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Army Sent to Fight Millions of Invading Toxic Toads

Reporter writes "The Australian state government called for the army to be deployed against the invasion of toxic toads! Battalions of imported cane toads are marching relentlessly across northern Australia and the West Australian government wants soldiers to intercept the environmental barbarians. From the article: "The toads, Bufo Marinus, were introduced from South America into northeast Queensland state in the 1930s to control another pest: Beetles that were ravaging the sugar cane fields of the tropical northern coasts. But the toads now number in the millions and are spreading westward through the Northern Territory, upsetting the country's ecosystem in their wake. Cane toads have poisonous sacs on the back of their heads full of a venom so powerful it can kill crocodiles, snakes or other predators in minutes." More information about cane toads at Wikipedia."

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  1. Very Little Information by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, the article doesn't say much about what the army is supposed to do except kill them. I highly doubt that's the strategy and, after being raised on farms in my youth, it's easier to use a trap or target the nests than to get down on your hands and knees and kill each and every one of them. In fact, even if you killed all the visible ones, how do you kill/remove all the tadpoles and eggs from the ponds and water in Australia? It would be obviously stupid to try to introduce another foreign species that might rampage about the land. Especially one that would be immune to the toad's toxin.

    It's odd that they deploy the military considering that current government research has been directed towards isolating a sex pheremone to disrupt the breeding cycle. The government fact sheet suggests removing the jelly strings of eggs from water & humane execution of adult cane toads. There are guides on Cane Toad control that talk about using traps but what do you do with the toads after you trap them. Will the Australian military be trudging through wetlands and collecting toad eggs while smashing the adults with specialized mallets? No one is alluding to the method of the military.

    Perhaps this is some left over funding that was appropriated to the military and now they feel like they have to spend it? Either way, I don't live in North Eastern Australia so I don't know what level of effect these toads are truly having.

    Here's a humorous Google Video on the cane toad. It's more just a dabble in CGI by film makers but I thought it worth mentioning given the topic.

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    1. Re:Very Little Information by Tx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, politicians like to be seen to be doing something, and nothing sends out the "we're in charge and on the case" message like sending in the army.

      Still I'm sure they have some idea how the army would be used. Locally deployed poison?

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    2. Re:Very Little Information by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      it's easier to use a trap or target the nests
      Nests? Of toads? Now you're really scaring me, if they've evolved parenting.

      The white paper is probably spot-on: Kill the adults, destroy the eggs. Lather, rinse, repeat for each breeding cycle.

      It might cost a lot, but it is possible. The most expensive part will be eradicating isolated resevoirs of breeding populations.

      As to what you do after you trap them: make fertilizer out of them.
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    3. Re:Very Little Information by JohnnyLocust · · Score: 3, Funny

      humane execution of adult cane toads

      You mean like this? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_gun

    4. Re:Very Little Information by mspohr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      In the USA, we're sending the army to stop people crossing our southern border. This will be about as useful as Australia sending their army to stop the toads.

      Idiot politicians will reap big benefits for "doing something" about the problem from the idiot voters (in case you couldn't tell, "idiot voters" are in the majority in the USA).

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    5. Re:Very Little Information by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 3, Informative
      Many frogs are good parents (for amphibians anyhow). Maybe some toads are too.
      Some frogs also look after their eggs--and in some cases even the tadpoles--for some time after laying.
      (From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog)
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    6. Re:Very Little Information by aplusjimages · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope months from now there is a /. post about how troops are losing the war on toads.

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  2. Seargent! Are you licking that toad? by dmatos · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not not licking this toad.

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  3. A solution by mypalmike · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fortunately, there's an easy solution to this problem. It turns out that these toads can be made sterile if they eat enough kudzu, which they find to be extremely tasty. Just plant enough kudzu and this problem goes away completely.

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    1. Re:A solution by bano · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yea they need Kudzu, Grass Carp, Zebra Mussles, and fireants to fix the toad problem.

    2. Re:A solution by EnderGT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure the parent poster was being more than a little sarcastic...

    3. Re:A solution by ToxikFetus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think your sarcasm detector is broken. If you bought the Craftsman model, return it to your nearest Sears retailer for a free replacement.

  4. Oh, the poetic justice! by Wooster_UK · · Score: 5, Funny

    So evolved toxic toads are invading Darwin? You just can't make this sort of material up! I await posts of craven submission from Slashdotters willing to co-operate with the toxic toads.

  5. So hungry... by RingDev · · Score: 4, Funny

    "that talk about using traps but what do you do with the toads after you trap them"

    mmmmm... Lunch.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:So hungry... by RsG · · Score: 3, Funny

      You do know that these are the "painful death" kind of toxic, right? Not the lickable "I'm so stoned!" variety? :-P

      Though come to think of it, I'm not sure I'd want to actually try and eat a regular hallucenogenic toad whole either....

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    2. Re:So hungry... by tekiegreg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mr. AC makes a subtle point. For example there are Spiders out there that produce enough poison to kill humans, yet have Wasps as natural predators who are immune to Spider Bites, we quite well could be resistant or immune to Cane Toad Venom as well. All the same don't expect me to go around eating Cane Toads...

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    3. Re:So hungry... by starkraven · · Score: 3, Funny

      You did read the part where these toads are poisonous enough to kill large reptiles, right?

      Finally, we discover what really happened to the dinosaurs! I guess they were just looking for a buzz too....

    4. Re:So hungry... by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 4, Insightful
      we quite well could be resistant or immune to Cane Toad Venom as well

      We are resistant to cane toad venom. Our adaptation is specifically the ability to be smart enough not to ingest the stuff.

  6. Again!? by stinerman · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'd assume they learned their lesson from importing the rabbits.

    New species + no predators = I, for one, welcome our new poisonous toad overlords!

  7. Not to worry by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 5, Funny

    We'll lick these toxic toads one way or another.

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  8. oblig. simpsons by tscheez · · Score: 5, Funny

    KENT
    Our top story, the population of parasitic tree lizards has exploded, and local citizens couldn't be happier! It seems the rapacious reptiles have developed a taste for the common pigeon, also known as the 'feathered rat', or the 'gutter bird'. For the first time, citizens need not fear harassment by flocks of chattering disease-bags.

    Later, Bart receives an award from Mayor Quimby outside the town hall. Several lizards slink past.

    QUIMBY
    For decimating our pigeon population, and making Springfield a less oppressive place to while away our worthless lives, I present you with this scented candle.

    Skinner talks to Lisa.

    SKINNER
    Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.

    LISA
    But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?

    SKINNER
    No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

    LISA
    But aren't the snakes even worse?

    SKINNER
    Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

    LISA
    But then we're stuck with gorillas!

    SKINNER
    No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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    1. Re:oblig. simpsons by aberson · · Score: 2, Funny
      how about from Bart vs. Australia when bart introduces frogs to australia...

      "A subplot through the episode where Bart brought his pet frog into the country past customs. where it reproduces and spread rapidly throughout the country and ruins Australia's ecology (a reference to the actual introduction of non-native Cane Toads into Australia.)"

      I can't find the exact quote, but it's something like:

      Lisa: That's a frog
      Australian guy: Frog? That's a funny name for it. I'd have called it a wopple-dinger

    2. Re:oblig. simpsons by psililisp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or the Bart vs. Australia episode:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_vs._Australia

      Owner: [sweeping a bunch of toads out] Get out, get out! Shoo, shoo.
                    Get out of here, yuck! These bloody things are everywhere.
                    They're in the lift, in the lorry, in the bond wizard, and all
                    over the malonga gilderchuck.
      Clerk: They're like kangaroos, but they're reptiles, they is.
      Marge: We have them in America. They're called bullfrogs.
      Clerk: What? That's an odd name. I'd have called them "chazzwazzers".

  9. Biological warfare by nuggz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an example of what can happen if you use biological means to control a situation.

    There tends to be an unintended consequence, which often may be much worse than the origional affliction.

    Although I hope they think carefully about this type of behaviour in the future, I doubt it.
    The biological ideas they're coming up with to fight drugs in the US are much scarier than a few million frogs.

  10. Mr. President, Dr. Evil is on the line: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Funny



    Good day, gentlemen. As you are no doubt aware, I have recently perfected my race of genetically enhanced killer cane toads. My invincible batrachian army is currently rampaging across the continent of Australia, laying waste to all in their path. There is currently talk of deploying the Australian army to attempt to stem the tide of conquest...I'll tell you now that you needn't bother...the toads are quite unstoppable, and they only obey my commands.

    You see, gentlemen, things will only get worse...even now, cargo containers filled with thousands of my warty warriors are quietly being delivered to major cities in every country in the world. At my signal, these containers will be opened via remote control, releasing the toads to wreak havok upon your fragile environments. As the toads spread relentlessly, they will destroy entire ecosystems, severely compromising the food supply of the planet. As the global famine ensues, no place on the planet will be safe. You will fall upon one another like wolves...civilization as you know it will cease to exist...that is...unless you pay me...

    One hundred billion kajillion fafillion dollaaars!!!

    Gentlemen, you have my demands...peace out.

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    1. Re:Mr. President, Dr. Evil is on the line: by badmammajamma · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot to mention that subsequent varieties will also be equipped with powerful "lasers" on their heads.

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  11. didnt RTFM by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 5, Funny

    france is invading australia?

    1. Re:didnt RTFM by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, these are toads, not frogs...

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  12. Echos of Another Great Campaign 74 Years Earlier by coaxial · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hopefully Her Royal Australian Army will meet with more success in the Great Toad War than they did in the Great Emu War.

  13. All the markings of a bad B movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can only imagine as soldiers fire their atuomatic weapons wildely, all the time screaming "Pull Back, Pull Back, there's too many of them, Mate!"

  14. This is no kind of solution by allanc · · Score: 4, Funny

    After this, they're just going to have to find some *bigger* predator to take out the Army. It's a neverending cycle.

    1. Re:This is no kind of solution by Steendor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chuck Norris?

  15. I suggest the Ripley strategy by rk · · Score: 4, Funny

    I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  16. Sending in the army to kill the frogs? by hyfe · · Score: 2, Funny

    about time, those French are bloody annoying!

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  17. That was close... by OmegaBlac · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let the world be glad that these are only toxic toads and not Battletoads. Of course if there was a world-wide rat infestation we would probably be very thankful for their help in eradicating the rodents.

  18. Simple by njchick · · Score: 2, Funny

    Make the toads lick each other.

  19. Oblig. South Park by Lazbien · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot: Blah Blah Blah Toads invading Australia
    Dougie: Simpsons Did It!

    Episode 6x16: Bart vs. Australia.

  20. Diversity is strength. by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Diversity is strength. Australia is an inbred backwater of an ecosystem that needs to be enriched so it looks like the world. Predators who are foolish enough to eat poisonous frogs from more evolutionarily advanced ecosystems are doomed and we should celebrate their demise as the relentless march of evolution progresses ever onward to a glorious day when that heavenly brown-green-grey goo eats everything.

  21. Better headline by liak12345 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Australia deploys troops for Amphibious Warfare

  22. Go to your local plant nursery, look around by ianscot · · Score: 3, Informative

    People never seem to learn this lesson. It doesn't matter that kudzu and dandelions and purple loosestrife and house sparrows and starlings and gypsy moths and buckthorn and... you get the picture: it doesn't matter that any given introduced species goes nuts and that other introductions meant to curb earlier mistakes blow up. People don't see how it could happen the next time. They just don't care that much.

    Head on down to your local plant nursery and consider what share of the plants there are native to your area. The percentage will be pitifully small unless you're in Hawaii or something. Hawaii takes plant imports very seriously. In my area, even when there's a perfectly good native species like American bittersweet vine, the nursery will decide to carry a eurasian species that has some slightly different quality. Bam: eurasian bittersweet swallows whole forests in the south. The native version didn't do that. Gee, I guess the difference was a little bit bigger than we thought.

    People could have planted native chestnut trees. They were the dominant species of non-mast food tree in eastern U.S. forests, and a huge wildlife habitat -- until they were wiped out by the chestnut blight brought over on shrubby eurasian chestnuts by plant nurseries. Didn't learn from that one either.

    If anything, where there are legal restrictions about plants, they're usually an encouragement not to plant natives. Introduced species are so much more civilized, or something.

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    1. Re:Go to your local plant nursery, look around by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Japanese Knotweed is another gem brought over that overruns disturbed areas (trails, roadsides, etc). I've worked with groups that try to control invasive species and it is a Sisyphisian task. You have to be 100% committed to it over many years. You have to tear their roots out or poison them season after season and get every little cluster of them.

      Here is one especially lovely plant that was brought over. The Giant Hogweed (sounds just lovely, doesn't it?). Get the sap in your eyes and it can blind you. Get it on your skin and you could be permanently scarred. Some were found growing in Western Massachusetts a few years back.

      Sometimes I think it would make more sense to genetically splice beneficial plants with invasives. Knotweed that grew oranges or Loosestrife that grew strawberries wouldn't be bad at all.

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  23. Should be a good fight... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but ultimately my money is on the toads.

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  24. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They kill their frogs with ESP.

    No, really!

    "A DIA 1975 report, "Soviet and Czechoslovakian Parapsychology Research, described "a scientific breakthrough of tremendous significance." Soviet scientists had reportedly learned that "psychic" abilities stemmed from a kind of brain energy. This energy, it was claimed, had been extracted from the brain into a beam. The beam was focused on houseflies, who "died instantly." A Soviet "killer psychic," one Nina Kulagina, was even able to "stop" the heart of a laboratory frog."

    http://www.markriebling.com/archives/00000304.html

  25. Re:Why doesn't poison kill the host? by LouisZepher · · Score: 2, Informative

    On one hand, imunity. On the other, such animals evolved a really nifty trick called not biting or licking themselves.

  26. Keep away from mouth by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Poisonous? Damn, there goes my idea to have thousands of princesses go out and kiss them.

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  27. Re:We shall fight them in the ponds, we shall ... by nuzak · · Score: 2, Funny

    > This just in: President Bush announced we are invading Antartica to destroy the cane toads in Australia.

    Well, at least he's close. It took a last-minute phone call to abort the 5th Airborne who just about to go into Vienna.

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  28. wait wait wait! by jaimz22 · · Score: 4, Funny

    let me get this straight, Australia has an army?

  29. Wonderful Cane Toads movie by Mr.Ziggy · · Score: 4, Informative
    The best look at this problem is an old documentary called Cane Toads: An Unnatural History.


    I own the DVD because it is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Truly memorable, educational, and completely bizarre. Before we had documentary parodies like Best of Show, there were real documentaries that were even better.

    Must see:
    Little girl playing with toads like Barbie dolls
    Man killing cane toads. Multiply by the thousands now + camo for army effect.

    Reviews and more info:
    http://www.wowozanga.com/2006/06/19/army-called-in -to-fight-toxic-toad-invasion-in-australia.htm
    http://www.badmovies.org/movies/canetoads/

  30. simple solution #9 by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, no, the solution is really quite simple. You see, there are these large, carniverous lizards from Equador that happen to like to eat these toads. Fortunately, they multiply very fast so they will kill off the toads in no time. Brilliant!

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  31. Simple Solution by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Crocodile Hunter could just lure them to the soldiers using his infant son as bait. No, wait...

    Seriously though, I live in South Florida, US where they also pulled this trick (to save money for the rich sugar cane barons, but that's another story) and it's had the same sort of disastrous results. As soon as the toads found out that there were suburbs nearby, they quickly abandoned the cane fields and settled in the nice comfy urban neighborhoods. The toxin is extremely poisonous therefore, not only do they have no known predators, but they also kill household pets who are unlucky enough to encounter and bite them.

    There is not very much you can do to control the Bufo's except to remove sources or food and water. These things thrive on pet food and we'll always have them in my neighborhood as long as morons keep leaving their pet food outside in their driveways (which also attracts rats, possums, and other nasties). They're also said to be able to survive months underground during the dry season and then emerge in the wet which is just starting here now so needless to say, my block has been crawling with them for the last 3 weeks.

    I've also seen very little on humane ways of eradicating these pests. One site advocates putting them in a bag in your freezer until they're frozen solid but this doesn't sit well with the wife I'm afraid. I've heard of people pouring ammonia and other toxins on them (these are sluggish toads easily hand caught, not leaping frogs) but this seems cruel as well as not very envrionmentally friendly. We have a large dog who pounces on anything that moves, so needless to say controlling these things is a real concern. I personally know of several people who have lost their pets in the last year due to deadly encounters with Bufo's and that's one reason my dog never goes into the yard alone for any length of time.

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    1. Re:Simple Solution by dieScheisse · · Score: 2, Informative

      info link

      I also live in Florida, Tampa to be specific. I moved into a house north of the city and about 2 years in starting noticing these toads in the back yard. At first I didn't think much of them...they were small and few in numbers. Then they started getting bigger and I do mean big. But still, I didn't think much of them. I never left any sort of food outside for them so I figured they ate bugs and whatever else they could find.

      Then one day after letting my dogs outside I noticed one was salivating profusely, so much that it looked like someone had turned on a faucet in her mouth. She is one to chase everything and anything...squirrels, anoles, whatever. I wiped her up and she seemed fine so I didn't worry much about it. A month or so later we went out of town. When we got back, the woman who petsat for us said that the same thing had happened to her. I thought weird, but again didn't think much of it because nothing happened again.

      During a later visit to the vet, I mentioned to them about these toads in the yard. The tech went into the back and came back with one of these toads in a formaldehyde jar. She then informed me exactly what they were and how dangerous they are to pets. I then put 2 and 2 together and realized how lucky my dog was (she weighs only 30 lbs).

      Since that time, anytime I see one I immediately kill it. Fuck being humane. They need to be eradicated. I get out the shovel and start smacking the crap out of them. Sometimes it takes a good 4 or 5 hits before they finally succumb.

      Good riddance.

  32. Irony? by DanHibiki · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Evolved toads march towards Darwin", there is something very ironic about all of this.

  33. Chazwazzer by modi123 · · Score: 2, Funny

    A "bullfrog"?!?! That's a funny name. I woulda called it a Chazwazzer!

  34. Some Information by mi · · Score: 3, Informative
    what the army is supposed to do except kill them.

    The humane way to kill them, advocated by the Northern Territory government (which tried to encourage citizens to setup subsidized traps on their land), is to put the captured toads in plastic bags and into freezers. The cold-blooded creatures simply fall asleep as they get colder...

    The sad things are:

    1. they never ate the cane beattle, they were brought in to fight;
    2. they are harmless by themselves — only killing the predators, who try to eat them.

    Australia's predators (quolls mostly) are lone hunters, so others don't have the chance to learn from a fellow hunter's fate. Park rangers have evacuated some of them off to islands to preserve the already withering species...

    Interestingly, the feral cats — another menace to Australia's native wildlife — seem smart enough not to get killed by the poisonous quarry...

    It seems like some of Australia's birds of prey — probably, having watched others die — have learned to flip the toads over and eat out the belly, which is not protected by poison. It may not be enough to stop the invasion, though...

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  35. torrent by crabpeople · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.mininova.org/tor/49932

    I saw it a few months ago. very funny.

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  36. Re:Someone needs to build a toadba. by cdn-programmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These naturally powered predators already exist. They are called "crows".

    Aussie crows are starting to learn how to flip the toads over. This is only 70 years. The ecosystem will correct this problem. It may take a bit of time but the ecosystem is very resiliant. Its been able to handle everything thrown at it for at least the last 3.8 billion years and a lot of things have happened worse than a cane toad.

    However - I will admit they are ugly. Also, they make a mess when you drive over them. The thing is the army isn't likely going to be able to make much of a difference. While practical controls should be employed where feasible - wiping out a critter like a cane toad is a lot harder than wiping out the passenger pigeons and Dodo birds.

  37. Do *not* fire a 22 bullet in populated areas by vinn01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A 22 slug can travel a hell of a lot farther then you think. A .22LR rifle can put a bullet a mile away. You could fire at a toad and hit a kid down the road.

    If you want to kill a toad with a 22, use "snake shot". That is tiny pellets in a 22 cartridge.

    Why fight nature? Get rid of the dog and make pets of the toads?

    1. Re:Do *not* fire a 22 bullet in populated areas by bmk67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A 22 slug can travel a hell of a lot farther then you think. A .22LR rifle can put a bullet a mile away. You could fire at a toad and hit a kid down the road.

      If you want to kill a toad with a 22, use "snake shot". That is tiny pellets in a 22 cartridge.

      Why fight nature? Get rid of the dog and make pets of the toads?


      If I'm shooting at a toad on the ground four feet in front of me, it's not going to put the bullet a mile away or in the kid down the road, even if I miss, as it's going to be stopped by the best backstop known to man - planet Earth. A .22LR is only going to "put a bullet a mile away" (and I *seriously* doubt that claim) if you fire it at approximately a 45 degree angle to the ground. Which, incidentally, is why it's an insanely bad idea to hunt birds using a rifle - notwithstanding that it's incredibly difficult to hit a flying target with one. Though the next time I'm hunting poisonous flying toads, I'll consider your advice.

      For you to "hit the kid down the road" you've got the violate at least two of the three fundamental rules of firearms safety - and if you're that stupid and careless, you shouldn't be allowed to feed yourself much less own and operate a firearm.

      Ok, smartass comments aside - provided you are competent enough to handle a firearm at all, snakeshot is a great idea - unless you live in an area where it's not safe to discharge a firearm, it's probably not legal either, even with snakeshot. For those of you who live in such areas, I'd recommend a pellet gun or slingshot - provided you're competent to be handling dangerous weapons at all - for the rest of you, may I suggest a nerf bat?