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Google Earth v4 Released - Linux Support at Last

chrisd writes "We're very happy to announce that the a new version of Google Earth has been released. It features 3D textured buildings, some neat UI updates, better internationalization and, with this release, a native Linux version is available for download as well. The Google Earth team (with the help of Ryan Gordon) worked very hard to make this possible. Please see the Earth support site and check out the BBS for more information."

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  1. Google Antifanboys Silenced by WilliamSChips · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now for China...

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  2. Thanks so much Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For finally making a Linux version. Downloading it right now...

    1. Re:Thanks so much Google by emeb2 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Has anyone actually tried it? A few observations:

      * On the download page, there's no option to download the stable version 3 for Linux, even though system requirements are mentioned.

      * So, I just downloaded & installed beta version 4 on my FC4 Athlon64 system and while it runs OK, the actual map data is all scrambled. As I zoom in/out it is constantly 'twinkling' with the wrong images. City names are dropping characters as well, so you can't even tell where you're looking when you get in close.

      Nice try. Hope it works better in the future.

    2. Re:Thanks so much Google by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Informative

      Swithc it to DirectX mode ;)

      I found it cured all my running problems.

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    3. Re:Thanks so much Google by shellbeach · · Score: 2, Informative
      * So, I just downloaded & installed beta version 4 on my FC4 Athlon64 system and while it runs OK, the actual map data is all scrambled. As I zoom in/out it is constantly 'twinkling' with the wrong images. City names are dropping characters as well, so you can't even tell where you're looking when you get in close.


      Actually, mine's way more scrambled than that - initial display is all screwed, with redraws not erasing properly, on my fairly generic Dapper system (ATI Radeon card, open-source drivers). Pity - it actually runs very fast and smooth, but I can't make anything else out! Turning off the side-panels works better, but the image is still corrupted.

      I can't quite work Google out here - are they following a "release-early/release-often" model? I mean, I know it's beta software, but this is Google's first release of a native linux app (Picasa with WINE doesn't really count) - surely they'd try and make it an impressive one?
  3. Where's the source? by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, I'm supposed to trust Google's binary?

    1. Re:Where's the source? by Nahooda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whatever you do, you can obviously never please a Linux user. First they complain about the missing support from software companies, then when some company ports their application to Linux, they complain about missing sources.

      I've been using Linux for years now and I love open source software but I don't expect a software company to open their sources if it's not part of their business model.

      So, thanks Google for the great job!

      -DBS

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    2. Re:Where's the source? by blixel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whatever you do, you can obviously never please a Linux user. First they complain about the missing support from software companies, then when some company ports their application to Linux, they complain about missing sources.

      I have a complaint. I have all this Linux kernel source code crap on my system and I can't understand a damn word of it.

    3. Re:Where's the source? by Kelson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whatever you do, you can obviously never please a Linux user. First they complain about the missing support from software companies, then when some company ports their application to Linux, they complain about missing sources.

      Sure you can. Provide the source and either maintain it, or hand it to someone who will. Problem solved.

      Of course, you are oversimplifying things. There are two camps of Linux users on this issue: those who are OK with binary apps, for some purposes at least, and those for whom Free software (with a capital Free) is a philosophical choice.

      Personally, I'm in the former camp. I've even paid for binary-only Linux software on occasion, particularly with a few Windows apps I used that introduced Linux releases. I figured the best way to encourage them to keep working on the Linux versions would be to show there was a market, and that's why (for example) I was one of the first to buy a license for the Linux port of Opera (back with Opera was shareware) even though I was primarily a Mozilla user at that time, and even though it took several versions before it caught up to the Windows version in quality.

    4. Re:Where's the source? by spitzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And non-Linux users are easily identified by their complete inability to detect sarcasm in a post.

    5. Re:Where's the source? by Spacejock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bought VMWare for Linux a couple of years back and the supplier actually phoned me to make sure I hadn't selected it by mistake, and hadn't I really meant the Windows version? Nice of them to ask, but for once I knew what I was doing.

  4. Re:Can someone please tell me.. by Nahooda · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looking for secret nuclear plants in Iran?

    -DBS

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  5. Now there's progress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    $ googleearth
    Segmentation fault
    $

    1. Re:Now there's progress. by Kesch · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hear that segmentation earthquakes often occur along segmentation fault lines in the googleearth.

      I would take any necessary precations.

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  6. Mac Sketchup (free) by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also today - Google's free version of Sketchup for the Mac is available: Download here
    More info on Sketchup - it's basically a super-intuitive CAD program for quickly getting 3D ideas down on paper.

  7. One company to rule them all... by Leomania · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please see the Earth support site

    Well, it finally happened... Google took over. But it's one thing to take the planet over, but quite another to provide support for it too. Man, I'd hate to be be at the other end of the support line... wonder if you need to run the standard Google employment gauntlet to be first-tier support?

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    1. Re:One company to rule them all... by owlnation · · Score: 3, Funny

      so that means that we live on a Beta?

      That actually explains a lot...

  8. Linux support? by also-rr · · Score: 5, Funny

    (Mod company) +1 Not Evil

    1. Re:Linux support? by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really.

      Running unknown Windows binary blobs -> qemu[1], or you'll get pwned.
      Running unknown Linux binary blobs -> qemu, or you'll get pwned.

      [1] Or vmware, if you somehow prefer them. At least, they don't have any business relationships.
      So, uhm, what's the difference?

      And, as Google self-admittedly _does_ send home whatever data it can find about you, I'm not really rushing to install their binary on my box. Outside of a sandbox of some kind, at least.

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  9. Specifically by danielk1982 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Thanks so much Google" - for finally making a Linux version .... of anything.

    1. Re:Specifically by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *Cough*

      It's a bit slow (because my poor lappie has no graphics acceleration to speak off), but between it and Flickr, I'm all set.

    2. Re:Specifically by filesiteguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I haven't downloaded Google Earth yet, but Picassa isn't a native Linux client. Though it works it is a WINE applicaiton embedded in a Crossover Office wrapper. I'm curious to see if Earth is native.

    3. Re:Specifically by DJStealth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think it's your system that's slow. It appears that Google Earth has been slashdotted.

    4. Re:Specifically by Compholio · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm curious to see if Earth is native.

      It is, I just downloaded it and it installs and runs beautifully without any Wine (even checked for them hiding it with ps).

    5. Re:Specifically by Directrix1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It uses Qt. Gives it that nice cross-platform property. Additionally Picasa was ported to linux using wine-libs not necessarily wine the program itself. The Linux Picasa does have some native dependencies such as libgphoto for direct access to cameras, and it integrates into your notification area in Gnome (and I believe KDE also [untested for me]). Also, they committed over 200 patches to the wine codebase which is great. Furtheremore, thank you Google!!! It works great on Gentoo with ATI 9600. I requested it a long time ago, and it was a long time coming but it works and looks great. googlegoodwill++

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    6. Re:Specifically by patiodragon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ummm...last time I checked the earth was native. I mean, it's been so long since the mother ship left that I've been calling it home for now.

  10. Check out the "Build 3D Models" Link! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did anyone follow the link over there to Google SketchUp? I am amazed that this program hasn't gotten any publicity. Some details from the site:

    "SketchUp is a simple but powerful tool for quickly and easily creating, viewing and modifying your 3D ideas.
    * Click on a shape and push or pull it to create your desired 3D geometry.
    * Experiment with color and texture directly on your model.
    * Real-time shadow casting lets you see exactly where the sun falls as you model.
    * Select from thousands of pre-drawn components to save time drawing.

    And once you've built your models, you can place them in Google Earth, post them to the 3D Warehouse, or print hard copies. Google SketchUp is free for personal use. No registration is required."

  11. Its true, it is a binary. What should I do now? by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Its a binary. I had an idea that if I created a new user, and ran the binary as the new user, then everything would be alright, right?

    Its not that I don't trust google, but I run Gentoo and don't have many binaries install at all. This might become more common in the future, so how should I protect myself from malicious binaries?

    1. Re:Its true, it is a binary. What should I do now? by Lxy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      how should I protect myself from malicious binaries?

      Don't them as root.

      How is a binary unsafe but somehow source code is? I have a hard time believing you audit the code for everything that Gentoo installs. Why is a mirror offering up source code somehow trusted, but binaries aren't?

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    2. Re:Its true, it is a binary. What should I do now? by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How is a binary unsafe but somehow source code is? I have a hard time believing you audit the code for everything that Gentoo installs. Why is a mirror offering up source code somehow trusted, but binaries aren't? Just because I don't audit the code personally, doesn't mean one of our 1 million users wouldn't, and thats just in the Gentoo community.

      Being able to examine the code is far better than not being able to at all.

    3. Re:Its true, it is a binary. What should I do now? by Kelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The tarball might be downloaded from anywhere, but if the hashes don't match you have a different file than the package maintainer used, and it won't be installed.

      That doesn't tell you that it's safe, it tells you that it's the same thing the package maintainer used. All it means is you're passing the responsibility for auditing up the chain to the package maintainer.*

      Now, the package maintainer for your distro may audit the code themselves, or they may rely on similar hashes/signatures to make sure that the source they use is the same as the source the project itself provides. In which case that's passing the buck up once again.

      So really, what you're doing is relying on the original source to be safe...so it's not much different than relying on the original binary to be safe. It comes down to this: Do I trust the provider of this software? Inclusion in a distro can be seen as a vote of confidence: Gentoo includes app X, implying that Gentoo believes X is not going to take over my machine. You can choose to believe that anything included in your distro is likely to be safe, or rather that anything unsafe in it is unsafe by accident and not deliberately. (Choosing otherwise makes it a hell of a lot harder to build and maintain a system, though it can certainly be done.)

      But hash checks and GPG signatures don't tell you that an app is safe, whether you download it as source or as a binary. They only tell you that it hasn't been altered.

      *Note that the same is true for RPM-based distros like Fedora or SuSE -- packages are signed with GPG, and it won't install if the signature doesn't validate -- and I would assume for Debian-derived distros as well. This isn't a distro war issue.

  12. NASA WorldWind also ready for Linux and MacOSX by Lord+Satri · · Score: 4, Informative

    IF you go to this WindWindCentral page, you'll learn that Google Earth's open source competitor is readying Linux and Mac versions of NASA World Wind. You can learn a lot about WW here and a lot about GE here.

    "NASA is currently making plans for World Wind 1.5. This version will be available for multiple platforms, including Windows, Linux and the Macintosh."

    1. Re:NASA WorldWind also ready for Linux and MacOSX by TheBeansprout · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is also a World WInd clone written by Pat Murris - WW2D Plus One (homepage) written in Java.

      It's obviously quite simplistic however it is a 3D world viewer and can use the same imagery as World Wind, so it's a start and certainly something to use if you want to see the good-looking Next Generation Blue Marble imagery for one thing :)

    2. Re:NASA WorldWind also ready for Linux and MacOSX by SEMW · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For anyone wanting a quick eye-candy comparison, by a useful stroke of luck they both have 3D pics of Mount St. Helens as showcases on their respective web pages.

      Google:
      http://earth.google.com/images/mtsth.jpg

      Worldwind:
      http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/images/b/b6/S rtm.jpg

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  13. Re:Can someone please tell me.. by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you never go outside, it can show you what the world looks like.

    For the rest of us, take a GPS datalogger when boating, biking, driving, etc. Then import the data into Google Earth to have a satellite image with your trek pre-drawn on it.

  14. What was that... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...about no publicity?

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  15. Re:Not at a better time... by BiggyP · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually it can be done, i did it some time ago but the peculiar behaviour of the actual viewing portal and the toolbars made it pretty cumbersome, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3254 had some tips.

    Still, i'm very pleased that google have chosen to put the time and effort they have into their recent linux ports, this will be far more useful... ok, maybe just fun then, than picasa.

  16. Re:Can someone please tell me.. by CrankyFool · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well ...

    I had a first date planned with someone (this was about 349 days ago, before she became my girlfriend, then fiance); I was supposed to go to an area of town I've not often frequented; worse, the directions were confusing (lots of cloverleaf intersections and the like).

    I put it into Google Earth, had it show me the directions AND what the streets actually look like, and this really helped me understand the directions. Does that count?

  17. Re:What's the point? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm trying not to troll here but I don't really "get" the point of Google Earth. I understand that it's cool to look around cities and famous places but is that it? Am I missing something?

    Yes.

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  18. Re:What's the point? by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm trying not to troll here but I don't really "get" the point of Google Earth. I understand that it's cool to look around cities and famous places but is that it? Am I missing something?

    I feel a little bad for you. Don't you experience any sort of wonder and amazement that you can look at just about any point on the planet, all from the comfort of your own chair? I mean, even if it wasn't useful for getting maps, creating driving routes, and all that, isn't it still an amazing achievement to you? GoogleEarth is a significant cultural and technological achievement.

    And how fitting that Google, of all companies, has provided this free of charge to everyone on Earth.

    The fact that GoogleEarth exists at all is the point.

    This is no offense to you, personally, but how sad is it that, in our modern era, we can create stunning accomplishments that overshadow any and all accomplishments in the entirety of human history and so many of us still have the lack of appreciation to say "That's it?".

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  19. Yes it IS native. by gukin · · Score: 5, Informative

    When run "sudo GoogleEarth . . . " it creates a directory in /usr/local/google-earth. That directory is chock full of .so files, not .DLL files. Also Icculus (Ryan Gordon) is "not a big fan of wine". Ryan and most of the folks who hang their hats at icculus.org are former employees or had connections to Loki Software, a company that made NATIVE PORTS of games.

    One other chap who worked at Loki then moved on to Epic Software and brought us NATIVE ports of UT2003 and UT2004.

    It's definitely native.

    Thanks to Gordon and I hope you had fun working with the folks at Google.

    This is indeed a great day, google earth was the only app I ever used on my laptop under Windows.

    Yeah, it's not perfect yet, read the forums, play around with it, tweek it and it'll go.

    1. Re:Yes it IS native. by pherthyl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Use a chroot environment for x86. Then it'll work. Some distros also ship with the required libs to run x86 binaries out of the box, so you might not even need that.

  20. Re:Can someone please tell me.. by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Commercial Realestate

  21. Re:Native? by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's using Qt:
    dave@death:~/google-earth$ ldd googleearth-bin
    [...]
            libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0xb6dc2000)
    That's just what "bare" Qt looks like. Ugly, isn't it?

    (I COULD be wrong, of course, but icculus is a fairly major native Linux porter, so I'd doubt that he'd be working on a wine port.)
  22. There's 4 versions of Google Earth by Lord+Satri · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, you're missing something. But a lot of people are, believe me ;-)

    There are 4 versions of Google Earth. Most people know about the free version only. The other Google Earth versions gives you way more features, including GIS-like features.

  23. Re:Can someone please tell me.. by CokeBear · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what you're saying is, "Google Earth helped a geek get laid"?

    Sounds like the beginnings of a marketing campaign, if I ever heard one...

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  24. Re:What's the point? by Tazmaster75 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Think of the kids! It's an intersting and fun way to learn about the world.

    Also, video producers have already started using apps like this in their films... "Loose Change: Second Edition", anyone?

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  25. BSD? by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What about bsd and osx support? any chance?

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  26. Real Time Imagery for Google Earth by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think that the reason so many people do not care about Privacy issues is because they relish the idea of spying on their neighbors. I have had more than one person ask me a question which strongly suggested that they thought Google Earth was using real time imagery of their neighborhood.

    They wanted to see what their neighbors were doing, or see where their kids were, etc. Nevermind the sunbathers behind the super high fence.

    But they still liked the product even if they didn't have those features. I imagine it would be very popular if they could get the features they thought they had.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  27. Works on Fedora Core 5 by bhunachchicken · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just tried it with Fedora Core 5 (with ATI radeon drivers). Installed with no issues, works fine and works fast. I'm impressed! Thanks Google.

    (note - I don't think it's using Wine... couldn't see any Wine related stuff in the process list...)

  28. More best-in-class apps for the Linux desktop by j1mc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, so now we've got Ubuntu Dapper Drake 6.06 (among other excellent distros), FireFox, Thunderbird, and now Picasa and Google Earth. In the foreseeable future we'll have an OpenOffice suite that runs a little faster and we'll have a legitimate iTunes competitor, Songbird.

    Things are looking up for the Linux desktop, and for best-in-class software that runs on it. It's an exciting time to be a Linux fan, no? :-)

  29. Re:Native? by Kelson · · Score: 3, Funny

    clunky with a capital K

    Given Qt's close association with KDE, and the naming conventions that have arisen for KDE apps, "clunKy" or "Klunky" sound like appropriate terminology.

  30. Crashes on startup by obender · · Score: 2, Informative
    ./librender.so(_ZN12RenderWidget6setApiEPN5earth4e vll3APIE+0x4b) [0xf65177bb]
    ./librender.so(_ZN5earth6render12RenderWindow12cre ateWidgetEv+0x8a) [0xf64ff6ba]
    ./libgoogleearth.so(_ZN5earth6client12ModuleWidget 9showEventEP10QShowEvent+0x7d) [0xf78b180d]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget5eventEP6QEvent+0x277) [0xf6f8cdb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN12QApplication14internalNotifyE P7QObjectP6QEvent+0xa1) [0xf6ee0731]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN12QApplication6notifyEP7QObject P6QEvent+0xc9) [0xf6ee1219]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x266) [0xf6f8bd16]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget12showChildrenEb+0x11b) [0xf6f8ba6b]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget4showEv+0x207) [0xf6f8bcb7]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN11QMainWindow4showEv+0x93) [0xf705e513]
    ./libqt-mt.so.3(_ZN7QWidget10showNormalEv+0x33) [0xf6f85383]
    ./libgoogleearth.so(_ZN10MainWindow18readScreensiz eInfoEv+0x621) [0xf7876e61]
    ./libgoogleearth.so(_ZN5earth6client11Application3 runEiPPc+0x1569) [0xf789e2d9]
    ./libgoogleearth.so(_ZN5earth6client11ApplicationC 1EiPPcb+0x923) [0xf78a02c3]
    ./googleearth-bin [0x804c73d]
    /lib32/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xd2) [0xf6279ea2]
    ./googleearth-bin(__gxx_personality_v0+0x41) [0x804a961]

    We apologize for the inconvenience, but Google Earth has crashed.
    This is a bug in the program, and should never happen under normal
    circumstances. A bug report and debugging data are now being written
    to this text file:

    .googleearth/crashlogs/crashlog-0B103505. txt

    This bug report will be sent to Google automatically next time you run
    Google Earth. Its data, which contains no personal information, will help
    us correct problems without bothering you further. If you would rather
    this info not be transmitted, please delete the above file before running
    the program again. If you want bug reports to NEVER be sent, remove the
    above 'crashlogs' directory's read/write permissions.
  31. Earth To Linux! by kesuki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally! we got through :)

    Well it seemed funny to me anyways.

  32. That isn't true. by chrisd · · Score: 5, Informative
    Earth is a native port (qt + opengl) Picasa uses wine.

    Chris

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    1. Re:That isn't true. by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you claiming that a port is not wine?

  33. Re:Native? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Informative

    This would mean you're not running it under KDE then. In this case, try running `qtconfig` first and play with the settings, you might be able to get a slightly better look.

  34. Re:Native? by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could be way off base here, but isn't the whole point of the Wine project not to produce a windows emulator but libraries that can be substituted for the Windows libraries your program is using to allow it to easily run on linux? If so I'd say Picasa is a shining example of the Wine projects maturity

  35. Re:What's the point? by miasmic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yeah, you are missing something: an interest in the natural world around us.

    There is more to the world we live in than "cities and famous places". I can spend hours and hours on Google Earth, just looking at mountains in the Rockies or Andes for example. The physical world interests me, landforms, geology, physical geography in general. To me, Google Earth is one of the most significant pieces of educational software ever released on any format. Someone in Ohio or Oostende can gain an appreciation of the landforms of Papua New Guinea, fly through the Grand Canyon or explore the Antarctic Peninsula without ever leaving their desks, things they will probably never get a chance to do in real life.

    The question you ask is analogous to asking "what's the point of any form of learning that doesn't further our everyday lives?".

    Answer: "Some people find it interesting." If software formats and web 2.0 are more interesting to you than the High Himalayas, then that's your bag (...), but you have to appreciate that other's tastes and interests vary.

  36. Re:Thanks for the FUD by emeb2 · · Score: 2
    Nobody claimed that v3 was ported to Linux. Just that v4 beta is available.

    Understood - an earlier poster in the thread pointed out the typographical inconsistencies.

    Without knowing the details of your system, I cannot say what you're problem is, but you appear to be doing something wrong. It was a very simple install on my P4 FC4 system, and works exactly as it should

    Good to know. Perhaps I'll try again, although given the simplicity of the process it's hard to say what went wrong.

    And thanks to the parent poster for playing. Please let us know when the free map toy that you create works better.

    Sorry if you thought I sounded sarcastic, or if my accurate reporting of my experiences hurt your feelings in some way. That wasn't my intent. I do appreciate Google's efforts and am sincere in hoping that it works better next time.

  37. Linux morons by dinther · · Score: 3, Funny

    sjeesh, leave a hint about Linux support and the Linux zealots stamp it into the ground. "Oh doesn't look nice", "Where is the source", "It doesn't run on my really really exotic Linux distribution", "How can I trust a binary distribution".

    Basically people, "beep beeeeep" and get a life. You guys grab any opportunity to tell the world you are "cool" because you use Linux but all you do is complain while playing Windows games in a dark corner when nobody is looking and if you don't like Google Earth....

    DON'T BLOODY USE IT!

  38. Re:Thanks for the FUD by nostriluu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thanks to Google for producing Google Earth for our amusement, and for bringing it to the Linux Platform for no particular reason other than that they felt like it.

    And thanks to the parent poster for playing. Please let us know when the free map toy that you create works better.


    Google produced as part of their competitive strategy/because so many people asked for it, and the original poster is doing them a favour by trying and commenting on it (though one can always try harder to be constructive, it does warn some people that the release doesn't work that well).

    I get a little sick of people saying "Take the half working gesture and be happy about it," as if there weren't any point to it in the first place.

  39. "Not more than a finite number of times" by SimHacker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why does the Google Pack EULA ask me to agree not to do something that's physically impossible?

    From the Google Pack EULA:

    NAV 2005 may contain enforcement technology that limits the ability to install the software on a computer to not more than a finite number of times for a finite number of computers, and you consent to the use of such measures.

    Who in this universe has an infinite number of computers, or would install a piece of software an infinite number of times? Why don't also they require me to agree not to perform an infinite number of other impossible tasks? Why are so concerned about preventing people with infinite numbers of computers and patience installing their software?

    -Don

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  40. Font by cascini · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On my linux box, the fonts are extremely small. Is there anyway to change the font? It seems to use qt, I tried to change qt fonts, but it didn't help.

  41. Not all Linux users care for Stallmanism. by grolschie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps some Linux users want software that installs and just works, without having to figure out crap about compiling versions, missing libraries, etc. Joe Sixpack don't care for Stallmanism, he just wants his software to work. Hence, believe it or not, there is a market for Linspire's "Click N Run" service, no matter how abhorent the concept is to some. SuSE Linux for years included software that was proprietary and closed sourced on their production CDs. People still used SuSE. If people want to follow Stallmanism anally, then they have the freedom to choose not to download and install the Google Earth software.

  42. A few observations by owlstead · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hi all,

    - This seems to be a binary package only, which uses a few common libraries beneath it
    - Installs without a hitch on my system, defaults to /usr/local/google-earth
    - Runs very smooth in Ubuntu 6.06 AMD 64 bit with nvidia driver, but it seems to need root permissions to start (installed with sudo on the 'binary' installer)
    - No real desktop integration yet (at least with Gnome)
    - Asks to install symlink in /usr/local/bin, but does not say which command (googleearth)
    - Probably not a good idea to run with nv driver in X, chech your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
    - Comes with nice Icon that works in Gnome in root of installation folder

    Oh, I got a rather new 3GHz AMD 64/1 Gig, budget (fanless) videocard and 6 Mbit download. Not top of the bill, but quite nice anyway, your experiences may differ.

    Unfortunately, it does not seem to be open source. A bit of a shame, the real work is in the infrastructure and obtaining the maps anyway.

  43. Watch out for CVE-2006-2193 by cortana · · Score: 3, Insightful
    $ strings ~/Apps/google-earth/libtiff.so.3 | grep Version
    LIBTIFF, Version 3.7.3


    From CVE-2006-2193:
    Buffer overflow in the t2p_write_pdf_string function in tiff2pdf in libtiff 3.8.2 and earlier allows attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) and possibly execute arbitrary code via a TIFF file with a DocumentName tag that contains UTF-8 characters, which triggers the overflow when a character is sign extended to an integer that produces more digits than expected in an sprintf call.
    While I doubt Google Earth will be calling this function, this goes to show the danger that users place themselves in when they run software that takes it upon itself to bundle together the libraries that it depends on.
  44. Yes it is native... by nacs · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes it's native. Google Earth was originally coded using the QT(opia) library so no WINE stuff was needed.

    I've installed it and it runs amazingly smooth and looks great.

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  45. I'm curious... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've used Google Earth since it was version 1 by Keyhole and only worked on nVidia cards... and you had to pay for it. It's a cool piece of software, but of course version 4 wassn't actually released, it's a beta.

    Knowing Google, however, version 3 probably never left beta.

    In fact, is anything Google makes besides the search engine NOT beta? Google Groups has been beta since what, 2001? Their use of the word has completely lost any meaning, other than the obvious lawyerese intent of absolving them of any responsibility in case the stuff doesn't work. Like anyone ever takes that responsibility anyway (Microsoft?).

    Still, it's cool software.

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  46. how hard was the port? by multi+io · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Thanks Google for this amazing program.

    What I'm interested in -- how hard was it to port this over to Linux? What about the DirectX->OpenGL transition? How was this done? How much of the source code could be reused? Is there a common code base at all, and if so, will future Windows/Mac/Linux versions of Google Earth be developed (and released) based on that from now on? And how hard would it be to provide binaries for non-x86 Linux, and/or other Unixes?

    Any non-classified information on those things? :-)

  47. Re:What's the point? by Rod,+Hot · · Score: 5, Informative
    Bear with me on this... it is a tad long, but worth it (I think at least).

    OK, first things first. I am serving in the Army as an enlisted Military Policeman. Currently stationed at Fort Hood in the 1st Cavalry Division, I came back from a 1 year tour in Iraq in early/mid 2005. In Baghdad the military is using a "new" tool (that DARPA has been working on for a number of years) that easily allows collaborative efforts and battle tracking. (I just googled for it, and the name is out in the open with a nice description of it on defense-update.com ... so it _appears_ that I am not "talking out of school" here.)

    Anyway, last year around April/May the Cav returns back to the states, we get a little down time, turn most of our trucks and tanks to be "Reset" (rebuilt/refurbished/updated) ... and catch a nice little breather when Katrina hits. The 82nd Airborne gets to New Orleans first (after the National Guard and reserves) and then the Cav.

    Being an enlisted Military Policeman gave me a unique perspective to what was going on... and more importantly what was NOT going on. When I worked in Baghdad my job was to coordinate efforts between the Coalition Forces and the Iraqi Police. We tracked what the Iraqi Police were seeing on the Streets and what the military was seeing on the streets and tried to keep everybody on the same page.

    Low and behold when I get to New Orleans I discover that I have the PERFECT skill set for this disaster. Military and Law Enforcement experience, VERY knowledgeable on how to push and pull information to and from everybody who needs it, dealing with ALL flavors of law enforcement and coordinating efforts on the fly.

    One problem. I don't have a tool to put the coordination together. However, most places (hospitals, Police Stations, FBI, DEA, NYFD, Customs, and the FEMA coordination centers) all have Internet access. Guess what. We have the perfect tool... Google Earth.

    Google had recently worked there ASSES off putting current and updated flood information into Google Earth, you could pull up where downed power lines and flooded roads were at, you could transpose the "pre flood" and the "post flood" images, and the downtown area even had 3D models of the buildings.

    Oh, and IT WAS FREE... and easy to use... And you can EASILY share information between other people. I put an icon in my Google Earth .KML describing a dead body that needs to be picked up and the proper agencies (who are "subscribed" to my .KML) see that information in SECONDS (or minutes at the latest). There were a limited number of people there who could legally move bodies according to LA law so it was a constant effort to get them to where they needed to be.

    You add a VOIP aspect to it and POOF! Instant command and control for the different agencies. It is nigh-impossible to crash google's servers and as long as you had power (which was rapidly becoming a NON issue) and Internet access (same thing) you were able to talk and coordinate your efforts.

    The beauty of the system is that as long as each agency updates their little piece of the pie everybody can see and use that data... Even if they don't update it, there was so much overlap that someone would see and report an incident.

    One other problem. We are dealing with the CIVILIAN government and FEMA here. They have a major case of "It wasn't grown here"-itis. Everybody I showed it to was amazed and astounded with how easy and efficient it was... and the power of collaboration was something completely new and foreign to almost EVERYBODY involved... except for the 1st Cav. FEMA seems hell bent to spend MILLIONS of dollars setting up a command and control center that only talked to itself... AMAZING. I showed their tech people and some higher ups what Google Earth could bring to the plate and they were impressed. The tech types were ready and willing to embrace the tool, but hesitant because t

  48. Re:Oh, the Irony! by ClamIAm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, yeah. The whole "500 versions" lie is always fun to repeat, but it conveniently ignores reality. If this were true, no binary programs would exist for the platform. This is not the case. id software releases native versions of all their games. Unreal Tournament has as well.

    People have been repeating the "it'll never work" assertion since, well, forever, yet every day more stuff works. Reconcile that.