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Stephen Hawking Asks The Internet a Question

An anonymous reader writes "Dr. Stephen Hawking received about 15000 answers to a question he posted 2 days ago on Yahoo Answers. His question was 'How can the human race survive the next hundred years?'." I imagine you can do better than 'It Can't.' How would you answer Dr. Hawking's question?

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  1. Your Answer, Stephen by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'How can the human race survive the next hundred years?'

    Birthcontrol, ween of dependence on high energy consumption and colonise the solar system, because we sure aren't going to get along forever on this rock alone.

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    1. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Slaughter lawyers & politicians to fight world hunger? Maybe not, but it would be a "Good Start".

      Jaysyn

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    2. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Mantorp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since birthrates are already too low to sustain growth in the countries with the most wealth it seems that if we spread the wealth we kill two birds with one stone.

    3. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by jaydonnell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't thin there is any way we will be living in space in the next 100 years. Also, I don't think moving is the solution to our problems. It's like the drug addict who thinks that moving away from the city will solve their drug addiction. The problems we have aren't a result of where we live, but how we live.

    4. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't thin there is any way we will be living in space in the next 100 years. Also, I don't think moving is the solution to our problems.

      I don't see us all moving to other planets, moons and space communinities, I just see an extension and survival of Man through that avenue. This planet will be exhausted at the rate of consumption.

      It's like the drug addict who thinks that moving away from the city will solve their drug addiction. The problems we have aren't a result of where we live, but how we live.

      And it's energy, per capita, which is mostly How We Live. It isn't just the SUV guzzling gas, but the appliances at home and all the goods we purchase which require energy to manufacture, package and distribute. The USA is consuming commodities at a blazing rate, but China with it's vast population will match that in short order. Economics will play a part, as China and India consume more goods and energy the costs (as they are already doing in most goods) will rise and reduce consumption simply because people won't be able to have it all anymore, but choose from fewer things which are important to them. The big adjustment is going to be when petroleum runs scarce. Everything will change as the cost of petrol increases. Sadly, there will also be increased competition for land as is expected much low lying lands will flood thanks to the warmer climate.

      Be wary. Wars are waged more over competition for resources than any other reason.

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    5. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You spelled Africa wrong...

      it should be spelled Alabama.

    6. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As for birthcontrol - why (unless the couple is not ready for children yet..)?? Space is just that - space, lots of it. With asteroid belt having an entire planet disassembled into small nice pieces with huge surface area.

      People who feel that the Earth is becoming overpopulated don't see colonization as a real cure. Even if you avoided the problem of cost-to-orbit with rockets by constructing space elevators, at this rate you would never be able to move more people off the planet than are being born on it. (This unpleasant fact is a big plot element of Kim Stanley Robinson's Blue Mars ). Therefore, many see birth control as the only way to minimize what they feel is an undesirably large terrestrial population.

      Although the only way to make it really work would be to have forced abortions a la the Chinese authoritarian state. I've seen this advocated before among Slashdot comments. It's ironic that the same community which often tends toward a libertarian view of restricting government power has those who want the government to get into the business of abortion.

    7. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know why he asked gay ol' yahoo... he should've just posted his question here. /.ers have ALL the answers...

    8. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since birthrates are already too low to sustain growth in the countries with the most wealth it seems that if we spread the wealth we kill two birds with one stone.

      Do you have better data than these?

        http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_pop_gro_rat- people-population-growth-rate

      Its basically the former Soviet Union people that are decreasing in population because they drink too much, and the women are wise enough to not want to fuck them anymore. Aside from that, we are growing!

      Supposedly, human population is going to stabilize in 50 or so years with something like 10-14 billion people.

      I don't feel like looking for the nationmaster stats now, but the "greying" of the world bothers me more than people not sustaining a population.

      What are we going to do when most of the population is over 80 years old?

    9. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by a+evil+script · · Score: 2, Insightful

      its ironic how his question is practically the answer to his question...by asking this he has recieved a ton of answers..possibly reaching others who have read their answers and thus creating user knowledge about how if our lives on earth continue this way..the human civilization will be obsolete.

    10. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Thunderstruck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Therefore, many see birth control as the only way to minimize what they feel is an undesirably large terrestrial population.

      Although the only way to make it really work would be to have forced abortions a la the Chinese authoritarian state.


      There is an easier, and far more traditional solution. Have a war.

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    11. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "As for birthcontrol - why (unless the couple is not ready for children yet..)?? Space is just that - space, lots of it. With asteroid belt having an entire planet disassembled into small nice pieces with huge surface area."

      Space is not the only requirement for human life. You also need an extremely small temperature window, oxygen, water, some companionship, and a wide enough range to keep from going mad.

      We live in a virtual paradise, a cornucopia of vast amounts of various chemicals and elements. Time was, people could make a living just by consuming what they happened to find while wandering around tails in the woods.

      Space is mostly just that -- space. There's nothing out there that we need. The fact that we haven't justified the cost of space expeditions by mining or retreiving tells you something about the value of raw materials out there. Even if there were, say, a pocket of mineral in some asteriod, one mineral does not satisfy the various material needs of human civilization.

      To successfully colonize space without the colony being totally dependant on Earth, we would need to find a planet that has some 3 billion years of evolutionary history that created a wide array of raw materials. We can build cities out of hydrogen, sulfur, or nickel.

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    12. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by IAmTheDave · · Score: 3, Insightful
      stabilize in 50 or so years with something like 10-14 billion people

      Brutal honesty in my opinions here, but one can only assume that of that 10-14b, anywhere from 5-7b will be Muslim, 8-9b will live in countries currently engaged in either international or civil war, hundreds of millions will die each year of famine or genocide, global consumption of natural resources will more than double the levels they are now, wars will be fought over clean water (on top of other natural resources) and the distribution of wealth will be equally unevenly distributed as it is now - if not more.

      To boot, major population areas will sustain the majority of growth, leaving sparsley populated areas still sparsely populated. Realization of the down-side of peak oil will have long hit, we will have seen poverty strike hard due to a crash in the international economy, etc., etc.

      It's a grim outlook for sure. Certain populations aren't sustaining because quality of life is increasing, and people are not doing their part having their 2.5 children to sustain growth. Poverty usually sees upticks in populations (as do post-war times).

      But with an acknowledgement of global warming but no plan to combat it, no centralized focus on greener technologies including renewable energy, increasing poverty, stupidly fast industrialization of nations that sustain world-majority populations, and wars still being fought based on religion - where can anyone expect to be in 50 years?

      I certainly hope for a better future than this. But I live in the wealthy, greedy, oil-hungry 300m-person United States. My country accounts for shitloads of wealth with less than 1/12 of the population of the earth. I'm sure I'll be better off than anyone living in the middle east, China, India, etc.

      On top of that, the following things will come to pass: realization and fighting over natural resources as we can only sustain growth in China and India for so long; a conflict and resolution concerning North Korea, and so on.

      Oh, and the US may lose it's position as the world market leader... but that seems inevitable at this point in time too.

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    13. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Abolish religion...

      With only a few exceptions religions purport the idea of being kind to one another and living in peace and harmony, yet even to this day religion has been the largest source of death and despair this planet has ever seen. From crusades, to jihads...religion continues to be the single largest point of friction in this world, because it always promotes the idea that it's followers are different and more important and special than anyone else...

    14. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're addressing our current problems. This question posed by Hawking is so vague that you have to predict future problems to come up with an answer.

      A few of them are:
      What happens when/if we massively extend lifespans using nanotechnology/genetic engineering? That is somewhat covered under birth control but not exactly. You eventually run into the question of WHO you want to reproduce. Maybe not in the next 100 years though.

      I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned populating the ocean yet, it seems more practical that flying to Mars.

      Another thing, suppose we get to the point where nanotechnology and artificial technological implants are common. We could be facing attacks within each individual person. It brings new meaning to Personal Firewall.

      What are we going to do when we run out of IP numbers? ... j/k

      I have a feeling that our energy consumption problems that we face today will work themselves out long before 100 years. It is too obvious of a problem for it to last that long. The number one thing there being remove dependence on the middle east, which we are already working on. Then remove dependence on fossil fuels, which is going to take a good bit longer, but I have a feeling that it will happen much sooner than 100 years from now. Go ahead and come back to flame me 100 years from now if I'm wrong.

      And don't forget the predicted coming problem of mass Segway usage. We will have to redesign all of our cities to deal with THAT plague.

      So, basically what I'm saying here is that we have no idea what our problems are *ACTUALLY* going to be that far into the future. Technology is changing too fast for us to have any idea of what will actually be possible. Think about just 40 years ago, not very many people would have been able to predict a global network of computers, but they were all thinking about the kinds of problems that flying cars would cause in the year 2000.

    15. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by BewireNomali · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe, up until this point, man could not survive without religion. Marx proposed as such and considered God the ephemeral parent of an immature society. Thus maybe the fact that religion has not gone extinct is an indication that society would be far worse without it. Perhaps a world in which people cannot police themselves needs a "god" and fear of eternal rebuke in order to keep them in line.

      For the record, I'm not religious or even a believer, but I do think that much of human civilization follows a similar paradigm to evolution. Things exist for a reason - or did anyway... because they served a function. If religion is this opiate that the masses need, and it is abolished, what do we replace it with? Meds?

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    16. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The counter problem is that we have different religions that are willing to kill huge numbers of other humans if they are not a member of the same religion.

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    17. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by zuzulo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most of the issues and coping strategies folks have been bringing up are reasonable, albeit relatively short term concerns. It appears to me, however, that these concerns miss the point - a 100 year timeframe is much different than a 20 year one.

      I suggest that the human race will survive the next 25 years or so by muddling along in its time honored traditions barring, of course, some unforseen global catastrophe. Problems like overpopulation, environmental degredation, warfare, disease, global warming - these are serious problems but problems the human race has shown itself to be capable of dealing with as long as one is not overly concerned about collateral damage. And when looking at something like the survival of the human race, a few billion here or there kind of falls into the noise.

      Considering the longer term (25-75 years out) future of the human raises some more interesting concerns ...

      One of the questions I find compelling is how human social, cultural, political, and economic networks will survive and behave in a post-scarcity economy. For about 15 years the inflation adjusted costs of manufactured goods has continued to decrease. Just in time manufacturing, custom fabrication, these trends all point toward a transition to an economy based on 'how to do/build things' rather than 'things' alone. I have yet to see any cogent model of how human networks will adapt to this transition, and I therefore belive that this transition has the potential to be quite disruptive.

      Another consideration is how the definition of 'human' may change as a result of technological progress and environmental demands. If anything, I suspect that the answer to the question 'how will the human race survive the next 100 years?' is, in the long term, quite simple.

      Change what it means to be human.

      Terrifying, and extraordinarily difficult to predict, but in the long run the *only* way species survive is by changing - and the potential for that change to be mediated by technology in humans drastically accellerates the potential timeframe. Some relatively simple changes are already filtering into human culture almost invisibly - laser eye surgery, fairly serious cosmetic modifications, cochlear implants, hair transplants, hair removal, sex reassignment, prosthetics, longterm drug therapies, gene therapy; I could go on and on.

      Sometimes the only way to solve an intractable problem is my changing the terms of the problem itself. Just as Alexander the Great trumped generations of philosophers by cutting the Gordian Knot in half instead of untangling it, it may be that the only way to truly insure the long term survival of the human race is by changing what it means to be human.

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    18. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by guaigean · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's basic strategy though. Don't put all your resources (in this case people) in one point of failure. If anything were to happen to Earth (nuclear war, rogue asteroid, etc.) then the entire species would be wiped out in one fell swoop. The benefit of spreading out is that humanity would still survive, even if one planet didn't. Within 100 years? Who knows... Horse & Buggy to Space Travel was quite a leap for 100 years. Space Travel to Space Colonization doesn't seem to be any bigger.

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    19. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny
      As for birthcontrol - why (unless the couple is not ready for children yet..)?? Space is just that - space, lots of it.
      Space, with all its hard radiation, should also be a fairly good birthcontrol device...
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    20. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by PoderOmega · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This planet will be exhausted at the rate of consumption.
      And when our resources are exhausted the planet will blow up? No, we will still be here, and when it gets closer to resource being exhausted things will happen. It is not an optimal situation to do it last minute, but when we are truly almost "out" of oil the cost of recycling tires and leeching shale will be financially viable (just 2 examples). It is just going to get more expensive and people will start demanding that our corporate overlords start innovating when the price is right.

    21. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by mclaincausey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree with your point about an evolutionary perspective things, at least as far as psychology goes. Religion among tribal peoples, however, is quite different than the revealed religions of civilization. I think that for them religion is part of who they are, and that it binds them. Religion and mythology satisfy human needs of understanding (mythological tales of origin of natural phenomena) and they imbue life with a greater purpose.

      However, the Judeo-Christian, Islamic, Hindi, and Buddhist faiths in many ways were developed as a way to cope with the inequities, privation, brutality and sufferings of our civilization. They weren't so much for explaining natural phenomena (though some of that exists in each of them) they were to try to keep people sane and give them hope. Unfortunately, coping with a system that doesn't work is not a good thing. Religion has soothed us and forestalled our dealing with foundational cultural problems that are now threatening to destroy our species.

      In other words, I view the revealed religions not as a necessary development for our species to survive, but a necessary development for our species to endure the system it set up for itself in our anthro-centric agrarian society. And a system this flawed should not be endured, it should be scrapped in favor of another attempt. But it appears we will endure it long enough to destroy ourselves. If we somehow came to realize as a species that this is the only world that matters, perhaps we would belatedly at least try to start over and treat this world with the respect it deserves.

      The problem as I see it is that we still live according to a civilizational system that is hopeless. There simply is no way for our species to survive in this system. It has to be thrown out entirely and we have to build a new system which reevaluates our place in relation to our habitat. I don't claim to know what system might work, but I'm fairly certain it would involve removing mankind from the center of the universe and placing us instead as mere participants in, instead of rulers of, the world.

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    22. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by rednip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's funny that the religions which seem to fight the most are branches of Judaism which cannot agree on who was God's last prophet: John the Baptist, Muhammad, or the current president of the Mormon Church.

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    23. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by ericdano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, abolish governments that support one religion over another.

      And we really need to get radical governments like Iran, and North Korea to stop wasting their money on arms and military and focus on raising the standard of living in their country. I don't see how North Korea can think having a long range missle is good. So, who are they going to launch it at? The USA? That would be a ticket to getting wiped off the planet for sure.

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    24. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by sobeks_eye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's like the drug addict who thinks that moving away from the city will solve their drug addiction.

      Drug addicts don't move to cure their addiction. They move to get away from their dealer, who has a financial interest in keeping them hooked. Addicts understand that they will always wake up wanting a fix. That's something considerably more bearable when someone isn't knocking on your door trying to move product.

    25. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by alucinor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you implying that atheism is a higher evolutionary step, and therefore, you're in a more evolved state than most people?

      Have you considered that arrogance could be your opiate?

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    26. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by kalirion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Terrifying, and extraordinarily difficult to predict, but in the long run the *only* way species survive is by changing

      Just how "long" a run are we talking here? 100 years is not all that long as far as evolutions is concerned, barring sudden epidemics and the like. Some species have been pretty much the same for millions of years, and they don't even have access to technology to help them along. I'm sure that future scientific achievements would very likely lead to changing the definition of what it means to be human, but I don't think it would be necessary to survival of the species. With sufficiently advanced technology, any environment short of a black hole (and maybe even that some day) could be modified to fit the current humans. The human race could conceivably even survive the destruction of the universe by hopping dimensions or something.

      But a world-wide thermonuclear war in the near future would of course bring all this crashing down. It wouldn't kill everyone, but enough to set civilization back quite a bit.

    27. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Tekzel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is that any more arrogant than theists who believe that they know what goes on AFTER death (for which there is absolutely zero proof), so much so that they often come to your DOOR on the weekend to try to convince you to go to their cult meeting? On top of that, they also have the audacity to believe they know exactly how the universe started, and logic be damned. I wouldn't be talking about arrogance if I were you.

      For the record: I am an athiest (as if you couldn't tell from the content of the post, but you never know with some people).

    28. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by alucinor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry to sound spiteful, but I get so tired of people infringing on my right to what I see as reality.

      Yes, I believe there is a God. I wake up, and I feel like I'm staring him in the face all day. I can't give you any more evidence for God than I can give you for myself as a true consciousness. But instinctively I know God is with me just as I can say, "I am".

      If that somehow makes me crippled in other people's eyes, then so be it. But God is a part of me, and to deny that would be to deny who I am.

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    29. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by BewireNomali · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not an atheist. I am not implying that atheism is a higher evolutionary step. Marx did, hence the reference.

      Re: arrogance being an opiate, I'm certain it can be for some. I tend to think that there is some arrogance in atheists, as absolute certainty in the nonexistence of God is probably as foolhardy as absolute certainty (not any evidence). In that sense I think atheists and believers have a lot more in common than they think.

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    30. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by srussell · · Score: 2, Insightful
      To boot, major population areas will sustain the majority of growth, leaving sparsley populated areas still sparsely populated. Realization of the down-side of peak oil will have long hit, we will have seen poverty strike hard due to a crash in the international economy, etc., etc.
      I submit that these are two contradictory proposals. Urban concentrations will be the hardest hit by a severe oil shortage. No oil, for urban areas, means no heating and no food. If you live in a rural area, you'll have more easy access to farm produce and the possibility of heating your house with wood. If you live in the city, you're screwed. There'll be no oil to get the food from the countryside to you, and there are very, very few apartments in the US that come with a stove, much less having access to wood or coal with which to stoke it. Furthermore, without oil, factory farming will take a big hit, so the per-capita food production will drastically fall. More of the population will have to turn their attention to the manual labor of producing food.

      I expect that when we run out of oil, unless we've developed a good replacement in time, you'll see a mass migration to rural areas.

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    31. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That and there is an imbalance starting of men vs. women. If I recall the episode of 60 mins right I believe it was 56% to 44%, and growing.

      The one child policy = chuck the baby girl down a well because ancient custom says boy must be first born.

      So there are a lot of teens hard up to find the chicks.

      least that's what my forced to sit on a plane for 8 hours with nothing more to do than watch 60 min addled brain remembers

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    32. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by alucinor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Alright, this comment of mine was silly.

      I believe in God, obviously, so I was set off a bit. I shouldn't really care, though, how other people think. Actions are what matter, after all.

      I do agree that religion is foolish; I see it as a way of objectifying God, reducing him into an idol, a utility. And as a utility, religion is indeed unnecessary.

      God is just a part of me, though. I don't know WHAT he is as much as WHO he is. He's at the core of who I am, and to deny God would be to deny my own existence. I don't feel any handicapped by this any more than I feel that breathing or a pulse is a handicap, or that my love for my wife is a useless reliance and a weakness.

      God and I are good friends. He communicates with me on a daily basis, using events in my own life around me as his vocal chords.

      And I doubt mean to make it sound as if I have a special connection that elevates my status, because the way I see it, God is not above me or you. There is no hierarchy, so there is no elevation of status through association.

      It's merely an instinct. I tried denying it for years, but I eventually had to come to accept it as intrinsic to who I am. That's the kind of creature I am. Perhaps you are just different sorts of creatures.

      I see the scientific, testable aspect of God as being Love. That we can all share, despite our internal universes that define who we are.

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    33. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by BewireNomali · · Score: 5, Insightful

      huge numbers is relative. there are six billion people on the planet. an argument can be made tha organized religion has been inordinately successful. Too successful.

      I think your point is valid to some degree but I think its because another inexorable drive has reached critical mass. Technology. Information is available to all and is free. We've developed sophisticated ways of waging war. What once required the might of a country now requires nothing more than some cash and enough dedicated people to fill your average classroom. The BARRIERS TO ENTRY are too low. It makes EVERYONE a threat.

      A theory floats around about why we've never heard from another species. It proposes that they all reach a point at which they use their own technology to destroy themselves. In other words, no civilization can survive its own technological advancement past a critical juncture.

      We've been on the brink of it since the dawn of the atomic age.

      So, in hindsight, the post I originally responded to wasn't too far off. At some point, organized religions are going to have to concede to something else... some other unifying force. However, I don't think banning religion or making it a forceful change is going to work. People have to evolve.

      My mom always said not to argue with fools. I never understood what she meant as a child. She explained it to me further - that when you discuss something with someone, you're at the mercy of the person in the group with the least ability to comprehend. The group can only move forward with consensus when that person does so. So in a group, you're not at the mercy of the top of curve so much as at the mercy of those at the bottom. Here in the US, Bush's appeal is somewhat an indication of this.

      Not to label religious zealots as fools, but we can't move to another place until the zealots decide, one way or another, to not be zealots anymore.

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    34. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by IdahoEv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am not worried about the human race *surviving*.

      Wars today are no more frequent than they have been at any point in history, and I expect them to decrease (among developed nations only, because of economic interdependency). Even the worst environmental crisis wouldn't kill *everybody*.

      In the worst-case scenarios I see, a pair of world wars* kill millions and melting ice caps displace 1.5 billion living on the worlds seacoasts as we move towards the end of the 21st century. I don't think both are necessarily going to happen, but even if they did that's a far cry from wiping out the species.

      Even in the case of a full-on nuclear exchange, places like New Zealand and Madagascar are both low population and not particularly strategically located. Both could become reasonably self sufficient and survive with a fairly large population.

      * Two world wars: US-Taiwan-India vs. China and Western Christian nations + Israel vs. Islam. They could happen simultaneously if the India/Pakistan conflict pushes the islamic world into an alliance with China.

      A far more relevant question is how can the human race prosper and continue to grow? The fact is, I think it will.

      Yes, we are running out of oil. But as the price goes up (and it will), other technologies will become competitive. Coal Gasification is frankly not that far away in economic competitiveness, and it can produce enough petrolem for a couple hundred years. We'll switch to it around the time US gas prices hit $6 or $7 per gallon. That will give us plenty of time for fusion and orbital solar power to become developed. We won't run out of energy.

      Global warming will probably screw the 25% of humanity living near the seacoasts. Developed nations will build garganutan coastal dikes, and a billion southeast asians will have to move late in the 21st century. That will suck, but it won't significantly affect the global population.

      I frankly doubt major world wars between developed nations. The world economy is far more interdependent than it was in 1936. China and the US can't afford to war with each other because both economies would collapse.

      The USA will become the 3rd-largest economy, falling behind China and India both in productivity and in science. Much depends on whether or not America can accept this new position without deciding it needs to kill people over it.

      Malthusian disaster scenarios are *always* counterbalanced by market forces. When a resource runs scarce its' price goes up, making alternatives viable and spurring research into alternatives. This will be true of everything from energy to food. The poor will get stuck with the short end of the stick, but that's not exactly new or news.

      I think there will probably be some nasty terrorist incidents as nuclear and biological technology becomes cheaper and more widespread. Those will be bad, but they won't threaten the existence of the species as a whole.

      People have chanted "doom" for centuries. Instead, life has always been nasty, messy, and full of tragedy, but goes on nonetheless. The 21st century will be no different on average, the nastiness will just manifest itself in different ways. But it won't wipe out the species.

      The ONLY threat I see truly wiping out all of humanity is an asteroid impact. And that's no more likely in the 21st than at any other point in history. Maybe less, because now we are reaching the point where we could contemplate doing something about it.

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    35. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by jgclark123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Muslims Vs. Sikhs

      Muslims Vs. other Muslims


      I sense a pattern...

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      "May evil beware, and may good dress warmly and eat plenty of fresh vegetables." -The Tick
    36. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Gospodin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know for a fact if 56%/44% is accurate, but I know there's an imbalance. It might be that severe. The key datum for demographic projections is female fertility, so fewer women can have a severe impact on the size of the next population cohort. China will certainly be seeing some much slower future growth.

      Next question: Is this good for China? Ask me again in 20 years.

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      ...following the principles of Heisenburger's Uncertain Cat...
    37. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If religion is this opiate that the masses need, and it is abolished, what do we replace it with? Meds?

      Education.

    38. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I'd like for religious people to point out one single thing that religion is needed for, I haven't found one single thing."

      I will give you a personal reason, if not for believing in god I would be a violent criminal.

      I don't see anything wrong with raping someone, or stealing from them - after all they are just a bunch of meat, with no real existance - they sure think that they are real, but what do I care? They are just a bunch of nerves blinking, no different then a computer. So what if I hurt them, they'll die eventually, and then it's gone, so who cares.

      I might as well make myself happy.

      But, then there's my religion which says that people have souls, they are real, and eternal. And their soul is no different from mine.

      So only because of that I don't behave that way. In fact I'm one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, going far out of my way to help people, because it matters - they are real, and what I do for them actually help a real person, and not just some walking protein.

      I hope you don't think I'm a troll, because I'm quite serious. I do know that I'm not the only one who feels this way because I've had other people tell me similar things. I don't know how many people would admit to it though.

      I'm usually pretty impressed with athiests who control themself, but at the same time I think thier stupid. Why would they do that? It gains them nothing at all, so they lived a miserable life, and died, seems like dumb thing to do to me.

      And don't give me noncense about how helping people is the best way to live a happy fulfiled life - you are just prooving my point, if you are only helping people because it helps you, then you are doing exactly what I said: living for your own pleasure. I just so happens you are helping people along the way, but that's not why you are doing it.

    39. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by CliffEmAll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I never stop being amazed by the arrogance and closed-mindedness of atheists who accuse theists of those same characteristics. (Theists with the same types of attitudes are just as annoying, but there are already 1000 /. posters here to condemn them.)

      It is a simple and obvious fact that neither the existence nor the non-existence of a deity can be proven based on evidence gathered from a human perspective. So some people look at the evidence available to them and conclude that God probably exists, while others such as yourself conclude that He probably does not exist. Until either side can prove their conclusion, which is impossible, it is all just speculation. Given that different people have different evidence before them (transcendent experiences or whatnot) it seems quite logical that they might come to different conclusions. To imply that people who disagree with you have failed to use their intelligence or, as you do later when responding to alucinor, to assert that their experiences can only be symptoms of mental illness is both arrogant and offensive.

      As for your question regarding the things religion is needed for, I fail to see how that is a useful question. Can you name anything for which atheism is needed? For what are automobiles needed? For what is /. needed? Something may be of value or desired whether or not it is needed.

    40. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by OverflowingBitBucket · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The counter problem is that we have different religions that are willing to kill huge numbers of other humans if they are not a member of the same religion.

      We have a relatively small number of people who are willing to cite their religion as justification for already-present murderous tendencies, and a small number of gullible people who have been brainwashed into believing that doing so is the right thing to do. Don't believe the vocal extremists who claim to represent the majority of a religion, and definitely do not heed people who try to convince you of this lie to suit their own dark agendas.

      The world would be a darker, bloodier place than it is if we still had crusades. We do not. We have a small minority of extremist nutcases, and no religion has a monopoly on those.

    41. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by macaddict · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the contrary, in a situation where oil is extremely expensive, who's better off:

      The city with the population of 100,000 who can have tons upon tons of food delivered to them on a single train

      OR

      The 1,000 texas ranchers, each of which have no neighbors within a mile of their homes?


      Where do you think the 'tons of food' comes from? It doesn't just magically appear in a grocery store or a warehouse. It comes from those ranchers and farmers with no neighbors within a mile of their home. If you are out in a rural area, food is not as much as an issue as a city. You can grow your own grains, veggies and fruit; you can eat the tasty cows running around your ranch; or you can hunt wild animals. You can burn wood, straw or even cow dung to heat your house. You can go barter a bag of corn for one of your neighbor's pigs. And what about clean water? A rancher will have a well out in the middle of nowhere. Many rural people have access to relatively clean rivers and lakes. The cityfolk can only hope the water and sewer department can afford to keep running their plants. If oil is extremely expensive, that will translate to higher costs for clean water, heat and electricity. Even if the electric plant burns coal, it still has to get the coal on trains that uses expensive oil products. And If farmers can't afford to put fuel in their trucks and tractors to continue large-scale farming (the food has to reach those food-filled trains somehow), do you really think they are going to send what little they can harvest off to the 'big city' and let their own families and neighbors starve first?

      In a crisis situation, a city is the last place I'd want to be.

    42. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by DavidTC · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly.

      It's not spirituality that's killed anyone, or even faith in God. It's blind faith in humans that say they know what God wants.

      No one should ever listen to anyone who says they know what God wants.

      Which, in the end, is why I have to go with Jesus on this whole 'religion' thing. Read what he said, and you'll notice he wanted you to do two things: Love God, and love everyone else. That's it, those are the only things you should do in the name of his religion or even not do in the name of his religion.

      Yes, Christianity ended up with a lot of trappings of Judaism and Roman pagan stuff, and Paul was pretty wacked in the head on some stuff. But it's not Paulianity or Judairomanchristianity. Don't confuse the message with the way the message was presented 2000 years ago.

      Every single thing Jesus said boils down to 'love everyone, including God'. He doesn't say to follow anyone on earth, he has some things that would be useful, like 'feeding widows' and 'don't pretend to be pious and lord it over people', but he's pretty clear this should follow logically from 'loving everyone', and they aren't 'rules'. Any action is okay as long as it is based in love of everyone, or at least not based in hate or jealous or an opposite of love.

      But, like I said, don't believe me. Read his words, the ones that managed to make through the distortion of the sect wars in the early church. Everything else about Christianity is just tacked on garbage. Especially anything Paul wrote about sex.(1)

      And, yeah, I know it's a bit odd to say 'Don't ever listen to anything anyone says God wants you to do' and then say 'But here, listen to what this guy said God wanted you to do'. That is what you call 'faith'.

      And I've got no problem if someone wants to love everyone as themselves for some other reason, or even no reason at all, or want to called God 'Allah' or 'humanity' or 'nature'.

      1) Why did I single Paul out? Because he was writing to Romans who would attend church on Sunday and then go to an orgy dedicated to a Roman God on Monday, and people like to translate the word he used that means 'sexual immorality' as 'fornication', which it often is a metaphor for worshipping idols, or even worshipping idols via sex, so a lot of his condemnations seem a lot broader than they actually are. Also, he disliked sex in general and was apparently afraid of women with any power, neither of which have anything to do with anything Jesus said.

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    43. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then after their standard of living is raised to an "acceptable" level, it's okay to start wasting money on arms and military? Or should these countries never be allowed to play in the world arms game at all? Is the game limited to a fixed number of players? They came late so they can't play? Do the rules say only civilized players can test weapons?

      Well, assuming by 'waste money' you mean 'Spends more than needed to keep the country from getting invaded', the rules are:
      If there are people hungry, you don't get to waste money on the military.
      If there are people homeless, you don't get to waste money on the military.
      If there are people without medical care, you don't get to waste money on the military.
      If there are people who can't safely walk down their street, you don't get to waste money on the military.

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    44. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by devnull17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OK, I'll bite.

      Atheism is, in my opinion, a higher evolutionary state than theism. If you want to talk about progress, the secular, scientific worldview has brought us all kinds of advancements in virtually every aspect of life. Scientists, not priests, discovered electricity, developed antibiotics, found a way to travel to the moon; the list goes on and on. If you look back at human history, religion has generally been the biggest impediment to scientific progress. Its main use was (and continues to be) as a device allowing a select, manipulative few to gain control over and wealth from the gullible masses. Religion has had a role in almost every war in human history, and there's been a clear trend over the past few centuries: The more secular a country is, the less likely it is to go to war.

      It's popular among secularists these days to placate believers by saying that science and religion can coexist, but I don't believe that's true. The progressive believers, those who no longer believe in stoning disobedient children to death, for instance, are deliberately ignoring a portion of what they consider to be the word of God. The extremists, on the other hand, may find themselves at odds with the modern world, but they're the ones who are truly being faithful to their beliefs.

      I'd also like to add that the human mind has the capability to convince itself of the veracity of some incredible horseshit--look at Scientology, for instance. Heaven's Gate? Jonestown? These people were all sure they were right about the nature of the universe, just as you appear to be. The only difference between your beliefs and theirs is that yours are more widespread.

      Take a step back and look at the modern world objectively. Religion threatens us in a very serious way. Islamic terrorism is a threat now, but it's nothing compared to what it will be when nuclear weapons technology becomes more advanced and widespread. It doesn't help that the world's only remaining superpower is being run by what the Muslims (and some of us) see as a villain straight out of central casting.

      Believing in God, in my opinion, is no different than believing in Santa Claus. It may be comforting, but no matter how much you want to believe it, a fat man in red is not going to make presents appear in front of the tree in your living room. The world would be so much better off if people would just see it for what it was.

    45. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by devnull17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First up atheism takes as much faith as religion. So I applaude that you have a faith based system integrated into your life.

      I just believe in the empirical. If God comes down from Heaven and starts talking to me tomorrow, I'll believe in God. I just like having proof of something before I let it shape my worldview. I'm silly like that.

      so do saturated fats, should we hold McDonalds (religion) accountable for all the fat, unhealthy people (zealots) in the world? Or instead should we say that how people interact with McDonalds is the real problem? A burger a month... no problem... three a day every day... big problem. Like wise faith and religion implemented as caring and sharing, or implemented as a holy war against everyone.

      The difference is that if you eat McDonald's every day, it will probably kill you, but it won't have any direct effect on me. However, if some nut with a suitcase bomb steps onto my subway train with a plan to get his 72 virgins, that is very much everyone else's problem. If you want something a little more close to home, look at the control that Christians are intent on exercising on other peoples' decisions about gay marriage, drugs and abortion. Or the insistence that everyone else's children be taught fairy tales in biology class. Or the fact that the Christian voting bloc was the swing vote that put that monkey idiot president of ours in power. If you're more "spiritual" than "religious," more power to ya. But I've found that the vast majority of religious people out there are little more than sheep.

      the world is a brilliant magnificent place, screwed up by people, just like everything else.

      I agree that the world is magnificent, and that people haven't been taking very good care of it. But that's neither here nor there. Painting things with such broad strokes (world good, man evil) doesn't seem very helpful to me.

      "Religion has had a role in almost every war in human history" WTF? Mongols? Roman? Spanish? Cold war? Way go to with the generalisations.

      Christianity was, in fact, a cause of serious turmoil in Rome. The Spanish are infamous for their particularly cruel brand of Catholicism, and there have been dozens of feuds in Western Europe caused by some petty disagreement between Christian sects. And the Cold War wasn't a war, but many viewed it as a conflict between God's America and the godless, cold communist state.

      "A higher evolutionary state than theism" so its more evolved? More evolved would indicate some kind of advantage over lesser evolved entities, so why aren't the 'evolved' running and governing the world in a athiest way? Aparently you guys are 'the elite' yet your not at the top (most western politicals leaders are affiliated with some religion as are a large number of business people)... go figure?

      Would you disagree with any of the following?

      1. There is a strong correlation between countries becoming more secular or progressive, and the development of technology.
      2. More secular states tend to be more prosperous and technologically advanced than theocracies.
      3. Religion has traditionally been an impediment to the development of science.

      I'm not talking about individuals; I'm talking about sociological trends.

      " Its main use was (and continues to be) as a device allowing a select, manipulative few to gain control over and wealth from the gullible masses" oh you mean like politics? So we should ditch that was well and all revert to anarchy? Because thats more eveolved right?

      Huh? They're not at all alike. Politics is a necessary evil that comes with a government run by a hierarchy of people. But it's better than anarchy. There have been times throughout history when church and state were one, but law and order come from the "state" part, and secular governments function jus

    46. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by kamochan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And don't give me noncense about how helping people is the best way to live a happy fulfiled life - you are just prooving my point, if you are only helping people because it helps you, then you are doing exactly what I said: living for your own pleasure. I just so happens you are helping people along the way, but that's not why you are doing it.

      Someone please mod parent up. This post so well summarizes the problem of theism: what exactly the "believers" just don't get.

      It's not about "happy" or "fulfilled". Those are irrelevant.

      If you want to look at it from a personal perspective, you find this truth: people tend to treat you the way you treat them. Help your neighbour, he's likely to help you. Ignore him and he's more likely to ignore than help you. Rape him and you're very likely to get acquainted with a baseball bat or similar object of retribution (unless he's much smaller than you and you live in a chaotic society where he has no support structure; but then you are both barbarians anyway so the point is moot). Very simple. This is based on how our instincts are built. This is how we, and most animals, work. It's about survival. In a modern society nice people fare better than the punks and idjits. Reciprocation.

      But ultimately a thinking person, past the basest of needs and wants of individual survival, sees a bigger picture: it's about evolution - survival of the species, if you will. As individuals we expire in a relatively short time. During that time we have the opportunity to contribute to the evolution of the species, "leave our mark" if you will. Improve things for the generations to come. For some that realizes as bringing up their kids smarter and better than they themselves were; for some the realization is a scientific achievement (which may be in the form of improving society, in order to facilitate others' evolutionary work), or contributing to such. For many it's a combination of these. Again, this is how we're wired: for reproduction, in physical or abstract form, and ensuring the survival of our offspring (and thus our own genes).

      You don't need an abstract deity in order to determine a reasonable value structure and to find meaning to your life. All you need is a working brain, and a post-barbaric society where you have the opportunity to utilize the said organ.

      Look at any old religion's holy scripture (Scientology and such are modern day con jobs, they don't count). Read with the above reasoning in mind, one can (usually without squinting too hard) see a group of smart and well-intentioned people trying to write down a code to help their less civilized brethren to work towards the common-good goals I outlined above. Since they knew the brethren are not as educated and civilized, they needed to include a "because this really big and strong guy tells you to" clause to justify the code.

      God is a crutch in a civilized society. Think and you will find the reasons why.

      And the answer to Stephen's question: the best thing we can do to ensure mankind's survival is to eliminate the unavoidably jilted thinking (think, you'll see why it is unavoidably jilted) of the theists.

      • Step 1 - teach as many people to read as possible; spread wealth sufficiently to make reading a feasible pastime in as many places as possible.
      • Step 2 - mandate basic works of philosophy (Kant, Spinoza, whatever; ask some professor for a comprehensive recommendation) as basic educationary material; in effect, after teaching people to read, teach people to think.
      • Step 3 - observe religions whither, welcome the real age of reason, and watch mankind flourish.

      Start aggressively on step 1 now, and we might see the fruition of step 3 in about 2 centuries (about 3 generations of old codgers dead and buried).

    47. Re:Your Answer, Stephen by Gaurang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey Devnull17,

      I think you have a wrong idea of religion. I know you got that from the majority of the people that believe that way.

      But religion is associated around spirituality and love and faith. These are three things which make one's life peaceful, meaningful, and end up making the person more happy with himself and with others... thus spreading the happiness.

      I come from India, and our Hindu religion is also a covering over the inner spirituality that is sometimes lost on the outside. But, look deeper and you will find the true essence of religion.

      I see some DavidTC give an insightful post on how Christianity's better part is what Jesus himself said, which was to love god, and love everyone.

      You could also look at Buddhism. Give me an example of how Buddhism caused any wars? And even Hindu religion has been mostly war-free, never did it pro-actively took on war!

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      I have found a solution to Riemann's Hypothesis, but have run out of spac
  2. Educate the World by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In a world that is in chaos politically, socially and environmentally, how can the human race sustain another 100 years?
    I'd like to think that education would cure all three of those issues. But it's a rather naïve view. Either way, I'll have my official answer be better education throughout the entire world about everything. That's our best strategy for making it through the next 100 years. Bank on the children. If you raise a child, it's your duty to make sure that they become far smarter than you are. I think it was around high school when I became much more intelligent than my father but I don't fault him for it. I only thank him for ensuring that his son and daughters were well educated even though he wasn't.

    Given those three issues, it seems probable that we may not make it another hundred years without severe loss of life. I don't think the loss of life will be complete with the death of all humans but I think there is a high probability for a large loss of our populations in one country or another. I don't mean thousands like natural disasters but I mean a hundred million or more.

    We'll survive, just not at a luxury like we've known. Honestly, if a lot of major religions and their leaders could start coming to terms with each other. You know, make it so that it's not like a death sentence when you don't believe in God or Allah? You could also reveal to everyone that our leaders should be more like Gandhi and less like Hitler. That would probably help with those first two problems. In every country, to be a successful politician you need a lot of financial support. Unfortunately, the ideal people leading us are those with no interest in padding their own pockets.

    As for the third problem you listed, we're screwed. We're screwed because our numbers are reaching epic proportions that the earth cannot sustain and there's really no way around it aside from birth control. I don't support enforced birth control as far as the Chinese have taken it but you have to admit it certainly curbed their population growth rate. If nature fails us or vice versa, things will be pretty bad though I doubt we would become extinct entirely.

    Of course, there are an infinite number of universes and I'm sure there exists one which doesn't have any of those three problems ....

    *loads a bullet into the chamber of his handgun*

    ...which is why I suggest you get to work on the machine that allows yourself, ten beautiful women and I a way to cross over to that parallel universe, Mr. Hawking.
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    1. Re:Educate the World by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having more education than someone does not necessarily make you more intelligent.

    2. Re:Educate the World by TheOldSchooler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I think it was around high school when I became much more intelligent than my father"

      And it will probably be around 40 when you realize just how dumb you were in high school.

    3. Re:Educate the World by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Tell me about it, I work at a university. Most of the PhDs here can hardly walk and talk at the same time. Somewhere along the line in pursuit of their degrees, common sense is traded in for academics...

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      "But this one goes to 11!"
    4. Re:Educate the World by christian.elliott · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The issue is also not intelligence, but responsbility and action. I feel that "hoping our children are smarter" is just a nice way of "passing the buck". By doing nothing now, our procrastination is only making it more difficult for our children to solve the problem (if we leave it to them). Action needs to be taken by us now, or it will simply be too late.

      While birth control isn't something that sounds like a great idea, it unfortunately is the biggest things we can do. Each of us (and our partner) would have to limited to having 1 or 2 children (to replace us when we die, or to replace only one of us, lowering the population). As it stands now, our agriculture system can't feed the people that live here now (and no, that isn't just because the rest of us are spoiled, there simply just isn't enough). If the population continues to grow, it is expected to reach 9.1 Billion by 2050.

      Honestly, the only way I see our children (and their children) surviving the next few hundred years is if major changes take place, otherwise we don't have a hope in hell. However, I'd like to end on an optimistic note. Think of what we have created in the last hundred years, then 50 years, then 10, then 5. 100 years ago human flight was an amazing breakthrough, 50 years ago exiting out own atmosphere was a breakthrough, and now we have seen the land of the nearest planet. I feel we are at a pinacle point in our existence, where we are advancing exponientally. While we still have alot to learn, we are an amazing species, and I remain hopeful that there are those out there who are working to make a difference, and change things, as well as people out there who are willing to make a change.

    5. Re:Educate the World by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Informative

      True, but it means you can put that intelligence to better use.

    6. Re:Educate the World by telbij · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can we legalize hunting of SUV drivers?

      Hell yeah! Make 'em actually take those things offroad for once :)

  3. simplicity by jaydonnell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have to stop being a desposable consumerist society. I.e. we have to live more simply. Now I'm not saying that we all need to be organic gardeners who tailor their own clothes and live directly off the land. I'm very much a metropolitan technologist, but I think that consumption purely for the sake of consumption is our biggest problem. The real question is if the market can correct this or if the market will dig such a deep hole that it doesn't react until the shit hits the fan.

    1. Re:simplicity by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but I think that consumption purely for the sake of consumption is our biggest problem.

      I vehemently disagree. Messes are a problem, not consumption. Why do we have this new puritanism taking over in certain places? I don't want conservation. I want to live in a Utopia of plentiful abundance, and there is no intrinsic reason why we can't have it.

      The solution to all our problems is more technology, not less. You claim to be a "metropolitan technologist", but you appear to be a "guilty metropolitan technologist". Well, I say we shed the guilt and embrace civilization. We just need to make being less messy a higher priority.

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    2. Re:simplicity by jaydonnell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I want to live in a Utopia of plentiful abundance, and there is no intrinsic reason why we can't have it."

      The intrinsic reason we can't is that the universe as far as we can tell is finite. However, I think we agree more than we disagree. Our biggest problem is that it's cheaper to be wastefull than to handle it properly.

    3. Re:simplicity by tkrabec · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is not having everything, the problem is it is cheaper ( and culturally acceptable ) to just throw something out rather than get it fixed. My wife works with children, and one day she asked one of them where his new bike was, he said it was broken, after several minutes of explainiation my wife determened that the tire went flat and would no longer hold air. The child thought the bike was trash.

      I feel we need to raise the price of items to make it more economical to fix it than to trash it, or simply tax the item to make it cheaper to fix then to trash.

      -- tim

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    4. Re:simplicity by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait.. are you suggesting we should live a more spartan lifestyle to stave off the HEAT DEATH of the universe?

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    5. Re:simplicity by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I want to live in a Utopia of plentiful abundance

      What is that?

      Plentiful food, a place to stay, and little to no threat of death?

      Take a look around. Plenty of housed, fat, old people, and getting fatter and older!

    6. Re:simplicity by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can wash and reuse Swiffer cloths, actually, if you want to. But, of course, they don't advertise this. You can also wash and reuse things like Ziplock bags and lots of other disposable items. So why don't more people do these things? Probably because the time it takes is more valuable to them than the few cents for a new one.

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    7. Re:simplicity by irm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed: hyper-consumption is the western world's biggest problem. However, evolution has preferenced the survival of the tribal and the gluttonous. Good luck undoing 1,000,000 years of that.

    8. Re:simplicity by linvir · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the loud squelching noise, the strong ensuing smell, and most obviously, from the shit in your eyes.

    9. Re:simplicity by OhPlz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree, somewhat, but it would pose problems for technology. How do we kill off NTSC if everyone clung to their old standard definition set? Yea, fine, set top converters, but then we're missing the point of high definition, aren't we?

      Similarly, what about things like energy efficient washing machines and low current LED lighting? Sometimes it makes sense to toss something that works fine for something new. What if I junked my 19mpg diesel pickup for a 50mpg hybrid? Is society better or worse off?

      Besides technology, how would the economy function? I think capitalism will be the death of us, but I don't see it changing. If people don't spend money on trendy stuff like hybrid cars, LCD TVs, iPods and such, we'd nose-dive into recession. What did Bush say after the terror attacks? Go out, spend money. What did Japan say during their big economic slump? Go out, spend money.

      Personally, I think we'd be best served by better recycling technology and better battery (or any energy storage) technology.

    10. Re:simplicity by GospelHead821 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to think this way until my $100 Wal-Mart bicycle failed catastrophically while I was riding it. That bicycle is not just inexpensive enough to be disposable. It is inexpensive because the materials and craftsmanship used in its construction result in a dangerously fragile bicycle. Yes, you could get four Wal-Mart bicycles for the price of the bicycle I have now, but they're hazardous. Maybe a cheap cell phone isn't likely to hurt you when it fails, but there are plenty of other goods that are. For examplke, in addition to bicycles: knives, toasters, and ladders can all be dangerous when they fail. We have come to expect that goods be inexpensive and disposable and we have lost our appreciation for quality, even so far as it relates to safe use of the good.

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      Aristotle, Ethica Nichomachea
    11. Re:simplicity by dfenstrate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I rode a $120 Walmart bike to pieces in an hour on a mild wooded trail.

      They took it back, and I spent four times as much at a bike shop on a schwinn. (This was before the name got bought by pacific bicycles, and started appearing at walmart.)

      I've beat the crap out of that thing ever since on some nasty trails, and I've only really had to do routine maintanence on it. One part broke outright, but the bike shop fixed it for free.

      It's been said that it takes a rich man to buy cheap goods, and in a lot of cases (ie, walmart goods) it's true.

      Walmart stuff breaks so often on you that you need to buy things alot more frequently. If you spent two or three times as much at the outset on an item, and occasionally maintained it, you'd never have to replace it.

      That's why I buy very, very few things at walmart. Stuff were the durability is hard to screw up (and even then they suprise me from time to time.) I just don't want to keep rebuying the same things.

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      Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
  4. How can the human race survive the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    next hundred years?

    By installing Linux of course!

  5. Simple by toupsie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep on doing what we have been doing for the last 100,000 or so years. Eating, pooping, fornicating, killing each other and creating stuff. Stick to the basics and we will do just fine. Don't believe the doomsday predictions Stevie, there is always going to be a guy with a sign that says, "The end of the world is nigh".

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    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
    1. Re:Simple by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Interesting
      there is always going to be a guy with a sign that says, "The end of the world is nigh".


      Yeah, but sooner or later, one of them will be right :) ...whether it's the Second Coming or the sun burning out in...ummm...how many millions of years?...or whatever.
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  6. Pandemic by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whether intentional or not, a huge reduction in population
    would do the trick.

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    You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
  7. Just one... by TheRequiem13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    good ol' pandemic. A real nasty beast of a bug.

    Kill off a couple billion, and we'll be good to go for a while.

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    What?
  8. The answer by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Funny

    The answer is spirituality, establishment of a world where materialism will be subdued by the spiritual matters. The establishment of the society where consumerism will be frowned at. The answer is walk, not race, think more than act.

    Once the world government becomes reality it will immediately transform the economic system from highly internationally competitive firmly capitalistic to more reasonable more socially oriented system.

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  9. One Day at a Time by PackMan97 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As silly as it sounds...we will survive just like we always have. One day at a time.

    There have been plenty of forecasters of doom saying that the earth would run out of space, food, energy and whatnot and the population continues to expand.

    We'll muddle our way through the next 100 years just like we have the few thousand prior to this one.

  10. I imagine by Wootzor+von+Leetenha · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only solution I can think of involves legalizing, rather, mandating drugs and banning clothes...

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    My name is Wootzor von Leetenhaxor
  11. Change by Bakadan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Humans are like cockroaches. We've infected every corner of the globe, and we're not going away. However, if we are to survive and prosper for the next century and hopefully longer, there's going to be some big changes. My boyfriend and I were talking, and following the depletion of oil resources (and not before), we'll see a massive centralization of cities, mostly on coasts, and a move towards renewable energy sources. Cars will never go away; they have too much momentum (no pun intended). But when this happens, we'll see much more of a community feel, as everyone will be in much closer quarters. The massive towers in Dubai and Kuala Lampur (sp?) are good examples of this, and will propogate into the next century as we won't have the finances to get around. Cities like Los Angeles will become a thing of the past, as it will no longer be feasible to have your suburban house with a white picket fence. With this, we'll see a lot of changes. Society will be permanently altered. But as Gloria Gaynor said, "we will survive". If we want to extend ourselves to Mars and the moons of the gas giants, we'll need to perfect the biodome, to be able to live independently. Interstellar travel is out of the question, and always will be. We should give up on it and focus on going to Mars, Europa, and some of the other moons. -sigh-

    1. Re:Change by patrixmyth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You see centralization as the outcome of depletion of oil reservers? I'd say just the opposite is more likely. I moved from California to my 20 acres in Texas, and I'm on my way to becoming virtually self-sufficient. A windmill and an ethanol plant away from it, actually. The lack of gasoline wouldn't pull me back to the cities. Not saying I would enjoy having to grow cotton for clothes and slaughtering my own steaks, but it would be possible and would sure beat waiting for the city to allocate my ration of food and water. Any idea how much resources it takes to build, maintain and supply a high-rise? I don't have specifics, but my truthy estimate is that it's tons more than a telecommuting de-centralized infrastructure with local food production and locally generated renewable energy. Obviously, everyone can't afford to buy 20 acres, a tractor, a windmill and a still, but enough people can swing it to keep the heartland vibrant and survive a gas crunch.

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      "Don't you know you're going to shock the monkey?"- Peter Gabriel
  12. Small Scale by zabbey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any one trying to answer this question seriously is breaking out the 50 cent words. Did he say 100 years? In the past 100 years there's been two world wars, super bombs have been invented, a cold war, etc. Real question should be: "How did we survive the last 100 Years?" If we survived through all that we'll survive the next 100 years just fine.

    1. Re:Small Scale by cvd6262 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are about three good comments in this discussion that are along these lines, but yours is the best.

      It seems Hawkings question is really, how do we keep our "world" (planet, society, etc.) as stable/stagnant as possible. That won't happen. It never has.

      We may well face some drastic climate changes in the next 100 years (many are certain about that), but the human race has faced that before and survived by wearing mammoth hide or migrating. We may face ravaging disease, but we've seen that too. War? Yep. Will the population decrease at some point in the next century? Probably. We've been due for a correction for some time now.

      About the only forseeable event we haven't already survived is global radioactive contamination. However, the odds of that happening - and leaving no habitable corner of the world where humans can survive long enough to reproduce - are slim.

      Will you or I survive the next hundred years? Most likely not. Will our children? Most likely. Will some human? Almost definitely.

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  13. Talk about a vague question by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Answer: By shear force of will

    If he wants a more detailed answer than that, he should ask a more detailed question. As any historian can tell you, the "social, political, and environmental chaos" he refers to is absolutely nothing new. The only difference between then and now is that our toys are bigger and shinier.

    Pick any period in human history, and I think you'll find that it's easy to define "social, political, and environmental chaos" that worked against the residents of the period. In fact, the conditions that humans have found acceptable in past periods of history are regularly referred to as "squalor" in this day and age. Yet there are precious few examples of civilizations that were wiped out by such conditions.

    Yes, the human race makes a lot of messes. Sometimes we stumble across messes that aren't our own doing. Any way you cut it, though, humans will always react to a problem before it reaches the level of self-destruction. Our instict for survival is too strong to do otherwise.

    1. Re:Talk about a vague question by A.+Bosch · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's the shear force associated with will? I imagine it's not very high.

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    2. Re:Talk about a vague question by venicebeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only difference between then and now is that our toys are bigger and shinier.

      Agreed, but this is a rather important difference in regards to Hawking's question. Our big shiny toys put unprecedented powers of destruction in the hands of very few people. We are quite capable of destroying ourselves now in a way that would not have been easy in the past.

      Take that situation, and add in the gradual ending of cultural isolation (is there any culture in the world that is isolated any more?) -- we may see conflict on a scale we have not seen before as regional ideologies which are incompatible compete for precedence.

      I think part of what needs to happen (and probably will happen) is a psychological evolution. It seems to me that our current self concept is rather narrow - we tend to think of people in our country or religion as a priveliged ingroup. We think of ourselves as separate from the environment. The self needs to expand to include more. Religious and cultural dogma need to loosen their grip on the minds of so many individuals.

    3. Re:Talk about a vague question by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the "social, political, and environmental chaos" he refers to is absolutely nothing new. The only difference between then and now is that our toys are bigger and shinier.

      Nope - there's one other enormous difference. In the past, there was always someplace for advancing technology to revolutionize. Technological advancements occured locally, lead to population growth, and the overpopulated colony spread to relatively inefficiently used lands, applied their new technology, and took over (or failed in many cases, like Greenland). In the past one or two hundred years, this changed. Today, technological advances hit the entire planet pretty quickly. The most efficiently harvested parts of the planet are only maybe twice as efficient as the least so, and "efficient" is used here in the short term sense - many highly productive areas are actually being overharvested like the US Dust Bowl was.

      So what? So this - we're still programmed to reproduce at the rate that was efficient when there were new lands to conquer. But there aren't any dramatically inefficiently harvested (food and energy) lands left to take over and revolutionize. Interestingly, some evidence is beginning to show that the rate of reproduction actually adapts to the changing viable birth rate faster than mere evolution can explain. So maybe we will actually curb our growth fast enough to avoid a really big change, but the world wars you mention are a sign that it hasn't been changing fast enough to avoid violence yet. Look at it like an ant farm, and it appears that right now today the powerful ant colony is reducing the population of the less powerful ant colony to allow the powerful ant colony to continue to harvest resources that are in the weaker colony's part of the terrarium.

      Good? Bad? Not really my area of interest.

      So the question, more specifically, is, "Will we reduce birth rates, increase death rates, or colonize points in space other than those on the surface of this slightly squashed sphere?" Chances are it will be some combination of those three, so then the question becomes, "How would we like to, and how can we, steer the direction of increased death rates, reduced birth rates, and non-earth-surface harvesting?" Heck - you've probably seen it in Civilization or StarCraft or whatever - you want more units, you need to take over new territory and harvest the stuff.

      For a good right-of-center economist's view of one of the issues, check out The Coming Economic Collapse. It helped me confirm that it's not just lefty FUD.

  14. Don't underestimate us by DrLang21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Humans have survived through ice ages and famine. People often underestimate our ability to adapt and survive. We will survive because we don't want to die

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    I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
  15. Global feritlity crisis by couch_warrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The best way to survive the next 100 years is to stop running from the imaginary boogeymen of the LAST 100 years. We have this suicidal fascination with birth control and population reduction. In reality, birth rates are plumetting all over the world. An if it wasn't for immigration, the population of most propserous nations would be in rapid decline. In the U.S. the average couple has only 1.4 children. Without immigration from third world countries, the U.S. would be depopulating at a rate of 30% every 25 years.
    Exacerbating this is the profile of who is reproducing. In our welfare state, we pay the least functional and arguably least intelligent segments of our population (this is not racist - 75% of welfare recipients are not african americans) to sit around and breed. The only part of the population demographic that is growing is the poor and dependent.
    The crisis of the next 100 years will not be global warming or toxic waste or nuclear fallout. It will be vast armies of stupid belligerent parasites with their hands out demanding to be fed and clothed by a shrinking pool of intelligent functional human beings.
    The next world crisis is the crisis of de-evolution!
    To survive, we must institute emergency programs of tax relief and education to encourage intelligent people to BREED, for the sake of humanity.

    --
    "Sic Semper Path of Least Resistance"
    1. Re:Global feritlity crisis by johnlcallaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To claim that having a child is the single worst financial decision a woman can make is very gender biased and ignores the many couples that endure financial strains. When I was married, we (as in the two of us) raised two children who were unplanned.

      Children are not expensive unless the parents make it so. It is possible for two people to have two incomes without the large overhead of day care. It is not necessary to live in a 4 bedroom, 3,000 sq. ft. home, drive two $35,000 cars, and sacrifice further to send children to private schools or college. My personal experience has shown me that the single largest impact in a child's life is the role model provided by the child's parents. Being the spawn of two relatively poor parents and forgoing many luxuries for 18 years, I can say it was worth it for me. Raising children to be honest, strong, and independent gives them the skills they need to make a decent life on their own as an adult.

      I respect my friends that never had children, and envy them in a way. I can also state that now, at the age of 46, I've catching up with them. I have a beautiful home (just purchased a year ago), a great job, and wonderful friendships with my now adult kids. My retirement may not be as high, but by the time I'm 65 I'll have plenty in my 401k and won't care about Social Security or Medicare. I can now travel and look forward to the next 30 years of my life with great anticipation.

      The comment about dying a little is just mean spirited. You don't die for your children, you live for them and through them. Sacrifice?? Selfish people sacrifice, generous people give without expecting anything back. My 19 year old daughter has brought more life into my life than I thought possible, and helped me to understand what it is like to feel 19 years old at my age. And laugh at those around me who die each day because they refuse to live.

      By all means, if you don't like children and don't want to raise them, follow through on your desires. If you view raising of children as a sacrifice, you will probably resent them and have no end to your troubles and they will also resent you.

      Just don't belittle others for their choices.

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      I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
  16. It can't. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> I imagine you can do better than 'It Can't.'

    Sometimes the correct answer is really boring.

  17. My answer.... by tpjunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From Yahoo answers, my personal answer:

    Humanity has shown itself capable of adapting to an incredible variety of situations, conditions, and hardships. One way or another, I am quite confident that humanity will endure through the next one hundred years.

    That being said, the circumstances of this continued survival may be quite different or unpleasant compared to what many people experience today. I believe that humanity needs to come together in a constructive manner and really address some of the many problems we as a species face, from global climate change to the vast poverty, hunger, and disease suffered by much of the world. Until a truly unified approach is taken by all the world's nations, any progress will be piecemeal and incremental.

    Alternatively, as you yourself suggested, human colonization of extra-terrestrial worlds by a subset of humanity is an option, however under today's socio-political climate, such an endeavor would likely be limited to a few of the world's more wealthy nations.

  18. How about do nothing? by pcaylor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know there's more than enough cynicism to go around, but Dr. Hawking's question was only asking how the human race can survive the next 100 years. Not 1000 or 10,000.

    Does anyone really think that there is even the slightest chance of the human race becoming extinct in the next 100 years? (Excepting act of God events like a large asteroid strike or supervolcano) Even the most dire global warming alarmists don't predict the extinction of mankind in the next century.

    I expect that in 100 years civilization will look a lot like it does today. India and China will be richer, the US and Europe will be a little poorer and the geeks of the future will have some toys that would make us green with envy.

    The real question is, how can any of us reading this survive another 100 years?

  19. Science and Technology by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Never ever say "That's something we don't want/need to know." Investigate and study everything.

    I think in the coming century, we'll continue to see the world's population increase. It will come in a different kind of environmental revolution; we won't just be changing the environment around us anymore, we'll start changing the environment in us. We'll become more resilient, self-relient, and broaden the conditions in which we can exist in an enviroment and when that happens, we'll be able to inhabit new places on the globe and start to move beyond.

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  20. And the Internet responds by kensai · · Score: 3, Funny

    with a STFU n00b! Like OMGWTFBBQ!

  21. Humans need a crisis to change by spiffery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the pattern is that humans follow a path of least resistance until a need arises. It is understandable to look at humankind and say that we are headed for a crisis, and there will most likely be one. But what happens at that crisis period is a matter of debate. When global warming becomes an obvious crisis to nearly every human on the planet there will be change. Once the need for unification becomes apparent, it will happen. Whether circumstances will allow reversal is a question beyond my ken, but my feeling is that humans will continue doing what we're doing until we hit a critical point. Then people will change, as needed, until the next crisis. Populations will grow, people will die, and problems will be dealt with locally until it is necessary for things to change. And I don't have any particular faith in humanity, except that we do what is necessary when problems arise.

  22. The Obvious post from the /. crowd by syntap · · Score: 2, Funny

    would have been to answer him as soon as possible with "First post!"

  23. Re:Simple (Not Quite) by damacus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    100,000 years ago up until the 1930s, there were no nuclear bombs. We only had technology to inflict localized damage on our fellow man and planet. Now there are enough nukes to wreck the planet, advancement in biology such that we now have the capability to create biological weapons on a wide scale. Also, in the last 200 and 300 years, industrial society has exploded and we've seen rapid deforestation and ecological carelessness on a massively wide scale.

    The situation is vastly different, and failing to acknowledge that is naive.

  24. Wrong Question by sehlat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The question is not "survive?" Humans as a species are pretty bombproof and there will almost certainly be humans around several hundred years from now regardless of where our madness takes us, even if they're starveling primitives.

    The question is: How do we survive over the long term (100Myears+) WITH TECHNOLOGY AND KNOWLEDGE INTACT?

  25. Globally Ban Religion and Reduce Consumerism by gamlidek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The number one problem we have today that gets in the way of world peace is religion. The number one problem we have that gets in the way of sustaining our existence is consumerism. Beyond curbing these two major problems we will only make existence miserable for the next 100 years. And we will survive for at least the next 100 years, but who knows how long it will take for the earth to come back to balance... /gam/

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    1. Re:Globally Ban Religion and Reduce Consumerism by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pol Pot tried to implement your solution of banning religion and reducing consumerism.

  26. Re:Final Solution (was:Your Answer, Stephen) by Richthofen80 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The planet is viable now. To say it isn't is to ignore the highest lifespan average of humanity, EVER. Right now humans are living longer better lives than ever in the history of history.

    More humans mean greater distribution of labor. More distribution means more specialization which leads to greater technical achievements which lead to things like, but not limited to, 100% of the population living off of food farmed by 2% of the population.

    How is the planet exactly not viable?

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  27. Pick any period in human history, by Morrigu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and you'll find a huge disparity between the 5-10% or so at the top of the comfort scale, and the rest. Right now the Western world (most of the US + Canada, Western Europe, Japan, South Korea and the Commonwealth) comprises that 5-10%. Guess what? It won't stay that way for too long, it never does. The best you can hope for is a good five hundred to thousand year run, and I think Western civilization might be nearing the end of its spectacular five-century sprint.

    Pick any period in human history, and you'll also find a large number of people actively working to cause the end of their particular civilization.

    Why is Iraq's fabled "land between the two rivers" a dry dusty desert?

    Why is North Africa, the ancient Mediterranean's breadbasket and father of great cities, hardly able to grow enough food to feed its own populations?

    Why did the Chacoans up and suddenly disappear after claiming so much of the harsh American Southwest for their cities and farms?

    Why did the ancient Mayans leave their cities that required so much labor to construct in the middle of a jungle?

    Humans can have an amazing impact on their environment, but it's easy to forget that while we appear to be the masters of Nature. But the two work on completely different timescales.

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  28. Um, no. The answer is more sex and more children by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously. So that excludes many /. readers.

    Oh my god talk about hyperbole and idiotic moderators. The human race isn't going to die out. I mean come on. There may well be a few billion deaths, but there are billions more humans on the planet so lets face it, we're not facing a global extinction event...

    The question you should be asking is how do I make sure that my family are the survivors in the coming tough times... Make sure the genes continue.

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  29. Only 100 years? Trick question! by Smurf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is a trick question.

    The human race has evolved in such a way that now we are capable of really fucking up the planet and eventually extinguishing all life on it. But let's see what mechanisms we have for that.

    On one hand, we have nuclear weapons of gargantuan power. If we start a nuclear war, we can easily kill half of the population and make life incredibly miserable for those who survive... but wait, that implies that billions of people will actually survive, so the race isn't really eliminated.

    We have also produced technology that is capable of affecting the planet in a serious, perhaps irreversible way. The effect that mostly concerns us now is global warming. Because of our actions the weather may go really wacky, potentially causing the death of millions. The ice caps may melt, slowly sinking a very significant portion of the land, precisely where most of the population lives. But that process will take many, many decades, and even though millions may die, most people will have time to move away. This will cause the overpopulation of the current high lands, with enormously devastating effects. Furthermore, eventually the climate changes may make the planet completely inhabitable (at least by humans), but that will take several centuries to take place. Meanwhile, the human race will survive.

    We can go on and on, analysing the different ways that we may fuck up. But we will always find the same answer: in order to actually eliminate the human race we have to make all our habitats inhabitable, and we still can't do that within 100 years from now. We need something like a giant meteor striking the planet or the sun exploding, or some other phenomena out of our control.

    My point is: Stephen Hawking is a very smart guy, but this time he managed to make a question that is wrongly formulated:

    How can the human race survive the next hundred years?

    Duh, how can the human race not survive the next hundred years?
  30. Re:Simple (Not Quite) by MrNougat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed, the human race will survive the next 100 years no matter what happens, and probably the next thousand or zillion after that. But plain survival doesn't necessarily have to be comfortable. A species can survive for a long time in really adverse and sucky conditions.

    Seems that many people interpreted the question (as may have been intended) to be: "How can the human race survive the next 100 years and come out the other end comfortable and thriving?"

    Well, let's think about that. Pick any 100 year span in history. I would bet that, at the end of any 100 year span, most of humanity is merely surviving in really adverse and sucky conditions. A small fraction of the whole of humanity actually thrives. That is as true today as ever.

    Maybe the question should rightly be interpreted as "How can the small fraction of humanity which is today thriving continue to thrive through the next 100 years and never mind the people who are already scrabbling for survival today." Because that's really the only question anyone has ever truly asked.

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  31. Re:Near earth asteroids by vrmlguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Depending on where and how you drop the aluminum, nickle, iron and silicon from the asteroid, you can get rid of all of the warlords at the same time.

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  32. What's up with Stephen Hawking? by deuterium · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is he suddenly getting so philosophical? Has he just gotten too old to make any advances in physics and decided to move on to metaphysics? First his urgent call for space colonies, now this. It reminds me of actors who give political speeches. It's not their field of expertise, but people listen to them anyway. It also reminds me of the late career wanderings of other greats like Linus Pauling or Cary Mullis or Issac Newton. idk, I guess he's entitled to muse about whatever he wants, but it's weird to hear him waxing about humanity like a college girl.

  33. Einstein's Answer by Erastus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think it is most interesting that Einstein also recognized a problem. I believe the same ideas apply whether we are talking about armed conflicts or conflict with our environment.

    "A human being is part of the whole called by us universe , a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty... We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if mankind is to survive." - Albert Einstein

    How do you promote this kind of compassion? Can you teach it in a school? We need to care about our communities but instead we have become more and more isolated.

  34. Re:Simple (Not Quite) by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean like the deforestation of the British Isles? Wiped pretty much every tree off of them, and they used to be covered with them! Why, Scotland only has about 1% of it's original forests remaining -- truly a tragedy of the modern world. Wait... that happened a thousand years ago.

    Okay, well my country, Canada, is a major world exporter of wood and wood products. Forestry is an incredibly important industry. We must be deforesting our country at an unbelievable rate! Let's see... save the rainforests web site, Canada, rate of deforestation -- 0% for the last twenty years.

    Most of those aren't uniquely modern problems and some of them actually have solutions now that we didn't have before. We have to get better at APPLYing those solutions in some places and we'll probably need to develop some new techniques, but the world probably isn't ending.

    As for nukes, people a few thousand years ago used to destroy cities by killing everyone in them up close and personal, then salting the earth to make sure nobody could use it again. Killing cities isn't a modern invention either. Yes, we have better tools to do it now, but we're also MUCH better at not using them.

  35. 42 by pokehf346,1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    the answer is 42, of course

  36. In a word... by csoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    SOYLENT!

    Enjoy Soylent Physicist, now with anti-oxidants!

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    There exists no way of exchanging information without making judgments. --Bene Gesserit Axiom
  37. amazed at the pessimism by Akatosh · · Score: 2

    I am amazed at the amount of self guilt and pessimism expressed in response to his question. I propose that the question was asked from the _false_ pretense that we are at risk of not surviving. The question is even asked using a (stated) false pretense as a setup: "In a world that is in chaos politically, socially and environmentally". How's this for an alternative view:

    We will survive the next 100 years even if we tried our hardest to destroy ourselfs. Every biological and mental mechanism we have programmed into us is designed to continue our race. Take away our desire to reproduce? Take away our pride, greed or desire to exceed? The human race stands no chance of being destroyed.

    Steven Hawkings may be one of the smartest men who has lived, but perhaps he hasn't studied history? Or perhaps he is trolling. Our world is in chaos politically socially and environmentally? Compared to when exactly? Oh my god, it's because BUSH is president isn't it. Yep, all Bushes fault. Seriously people, take the liberalism, go cut and blog about it on your livejournal. I can't believe a smart man such as Steven Hawkings would live in a state of emo self defeatism by telling himself the world is going to hell, so I can only assume that it was a brilliant troll.

    and to put it bluntly:

    YHBT YHL HAND

  38. re: You hit the nail on the head.... by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As long as it really IS cheaper to be wasteful, then that's exactly what people will continue to do! And that also illustrates the fact that things aren't nearly as "dire" as some of the environmentalists and promoters of "less technology/simpler lifestyle" want you to believe.

    At some point, our tendencies to embrace the disposable, short lifespan consomer goods will lead us to a situation where they're no longer the cheaper option and *that* is when you'll see change come about.

    It's fine to preach about how much stuff we're tossing into landfills and trying to guilt people into changing, but all that does is push back the timeline a little bit on when it won't make economic sense anymore. A real *solution* can only come about when the best choice really becomes conservation.

    Let's take, for example, recycling of glass bottles. Right now, it uses *more* total energy/resources to recycle them than it's worth. There are places that accept glass containers for recycling (though you won't get paid anything for dropping off the glass), but they're typically profitable only because of government tax breaks and subsidies. Glass is largely made up of sand, and we've got no shortage of sand. Meanwhile, think of all the diesel fuel or gasoline used to transport the waste glass around, etc.

    As another example, cellphones. Currently, there's just no compelling reason for most people not to toss out an old one and get a new one (often free with a phone contract!) every 2 or 3 years. Totally wasteful and pointless, really -- except for the fact that you pay so much for the usage of the device, it makes little sense to put all of that towards some beat-up, feature-lacking phone that's starting to fall apart on you. The whole business model encourages the disposability of the hardware. It would change if consumers started getting rewarded for turning in their old phones for credit. The question is, are old cellphones really worth enough to make this a profitable option for cell companies to offer it? Apparently not ... yet. When the landfills realy DO get filled up enough though, you'll see this change itself without any legislation or govt. incentives necessary.

  39. incredibly depressing by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful


    If the first fifty posts here constitutes our "best and brightest" the human race is doomed for certain. Majority of the posts mention "population". Haven't our attitudes toward population created the majority of our present mess in the first place? And what lever do we have to influence population (and global distribution of wealth), over such a short time window (four generations), that doesn't light more fires than it puts out? Certainly population must be *understood* to formulate any useful ideas, but that's about as far as wisdom dictates.

    What I believe must happen is that we come up with many thousands of small ideas that do more to put out fires than start them. Even if you chase a non-convergent series across the x-axis, it isn't going to stay put long enough to matter.

    The real thinking involves determining which kinds of interventions are convergent (on average, to a best guess, or with good prospects surrounding constuctive failure--the mine fields of good intentions abound) and which interventions are not (and not necessarily through any fault of their own, but with full acceptance of how "each of us is smarter than all of us" and all that poster-slogan implies).

    If I were to reason by analogy to the manifest failures of the human condition that lead us to this point in time, I would guess that the easy redemption slips through our fingers as it always does. We'll end up in the situation where the solution or its mechanisms are fully understood, but the news of the solution is perpetually one step behind the shock front it could have mitigated.

    I see this shaping up as a foot race between human resourcefulness and ingenuity and the resonating stress fronts: resources, politics, environment.

    My view is that we should be focussing our attention on running the best foot race we can possibly run when it comes to crunch time. What are the mechanisms that aid or impinge on this vital capacity?

    I'm still contemplating this problem. I have one certain item on my list thus far: the patent system. As the patent system stands, we have routed one of our most potent weapons--our technical ingenuity--across the Manitoba marsh lands (read about the Great Canadian Railway). All the smart people will have constructive ideas, and all of the constructive ideas will be hung up in the patent system, which is bad enough, and the truly reprehensible litigation environment that surrounds it. Did anyone see that remark yesterday that certain personal awards were upheld in the tabacco verdict, while one was overturned because the statute of limitations had expired as the legal system spun its wheels with great precedent and determination into the soft wet sand?

    The usual human response is to fix an institution such as our patent and legal system only *after* its liabilities have culminated in catastrophe. The problem is that we can already the future setting up such that the prime catastrophe is the world around us, and the bloody-mindedness of our legal system is just the *secondary* catastrophe that we will soon have the pleasure of addressing after the berms are breached.

    That's the kind of circumstance that stretches human resourcefulness to the breaking point at the exact moment in time the human race can least afford it.

    In my view, it's a clear failure of the American constitution that the American legal system was not constitutionally mandated to achieve *proactive* self-reform.

    And worst of all, the American legal system is being globalized following exactly the same model as the American power grid. Only Quebec had the good sense to DC couple their grid to that horrible mass of wires and dominoes (and do not fail to observe the contributions of the regulatory and legal environment in shaping the engineering decisions and sand-sucking ostrich behaviours).

    Presently, through the global treaty process, American legal process is being aggressively exported using the club of economic integration with the world's most consumeristic popu

  40. The Pill, for men. by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 4, Funny

    How to solve the population problem:

    1. Require that all the men of the world teach kindergarten for five years.
    2. Provide free birth control pills to them after this five-year period.
    3. If the pope says anything about it, kick his pointy-headed ass.
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    Step into a huge movement. Don't Tread In Me.

  41. You're out of your depth, Steve... by ahkbarr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dear Mr Hawking,

    I cannot understand why war, overpopulation, global warming and other doomsday theories dominate your views on social science. The fact is that intelligence does not make you an authority on anything requiring knowledge outside your sphere.

    War
    War is, to me, the only thing likely to be the end of civilization besides an extinction level planetary impact, as over time, advances in science increasingly enable us to affect our environment and control energy using the levers of natural law, but whether this can be universalized over time to the extent that a country like North Korea could destroy the usefulness of the entire world to humans and counter attempts by all the others wanting to detect and thwart those efforts is yet to be seen. Getting back to reality, each country has a somewhat static threshold for war which is governed by a combination of roughly three things from the top of my head:
      -The resources at hand to fight the war
      -The collective will of the populace, as expressed by the sum of all its knowledge, ignorance, logic and insanity
      -The will of the leadership, as expressed by the knowledge, ignorance, logic and insanity of the leadership

    Sooner or later, however you see it, enough of all of those things erode to the point of being unwilling to continue with war, someone surrenders or is obliterated, and then the population continues to survive despite whatever costs are incurred.

    The fact is that civilizations will continue to decide that someone else shouldn't have the freedoms they have, shouldn't exist, or should exist under their rule, and those who would be subject to those whims SHOULD fight! Anyone who says that there should never be war either thinks that fascist countries should always get their way, or thinks that there obviously are no countries that would destroy or take over a peaceful nation. That's just utopian bullshit.

    Overpopulation
    It is a fact that as a civilization becomes more advanced and established that the birthrate shrinks. We in the united states require immigration even to keep our population growth even with our death rate. How does a 1.5 children per two adults equal population growth? China and Japan are heading towards massive population shrinkage, even to the point of crisis.

    Global Warming
    I guess I'd rather not go into global warming, but there is debate as to man's level of involvement on that front. Further, the effect is along the lines of lots of death in third world countries, massive shifts in land values leading to lots of bankruptcy in more developed countries, and possibly other natural disasters. There are some theories about how the flora and fauna would be affected, but the earth's mammalian population seems well suited to survive ice ages and climate shift as evidenced by the past.

    Fabric of the universe? Sure, go for it. Cause-headed ignorance and feel-good statements only good for warm fuzzies? Leave it to the idiots with the super-short memories.

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    Compared to war, all other forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God, how I love it. - Gen. George Patton
  42. Mu by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This question makes it sound like it's a foregone conclusion that we *won't* survive the next hundred years, and what can we do to change that.

    What will we do to survive the next hundred years? My answer: we'll keep doing what we've been doing: make new stuff, cure some diseases, find new ways and reasons to kill each other, and overall, everything will more or less balance out, and we'll survive the next 100 years without trying, in any particular way, to survive. I mean, as long as people keep eating and fucking, we'll probably be around.

    My personal plan is to keep eating fast food, use the bathroom as needed, enjoy the benefits of modern medicine, and live another ~40 years. I imagine my descendants will do the same, and after a couple rounds of that, we'll be at the 100 year mark, safe and sound.

    At a micro level, all humans, individually, will eat food, drink lots of fluids when we get sick, treat injuries, etc.--in other words, do all that human-nature stuff which, almost by definition, living beings do on an individual basis to survive. On a macro level... I don't know, maybe I'll raise my kids and pay some taxes.

    As for the question "What can I, J. Random Slashdot User, do to prevent Bush from nuking the world and ending human existence," the answer is "absofuckinglutely nothing." So what's the point of this question again?

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    Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
  43. Post-scarcity by booch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Excellent post.

    One problem with your post-scarcity theory: it won't last. The world population is expected to double over the next 100 years. I'm not sure technology will be able to deal with the scarcity issues that quickly. Especially for things like clean water, oil, and land. I expect there to at least be some serious wars as these resources become more scarce.

    I'd also like to mention humanity's penchant for powerful people to create scarcity in order to increase their power. While technology has helped us counteract that nicely over the past 50 years, I'm not confident that it will continue to do so long term.

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    Software sucks. Open Source sucks less.
  44. wrong question by l3v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think survival is the important part of the question, especially for such a short time (well, 100 years is only one generation), and we are good survivors. The important part is the "how", i.e. what circumstances, life quality, political and economical climate, human rights, energy situation will our grandchildren have. And honestly, I'm not optimistic. All I can think of, is really not good. Still, hundred years can be a relatively long time, just think back what was here a hundred years ago, and we just might not be able to even concieve the level of changes these hundred years could bring us. I just hope we (well, not we as persons but we as a population) will live to see it without many epidemics, religious or political wars, energy crises and Earth turning into a semi-Arrakis (i.e. desert planet without spice). Then we'll do fine.

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    I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
  45. Important tools come from the Bible by the_REAL_sam · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know!! I know!!

    Man who prays and asks the LORD for help can righteously overcome ANY obstacle. (famine, disease, pollution, exctinction, overcrowding, crime, you name it)

    Ask and ye shall receive.
    Knock and it will be opened to you.
    Faith can move mountains.
    With God all things are possible.

    Combine those things with OPTIMISM, and remember that Jesus Christ said ALWAYS forgive, NEVER retaliate; BLESS and PRAY for your enemy. LOVE your neighbor as yourself, LOVE your enemy, LOVE the LORD.

    When you forgive, it results in YOUR being forgiven. When YOU give, YOU receive. WHEN YOU BLESS YOUR ENEMY, YOU YOURSELF ARE ALSO BLESSED!

    And remember that Christ said that the love of money is the root of all evil. That means be wary of valuing money more than the welfare of your fellow man, or the planet that he lives on. Be prepared and willing to sacrifice of your own time, money and resources in order to make the world a better place.

    Jesus also said keep the 10 Commandments. If we all kept the 10 Commandments we'd be in good shape, (but that's not enough.) Don't worship false gods, don't commit idolatry, work 6 days and keep the sabbath day holy (7th day = _saturday!_ Look, JESUS WAS A JEW. Jews keep the saturday sabbath! No excuses.), don't take the LORD's name in vain, don't kill or steal or commit adultery, don't bear false witniss, don't covet your neighbor's wife or possessions or servants, honor your parents.

    AND don't have sex outside of marriage. That would keep std's in check and reduce the expansion of things like hiv.

    Don't use witchcraft or sorcery, don't use omens or divination.

    Learn to recognize when you're being tempted to sin, and pray for the strength to resist!

    The most important virtue is love.

    I've seen a heavenly sign. I saw a double rainbow, 360 degrees, 2 concentric rainbows ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SUN in San Francisco at high noon when there wasn't a cloud in the sky. Others witnissed the very same event. That was around 2001.

    You want man to survive? Seek and ye shall find. Seek the LORD. Have FAITH!!!

    God Bless You, Stephen Hawking!

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    "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." -Jesus Christ The Lord's Prayer
  46. Abolish religion? No, just tax it. by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the first step is to not give religious organizations preferential tax treatment. The rest should write itself.

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    I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
  47. Thank you! by raduf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been reading for 10 minutes, in the answers in yahoo and then here on slashdot, and not a single (modded) answer "Of course it will survive!". You sir are _very_ right. Right now we are at the best of our history with resources unimaginable until 200 years ago. If, and a say _if_, somehow, we'll hit a real crisis (and I really don't think we will) a reduction of 80% in our production capabilities would mean... tadam... no games consoles, no new blockbuster movies, no new cars etc. The basic things necesary for our survival are so cheap it's almost imposible to run out of them, globally. A meal at McDonalds may cost 10$, but the ingridients, bulk, cost about a buck. And the cheapest caloric equivalent would probably be a penny or less. With 100$ one could buy food for a couple of years. So people are trying to tell me there is a chance we won't SURVIVE?!

          I'm not going to list every imaginable end-of-the-world scenario and debunk it, but instead i will note that all the answers i've seen so far imply a serious lack of imagination. People are really incapable of picturing the world spinning 100 years from now... after they're dead and buried. Well it will spin and it'll be a whole lot better then now. After all, that's what we are all working for right? At least most of us here in slashdot.

          And as a conclusion, when I think about 100 years in the future the image that pops into my head is Kusanagi Motoko. True, it's a personal image, but I'm glad I can picture a future that is at the same time strange and beautiful.

  48. The answer is the question by tachophile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only by asking ourselves (the masses) that very question. He didn't just post it to his closest or wisest peers. Maybe this was the answer Dr. Hawking already had.

  49. I Think A Lot Of People Have Missed The Point by beringreenbear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The question is too broad and essentially meaningless. It is, at best, an unanswerable rhetorical question.

    That said, the question is still important. Not because there is an answer (there are, in fact, several correct answers), but because by asking it, Dr Hawking is using his stature to attempt to raise social consciousness just a tiny bit. This is a case where the act of asking the question is more important that obtaining an answer. It's like asking, "What is the meaning of Life, the Universe, and Everything?" Yeah, yeah... the answer is 42. A non-sensical answer to a non-sensical question. But by asking the question, movement is created. Some paths lead towards suicide (or, if you're pessimistic, all paths lead towards suicide) but asking the question causes people to move about, discover things, and make changes.

    So how will the human race survive the next 100 years? I don't know. I do not even know that we will. But by asking the question, a certain amount of energy is introducd to the system that could very well create a path for the survival of our species. ...for just a bit longer.

  50. keeping down population growth is not so hard by jeffsenter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Female literacy is one of the key factors in determining birth rates.

    Increased female literacy allows women greater access to information on birth control and also higher statuts in society leading to greater control over reproductive decisions. To reduce population growth teach girls to read. This is an abstract of a study discussing factors impacting birth rates such as female literacy. Here is a little bit more info.

  51. Huh? by TheLastUser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I won't argue that religion has been used to justify awful behaviour, but "the largest source"? I think you may be overlooking nationalism. For examples of fevent nationalism run amok, see WW1 and WW2. Talk about your blood baths. In WW1 it wasn't uncommon for countries like England to lose tens of thousands of men a day. With that comparison, Al-Queda seems to pose a threat closer to that of your average serial killer than to a war.

  52. Survival of the Equal by Egonis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the human race is to survive: social, financial, and physical elements must be equalized.

    Why?

    Ever notice how quickly poor and undernourished people reproduce? As an instinct for survival of their genes.

    By equalizing Social Elements, racism and separation of social elements will dwindle, thus providing people with a positive existence, and resulting in more commonalities such as knowledge sharing, and working toward common goals.
    By equalizing Financial Elements, the human existence will focus heavier upon the right to live, the right to exist, and will therefore work toward a common goal.
    By equalizing physical elements such as starvation and poor water supplies (resulting from the above) -- people will survive, and will reproduce less.

    Humanity will work towards common goals, and will lessen outright demented war efforts and we will find ways to solve our common problems such as the environment, and our reaching out into space.

  53. Dodgy question by Motley+Phule · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's pretty obvious Dr Hawking isn't interested in the answer, or at least not the answers bandied about by people on the forums.

    First off, it's a loaded question. It implies that something needs to be done for us to survive the next 100 years. In answering the question we are buying into his assumption. Now, I don't know whether it is a valid assumption, but I think we should be conscious of what we buy into in answering the question.

    Secondly, he already has an answer in mind - he thinks that for the human race to survive we need to colonise the solar system. So in essence, this isn't an attempt to generate meaningful answers, it's a way for him to persuade us there is a problem that needs addressing.

  54. Holeeee shit by shaze · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just wanted to put my two cents in and say, that we need to kill all the Sales and Marketing people on the planet in order to survive.

  55. Re:Final Solution (was:Your Answer, Stephen) by Dasher42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Human lifespan just isn't the only metric of a planet's viability. Long-term survivability demands that resources consumed be renewable. It also means that we need to pay attention to the biosphere, because our monocultures of lawn grass and crops and animals simply don't have the viability in the long term. We only get by with it right now because we're burning through millions year of surplus solar energy in the form of petroleum right now. You have to be on your toes not to be feeding, indirectly, on oil through the products of industrialized agriculture.

    The worst destruction is definitely in the third world, where cash crops that the industrial world demands and the chemicals used to grow them destroy the soil, and people move on to destroy more land. We haven't solved the problem. We've just swept it under the rug for a while.

    In the meantime, scientists are saying that the rate of extinction of species on this planet is catastrophic and fits the parameters of a mass extinction. Loss of biodiversity means loss of evolutionary potential, and hence survivability.

    We can do a lot to fix it, but until serious ecological responsibility becomes ingrained in our society, I don't see how we'll prevent a disaster that might even reach into air-conditioned Western suburban homes.

  56. Disgusting! by ylikone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was a born-again Christian for over 20 years and thought the same way as the above poster. I left religion / christianity about 6 years ago and I have to say I have never been happier! I realize now how very much I was missing the point (much like above poster)! Atheists aren't violent criminals doing thing for selfish needs, that does not make sense... but that is what the religious mindset teaches you to believe. You believe this to the point where you can only see "good" as coming from following the Bible, which is utterly ridiculous. Many so-called Christians go the opposite way and become evil for the very reason that they can no longer tell that true morals are not based on some set of rules from a God on high. Morals come from living and learning... education. You do good, people do good to you. There is nothing to gain if everyone is out for themselves! This is why I see Christianity as so hyprocritcal these days... they are exactly what they think the secular world is... evil! And they can't see past that.

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    Meh.