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The $899 Educational iMac

Valthan writes "Macsimum news has just released news about a new version of the iMac that is being touted as an educational machine. It seems to be a nice setup, and has the cheapness that us university students strive on, I think they just may have a winner here to get people on the Mac. Now if only JCreator worked on it ..." From the article "Featuring a 17-inch widescreen LCD display, the iMac for education includes a Combo drive for burning CDs and reading DVDs, 512MB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory expandable up to 2GB and hard drive storage capacity up to 160GB. Every iMac also includes a built-in iSight video camera, built-in 10/100/1000 BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet for high-speed networking, built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi for up to 54Mbps wireless networking, a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports."

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  1. No cheap 20" model by hlimethe3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It'd be nice if Apple would release a cheap version with a bigger screen. I know it isn't really Apple's way, but it'd be nice to have the option. There are a lot of us out there that wouldn't mind having a slightly slower processor, a smaller HD, and no bluetooth, but would still appreciate the larger monitor for movies, etc.

    1. Re:No cheap 20" model by Firehed · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Considering that this is basically the $799 Mac Mini model built into a 17" widescreen LCD, I'm going to disagree with you on that one. It would have been nice, yes, but at least relatively speaking it's a great deal. You get a faster processor, same amount of memory and hard drive (both 2x256 by the looks of it). You only get a CDRW/DVD instead of a DVD burner, and lose the Bluetooth and remote (I'm assuming it still has a sensor, but I could be wrong), but gain the widescreen display and iSight camera. Not a bad trade imho, especially considering what's gained by spending the extra $300 for the standard 17" iMac w/ student discount: DVDRW, bluetooth, remote, x1600, 160GB HD - and aside from the hard drive space, I'd question the utility of the other stuff for most students. Heck, I've only used half the 60GB drive on my MBP, though I've also got a fileserver for the media. Apparently all of the iMacs include the Apple Keyboard and not-so-Mighty Mouse, which furthers the distance from a Mini.

      Heck, I'd get one, and I've already got a monster display available for a Mini. In fact, I'd almost have to get a mini for that reason (no room for another display).

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    2. Re:No cheap 20" model by AugstWest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I totally agree. Apple is extremely dense about including decent video chipsets in their machines. It's sad, really, because a lot more people would buy the low-end Macs if they could actually play the games that do get ported over to OSX.

      And yes, there are a lot of good games for the Mac, all of your first-tier FPS games get ported, WoW, etc.... but you can't play them (not even Second Life) on the low-end Macs they sell.

      Cheap bastards are shooting themselves in the feet.

  2. 899 is cheap? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

    /got my computer for 50 bucks
    //i didn't ask where it came from...

    1. Re:899 is cheap? by NemosomeN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about you compare it to other computers, rather than just other things.

      If my elected officials start saying X is cheap compared to the space shuttle, war in Iraq, etc. I'll shoot them.

      I am a Mac user. They are not cheap. This one is not cheap. (Incidentally, mine was cheaper.)

      Still wasn't cheap.

      Dell is cheap.

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    2. Re:899 is cheap? by vought · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.


      At my school, we weren't a rich campus by any means, but an 8MHz Mac Classic and a raster laser printer for $1200.00 was a fucking STEAL when I started college in 1991. Even the Dells with Windows 3.1 were $1000.00 - and you didn't get a printer.

      Times change...but the dollar barrier for entry into the "computer in my dorm room" club has remained nearly constant for fifteen years. If you want a computer that will last you through college, mow a lot of lawns between your high school graduation and your freshman orientation. For $1200.00, you can get any number of very nice Macs or PCs. For $1000.00, your choices get fewer, but there are still many nice machines. This new Mac is a lot of machine for $900.00.

  3. Cheap, but not cheap enough. by zerofoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We recently bought a bunch of Dells - P4 2.8Ghz, 512 MB ram, 80 GB hard drives, DVD-CD burner, with a 19" LCD monitor for $450.00. I could buy two of those for the price of the iMac. Yeah, I know....windows....Mac OS X, windows blah blah blah.

    OK, so the Dell has a separate tower VS the all in one design of the iMac....but the Dell costs HALF what the Mac costs.

    -ted

    1. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by pthor1231 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      does he want a web-cam? does he video-edit? does he think OS X has a nice UI? Better yet, does you web-cam totting, video-editing, "pretty" machine come with a larger screen that 17"? Yeah, it does, for nearly double the price. Maybe some people base their choices on stuff thats not important to you, like being able to choose a variety of monitors seperately from the phsyical machine itself.

    2. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by be-fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are those P4's dual-core? Because if they're not, we're talking about two completely different classes of machine. Dual-Core Dells run $700+ on Dell's website. Also, the integrated form-factor is definitely a plus. As a recently-graduated undergrad, let me tell you that desk and floor space are at an absolute premium in any modern dorm.

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    3. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by tftp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Given the inherent busy-ness of the college schedule, I think many students would easily choose to pay $450 more for the mac solution.

      It does look like these students are busier than a CEO of a Fortune 100 company; no surprise they just throw money at every problem!

      On my planet, however, majority of students have plenty of time, and very little money; most of the software they need is either free (MSN/Yahoo/Meebo/* Messenger, Picasa, Google Talk, etc.) or inexpensive. Windows XP comes with MovieMaker, FWIW, and a GarageBand app is really an {over|under}kill for practically anyone: "You've just finished editing your latest iMovie masterpiece. Now it's time to think about the musical score."

    4. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So yeah, you COULD buy a Dell
      Seriously, there are plenty of other PC manufactorers out there. There isn't just Dell.
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    5. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by cwgmpls · · Score: 2, Insightful

      does he want a web-cam? does he video-edit?

      If he's a student, yes. Video conferencing and video editing and standard functions in today's e-learning envirnoments -- they're becoming just as essential as word processors were in the 80's.

      Try to add the video and graphic capabilities of a $899 Mac to a $450 Dell and you would start to be close in price. The main difference would become the Mac's ease of use and reliability for video and graphic functions.

  4. Re:Unfortunately by manboy9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What school are you going to?

    My Uni is one of the biggest MS sellouts there is and they still expect CS students to program on, and submit assignments on UNIX. Mac is much more compatible with UNIX than Windows is, so this would make sense for us.

  5. A bit spoiled? by aliens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the cheapness that us university students strive on

    $900 for a computer, for students, er yeah I guess some of them have that kind of cash. But I don't think they fit the stretched to the max, loans up the wazoo students that you'll encounter in today's universities. Those students still get by on the computer resources made available by the school.

    In fact for $400 you could get a laptop from a couple of PC makers.

    Saying that any price point is cheap and affordable only makes you look like an ass and makes other people feel bad. /Get off my lawn

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  6. Re:Cash by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple has no plans for financing that I am aware of.

    Although that post was supposed to be humorous it is a problem.

    My compaq v4000 notebook I got for $740 was financed with a high interest 14.4% APR loan. With these its about $35 but I had $300 cash from working and saving so it turned out to be affordable for college students. The best Apple could do was a 90 day loan. Uh sorry.

    Apple loyalists claim their systems are like BMw's for the wealthy to make themselves feel supperior. Well it wont help spread the platform in the university market with options like that.

  7. Re:Unfortunately by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful
    (for most any CS major, it is essential to be able to develop for Windows -- other operating systems are a huge plus).

    I graduated with an engineering degree in 2002, but took a few CS courses. All of the work was done on the CS lab UNIX boxes (Suns at the time, upgraded to commodity BSD machines right about the time I finished). Remember that CS is about teaching *concepts* rather than putting out functional code-monkeys - that's what "IT" programs are for.

    -b.

  8. Re:Unfortunately by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't verify that the software is actually better anymore. Could be the Intels make them crash as often as a regular PC

    If that were true, then Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and DragonFlyBSD would have to, when running on a regular PC, crash as much as Windows, too. If they don't, then perhaps PowerPC isn't as magical as you appear to think it is.

  9. Re:Yes $899 is cheap. by pyite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I spend so much time in MATLAB that if my use of it had to be comfined to the lab, I would go out of mind. It's not just one part of the year. It's constant. Nearly day in and day out.

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  10. where's the $250 educational mac by t35t0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until the price of mac's go down to $250 or the price of a mac laptop goes down to $550 i can't afford one;

  11. Re:Corner Them - Then Exploit. by quanticle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given the fact that the vast majority of computers in schools are Macs, and Windows is the dominant home desktop environment, I don't see how your "capture them early" theory holds water.

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  12. Re:Huh? by dal20402 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    much more powerful commodity Intel box (which is all Macs are now) and load up FreeBSD for around $300.

    Bored again, so feeding the trolls...

    You can't get a "much more powerful" commodity Intel (or other x86) box. The only "much more powerful" Intel boxes use very expensive high-end CPUs. No one here seems to realize that the cute cuddly little iMac has a 1.83GHz dual-core CPU; you're all comparing it with 2004 products.

    For $300 your box will be significantly less powerful than the iMac *and* have no monitor. If you think otherwise, list the specific parts you're going to use, and the specific sources where you found your prices.

    Not to say you couldn't get significanty more power (esp. graphics) than the iMac for *$900*, albeit in much uglier form, but come on.

  13. Re:Yes $899 is cheap. by vought · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd highly recommend someone purchase an entry level laptop, e.g. an ibook (used is fine) or a used PC but that is ALL they need to succeed at university in any field.

    Maybe it's all you need, but your peers in the "Advanced Nonlinear Editing" class are going to be enjoying lots of practice time at home while you spend hundreds of hours in the lab, at school, late at night - because your iBook won't run any of the current NLE tools. Or maybe you're an aspiring photojournalist and need to quickly manipulate 30-50MB image files. A 2001 iBook isn't going to cut it.

    Considering that many schools are $5-$10k per year, isn't even $2500.00 a worthwhile investment in a tool that with care will last through most, if not all of your higher education? Why are people here grousing about a $900.00 price point when it's clear that not only is this a great deal on a Mac, it's a very capable PC as well!

  14. Cut the propaganda! by ccollao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm gonna burn some karma here to complain..

    Come on.. this is puRe advertisement about Mac, could you stop it!
    No news here, just advertisement, and I don't want advertisement covered as a story (yeah, yeah, somebody is going to say, then don't read /.), but this special discounts are really pi**n' me off...

    If these are news, I would like to read the news about the special discount from Dell for grannies. I'm sure it rocks!

    Please, don't get me wrong, I own several PowerBooks/iBooks (in fact I'm writing this posts in one!), so I don't have anything against macs, I'm against lame stories on the FrontPage of ./

  15. still relatively expensive ... by ssand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhapse it's just the market in my city, but you can get a nice computer for 399 - 499 CDN. These type of deals are usually factory refurbished from the manufacturer, but are today's technology. if you watch the papers for a deal, you can easily get something good (with xp, dvd burner, and what not) for under 500 CDN.

  16. Re:5 USB ports? by NilObject · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do car makers say their cars have "4 seats", because one is taken up by the driver?

    No computer maker reports their product's number of ports based on what they thing you might or might not have plugged in to it. I just don't understand how saying your computer has 5 ports when it... has 5 ports is misleading.

    "My car has 5 seats."

    "NO IT DOESN'T! YOU BIG PHONEY! PHONEY MC-FAKERSON! FAKER!

  17. They do come cheaper than that: by Britz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://listings.ebay.com/_W0QQsocmdZListingItemLis t?sofocus=pf&sbrftog=1&from=R2&catref=C3&socmd=Lis tingItemList&sbrbin=t&satitle=&sacat=3736%26catref %3DC6&fsop=3%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum =1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&a14=-24&a26444=26556&a 12=26564&a25710=-24&a10244=-24&gcs=1504&pfid=1810& reqtype=2&pfmode=1&alist=a14%2Ca26444%2Ca12%2Ca257 10%2Ca10244&pf_query=&pf=Show+Items&sargn=-1%26sas lc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&sascs=2&ftrt=1& ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=

    You spend 150 to 200 bucks on the machine and 50 on the crt or 150 on the lcd. If you use Ubuntu you can even save the 50 bucks for XP.

    You get a total of 200 to 350 bucks minus the printer. I would use something that you can refill. Old sturdy inkjets or laser printers that now have cheap cartridges come to mind. You should really be able to stay below 400 in total and installing ubuntu is easier than to install windows nowdays. Especially because a computer illiterate would have problems installing all the anti spyware tools.

    Does Slashdot get money for advertisements for Apple machines? Seeing how much they charge for a machine I suppose they have the spare money.