgreens. Simply amazing...

  65. Digg by Sr.+Pato · · Score: 1

    After a couple of months of using Digg, I've noticed I use Slashdot less and less... until, I'm through.
    This is it. This article was the proverbial last straw. At least on Digg (if you click the link on the
    bottom of the "Instructions" post, that says "digg me!".. you'll see the article in question),
    you'll see how the article stayed where it should. With 3 diggs, and buried for all eternity...
    never to see the likes of a front page. And I got to report it as "lame", and if enough people do,
    it'll be deleted... oh joy.

    http://www.digg.com/

    Join the fun.

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  66. Not quite solved. by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Now that we have solved the biggest problem facing /. (mainly how ugly it was), can we work on the remaining problems?

    Sorry, but IT stories still suffer from a butt-ugly color scheme, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to choose anything different.

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  67. Too many stories to read, this one is too dumb by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

    This is sad. I notice there are a lot of stories each day on /. and I would have appreciated it if in this case there was one less to use my time on.

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