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Other Game Bundles For the Cost of the PS3
ImaNumber writes "When Sony announced the price of the PS3 many people were left dumbfounded at how expensive it was going to be. Microsoft joked that people would get the Xbox360 and the Wii instead. Brittlefish has taken this a step further and put together a list of some other gaming 'bundles' that you could buy instead of just getting one PS3. You might be surprised at what you can get for that kind of money."
This would be perfect for those common families that make up so much of America with two kids... the two DSs will keep them from constantly saying "Are we there yet?" in the car, and that Wii will keep them entertained at home. And you get all that for the same price of a PS3...
"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." - President George W. Bush
I know people are ranting and raving about the fact the PS3 is so expensive, but isn't Sony also trying to advertise the fact it is a media centre as well as just a console? I suppose if you remember that Sony are trying this angle too, the price seems more reasonable.
Then again, the Xbox and Xbox 360 are both capable of playing DVDs and CDs just fine and they never had such a steep price tag...
If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate.
Coming up on Slashdot: "Better deal: PlayStation 3 or 530 cans of Pimpjuice"?
$250 for (orig) Xbox and racing games to race online since PC online racing SUCKS ;)
$50 for live
$100 for something i forgot for Xbox
$200 BEER to make it look like a 360/PS3
Mandatory: Bash Bash Bash Sony Sony Sony
This exact same sort of FUD about the 360 was going on in the months before it launched. But that has come and gone, and it's more fun to speculate/bash things that haven't come out yet instead of bashing things that have been out for months (old news).
Screw those idiots. At least +1 insightful.
I try to always do these little comparisons whenever I buy something. $1200 for a computer seemed like alot, and I could get the following for the same price: 120 DVDs
PS3, Xbox360, and Wii
About a month's worth of my ebay budget
Still, doing the calculations and realizing I still wanted the PC made me feel that much better about spending the money. At the very least, I don't have to always wonder if I could've spent it better.
Example:
The "I love Sony Anyway" Bundle: ~$586 Prices are from BestBuy.com unless otherwise noted.PS2 ($130)
Extra controller ($25)
Guitar Hero ($70)
God of War ($20)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence ($30)
GTA: Vice City and San Andreas ($40)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 ($15)
Resident Evil 4 ($40)
NFL 2006 (even though arguably earlier versions are better and cheaper) ($30)
Shadow of the Collossus ($40)
Final Fantasy X ($20)
Burnout 3: Takedown ($20)
Virtua Fighter 4 ($4 used from Gamestop.com)
Devil May Cry ($10 used from Gamestop.com)
World Soccer Winning Eleven 6 Int'l ($20 used from Gamestop.com)
Gran Turismo 4 ($20)
NHL 2002 ($2 used from Gamestop.com)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance ($25 used from Gamestop.com)
Soul Calibur 2 ($15)
Shipping if buying from gamestop.com ($10+)
So you can get a collection of outstanding games across all genres instead of a PS3. Of course, if you're already a PS2 owner and own most if not all the games above (and more), then well this won't apply. And don't get me wrong, I don't particuarly love Sony. I actually own mostly Nintendo systems. But I'm suprised there were no current-gen bundles at all. I guess that takes too much effort for a professional web journalist!Buying an XBox 360: $400
Buying a Wii: $250
Watching Sony's entire marketing department get sacked: Priceless.
Tell me something...it's still "We, the people"... right?
In reality, a large portion of the anti-Sony articles is representative of the bulk of the news and commentary that is on the internet lately; the positive news/commentary about the Wii is also representative of what is available.
The way it works is this, Sony has been burning a lot of bridges lately; they seem to be gouging their most dedicated and well informed fans (their early adopters) with the price of the PS3, they have then demonstrated massive hubris and arrogance with their statements following their E3 presentation, and have yet to show any (game related) content that justifies the cost. Add to this the general damage the Sony brand has taken for releasing high priced electronic crap lately, the Root Kit fiasco, Sony's love for DRM and a generally poor performance of the PSP and you have a company which would have problem buying good press.
So submit some pro-PS3 news then.
You have to admit that Sony's been doing a pretty good job of shooting themselves in the foot lately, and the lack of positive news about the PS3 reflect this. It's not as if there's a mass media conspiracy to muzzle pro-PS3 news; it's just that the PS3 really is doing that badly.
Other Game Bundles For the Cost of the PS3
No surprise if Nintendo Wii beats Sony PS3 to shelves
Minter: Sony's PS3 Strategy Arrogant
Then for the wii I'm getting:
Wii On Sale Earlier Than October?
No surprise if Nintendo Wii beats Sony PS3 to shelves
Cubed Report | Hands-On at the Nintendo Wii Press Event
and for xbox 360 I get:
Game developer IGS may tap Xbox 360 market
Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3 vs. Wii
Xbox 360 and Wii orders ramping up, say chip makers
The ps3 articles just seem more negative overall than the others. This is something I've noticed for quite some time now, actually. I do these searches on a regular basis to keep up on the latest and the trend has been negative for PS3. Granted, it's possible that it just so happens that google news searches sites that tend to be anti-sony but I doubt it. Do a search on some other sites and see if the trend is still there.
Am I going crazy, or are the editors here getting geometrically worse over time?
:-)
No, the editors are only getting linearly worse over time. However, the general quality of the posts (and for that matter, the moderation) is getting exponentially worse, so maybe that's where the confusion comes from.
Don't you have someone you'd die for?
It's just the way things are being talked about all over. The idea that Zonk/Slashdot has some inherent anti-Sony bias may be true, but the Zonk-haters out there would be hard-pressed to find new articles out there talking about how great the PS3 will be and how Sony is giving gamers a great gift with its released.
What folks don't seem to understand is that Slashdot isn't a news generator. It's a news linker. It would be exactly like getting upset at Google because a search generates negative press about the PS3. If anyone is to blame, it's Sony and the writers of the linked articles. But, then again, maybe the people here at Slashdot subscribe to the "If you don't have anything nice to say..." philosophy...you know, until they get a chance to bash something they dislike.
Personally, I hope that the PS3 turns out to be a kick-ass game console that, after a year or so, I'm ready and willing to buy. Until that happens, though, it seems too expensive for its intended purpose, and I'll be purchasing other game systems in the meantime.
Used N64 and 10 games: $50
TV for the kids to play N64 on: $100
Lock for the kid's room: $20
Gamecube: $70
Three decent adult Gamecube games: $100
Beer and chips: $60
Earrings to shut the wife up: $200
Or maybe it's just that you're a PS3 fanboy? I mean, you've made no secret of it.
Moderators should feel free to check NineNine's posting history to see where he's said that he thinks the PS3 is the best console by far and that the Wii is still "kiddy" and the 360 has no compelling content etc etc etc.
This particular post comes to mind.
"Mod, mod, mod...and another troll bites the dust."
You've just given me an idea of my criteria for buying a PS3:
In short, if they want to market it as a Linux computer, then it had better be a Linux computer.
And even if they give me all that, I'm still going to wait a bit to either see some amazing Qemu speed, or to see enough good, cheap games for the PS3 to make me want to get it instead of upgrades for my desktop. After all, for $500, you can still get quite a lot of computer, especially as an upgrade.
And of course, remember, Halo 3 and Zelda are pretty compelling reasons not to buy a PS3, even if you are a hardcore console gamer.
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It's probably somewhere around 38 degrees.
I got my Linux laptop at System76.
I'll grant you that your point about the comparison being flawed is legitimate. But, I'll also say you're missing the point, perhaps. I worked at Toys "R" Us for almost 10 years, first as a department head in RZone (videogames/electronics), then as a store manager. I was there for everything from the very tail end (IE, it's dead, Jim) of SNES/Genesis up to PS2/XBox/GC.
You know what I noticed in all of those years? The bulk of our shoppers fall into what I'd call the "clueless" demographic. They come to buy a system as a gift, or for their home, and they generally are shopping for some kids, somewhere. They looked at 2 things almost every time: the price tag, and the endcap display unit. That's about it. They didn't look at specs, or feature lists, or future expandability.
A typical shopping experience would be as follows: Shopper comes into the area, strolls around, stands watching the endcap displays (and occassionally plays one), then walks over to the display case to get the skinny on the cost. Usually they'll ask a couple of basic questions (how many controllers in the box, what kind of plug-ins do I need, etc). Now, the thing is, most of these were parents (maybe grandparents) and they wanted to get the most for their money. Plain and simple. They know that the kids/teens are looking to rip that sucker open, chuck in a game (not movie), and get pwning on some n00b.
I think maybe 3 times in 10 years did I run into a shopper who truly knew, or wanted to know, all of the particulars about a system. I would be astounded to be discussing polygon counts, resolutions, DVD/CD speeds, etc, with a shopper. Usually it was the same-old, same-old: I have $400, how can I get a machine with the most games. Or, perhaps, they would ask about backwards compatibility (now that's the one place I'll grant the PS3 will probably be more attractive).
So, here's my take. I think the kind of bundles mentioned in the article are going to be the exact sort of mental processes going on in most shoppers, whether you think it's a fair comparison or not. I know shoppers - I was PAID to know shoppers. People like quantity, especially when they're spending that much money. To spend $600 (or $500 even) and just walk home with a box with a machine and 1 controller, but no game, is going to be a serious case of sticker shock for a lot of "regular" shoppers. Especially when people could likely buy an XB360 (which might be $399 by then, never know) and a game, or a Wii and 2 or 3 games. HDMI? Half the "regular" shoppers won't even be able to use that. A large hard drive? That is relatively meaningless to many shoppers - witness the continued popularity of PS2 without one versus an XBox with one. (That was a major training point by Microsoft for us retailers: hype the hard drive and it's possibilities. It'll make sales. Never did.)
And as for BluRay? Why is that relevant to a majority of shoppers? I can tell you that when PS2 came out, DVD playback was never a major selling point at all. It will generally always be the case that a dedicated machine will be more feature enriched and [once a generation has passed] cost far less than a do-it-all machine. I'll grant you that a PS3 will be cheaper than a standalone BluRay for a relative time, but I will also say it's more than likely that given a year, perhaps, a BluRay player will probably drop down to the same (or less) than a PS3, and will also likely end up with more features. It's just common consumer electronics history. We rarely sold PS2s because they could -also- play DVDs - people wanted a videogame machine, plain and simple. (Ask XBox how that whole DVD Playback kit deal ended up...)
The PS3 is trying to do too much, and stuffing BluRay into it is the one thing which will cause it to lose perhaps 30% of the potential sales it could have had. Sony could have gone with HD-DVD, had the advantage of launching AFTER the XB360, and they would have been able to nearly match the XB360 price. PLUS they would have had better backwards compatibility
Londovir
XBox used - ~$100
T ARI...etc - FREE
Apple Mod chip - $15
300 gb hd - ~$85
Evox bios/XBMC/DVD2Xbox/emulators:roms:NES:SNES:MAME:A
160 Xbox game Rentals - $400
3 years to play it all till next gen matches above price and hackability....