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Boeing Connexion, No More Wi-Fi at 30,000 ft?

symonty writes "After 6 years and one billion dollars, Boeing is evaluating whether or not their wifi for planes connectivity business can be a viable business. " I've never had the actual pleasure of evaluating it or not; some folks, however, have said it's a great service.

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  1. Money versus power by andrewman327 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who is going to pay for an Internet connection on a really long flight when their laptop battery can't carry a charge long enough to use it all the way? I could use my LifeDrive, but that's not the best browsing experience. I wish AMTRAK would get wifi, as they have power outlets next to every seat and their trains take longer than aircraft.

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    1. Re:Money versus power by Agent00Wang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what secondary batteries are for. I'd imagine that most frequent business travelers would be prepared for such a situation.

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    2. Re:Money versus power by Steve+Cox · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Who is going to pay for an Internet connection on a really long flight when their laptop
      > battery can't carry a charge long enough to use it all the way?

      Modern long/mediaum haul aircraft have personal power outlets on each seat into which you can plug special power adapters/inverters. I only had a problem once, and that was easily solved by asking the stewardess to turn the power on....

      The biggest issue with these kind of internet connections is the price, which would certainly stop me from using it unless the company is willing to foot the bill (Anyway, I'd rather be watching a movie or sleeping than working).

      Steve.

    3. Re:Money versus power by zaphod_es · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can find out what each airline offers at http://seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power. php

      The aircraft power supply is usually restricted to 75 watts which is a problem for MacBook Pro and many powerful 17" PC laptops which need more than that.

  2. Whoah by FirienFirien · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How on earth did they manage to spend a *billion* on wifi? The systems in the plan are still wired, so you should only need to shield the cockpit and any more backwards-mounted instruments if you're worried that wifi operation at a completely different frequency to aircraft systems will affect the instruments, autopilot or ILS in any way. I'm astounded that it even cost a few million, let alone a billion. What the heck have they been doing with all that money?

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    1. Re:Whoah by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are two basic components needed for a useful Wi-Fi connection:

      1) A WiFi access point. This is reasonably easy, even if you have to make it play nice on the plane. Flight safety certification/qualification is difficult. The FAA is (understandably) paranoid about such things and I'm glad they are.

      2) A connection to the outside world. On an airplane, this is much more difficult. Unless you want the system to be restricted to certain service areas (like CONUS only), this part means "satellite". Satellite means EXPENSIVE. Hell, even to provide full coverage of the CONUS airspace from the ground would be extremely expensive. $1 billion for such infrastructure seems cheap to me.

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    2. Re:Whoah by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

      First of all, there's no "only" in doing it. WiFi, like mobile phones are designed to punch through walls and compared to the faint signals from the ground, it doesn't take much to disturb them. Still, if that was the true reason they'd offer you a ethernet jack instead. The real issue is the big honking broadband connection from the plane. Try telling the FAA you want to put a high-powered transmitter/reciever onboard a commercial jet. If you were a little start-up with "a few million", you wouldn't even pass the giggle test. You would have spent that money before you even had an overview over all the certifications and tests you had to pass.

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  3. really? by m874t232 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I fly a lot and I have yet to be able to get a WiFi connection on a plane. And given the astronomical prices of in-flight phone service, I suspect it would be too expensive even if I could.

    If Boeing wants WiFi to happen on planes, they need to make sure it's universally available, they need to include it free in first/business class, and they need to charge 128kbps) in economy class.

  4. A shame or not a shame? by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a suitable deal could not be reached, Boeing would be prepared to shut Connexion down, even though the service works as advertised and is used by a handful of international airlines on long-haul flights, one of the sources said.

    Boeing has not said how much it has invested in Connexion, but people familiar with the situation say it is about $1 billion, according to the Journal.

    Some industry officials say the business, because of lack of interest among U.S. airlines in outfitting their fleets with the system, may be worth no more than $150 million, the report said.

    It's amazing that after 6 years with a working system, Boeing won't stick with this. It's been inevitable that Internet access would extend to airplanes and Boeing has it and now plans to give it up. I suspect someone will buy it on the cheap and turn around and make a profit on it in short order. Boeing may rue the day it turned its back on a potentially lucrative market all for lack of patience.

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  5. Great Service, but as for power by hipsterdufus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was fortunate enough to have enough miles and therefore went with a first class seat. They had cigarette-style power plugs, and I had a car adapter for my laptop. They gave a free 1 hour coupon for Connexion, and I paid the full price for the 5 hour flight. What a godsend having the ability to surf while in the air, it makes the flight go much faster. Without a power plug, as is still standard for coach class, I wouldn't buy the service. That's the gist of the problem.

  6. The cheaper alternative. by D-Cypell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely it would be cheaper and easier to simply ensure that the inflight entertainment has a decent porn library.

  7. I've used something like it by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've used it or some service like it (no idea if there's more than one; these flights are on an Airbus not Boeing) on flights between Japan and Europe, and believe me, it's worth every penny.

    Twelve hours of slow agony is transformed into an almost pleasant experience. When you can email and IM friends and family; check all your regular sites; search and read up on research you didn't have time for earlier; check out an endless variety of flash-games and other trivia. The mediocre in-flight movies just can't compete.

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  8. Sad to see it go by stefanb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My girlfriend and I had the opportunity to use this onboard Lufhansa flights between the US and Germany a couple of times, and it's really a nice way to pass the time. Well worth the 30 bucks, for us anyway.

    Plus freaking out the other business class passengers when we set up a live stream and demonstrated the various positions you can put the seat into live from 30,000 feet to our friends back home :-) Considering that the connection is via geo-sync satellite and double-NATed, I was surprised at how well the streaming worked; only about 2 secs rtt, and we managed to push 200 kbit/s.

    1. Re:Sad to see it go by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Plus freaking out the other business class passengers when we set up a live stream and demonstrated the various positions you can put the seat into live from 30,000 feet to our friends back home.

      There should be some badge or other distinction you get from the Mile High Club for broadcasting the various positions you tried out with your girlfriend.

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    2. Re:Sad to see it go by david.given · · Score: 4, Funny

      There should be some badge or other distinction you get from the Mile High Club for broadcasting the various positions you tried out with your girlfriend.

      Oh.

      My.

      God.

      Mile High Club live webcam shows. Call it plane porn. You could make an absolute mint...

  9. Also, the l33tness by pkx · · Score: 4, Funny

    of being able to AIM people:
    me: OMGHI2U
    friend: sup?
    me: OMG GUESS WHERE I AM LOL!!!11one
    friend: ??
    me: THIRTYTHOUSANDFEETHIGH!!
    friend: you got some good weed, man...