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Why Ballmer Should Leave Microsoft

An anonymous reader writes "In the wake of the announcement of Bill Gates' departure from the top spot at Microsoft, CNN Money is carrying an article arguing that Steve Ballmer should step down as well." From the article: "Since Gates stepped down as CEO in 2000 in favor of Ballmer, the company has floundered technically and strategically. As the company's chairman, chief software architect and supposed visionary, Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo. But Ballmer has made gaffes of his own in his longtime role as head of the company's business side. They include an undistinguished push into business applications to compete with Oracle, financial maneuvers that have failed to stir the stock - which has slumped 16 percent so far this year - and continuing antitrust problems in the United States and Europe."

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  1. He's in a no-win situation.. by Tominva1045 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    If Ballmer and Microsoft had been wildly successful over the past few years most everyone here would be crying for the Microsoft juggernaut to be sunk or TOTALLY disbanded via political / legal means.

    But many say they haven't been wildly successful over the past few years.

    Either way the result is the same: people who don't like Microsoft are going to take pot-shots at them.

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    1. Re:He's in a no-win situation.. by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Part of the problem for Microsoft is that they are simply enormous. Compared to last year, Microsoft added about $1 billion in revenue and $500 million in profits to its first quarter results. Google had about $1.9 billion in revenue total, and added about $400 million in revenue(for the last quarter that I tracked down, ending Dec '05). Microsoft grew twice as much as Google did in real numbers, but people are quite a bit more impressed that Google was able to grow by almost 30%, while Microsoft languished closer to 10% revenue growth, never mind that the business they added was equal to a signifigant percentage of Google's total business.

      Google's relative performance is certainly better, but Microsoft's absolute performance is still pretty much astounding.

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  2. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by mfh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ballmer should step down in favour of Mr T, because he pity the fool who don't got high-end video cards and 4GB RAM for Vista Aero!!!

    Seriously... if Mr T was in charge of Microsoft, it would be profitable. This should not be modded funny because it's actually insightful.

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  3. Pundits Gone Wild! by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article quotes Rob Enderle:
    "It's not likely that Ballmer will stay on as CEO after Gates steps down as the company's chief software architect", says Rob Enderle, principal analyst at the Enderle Group, who has watched Microsoft (Charts) for almost 20 years. "When you get into a cycle like this, the founders go reasonably soon after each other," says Enderle.

    Putting aside Rob Enderle's other failures as an analyst, I see him as simply trying to get back up on the wave of punditry that he completely missed with the revelation of Bill Gates leaving. If Ballmer doesn't leave, no one will care. If he does, then Enderle looks like he has an inside connection or excellent prognostication ability.

    In reality, I don't see Mr. Ballmer leaving any time soon. The revolt wasn't due to the shareholders as much as Bill Gates just (apparently) getting sick of the day to day. Steve doesn't seem to share that boredom and he certainly doesn't have the hubris to realize that his leaving would be more beneficial to the stock price than any policy he enacts while in the driver seat.

  4. Unproven business model by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo"

    Google and Yahoo's entire business model is web-based and advertisement based. One could just as easily argue that they deserve blame for having such a fragile model. It's not clear if building these web-based applications will be profitable or sustainable. Google in particular seems to be enjoying the same kind of unquestioning support that many dead dot-comms enjoyed.

    1. Re:Unproven business model by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google and Yahoo's entire business model is web-based and advertisement based. One could just as easily argue that they deserve blame for having such a fragile model. It's not clear if building these web-based applications will be profitable or sustainable. Google in particular seems to be enjoying the same kind of unquestioning support that many dead dot-comms enjoyed.

      And Microsoft's entire business model is monopoly based. One could just as easily argue that it deserves the blame for having such a fragile model. It's not clear that Microsoft will be profitable or sustainable, in a world where their monopoly starts to fade (look at the multi-billion dollar losses in the Xbox division, or the losses in the MSN division). In particular, Microsoft seems to enjoy the same kind of unquestioning support that AT&T once did. Where's AT&T now? That's right; dead and bought for the name rights.

      On the other hand, Google's balance sheet is solidly positive. Might be a bit overvalued at $391.00 per share, but that's neither here nor there.

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    2. Re:Unproven business model by Bastian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft makes assloads of money off of Windows and Office and then strongarms their way into other markets, usually by either taking advantage of their dominance in the OS market or by simply hemmorhaging piles of money into the project.

      Google makes assloads of money off of web advertising and uses it to strongarm their way into other markets, usually by either taking advantage of their dominance of the search market or by simply hemmorhaging piles of money into the project.

      Google's balance sheet may be solidly positive, but so were Microsoft's and AT&T's when they were younger. It looks to me like Google may be able to reign for a while, maybe even a decade or two, but a business model that depends on a lack of strong competition in at least one market isn't just unproven, it's proven to be fragile.

  5. Some sort of change is needed by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll be the first to admit that I'm not Microsoft's #1 fan - I find thier business practices less than satisfying, and their software usually doesn't light my fires, but I have to give them a lot of credit for their business sense, so I'd like to see them do better.

    Whether Ballmer leaves or not, there needs to be a shake up in the direction of the company, because in my mind, they've lost sight. Right now, they remind me of Sony: floundering about, trying to do several things at once, and not really winning either user love or support. They throw money at problems in the hope of winning something, but it doesn't seem like they really know what they are going to do when they get there except have another potential monopoly - and I think that's where they are failing. They're trying to recreate the Windows dominance, instead of just competing.

    In a sense, it seems like what they keep trying to pursue is power, not money. And it keeps costing them user loyalty and potential revenue.

    Take the Xbox: a $4 billion dollar loss. People can get up and shout "But they're number 2 in console sales", but they have lost $4 billion dollars, and it doesn't seem like they're going to do any better this time. Already the 360 in Japan has been a flop (even interesting looking games like "99 Nights" hasn't helped, through perhaps "Lost Planet" and "Blue Dragon" (if I got the name right) might help), their Xbox lead made users irritated by claiing that "nobody cares about backwards compatibility", a stance that he had to back pedal from as fast as possible. Then again, Sony's trying to figure out how to shoot their foot while sticking it in their mouth at the same time, so maybe they have a chance unless the Wii is as cool as people expect it to. But the Xbox division seems intent on "dominating" the gaming industry. As a counterpoint, look at Nintendo: 3rd place (whenever you take out the handhelds, which I never understand why people ignore), but profitable - and they don't care about being "first", just in making money on every sale.

    Cable TV chasing, application server in big iron areas that hasn't panned out - it just seems like Microsoft's just throwing darts at a board, from what seems like an infinite supply of darts supplied by the Office and Windows monopoly. But if Google chips a little bit there, Apple a little bit there, all of the sudden bleeding money doesn't seem like a good idea.

    My recommendation: they focus on what will make them money, not what will get them power. My father once made a comment that Bill Gates is intent on keeping Larry Ellison the 2nd richest man in the world (or in that area) by not porting MS SQL Server to Linux, Solaris, OS X, and everything else that they can. What if MS Office was *truly* ported to OS X (including true Outlook support instead of the "almost but close" version), with MS Project and Visio, and on Linux?

    Instead of trying to make the world "support our monopoly", new leadership at Microsoft could focus on "what makes money?" Yes, there is a danger in making, say, SQL and Office for OS X and Linux, because that would potentially decrease the Windows desktop sales. But at the same time, it could ensure that if Windows ever goes away, they still have a steady source of income in the future - and it could make them a lot of money now.

    It's a hard change to go from "We dominate the PCs, leverage that dominance and protect it" to "What do our customers want, and how can we fill that gap". Windows dominance has worked so well for so long, that I don't think MS can chance until that dominance is truly challenged. If Apple gets some sort of DarWine system working, if Vista keeps getting delayed, if Google actually makes the OS not matter - MS could be in trouble.

    Granted, the odds are, nothing's going to happen to MS. People have predicted their demise for years, and I don't see things changing for them for 10 years. On the other hand, you never know when that "next big thing" that blows away the cu

  6. Maybe they are not mistakes by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whose to say Gates made a mistake letting google and yahoo create web based software? It's MS modus operandi to let others pioneer a field then they take it over. We all know the PC story and how IBM and apple and others pioneered it. Same with Wordprocessing and office software. And what about Programming IDEs?.

    Now look at what is happening in the field of PDAs and telephones. And of course there's the Xbox which came lat to the party as well. And one might even speculate MS will make a bigger move on the Server side of computing soon.

    MS is always late the to party. Pioneers get the arrows. Settlers get the land.

    One can hardly say that google's web apps are either the wave of the future or that in the End it won't be MS that controls them. There was nothing defective about Gates strategy, it has worked in the past quite well.

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    1. Re:Maybe they are not mistakes by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The reason Windows remains the dominant desktop OS at this point is strictly status quo. Nobody wants to switch, because Windows is essentially associated with PCs -- that is why, despite Ubunutu's ease of use and Windows' terrible security record, there hasn't been any mass migration. However, it is this same phenomenon that will make it hard for Microsoft to get anywhere in places like the server market. Look at how long Microsoft has been fighting the server battle, just to get a 30% share! Ignoring Google for so long has created the same situation in that market -- they allowed Google to be associated with web search (and other services), and now people just go to www.google.com when they are looking for something. This is the mistake Microsoft made. PDAs? Same mistake, only Microsoft managed to make something that was legitimately better than PalmOS.

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    2. Re:Maybe they are not mistakes by JavaLord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We all know the PC story and how IBM and apple and others pioneered it. Same with Wordprocessing and office software. And what about Programming IDEs?. Now look at what is happening in the field of PDAs and telephones. And of course there's the Xbox which came lat to the party as well.

      MSN is another good example

      Gates deserves blame for missing the wave of Web-based software that has propelled Google and Yahoo.

      I really don't think Google and Yahoo are microsofts problem. If you ask Joe Shmoe CEO who is starting a business what kind of software he needs, he's still going to say "Outlook, Word, Excel".

      The real problem with microsoft is they can't innovate with new versions of their old products. .net isn't that hot, Vista is taking forever, nothing special is going on with office, MSN doesn't stand out in any way, SQL server doesn't seem like anything special compared to oracle or even MySQL. The only thing it seems they are making progress with is the X-Box 360 and Live Arcade.

      Also from the article:

      Losing both Gates and Ballmer will spell a big change for Microsoft. But it's likely to be a positive one. At this point, Ballmer's associated more with the hard-charging business tactics that led to Microsoft's antitrust woes and a low stock price that's sapping employee morale.

      The drive of Gates and Ballmer may have led to antitrust woes, but they also drove Microsoft to be the #1 software company in the world. Give the devil its due.

  7. Re:Forgot login - Nick Donovan by Skreems · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not ALL thick clients are irrelevant. You still need development environments, databases, and office apps that won't suddenly be "down for maintanance" in the middle of the day (and have more features than web-based systems can deliver at present). I'll be the first to say, I think the idea of distributed thin-client applications is fantastic, but there ARE problems that need to be solved first. And even then, how many people are going to accept the "pay per month" model that login-based services will almost certainly bring? The market for installable applications is far from dead.

    As for "the whole idea of licenses for OS instances and that being a primary product is effectively dead IMHO"... what?? You still need a system on which to run the thin-client apps, even if that's all you use. And yes, some linux distros give it away for free, but that doesn't mean the idea of the OS as a marketable product is suddenly gone.

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  8. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by deander2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously... if Mr T was in charge of Microsoft, it would be profitable.

    are you under the impression that M$ is currently not profitable? :)

  9. Not Just Microsoft But EVERYWHERE!!! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nope, I'm no Microsoft fan & Gates is practically angelic when put alongside Ballmer.

    Unfortunately, the same "cancer" (to use an MS "Linux" term) that has affected MS has spread across the entire IT & service industry - namely, a complete redifinition (for the worse) of what is good customer service and what are good products.

    It's because of hype, over-advertising & the gullibilities of the general populace that MS and its ilk can utilise the user community for "live testing" their software after that same community has already paid for it, that Hollywood can make profits from poor quality sequel movies, & that talentless plastic "musicians" (I use the term loosely) can be catapulted to chart success on the basis of a formulaic, manufactured ballad.

    Added to this, customer service used to be about just *asking* your customers whether they were happy with what you did for them and listening to them when they weren't happy - now it's about graphs showing that "95% of all customer calls were answered within 10 seconds" with no mention of the fact that the caller and the agent probably do not share the same native language. But because *EVERYBODY* has done this (banks, utility companies, corporations, etc), everybody now offers lower quality statistical-dependent customer service and the poor customer suffers as a result.

    I'd like to think that the reason for MS's worse fortunes over the past few years was due to we customers becoming more discerning - but then I look at the hideous amount of advertising and hype I'm pumped with every day and realise that if advertising didn't do its job, companies would *decrease* spending on it rather than increasing it...

    No, it's nothing more than the capitalist bubble getting near to popping - Microsoft and all the others have to get greedier & greedier to consume larger and larger profits each year by creating products so fast that they have no time to test them properly before releasing them. In other words, their greed for money, not for serving the customer, is destroying themselves.

    I like living in a capitalist society but capitalism only works when the customer-base exhibits self-control and intelligence before handing money over for any goods or service - unfortunately, 95% of the populace are brainless cattle...

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  10. Want to see the stock plunge? by doodlebumm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    When Gates and Ballmer are no longer at the top, and they start to sell of their billions in MS stock, you will see it's price drop to less than half it's current price. There are three factors that will make that happen:
    1. Gates and Ballmer are the driving forces at MS. If you take the two big sharks out of the tank, the rest of the fish calm down because they are not as likely to be viewed as lunch. With them gone, Microsoft may be less likely viewed as agressive as they have been in the past.
    2. The public view is that Gates is Microsoft. When he's gone, shareholder confidence will decrease.
    3. Supply and demand. If they sell, supply goes up, and certainly the demand will be less (see numbers 1 and 2 above).
  11. 16% loss by mfh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article disclosed a 16% deflation in MS stock.

    That might be still profitable, but it's a sign of what's happening... they are moving in the WRONG direction.

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  12. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just modded you Underated, happy now?

    And unrolled your moderation by posting. Good show. :)

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  13. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's some entertainment for you. From google groups regarding Windows XP system requirements we get such gems as this:

    "Microsoft's Web site recommends a minimum 300MHz Pentium II processor and 128MB of RAM to run the Windows XP beta"
    "They are pretty steep requirements just to run an OS! what happens when you want to do some real work? go out and spend MORE money! Sorry Microsoft, along with the activation scheme, high price, this is one of the last nails in the coffin, and that is, the expectation that everyone has a bank balance the size of Billy Gates, and can instantly go out and buy what ever upgrade they need JUST to get Windows work'in."

    OMG teh 300 MHZ and 128 MB ram!!! In a very short amount of time, the system requirements for Vista will be just as laughable.

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  14. Entirely unsurprising by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " He's believed to be behind a recent cost-cutting move to force the company's substantial contractor workforce to take an unpaid week off. Since contractors at Microsoft contribute to important projects and are often hired on as full-time employees, the move hurt morale."

    Ah, so he knows the magic words ("cost-cutting move") and likes to kick the workers in the teeth. I can see how Wall Street would love him.

    *sigh* There's been a recent article linked to by /. about how some people at the top are really psychopaths, in the medical sense of the word. Still, technically that only has to mean not caring about others. But the more time goes by, the more it seems that some people at the top aren't just psychopathic, but also the sadistic kind. And some just seem to have a sort of hatred for those they're supposed to manage.

    I mean, look at his cost-cutting move:

    1. There are 52 weeks in a year, even if _everyone_ at MS was a contractor, and if salaries were the _only_ expenses MS ever has, it still would have saved less than 5% of the costs. But when you factor in that not everyone is, and also that execs salaries aren't the same as those of the peons thus shafted, and all the other costs, I'll take a wild guess and say that maybe he's saved 1% for the whole year. But wait, it gets better:

    2. It's not like those people were sitting around idle. MS has enough coding going on at any given time, and taking enough flak over, say, Vista delays. So here's the more important part: that "cost saving" is more than offset by the fact that it was a week of them not producing stuff for MS. We're not talking a factory who's over-produced taking a week off, but forcing it onto people who were actually producing value for the company during that time. It's as idiotic a decision as, say, closing a bunch of Wal-Mart shops for a week: sure, you've saved the money for running them for a week, _but_ you've made a bigger loss by not selling anything in that time. So far from being a "cost-cutting measure", it was more like a profit-losing measure.

    3. It was done purely for greed sake. It's not like MS was making heavy losses and needed that kind of penny-pinching to stay afloat. Forcing people to take unpaid time off when the company is making a healthy profit is... just pure unhealthy greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

    4. It was accompanied by a drop in morale. Partially also because we're talking about people smart enough to understand points 1 to 3, and recognize a _stupid_ penny-pincher when they see one. Being shafted when the company is in dire straits is one thing, but being shafted for such a completely idiotic reason tends to leave a very bad aftertaste. Even if number 2 hadn't already done more harm than good, we're talking a loss of morale that'll span many months and for some people it will even stay around for ever. And it won't even affect only those shafted, but also the people who got to see their co-workers shafted by a dumb PHB. This alone is more than enough to cause more harm than any cost-savings he might have made.

    So basically we're not even talking about a regular penny-pincher, we're talking about the dumbest kind of a PHB. The kind that makes the original PHB from Dilbert actually seem smart and competent by comparison. And the dumbest kind of decision one can do at a company.

    And yet Wall Street loves him for it and likes the idea of him as a CEO...

    I don't know... I really don't know... Are these people even focused on profit, or share value, or whatever, or are they just getting their jollies from shafting the workers and using profit as just an excuse?

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    1. Re:Entirely unsurprising by ClamIAm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4. It was accompanied by a drop in morale. Partially also because we're talking about people smart enough to understand points 1 to 3, and recognize a _stupid_ penny-pincher when they see one. Being shafted when the company is in dire straits is one thing, but being shafted for such a completely idiotic reason tends to leave a very bad aftertaste.

      This may be intentional. Contractors are more likely to flee from a job that is screwing them over. Those who put up with bullshit and don't complain will be the only ones left.

    2. Re:Entirely unsurprising by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was tempted to add this as #5, actually. Losing more people in the middle of a project. I don't expect that an ex-Wal-Mart manager understands it, but replacing a programmer in the middle of a project is less trivial than replacing a cashier or even a data entry typist. Even if you had an instant replacement with exactly the right skills (which, in practice might take a while and some interviews to find: there's a reason companies pay bonuses to headhunters), you'll have to get them over the learning experience of the project itself. They have to assimilate all the info that the old guy knew, including goals, coding styles, teamwork style (each team works slightly differently), knowing who to ask about what, internal frameworks, etc. Even if they're perfectly documented and have crystal-clear APIs and the old guy wrote perfectly clear and commented code (which, judging by the reactions to some internal code MS submitted instead of protocol docs in the EU anti-trust trial, might not always be the case), it's still one big chunk to assimilate and takes some time.

      So basically doing something that disruptive to several projects at the same time, just to see who's prepared to suck up and polish the PHB's ego... is... uninspired, and that's going for the understatement of the century.

      And I'm not even going into how much of a PHB someone needs to be, to want to shake off those who are talented enough to not need to put up with crap, and be left with those underperforming or insecure enough to take any shit as long as it keeps them in the job.

      Plus, it adds even more to the #4 problem. I doubt that everyone who does leave, instantly quit in that week. Most people, especially those with families, will first look for a new job and _then_ quit. And in the meantime they'll do the job with the half-arsedness of someone who'll be out of there in a couple of months anyway.

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    3. Re:Entirely unsurprising by radtea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are these people even focused on profit, or share value, or whatever, or are they just getting their jollies from shafting the workers and using profit as just an excuse?

      You got it: they are enjoying the feeling of power and using profit as an excuse. All human institutions reflect basic primate (especially chimpanzee) psychology. Hierarchy and attention are the dominant factors in monkey societies. Monkeys who can get the troop's attention are able to move up the social tree more easily, and there is a basic drive to get as high as possible. It "just seems the right thing to do" to your average unreflective monkey.

      The big mistake geeks make is to think that technical expertise is more than weakly related to success in the corporate world. Being a charismatic bully is far more likely to get you promoted than techincal capability.

      This is not much of a problem so long as we don't let the propoganda that companies spew get to us. Most importantly, the degree of loyalty you owe to your employer is exactly equal to the degree of loyalty your employer shows to you and your fellow-workers. In the case of MS, they have made a very clear statement that arbitrary actions like dropping all contractors for a week are just find. Ergo, it is just fine for contractors to walk without notice or reason--or to just not show up for a week (without pay) for no reason). Of course, most contractors are decent human beings, so they will find more gentle exit strategies, but none of them should have the least compunction regarding leaving. Reciprocity is all.

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  15. Re:Ballmer shouldn't step down. by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but would you want to run XP a 300 MHz Pentium II and 128 MB RAM??? I believe those system requirements were a little too minimal...

  16. Re:Frist Post by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think he had made a mix of English and French.

    Perhaps, but I like to think it was more a sly amalgamation of both those words as well as "queue", meaning "line up" and the Spanish "que?" or "why?" into an existential analysis of many of the world's malaises.

    Clearly he is asking why the lineup of flying chair jokes is allowed or LET be started now. It is plaintive query about the values of a community which would reward those who would mock as august a personage as monkey-boy. An intellectual and insightful comment on the fragility of a society which fails to respect the sweaty and impulsive dancers on the stage of life.

    There's a lesson here for us all..

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