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MacBook Users Fix Trackpad Problem with Origami Paper

yonnage writes "Some Apple MacBook owners are plagued with what seems to be a defective trackpad button. The button, when pushed, seems "squishy" and sometimes even unresponsive. While these MacBook owners are getting turned away at the Apple Genius Bars, they have come up with a custom and unique solution to the problem. A piece of paper, placed strategically under the battery pack where the trackpad is located, seems to fix this problem for most users."

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  1. Could work, but for how long? by IntelliAdmin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like the solution is to fold up a piece of paper, and put it under the actual mouse button. This might work for a little while, but it is a laptop. I can see this paper falling in some other part of the laptop, like say a fan or a hot battery - and you will have a more interesting problem of fire, or CPU death.

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    1. Re:Could work, but for how long? by Shawn+Parr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually if you look at the pictures (not sure if these articles have the full pictures, I RTFA'd earlier when it was posted on the Apple forums) the paper is held in a small circular indent above the battery. The battery holds it in place and it should not escape, unless Macbook batteries start swelling like the Macbook Pro batteries and push some gap into the mix.

    2. Re:Could work, but for how long? by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Funny
      the paper is held in a small circular indent above the battery

      I wouldn't trust "circular indents" in a tossed about laptop. And what's the solution?

      The force that holds the Universe together.

      Duct tape.

      (well, well, I would actually use some crappy adhesive tape instead of the spacecraft-grade variety, but you got the idea)

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    3. Re:Could work, but for how long? by brycer22 · · Score: 3, Funny
      and you will have a more interesting problem of fire, or CPU death.
      apple cares about CPU temp???
  2. you COULD do that, by killa62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    or you could just buy a malfunctional battery (one the buldges) and it'll just work just as well

  3. Paper Over Hot Battery? by PRC+Banker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Paper over hot battery? Fire risk?

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    1. Re:Paper Over Hot Battery? by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      No way. Rock crushes hot battery. Good ol' rock. Nothin' beats that.

    2. Re:Paper Over Hot Battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If your battery runs hot at 451F I think you're going to have problems either way.

    3. Re:Paper Over Hot Battery? by joe_adk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Poor predictable gardyloo. Always takes `rock'.

  4. Sounds like a decent way to burn your house down by onlysolution · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are these the same batteries we saw pictures of heating up and warping a few days ago? Are these Mac users trying to make their own exploding Japanese Dells?

  5. stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by Doppler00 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that a silly trick like this makes front page of slashdot? If I submitted a blog article of how I used a toothpick to fix the mousebutton on a generic ACME brand laptop would anyone give a care?

    Same thing with this whole "discoloration" thing about the palm rests. People, laptops are machines, they wear out, they have flaws. It's like some people get so emotionally attached to their computer that if they see one flaw with it they have to write an article about it.

    1. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because the mac fanboys always claim apple has the best hardware out there, but from here it looks like apple is just as bad, if not worse than the average PC maker.

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    2. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by Baricom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The story isn't the solution; the story is that there's yet another defect with Apple portables. The somewhat recent changes to Apple's hardware quality are surprising considering the past obsessiveness with getting the design right. That's why these stories keep coming up.

    3. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The somewhat recent changes to Apple's hardware quality are surprising considering the past obsessiveness with getting the design right."

      Tell that to my G3 iBook and its 6 logic boards.

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    4. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by masklinn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Duh. Mac systems have always been known to be extremely dodgy as far as rev1 is concerned, which is why veterans whose live doesn't require to immediately upgrade usually wait for rev2 of any hardware Apple produces.

      iMacs, iBooks and PowerBooks always suffered high defect rates for rev1s, the difference is that since Apple had much less popularity, there were less switchers and we had fewer internets on the web, it was noticeably less publicized.

      Apple's extremely bad record with rev1s is the reason why I'm still waiting before buying a mac. That, and the Core2 being released by the end of the year that seem to literally spank the Core (and AMD chips) perfs-wise.

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    5. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by pla · · Score: 2, Funny

      and we had fewer internets on the web

      So, uh...

      How many internets do we have on the web now?

      ;-)

    6. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by psergiu · · Score: 2, Funny

      42 of course

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    7. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They used to be the best. It looks like the move to Intel has been a lot more than just a processor move. These new Macbooks are plagued with problems that PC laptops have had for years, and some issues are even never-before-seen. I don't know if Apple just decided to disguise the cheapening of their laptop line with the chip move, but if they did, it's a big mistake.

      Um, Apple was having these sorts of problems loooong before the intel switch. Logic boards on iBooks? Hinges/latches on last gen powerbooks? Etc, etc, etc.

      The public is still being charged a premium price for comparitively less powerful hardware.

      I'm going to assume you completely missed the last 5 years of PowerPC development which ended up with a G4 chip that could barely run a calculator, and a G5 that would initiate nuclear fusion if placed into a laptop. They switched because they had basically no choice if the wanted to remain in the computer business.

      The move to standard hardware now provides consumers with a basis for comparison. Before, you couldn't compare megahertz to megahertz because the G3/G4/G5 processors were more efficient than standard desktop Intels. Now you can because Apple is using the same hardware, and they can't hide behind motorolla/ibm anymore.

      So now it's not that PowerPC is more powerful - it's just that they can't dupe consumers into thinking it is? How about just make good computers and let the public decide instead of lying to them? And if you're still trying to suggest that the new dual core Intel chips are slower than a G4, you're nuts. Talk to anyone who's used both.

      Software and software alone is what's driving Macintosh sales, since quality and performance are no longer viable selling points.

      One chip does not a whole machine make. Compare Thinkpads (pre Lenovo especially) with, say, eMachines - they both use Intel, but there the similarities stop. Honestly, as a latecomer to the Apple camp, I've never understood the obsession with microchips among a group of people who wouldn't recognize one if they were staring at it. Apple makes its money through an OS that many people feel is far superior to Windows, and by creating well-designed machines that are very functional and visually striking. This has not changed with the Intel switch. And like most makers of functional, pretty machines, something comes up lacking and sometimes that's component testing (kind of like a European sports car). But the thing is, that is NOT new.

    8. Re:stupid Macbook tricks make frontpage? by WinDoze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've got a MacBook Pro (the "G" rev, which supposedly has most problems fixed), and it's a piece of shit. It gets so hot you can't hold it. The screen constantly flickers at you even if you disable the idiotic auto-brightness-adjustment. It makes an annoying buzzing sound about 3/4 of the time it's turned on. It blows through the battery in no time flat. The trackpad is installed incorrectly, and there are visible gaps and misalignments all over the casing. All this for $2,600? Luckily it's a work machine. After seeing this I'd never buy one for personal use.

  6. Useless tricks become useful by freemywrld · · Score: 3, Funny

    Woo! I knew all that origami that I learned while bored doing tech support would come in handy some day!

  7. Same problem... by shadowmatter · · Score: 4, Informative

    I purchased a MacBook two weeks ago. At first, it was slightly irritating me. I like that responsive, affirming click when I press the mouse button. But then I realized that only the left and right sides of the button are squishy. The middle of the button doesn't have this problem, so train yourself to push it there. It becomes second nature quickly. (Perhaps YMMV.)

    Or go into the system preferences and set it so that tapping the trackpad clicks. (Tapping it with two fingers to 'right-click' is nice too...)

    - sm

    1. Re:Same problem... by zaphod_es · · Score: 3, Funny

      Never mind the quality, feel the width.

  8. smugness, sodomy by (fagging+beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

    The real question is, do smugness and homosexuality cause mac use or does mac use cause smugness and homosexuality?

  9. One thing all these MacBook problems have shown me by opusman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... as a non-Mac user, is that Apple's after-sales service seems to suck. Sure there seem to be lots of hardware problems, but that's not really uncommon these days. However I would have expected reports of better service given Apple's reputation for "quality products" and the cult-worship it seems to get from it's fans. It's like it's giving a big "fuck you" to its users while at the same time expecting them to whoop and holler everytime Steve Jobs farts out something new.

  10. Why all the blogging? by Pliep · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone must explain something to me. I am a European (Netherlands) so possibly it's to do with consumer laws or something.

    When I buy a new computer / household device that does not live up to my expectations, I return it to the store and demand a refund or a new one that works properly. I always get what I want, including from vendors such as Apple.

    Now why does no-one in the blogosphere think of that? Why start fiddling around with pieces of paper, toothpicks, reinstalling software, "trying this and that because a friend told me". Why? WHY?

    GO BACK TO THE STORE AND DEMAND A PROPER PRODUCT!

    1. Re:Why all the blogging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > GO BACK TO THE STORE AND DEMAND A PROPER PRODUCT!

      That works at many stores in the US, but it does not at the Apple Store. They charge a 10% restocking fee. December 2004 when I bought a new 17" PowerBook, it had a broken keyboard out of the box. Apple wanted a 10% restocking fee to replace it. That would have cost me almost $300. My other option was to send it in for repair, but Apple was out of the backlit keyboards so it would have taken over six weeks to get it repaired. After fighting with the manager for almost four hours the manager that showed-up for the next shift offered the solution of letting me return the laptop with the large restocking fee and then letting me buy a demo unit for $300 off. Since I was tired and was facing a three hour drive home, I gave-in. Paying that much for a used laptop sucked, but it was the best I could do.

      Note: The manager and two Apple employees strongly suggested I not take advantage of Apple's DOA policy. The agreement you have to sign in order to request to take advantage of that specifically states that you will be charged a $400 handling fee if they feel that the device was not DOA or was damaged when unpacking it or during the initial use. I didn't want to risk that.

    2. Re:Why all the blogging? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's why it is smarter to always pay expensive hardware purchases with your credit card. If the vendor gets silly, just let your credit card provider fight on your behalf.

    3. Re:Why all the blogging? by SamSim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it's a geek thing. Geeks take pride in fixing things for themselves. Geeks take pride in never having to go back to a shop and ask for help.

    4. Re:Why all the blogging? by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ***Someone must explain something to me. I am a European (Netherlands) so possibly it's to do with consumer laws or something.***

      It has to do with Americans prefering cheap goods that don't always work to more expensive products that don't always work. For the most part, we don't actually have the option of buying quality products backed by reliable manufacturers. Competent customer service was eradicated by a mysterious plauge apparently inadvertantly imported from Communist Eastern Europe in the early 1980s. Or maybe it was home grown. Opinions vary. Anyway, we are big on fixing things ourselves. It's not like we have another choice.

      If you still have decent customer service in the Nederlands, I would advise you to examine all American (and probably British) imports carefully to ensure that they are not infected with RTBS (Race To The Bottom Syndrome).

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  11. Re:Why did apple have to call it a Macbook? by phalse+phace · · Score: 2, Informative
    So I think Apple is screwing themselves by combining the consumer and pro brand into 'MacBook'.

    Not sure what you mean by Apple "combining the consumer and pro brand into 'MacBook'," but:

    MacBook = consumer-class notebook

    MacBook Pro = professional-class notebook

  12. Not sure what it means by eyrieowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but the volume of posts I see on Slashdot and Digg about fixes for various MacBook problems both astound and amuse me. I could write it off as very poor quality control on Apple's part...and there may be something to that, but I wonder to what degree the Apple users are being more picky than the average bear.... I, for one, can't imagine buying, say, a Dell laptop and getting at all exercised about the clicky-ness of its buttons. But here we have evidence that not only has it bothered many MacBook owners, but one of them was so concerned that he gave it the thought to come up with a completely unusual solution to the problem. So...was the quality control really THAT bad? or are people just being very sensitive?

  13. First Generation by rramdin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You see problems like this all the time with first generation models, especially from Apple. Almost half of the Apple first-gen hardware that my friends and I have purchased over the years have been completely replaced by Apple within a year of purchase. Don't get me wrong, I swear by my PowerBook, but I'll never buy a new product before the kinks can be worked out.

  14. Re:Why did apple have to call it a Macbook? by apflwr3 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    So I think Apple is screwing themselves by combining the consumer and pro brand into 'MacBook'.

    Yeah. They should make a better laptop and call it "MacBook Pro." (cough.)

    The Nano, which was clearly designed to cheap and accessible, does not have the ruggedness of the original machines.

    As per the name, the Nano was designed to be smaller than the iPod. And it is. "Ruggedness" has nothing to do with it.

    Now, the Shuffle WAS designed to be the cheap and accessible iPod. But since it's flash-based, encased in plastic and has no screen, it's actually the most rugged of the three. The only way to kill a Shuffle is to drop it in water.

  15. Re:One thing all these MacBook problems have shown by ratbag · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To provide a bit of balance - my Powerbook was delivered with what turned out to be a faulty PSU. One call led to the machine being collected the next day (at my request) and replaced. Since then I've had no problems whatsoever. More importantly, I'm enjoying using the best user OS out there, since I didn't take one dodgy machine to mean that all Apples are now completely unreliable.

    And before someone feverishly responds "What does one data point prove?", I only mention this episode because someone is extrapolating a few noisy bloggers into "Apple's after-sales service seems to suck". I feel no need to make excuses for the supplier of my computer and OS, but my experience of Apple's after-sales has been wholly positive.

    So label me "fan-boy": I think this platform deserves fans in a way that maybe vanilla PCs don't. I'm also a fan-boy for HP's DL380 servers, which is my bread-and-butter machine at work, in case you're interested.

  16. It's not quite that simple. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like the solution is to fold up a piece of paper

    It's not quite that simple.

    The article is inaccurate. It says you you can fold an origami star or merely just fold the paper in a square. Neither of these methods will work. Instead, fold the origami (or other, but origami paper is preferred) into a crane, as shown here. Then smash the origami crane with your fist, using a quick up and down motion, as if you were masturbating.

    From here, follow the rest of the directions in the article, and your trackpad should soon be clicking like there's no tomorrow.

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    1. Re:It's not quite that simple. by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Funny

      crap. I got to the part about masturbating and forgot all about the origami.

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  17. Re:Why did apple have to call it a Macbook? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, they did drop the 12" PB, forcing those who want/need a smaller form factor to sacrifice for the cheaper MacBook.

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  18. Re:Why did apple have to call it a Macbook? by anti-drew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The GP is correct about the way Apple has changed their branding strategy.

    Old:
    * Brand: PowerBook
    * Brand: iBook

    New:
    * Brand: MacBook
    * Brand Extension: MacBook Pro

    I'm sure Jobs would hate the comparison to fizzy water, but it's sort of like the transition from Coke/Tab to Coke/Diet Coke. Diet Coke is a brand extension of Coke. It's a definite consolidation under the new name. But really, I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing and Apple is screwing themselves. It puts more weight behind the Mac name, and that might be a smart move if they want the Mac to seriously make inroads in marketshare.

  19. That's the evidence by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 5, Funny

    that even with computers you will never have a "paperless office". :-)

  20. FUD tag by skinfitz · · Score: 2, Insightful



    Cue FUD tag on this story in 3...2..1..

  21. Re:double brand extension by X43B · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh I agree, it is way beyond the consumer to understand that a MacBook Pro Ultra-Lite might be.... 1)MacBOOL noteBOOL computer 2)Professional Model 3) Ultra low weight It would be much more intuitive if they would go with something like Dell and be the Inspiron E1705. 1)Insipiron, let me see, was that the notebook, desktop, small form factor...? 2)E--uhhhhhh what? 3)1705, so it is 1.705Ghz machine? nope, $1705, nope, uh? Yeah Apple is HORRIBLE with names, I'm off to buy a HP Pavillion WSXLJPILJPJS32165461, bye.

  22. All about the Apple Care problem by ModernGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've had excellent results when dealing with apple, however there seems to be a problem with their system. If you call to an operator and say, "I'd like to make a warranty claim", they will make the claim as long as you emphasize that it is for a faulty part. Otherwise, if you say, "My computer randomly shuts off" they will say you need phone support, because in essence, they are helping you diagnose a problem. I talked to one lady at AppleCare telling her I needed to make a warranty claim, and she said that I would need to purchase the three year plan so that I can get the one year of phone support. I asked her how to make a direct warranty claim, and she said I can't do that, I have to go though her, and purchase the agreement with the phone support. She told me I needed to pay $49/hr if I took the machine to a Genius Bar for them to diagnose and send it off. She spread FUD. Their purpose isn't to help people, it is to get those plans sold and extended. They are going about the whole thing the wrong way. "AppleCare sales are low, push them!" The applecare system needs to be revised. It used to be that the Genius Bar provided free help, and that you shouldn't have a problem with getting defective things fixed. I can see charging tech support over the phone to a certain extent (maybe each call gets a free 30 min, or everyone gets 30min/week for free based on your phone #/appleID), but this is just ridiculous. I'd be a much happier apple customer if they would simply help people without all this garbage. I feel like I'm taking an HP laptop to the GeekSquad whenever I talk to Apple. Like they are trying to make a buck off my problem with their product!

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  23. I could never understand that, either by melted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bought a Mac mini a few months ago and experienced wireless issues. I took it to the store and had it back in three days with wireless seeing some access points in the vicinity that I wasn't even previously aware of.

    But you should see the GIGANTIC thread about this issue in Apple forums. Folks try everything except for the right thing - take it to the store and have it repaired or replaced. Some folks have been posting into that thread for MONTHS.

  24. Re:OMFGPONIEZ!!! Apple laptops have problems ?! by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you think about them running ads saying "It just works" everything comes into focus. Add to that the legions of Mac zealots.

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  25. Re:Same with Powerbook by binary+paladin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "big heavy MacBooks"? What are you people, hobbits?

  26. Other MacBook problems by otisg · · Score: 2, Informative

    For what it's worth, I just spent a few hours reading MacBook reviews, researching whether I should buy one or go with a regular Wintel laptop.
    Here are the MacBook problems people wrote about:
    1. the bottom gets very hot (one person compared it to a vulcano), not suitable for laptop work
    2. plastic around the screen likes to come off
    3. the white MacBooks get "stained" where people rest their hands. These stains cannot be cleaned with any kind of a cleaning agent.
    4. trackpad problems like this one.

    Guess which type of a laptop I'm now leaning towards? :(

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    1. Re:Other MacBook problems by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems like you've made up your mind, but you might seriously want to consider the ACTUAL frequency of these problems, or whether it's just a few noisy bloggers. That said, go with the solution you truly think would be happiest, instead of being swayed by bloggers eitherway. Better than living in a world of buyer's remorse.

    2. Re:Other MacBook problems by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      1. the bottom gets very hot (one person compared it to a vulcano), not suitable for laptop work
      All fast Intel notebooks get hot. Apple users are used to the cooler running G3's and G4's. That said, there were a number of units that ran exceptionally hot. Every report I've read where someone with that problem actually tried to have it replaced got a new one.

      2. plastic around the screen likes to come off
      Never heard this one. As long as you didn't abuse it, I'd expect Apple would replace it.

      3. the white MacBooks get "stained" where people rest their hands. These stains cannot be cleaned with any kind of a cleaning agent.
      Actually, nail polish remover (non-acetone, non-isopropyl alcohol kind) does the trick. Also, this happens to a small number of people. Perhaps if you just have unlucky skin chemistry?

      4. trackpad problems like this one.
      Test one out at the Apple Store.

      In fact, I suggest looking at all of those issues at the Apple Store. I tested the heat on the MacBooks/MacBook Pros, which are all running full-time on power, and while they were all warm, they were not "OMFG BBQ!" hot.

      In the end, pick the computer you think will serve you best. If you do decide to get a MacBook, you're already ahead of the game by being aware of the problems others are having, and can quickly take it to Apple for replacement. I would definitely check out the heat and the trackpad on the display models so at least you'll have reasonable expectations.
  27. This is too true by Flying+pig · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's sad (but understandable) that IBM sold to the Chinese, because the combination of Ubuntu 6.6 and a Thinkpad is pretty good. This is in fact Apple's problem. The rest of the world has caught up and you CAN have rock solid industrial strength *Nix on a reliable laptop. I'm sorry, but dock icons that rise to meet you are a CGI too far for real world users. When I bought an Acer two and half years ago because there was no G5 Powerbook, people told me it would be an unreliable piece of crap. Actually it is solid, has never gone wrong, the battery still holds over 90% of original charge, and the only thing it lacks is built in Bluetooth. With an upgrade to a Maxtor 5400rpm drive and Ubuntu 6.6, it's still my main machine.

    I watched a demo on a 17" X86 Powerbook the other day and I decided the ONLY real selling point was the screen, for road warriors. The downside is that in order to get the very thin design they must have made compromises, and I bet this is at the root of both the battery problems and the trackpad problems. Lots of research has gone into making reliable batteries with rolled construction - it is much harder to make a reliable thin battery.

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  28. Steps: by kahei · · Score: 2, Funny


    1 -- Buy hardware from a company whose business model consists of selling brand hardware with particularly high margins.
    2 -- High margins != high price. High margins > high price. High margins = high price + low costs.
    3 -- ???
    4 -- Profit! For Apple!

    This is my first time ever with the 'Profit!' cliche and I promise it will probably be my last.

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  29. Re:One thing all these MacBook problems have shown by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm a recently-converted mac fanboy (used to be a linux zealot until about 1.5 years ago). It seems to me most of the problems are with the latest rev of laptops, which I'm happily naive to. I only have a mac mini (actually it's my girlfriend's), and we haven't had any problems in hardware or software.

    The other thing is that I know quite a few people with macbooks and none has yet had any problems as those mentioned on slashdot. My guess is that many mac users tend to be more active online than other laptop users, and hence make much more of a buzz when somethings wrong.

    But anyway, my point is that with the desktops (mac mini or imacs) you've got a solid piece of computing machinery.

  30. WOW... by atarione · · Score: 3, Informative

    i'm not at all trying to bait y'all mac people... but if i paid as much as the macbook costs for a laptop... i'm expect the thing to work... without me having to fold up little pieces of paper and cram them in the battery compartment. i'm just wondering... kinda makes u wish you run osx on commodity x86 hardware???? seriously i swear i've never had to cram little pieces of paper into my thinkpad.

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  31. Re:Why did apple have to call it a Macbook? by bky1701 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can go out right now and buy a SHIT HP laptop and it will probably not have major heat problems/keyboard/explode, and if it does, I can just phone up HP and they will replace it or fix it, yet the "far better" apple totally unsupports their (still costly) lower end line? BS.

  32. Should be a sign: Early Adopters beware! by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone that has followed Apple products over the years knows not to purchase the first generation of any Apple redesign. I did buy the 1st generation snow white iBook (the ones with all the Logic Board problems) and I had reservations from the git go, but timing was the big issue. (I was leaving the country for a year and needed a new laptop, fortunatly I was back home before the problems began) I had a friend that is an Apple Early adopter. He had about a 1-yr old PowerBook (1.25Ghz, 2GB RAM, all the other fixings) the he sold to me for a going rate below Ebay so he could get one of the brand new MacBookPro's. So far he's happy, although the week after he bought it he realized there wasn't any software available and he had to run everything through rosetta. This PowerBook should last me a couple years at least into Law School at which point all the major software applications (office, PS, Pro Tools, etc.) will be converted and any design flaws caught and fixed (hopefully). The lesson here is: (and goes for any technology really) Early Adpotors beware!

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    1. Re:Should be a sign: Early Adopters beware! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2, Funny
      Anyone that has followed Apple products over the years knows not to purchase the first generation of any Apple redesign.
      Anyone that has followed Apple products over the years knows that Apple never learns from their mistakes and will continue making faulty hardware. Whilst at the same time, not admitting there are any problems.
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  33. Some perspective here folks! by mubes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not very often I can be bothered to login to reply to something, but on this occasion I think we need a little perspective...

    Let's start off with an admission - I use Apple products. There, I've said it. I find OS X to be the best OS for what I do, full stop. OK, my servers are all Linux and _occasionally_ I have to use 'doze, but OS X is my bread and butter OS. My Macbook is one very capable machine.

    Now, I don't think you'll find many people who've used it who don't rate OS X. It's a _very_ capable and compelling system which has most of the advantages of a real OS with most of the advantages of a windowing interface - it wins. It ain't perfect, but it's pretty fine. OK OK..enough already. Let's not get into the relative merits of all that...suffice to say, for joe user, it's pretty good. Two of the primary reasons for it's stability are it's compartmentalization of legacy/back compatibility issues (Rosetta and prior to that the mechanisms for OS 9 and 68K compatibility) and the fact that it only has to work on a limited, well defined, set of hardware...these are both big bonuses.

    Apple hardware, on the other hand, is slightly less slick, in my experience. QC and design quality are both slightly lacking, resulting in products that don't Quite Work Right. Now, Apple deliberately set themselves up as some kind of centre of design excellence so they are (and should be) judged against higher metrics than your bucket-pc-producer and, against those metrics, their hardware just ain't so good at the moment. Go google the issues on the MB and the MBP or pretty much any of the machines over the past few years and you'll see issues.

    Now, my point is, we need to keep this in some sort of perspective - can you imagine Dell taking a machine back because it has a soft trackpad button, or the screen doesn't lie flat against the base of the machine? No, nor can I.

    So, Apple isn't perfect, it needs to improve its hardware QC and QA (especially on rev 1 kit), but the only real reason they get such a lot of headlines on these issues is because they've set themselves up as Something Better.....live by the sword, you'll die by it too.

    Please, take all these reports with a pinch of salt. Out of the set of compromises you always make when buying a new machine, don't let a few hardware imperfections skew your decision unnecessarily harshly, just 'cos some people are reporting them with the aid of a megaphone...perhaps OS X isn't the best choice for you, but there's a fairly good chance that it might be.

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  34. Re:I blame the switchers. by mrcaseyj · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Apple consistently ranks at or near the top for free tech support; Dell at or near rock-bottom.
    The link you provided doesn't seem to be consistent with your characterization of Dell at or near rock-bottom. For example in the desktop PC category it lists "...eMachines at 62, ...Dell at 54,... and Compaq cruising in with a 46." Apple is listed at 82. That's low for Dell, but still beats out or matches a couple other major companies, and is middle of the pack for Windows desktops, from what's shown at the link.

    The site seems to contradict itself when it says "Lenovo managed to tie Apple in each case in the laptop survey" but then says "...Apple also scored an 82, with Lenovo at 69..." Or maybe the numbers are just different than the survey.

    I wonder if Apples numbers could be skewed because Apple owners are sort of a special group(no insult or compliment intended by special). There is probably much less brand loyalty among the owners of Windows machines. I also wonder what the price difference is between comparable Apple and Windows machines (if any), and what kind of support and quality that could buy if a Windows vendor would/could/does sell it.

    Maybe the lesson to take from the report is that if you're going to buy a Windows box, that you shouldn't buy it from any of the companies listed, because Apple proves that they could do much better.

    I wonder if you would get better support if you told them you were a consumer reports member and you always fill out their surveys.

  35. Other companies already fixed these problems by sethstorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's because with other companies such as IBM, they actually give a damn. Their Hardware Maintenance Manuals havent really had much of a record of being sued over regarding access. They absolutely, positively make sure the machine is fixed when they are done. If you're out of warranty, the HMM gives you a second out on fixing things from internal speakers to screen replacement(If you've ever disassembled a T series, it's known that you're going to be spending quite a while with all the wires even if you *do* know what each of them do).

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  36. Re:Worse than the average PC maker? by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 2, Funny

    hmmm, all i got out of that was macs are better than pc because they look cooler, have up-to-date wifi cards, and good tech support. Well, the Nintendo Wii looks pretty cool, has an up-to-date wifi card, and I can't even remember a time i need Nintendo's tech support. Screw laptops, buy a Wii! And as an added bonus, you can play games on it without Bootcamping to Windows!

  37. 1 out of 6 squishy so far by engagebot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In case anyone cares, I'm a network admin for a place thats mostly all mac. I've ordered 6 of the new Macbooks so far (5 white, 1 black). The most recent white one that we recieved is definitely 'squishy'. You have to move your whole hand to really bare down and push the button.

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  38. re: Revision 1 Macs by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yep! The thing is, whenever you have a company releasing new products that are designed significantly differently than the "norm", or differently than their own previous products, *and* they're not exactly a "market leader" in sales to begin with - you're going to have some flaws in first revisions.

    I bought a Macbook Pro about 5 weeks after they were released, and mine arrived completely dead. It was obvious it was getting power, but that was about it. No display or sound.... That was quite irritating, but to Apple's credit, they shipped me a replacement that arrived with absolutely no issues. (None of the buzzing, whining, extreme overheating, sound only out of one speaker, or any of that other stuff you see complaints about on these machines.) I've used it almost every day since then and so far, so good.

    I also had a "rev. 1" PowerMac G5 dual 2.0Ghz tower that always seemed to be just a little "flaky". I must have owned it for close to a year, using it all the time, and still couldn't really pin down anything specific. It just crashed a little more often than it should have, and had an above-average number of odd problems with "sleep" mode and so forth, which seemed to always vary with OS X updates. (And yes, I swapped out RAM, reformatted the drives and reinstalled OS X from scratch, etc. etc.) I ended up selling it and getting a newer revision of the exact same PowerMac G5 and to this day, I use this one and it's rock solid by comparison.

    So yeah, my recent experience bear out the fact that Apple products are good, but only after you give them a chance to iron out the bugs in a particular model.

  39. Re:Worse than the average PC maker? by tdemark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you mean the quality of the hardware components chip for chip, USB plug for USB plug etc.... it would surprise me if Apple hardware turned up better in such a comparison since Apple sources these components from the same manufacturers as everybody else.

    This truism is always brought up in this (and similar) conversations, but I don't buy it.

    No manufacturing process has a 0% failure rate. As such, you can "buy" quality by negotiating a price with smaller failure tolerances:

    $x per unit with failure tolerance A.
    $2x per unit with a failure tolerance of A/2.

    Now, I am not saying that Apple does this, but saying that two companies that use the same source will have the same quality is not a straight forward as you think it is.

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  40. i'm not surprised by b17bmbr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    my G4 ibook has had repeated problems with the trackpad. it went back two times and even thoguh I have a few months left on the extended warranty, i just use a usb mouse. in fact, the trackpad problem is exactly why I haven't bought a new MacBook. I am unsure whether I want to go through the hassles again. I am really pissed at apple, I expect to pay a little more, but I expect to get better quality hardware. hell, if I wanted a cheap Dell, I'd buy one and run ubuntu. this doesn't bode well for apple as they've had all these recent problems with the macbooks and MB pro's. I think I'll wait before I buy another apple.

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  41. Kindling? by briglass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aren't these devices wont to begin aflame? I'm sure the added kindling won't help!

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  42. Re:Worse than the average PC maker? by admdrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sigh... you're trolling, but I'll bite:

    Mac fanboys, such as myself, claim Apple makes better computers for other reasons. One example is that when you compare a PowerBook or a MacBook to the average PC laptop the PC looks like a concrete sidewalk paving-slab.

    This is one of the huge problems I have with fanboys... I respect when a machine can look good, but it's hardly something I value very high. Sure, Mom and Dad don't want an ugly machine... but how does the case make a mac a better computer? If toting your macbook around so that people will envy how sexy it looks is what you do, then you have little authority to decide the quality of a computer. There's a word for people like that.

    The superiority of Apple hardware resides mostly in superior design, the fact that Apple usually loads their machines with the very latest hardware, excellent support and they also keep their value very well.

    You mentioned previously the hardware in a mac comes from the same place as the rest of the PCs out there, and 'very latest hardware' isn't entirely accurate. Where's the 64 bit CPUs in the mac laptops (or in consumer desktops, for that matter)? For $2000 you get 512MB of RAM and a mid-level graphics card... hardly top of the line. Not to say the other PC manufacturers do better, but your claim of the "very latest" doesn't stand.

    I just sold a three year old G4 PowerBook for about three times what I would have gotten for a WinDell laptop of similar vintage.

    So even old, outdated macs are overpriced? I feel a little bad for the person/institution you conned into paying more for a 5 year old system. Also, since when do PCs appreciate in value? I've always recommended that you recycle your old computers by donating them to people or places that need them (there's a soup kitchen in my hometown that took my parents' old packard bell and used it for an accounting computer).

    I have had numerous issues with hardware component falilure in Apple computers but I have also never had the slightest difficutly with getting these defects straightened out under warranty.

    This is kind of an odd way to argue in favor of Apple's support. I'd rather have an actual working product over stellar customer support. I guess I've been rather lucky in that I've only had two products DOA (motherboard and video card) and only one component fail (a stick of RAM). None of those problems existed with entire systems I've purchased; those particular machines have never had a problem, so dealing with customer service was a non-issue.

    If you buy a bulk quality Wintel box from a random crapware manufacturer and have any issues with it geting it repaired, even under warranty, can be a daunting task and you will soon find that it ages faster than the high end gear due to it being loaded with hardware that is already obsolescent.

    Do you have any basis to this? What if the machines actually *work*? Then, really, does it even matter if the support is non-existant? (also, you probably wanted to use "obsolete," as "already obsolescent" is kinda awkward (it means "already becoming obsolete"))

  43. New Apple Products by vjmurphy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear the Apple Store will start selling "Apple Trackpad Origami Paper" soon so that we can all have an Apple Origami folding experience. You'll be able to choose either a plain white piece of paper or pay $30 more for the black paper. Either way, you'll be able to customize the paper with your choice of engravings (up to three lines, 160 characters)*.

    * Price/availability of engravings dependent on what printer the store has.

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