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The Worst Tech of Q2 2006

ClickOnThis writes "CNET has an article on the Worst tech of Q2 2006. Their rogue's gallery includes: Segway Polo, the 'Nyko Intelligent Remote 360', and a dishonorable mention for the HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray format war. My personal (un)favorite is the appropriately-named Pantech 300 mobile phone, which is so small you could almost swallow it. From the article: 'When it's in your hand, you will feel like Gigantor. But it's a trick. You are not Gigantor. And if you're at a monster truck rally, bully convention, or Hell's Angels hangout while you're using it, you'll catch some hell for being Mr. Fancy Li'l Mini Phone. A wedgie, Kick Me sign, or stop-hitting-yourself situation might ensue.'"

106 comments

  1. Vista by MarkByers · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would have voted for Vista...

    But now it looks like we will have to wait until 2007.

    Yeah, yeah mod me Troll, I don't care this time! :)

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    1. Re:Vista by moranar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm voting for Windows Genuine Advantage. Strangely, that did ship on time. On time to what, I'll be buggered if I know.

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    2. Re:Vista by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah mod me Troll, I don't care this time! :)

      Congratulations, you have discovered the magic phrase to automatic +5 Funny!

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    3. Re:Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'll be buggered "

      I thought you didn't know what WGA was for.

  2. I've said it before... by NexFlamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and I'll say it again; Nintendo renaming the 'Revolution' to the 'Wii' was one of the most ingenious strokes of marketing I've ever witnessed. Never before has the name of videogame console been so talked about, argued about and generally advertised to the average (read: non-gamer) person.

    I get the feeling that in the upcoming console war this name change is going to be proof of the old adage "There's no such thing as bad publicity".

    1. Re:I've said it before... by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, it got about 5 front page /. stories in the first week too... which is pretty impressive. Also they seem to disagree with their own readers (who gave it an 8/10 score) and their decision has nothing to do with "tech"; they don't even mention the technology that is inside it... still, what do you expect when they say how bad that little phone is but the editors review gave it 6.6/10 and a "good" rating

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    2. Re:I've said it before... by Potor · · Score: 1
      Wii is a great name. It's all about ease, and identity. No one wil have troubles saying it in any English-speaking market. It is also easy to say in any Asian and Indo-European language market. Can you imagine how the Asian market would pronounce Revolution (engrish)? And in English, it has the connotation of I+I (i.e., we). Moreover, no other product sounds like it.

      It's a brilliant name.

      Cnet's article is rather flippant, and is certainly light-hearted. For these reasons alone, I would not put any stock into its judgement. I mean, they give a 'worst product' award to a phone that works well, but which they find too small?

    3. Re:I've said it before... by drsquare · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shouldn't we wait to see how many people actually buy it before calling it ingenious marketing?

    4. Re:I've said it before... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      My guess would be that they would have translated Revolution. I'm pretty sure Chinese and Japanese have some word for it...

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    5. Re:I've said it before... by jdbartlett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The whole list is fluff. Heck, the whole story is fluff! Some of these actually are products that were designed badly (the Kodak camera, for example), but mostly this is a list of products with poor marketing (Wii) or not-products (polo is an event, not a product, and the product in question is fine as far as technology goes).

      The list should be renamed: Things this editor stumbled into 1Q 2006 that he doesn't like, all of which employ technology in some vague way.

    6. Re:I've said it before... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No one wil have troubles saying it in any English-speaking market.

      Wii do you say that?

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    7. Re:I've said it before... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "I get the feeling that in the upcoming console war this name change is going to be proof of the old adage "There's no such thing as bad publicity"."

      Oh, I dunno. Sony's rushed controller addition plus their price tag has got a lot of people waiting and seeing.

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    8. Re:I've said it before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nintendo renaming the 'Revolution' to the 'Wii' was one of the most ingenious strokes of marketing I've ever witnessed.

      Ingenious or not, it's still a crappy name.

      If I changed my name to "Shithead" I'd probably get in the news, but people would still be calling me Shithead all the time.
    9. Re:I've said it before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Chinese do, but it doesn't make it through the great Firewall.

    10. Re:I've said it before... by Potor · · Score: 1

      because of marketing

    11. Re:I've said it before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      "There's no such thing as bad publicity".

      That might explain Microsoft's success.

    12. Re:I've said it before... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Please, that would be reasonable. Marketing is based on hype, not outcomes. That is why so many people say "All publicity is good publicity"

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    13. Re:I've said it before... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Whether "Wii" is a good name or not is debatable. But "Revolution" is a terrible name. It's very 1990s, like a Pepsi "X-treme" advertisement. You'd have to be pretty dorky and unfashionable to find the name "Revolution" enticing.

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    14. Re:I've said it before... by alephsmith · · Score: 1

      I'll think you'll find that Revolution is the mantra of a (pseudo)communist state. In fact I'm quite sure the Great Firewall would replace all references to America with "anti-revolutionary pigs"

  3. Gadgets Suck by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's probably a bad sign when gadgets nowadays are so stupid that we need quarterly reports to mock them.

    1. Re:Gadgets Suck by SamSim · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, I think it's a good sign. Because it means there are now lots and lots of gadgets, equally many of which must be good.

  4. Small is bad now? by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My phone is smaller than most, and it's still too damn big. I don't use it for anything other than calling people and checking the time, and I don't need it to be big enough to have other functions (not that I don't understand people that do need features and bigness that I don't). I have a lot of crap I need to carry in my pockets, and I don't like having huge, bulging, jagged thighs all the time. I'd pay quite a bit for a truly miniscule phone. Not the one from the article, though, because it's still too big.

    1. Re:Small is bad now? by JanneM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The review was shorthand for "Pantech didn't send us swag or phones on 'indefinite' loan so here's the payback". The inclusion in the worst list is "They not only didn't send any swag, they even accused us of wanting bribes when we called and complained about it".

      Cnet used to be decent a few years ago; now it's frankly best ignored.

      Oh, and I'd say the Nintendo name change is probably one of the better PR coups this year. Perhaps the reviewers didn't get a free DS Lite either.

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    2. Re:Small is bad now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      How about "worlds smallest mobile phone"
      http://www.vkmobile.com/uk/product/gsm_spec.jsp?pr oduct_idx=322

      I bought mine a month ago and love it. Only 48g, very thin. Easily fits comfortably in shirt pocket or suit pants. And rather cheap also!
      Only con - shorter than average battery capacity.

    3. Re:Small is bad now? by Onan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, I'm totally perplexed by this. I looked at their "review" of the phone, which is really just a couple of sentences inexplicably listing its smallness as "con". Did they forget about the ability to duct tape bricks to the phone if they have some bizarre desire for it be larger?

      And yes. The phone--not that small. Not nearly small enough.

      The US cellphone market seems to be plagued by two awful things:

      • Carriers have mostly succeeded in tying phone hardware to phone service. So you can't just go out and choose the best phone and then choose the best carrier; you need to try and find some not-awful intersection of the two, and end up with a phone that has had many of its abilities intentionally disabled by the carrier.
      • Once they wrangled phones out of the separate market, carriers decided that they could only advertise ones with lots of features, not just ones that are good at being phones. So they're only selling huge monstrosities with nonsense like cameras, video and audio recording, color displays, multiple displays, games, web browsers, calendars, hard drives, laser printers, and whathaveyou. And they seem completely unwilling to sell something that's just a telephone, which is all I want. As small as humanly possible while still retaining good battery life, and none of that other cruft.
    4. Re:Small is bad now? by wizzat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously, this article is kindof pathetic. I normally don't comment, but wow. The Polo thing.. maybe a bad idea, but hardly a technology. It sounded more like they were petulantly crying over things they simply didn't like. For instance, there's nothing wrong with a small phone. So your camera takes 8 seconds to boot up... that would hardly make it the WORST tech of Q2 2006. Hey, that wouldn't even get an honorable mention from me! Ah well. At least most of the other articles have been interesting.

    5. Re:Small is bad now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      I don't like having huge, bulging, jagged thighs all the time.

      You're American. Get used to it. It's part of your culture.

    6. Re:Small is bad now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'ts more that Tim Moynihan, David Rudden, and Karen Spiegelman think that people at monster truck rallies, bully conventions, and Hell's Angels hangouts don't appreciate small technology. How many people who go to monster truck rallies actually own monster trucks?

    7. Re:Small is bad now? by Man+of+E · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks for the tip! I did some research and just bought the VK2020 from http://www.wapzon.com/web/prodetail.asp?Pid=8497 . Main improvement over the 2000 is the longer battery life (also it has Bluetooth and MP3 player features, but that doesn't matter to me). I like the idea of having a tiny phone that just works as a phone -- no space wasted on cameras and other rubbish. The main drawback to this phone seems to be that the firmware isn't very refined, so there are occasional random glitches. See http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=87515 6 for details. Samsung has a new thin phone too (t509), but it's still bigger and heavier than the VK with annoying bells and whistles.

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    8. Re:Small is bad now? by stevey · · Score: 1

      On the one hand I want to have a small phone since I do want to keep it with me easily on those days I want to be contacted.

      On the other hand phones can be so small they are painful to use for some things. For example my previous phone had a keypad which was so small it was physically hard to press the buttons with my big thumb! Not a big deal for dialling simple numbers, but a real pain when it came to sending text/sms messages.

      So yes, I can see that a phone being too small could be a con, but I guess it depends on how big your fingers are, and what you use the phone for.

    9. Re:Small is bad now? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Carriers have mostly succeeded in tying phone hardware to phone service. So you can't just go out and choose the best phone and then choose the best carrier

      Assuming you have a GSM carrier (Cingular or T-Mob), you *can* move the SIM card to another phone. And there's a glut of "unlocked"[*] phones available on EBay and from online retailers, which will accept any SIM card. With CDMA that Verizon uses, of course, you actually have to *tell* the carrier that you're changing phones, since there aren't swappable SIM cards in that system. The phone that you get with the service? You can unlock the thing with a variety of 3rd party utilities and then sell it yourself on EBay.

      you need to try and find some not-awful intersection of the two, and end up with a phone that has had many of its abilities intentionally disabled by the carrier.

      Again, online retailers to the rescue. You can buy phones from Europe with factory firmware installed. Look for a phone that also does 850 MHz - otherwise you'll have weak signals in some places. The only problem with this approach is that factory firmware sometimes isn't optimised to work well with the carrier - i.e. I used a Siemens SK65 phone with Cingular for a while and you weren't able to set the delay before a call went to voicemail and also voicemail notifications were slightly screwed up. (Good phone otherwise, except for the lack of 850MHz capability!)

      -b.

      [*]- US cell carriers "lock" their phones so they only accept *their* SIM cards until an unlock key is entered or new firmware is loaded. You can generally get the unlock codes from them after your 1- or 2-year initial agreement expires. (Use the excuse that you're going to a remote area of Upper Tadjikistan with no service ;)

    10. Re:Small is bad now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That one bugged me, too. My first though upon seeing the phone was "wow, my girlfriend would love that, it wouldn't take up so much space in her purse." CNET is calling it among the worst tech of 2006, even though they admit the tech is fine, they just think it's too small. What's next? "This phone is among the worst tech of the year because, even though it's technologically fantastic, we don't like the color."

      That's the kind of reviewing skill *I* look for in a technology site. I don't care if it works or not, will I look cute carrying it?

      I guess it never occurred to the folks at CNET that if the phone works fine but is "too small", maybe they aren't the target audience. Maybe the world doesn't revolve around CNET reviewers. Gee, what a thought. Inconceivable!

    11. Re:Small is bad now? by Sadiekiller · · Score: 1

      As far as I could tell from the pictures on the review of the phone, its no smaller than mine, Audiovox CMD-8910. At least the width and hight look almost the exact same. If it is any flatter than my phone, I would love to have it. Even mine, for being rather compact, is still bulky sometimes.

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    12. Re:Small is bad now? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I don't like having huge, bulging, jagged thighs all the time.

      Maybe you should ease up on the steroids a little?

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    13. Re:Small is bad now? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Another option is to modify the phone to re-enable the disabled features.
      Motorolas in particular are good for this, you can often find "SEEM" edits that re-enable disabled features.
      Or you can sometimes find (and load on) a "generic" firmware image that will remove all the carrier specific stuff.
      Even for CDMA phones you can often find such modifications.

      Bear in mind that making such changes to the phone will probobly void the warranty and may violate aggreements with carriers.

    14. Re:Small is bad now? by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      Okay, here's reasons I dislike small phones as a counter point:
      * Screens are too small and unreadable
      * Battery life is reduced
      * Antenna size reduced
      * Cost more
      * Usually don't have bluetooth

      Actually, I'm one of those people that actually e-mails people on my phone and likes features.

    15. Re:Small is bad now? by westlake · · Score: 1
      And they seem completely unwilling to sell something that's just a telephone, which is all I want

      The margins are better and the sales are better on the multi-function phones.

      Even a prepaid phone may have SMS, music, games, a camera, a color screen. You have a closed market, a very profitable market, in after-market sales of ringtones, etc.

      This isn't unique to cellular:

      When was the last time you saw an add for a single-function scanner for home use?

    16. Re:Small is bad now? by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      The Polo thing.. maybe a bad idea, but hardly a technology.

      And to top it off, it's years old instead of "Q2 2006". The first hit on 'segway polo' on Google goes to www.bayareaseg.com/Polo.htm, which explains in its History section that they weren't the first to do polo, but their own first match was in July 2004.

      (saturday night and making this point on Slashdot - check, still in the target audience...)

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    17. Re:Small is bad now? by Onan · · Score: 1
      The margins are better and the sales are better on the multi-function phones.

      I'm not sure that either of those needs to be true. I and a substantial portion of my geek friends would pay more money for a version of one of the current bloatware phones that just had all the crap ripped out and was thus smaller and lighter. (Are you listening, Nokia/Motorola/Sanyo/Samsung/Sprint/Cingular/Veriz on? Yank out all that shit, cut the size of the phone in half, double the price, and I am there.)

      This isn't unique to cellular: When was the last time you saw an add for a single-function scanner for home use?

      No idea, I haven't bought a scanner in a decade. What else do they bolt onto them? Faxing or somesuch nonsense?

      I think scanners were probably altered by the fact that they had already gotten as small as they could while still performing their function, and so cheap as to border on free. (Yes, even when I last bought one almost a decade ago. It was a tiny bit larger than 8.5"x11", less than an inch thick, required no separate power source, and cost $40.) Neither of these things is true of phones; they're still about seven times their optimal size, and cost many hundreds of dollars (before carrier subsidies). So I don't think that that particular example is an especially relevant one.

    18. Re:Small is bad now? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good, but some of us don't care about bluetooth, would rather not even have a screen, don't care about battery life as long as it lasts more than a day with moderate usage, and don't want something that needs a holster or takes up too much space in the ol' pocket.

      Fortunately, there isn't just ONE phone design, so we can all be happy.

      Except me for a little while. When is my voice-controlled over-the-ear phone going to come out?

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    19. Re:Small is bad now? by savorymedia · · Score: 1

      *falls over laughing*

      I was shopping for a new phone a couple days ago and almost bought the Pantech 300. Thank God I saw the Samsung D807 and the drool factor kicked in before it was too later. :)

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    20. Re:Small is bad now? by edremy · · Score: 1
      So your camera takes 8 seconds to boot up... that would hardly make it the WORST tech of Q2 2006.

      Actually, I would argue it does. 8 seconds is about 7.5 seconds too long. My two year old Minolta 4MP camera boots in well under 2 and it's hardly state of the art today. (Slide the shield open and by the time I can get the camera lined up it will shoot.)

      I have two young kids- getting a decent photo really is a matter of seconds. An absurdly long bootup time indicates the people who designed the camera really don't use cameras much, or are simply shaving corners without considering the impact that piss-poor ergonomics makes in the experience of using the camera. Either way it screams bad tech.

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    21. Re:Small is bad now? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I'm totally perplexed by this. I looked at their "review" of the phone, which is really just a couple of sentences inexplicably listing its smallness as "con".

      Yeah, I don't know of any positive reason for a phone to necessarily be big. Screen size might become a factor if it got ridiculously small, but some of us don't need fancy screens with Nvidia graphics and the latest games - we want a telephone that is easy to carry around. However, if the mentioned phone's battery life is in fact below average, I can not see myself even considering buying it. Sometimes I need all of the generous battery life my phone offers, though it is a bit older and clunkier than a couple of newer phones I've tried. I can not tolerate a need for more frequent charges, so super-tiny phones are not yet an option for people like me.

      I'm not saying the article was particularly well-reasoned, just that there is currently the possibility that a phone could be to small to be usable.

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    22. Re:Small is bad now? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      there's a new samsung phone, credit card style:

      http://europe.samsungmobile.com/eng/mobile_phone/s gh-p300/specification.jsp

      maybe a bit wider than other models, but most probably the slimmest one around.

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  5. steves and segway polo by chrisxkelley · · Score: 2, Funny

    hm.. dont let ballmer join the segway polo team. that'd be one expensive chair when he loses.

  6. can I vote for CNET? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That article was so badly written, I thought it was a digg posting. Is there any journalism left in the eletronic age?

  7. Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    360 Red Lights of Death

    I think the record is up to someone who is on their SEVENTH!!! 360 replacement unit.

    It is bizarre to see 360 owners talk about how lucky they are with only have to have gone through one or two replacement 360s. Or how 'impressed' they were with how quickly Microsoft sent the delivery truck to pickup their dead 360. Boggle. It's like airline passengers bragging about how a certain airline has the best bodybags when confronted with the abysmal safety record of the airline they are flying on.

    The failure rate of the Xbox 360 hardware is so beyond any other piece of electronic hardware it has to be costing Microsoft insane amounts of money to keep the 2 million or so poor sods with 360s from storming the Redmond headquarters. Free games, waving fees for out of warranty failures, insane amount of money on shipping units to and from Microsoft for replacement.

    What is funny about the whole Xbox 360 hardware failure fiasco is after the first Xbox marketplace failure this was the one where Microsoft was supposed to get things right and take over the console world.

    Heh, so much for that plan...

    1. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The 360 isn't the worst tech of 2006 because of the absurd hardware failure rates.

      It's the worst tech of 2006 because it is a massively overpriced 480p gaming machine that Microsoft is trying to use for 720p. The fucked up 360 graphics system has only 10megs of EDRAM - which is exactly how much you need for 4xAA 480p screen - meaning that developers are forced to either go with almost no AA and have jaggies everywhere(like most 360 games) or implement a tedious to write custom tile renderer just for the 360 version of their game that drags down rendering performance due to all the redundant rendering from overlapping geometry on tile boundaries.

      The 360 is a nightmare for developers.

      It's like Microsoft told ATI, take one of your stock pc graphics cards and fuck it up and make it as difficult as possible for developers to work with.

      * Lack of decent AA - jaggies everywhere
      * Miserable framerates - due to the system trying to render at 720p when it really is only powerful enough to handle 480p
      * Screen tearing - due to developers not being able to maintain a decent framerate at 720p
      * Texture filtering problems - there is an almost complete lack of AF in 360 games - something even old lowend pc graphics cards can handle without a sweat

      You just want to smack your head and roll your eyes and have pity for the poor sods that have to do 360 development.

    2. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is interesting about the Wii and the 360 is they appear to be roughly equal powered systems - both essentially native 480p systems.

      So you have in reality 480p Wii game with good AA and framerate == 720p 360 game with jaggies and low framerate.

      Nintendo should really come out with at least one major game that has 'teh shine' all over the place like Xbox games and people would probably see the system as the equal of the 360.

      And with the PS3 already with 1080p games...

      PS3>>>>>>>>>>>Wii/360>>GameCube/Xbox/PS2

    3. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have been grossly mis-informed. The embedded memory within the GPU itself a massive benefit to developers. It allows the GPU to do extra graphical work (such as Anti Aliasing) without moving the data back to the GPU's memory (in the case of the 360, the 512MB system memory) - this saves system bandwidth, data retrieval time, and system memory usage. The 10 megs of embedded memory should not be considered a framebuffer. The only other system I'm aware of that has a similar setup is the Flipper in the Gamecube (3MB) - and likely Hollywood in the Wii. No GPU you can purchase for your PC has this, the PS3 does not have this. The GPU itself is more akin to the X1900 from ATI in that theres a unified shader system, which gives developers a lot more freedom (and ultimately more performance since the system wont be waiting for shader pipes to free up) with what is rendered.

      We've not had the 360 on the market for a year, and launch developers had a fraction of the time required to tune their games to the hardware.

      Frankly, the 360's biggest problem (ironically, the same problem area that the PS3 will present) is with the CPU. It has the potential to be an incredibly powerful unit, however programers have to relearn normal program flow to even use it. Splitting a game into (up to) 6 different threads, none of which can issue an out-of-order call, is a monumental headache. The timing required to get things working perfectly will take years to develop. I believe this is where your performance loss, framerate included, is do be found.

    4. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You have been grossly mis-informed. The embedded memory within the GPU itself a massive benefit to developers."

      A 360 developer has two choices for dealing with the too small EDRAM:

      1) Forget about AA and just render into 10meg buffer - almost every 360 game goes with this method and is why 360 games look so bad compared to even mid-range desktop pcs - jags all over the place.

      2) Write a tile renderer - there might be a few going through the hassle - most likely less graphically demanding games like fighters or 2D games. A tile renderer drags down performance and is a needless pain to have to write. Especially for pc developers who make up the bulk of 360 developers.

      Nightmare? Major hassle? Regardless of what people call it, the 360 borked graphics system shows just what amateurs Microsoft is when it comes to console hardware.

      Microsoft really needs to drop their requirement that all games run at 720p. 480p would make developers much happier and might get more of them to support the platform - something Microsoft desperately needs.

    5. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Render to the buffer? Sure, you can do that, but then you've got 7 megs of unused space. All 360 games are rendered internally at 720p and up/down sampled to the output resolution. 720p images (asuming a 24bit colour depth - probable considering the GPU is ATI developed) end up at 2.7 megs in size [1280x720x24 = 22118400 bits = 2764800 bytes = 2700 kilybytes = 2.63671875 megabytes]. The imbedded memory is hardly too small.

      There is nothing wrong with the GPU itself, nor the layout. The inclusion of the buffer does not cause developers to forgo the addition of Anti Aliasing, it actually helps by a fair margin (reducing performance cost overhead by at least 50%). If the developers wish to use the resources elsewhere, then they'll do so. You wont find a consumer grade graphics system more accomidating to adding AA than the 360's GPU.

      The 360 isn't a native 480p machine, it was designed from the very beginning to work with 720p as the native res.

      I feel it is warrented that I point out I do not own a 360, nor do I see myself owning one in the near future. I will buy a Wii on launch, but I'm waiting to see how the games pan out for the 360 and PS3 before picking up a 2nd system for myself.

    6. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are either someone who regurgitates misinformation from message boards, or a really poor graphics engineer.

      1. They didn't 'fuck up' with EDRAM. They made a decision between having less and expensive but fast frame buffer memory (0.25 TB/s) or using a larger amount of regular and slower VRAM. This means fill rate will almost NEVER be a performance bottleneck. This is important if you do lots of transparency/overdraw/fp backbuffers/multiple rendertargets/MSAA/fullscreen effects which is everything modern games do. The PS3 completely fails in the fill rate department.

      3. Using EDRAM actually means you use less memory for your backbuffers. Since only one tile at a time is stored at MSAA resolutions.

      2. Writing tiling code is far from tedious. They added 2 (OMG TWO!) functions you have to call before and after you submit your drawing calls. This will automatically do tiling for you by the driver, in a pretty efficient way. There is practically no CPU cost of doing this and adds a small percentage of overhead on the GPU. Using more advanced GPU features may require to manually select which tile the object renders into. If you have the know-how to use these advanced features then you not be one who crys that tiling is 'tedious'. The only 'overlap' is vertex processing for meshes which cross tile boundaries. Most visual effects used in modern games are pixel shader heavy. If you 'need' to write your own tiler for use on the 360, its about as complicated as writing a frustum culler (i.e. trivial).

      3. Lack of AA, miserable frame rate, tearing, lack of anisotropic has NOTHING to do with the hardware. It often has to do with games rushed out for launch or being on a tight schedule, port of old engines, people like you working as rendering engineers.

      4. ATI has made one of the greatest console video chips to date. They designed it with a very specific goal and purpose. They have exposed all the internals to developers which makes it EASIER for developers to work with. Sorry it makes it harder for people like you who copy paste code from 'Learn2Program in 24 Hours'.

      5. The 360 is by far the easiest console to program for to date. Excellent tools from Microsoft, and a very balanced architecture.

      The 360 has plenty of power and is well balanced compared to the PS3. A well balanced console makes it easier to develop for. The GameCube was a well balanced console.

    7. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by ewhac · · Score: 1
      The 360 is a nightmare for developers.

      You won't know the meaning of the word 'nightmare' until you start facing down a PS3.

      Schwab

    8. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by radish · · Score: 1

      FUD. It's been stated again and again by MS that the failure rate of the 360 is comparable to other consumer electronics devices, i.e. in the 3-5% range. Sure the forums are full of people complaining, but you should know better that to look to forums (particularly gaming ones) for reliable information. Just to present the other side of the picture, I know 7 people with 360's and not one of them has had a single problem.

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    9. Re:Xbox 360 - Hands Down 'Winner' by radish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is interesting, because all the developers I've spoken to (and yes, I do know some actual game developers actually working on these things) rather like the 360.

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  8. The weekend is good again by tsa · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I laughed my head off. This is one of the funniest articles I read in a long time. Maybe the fact that I love lists like this added to the fun. BTW, it seems many people like to be annoyed or we wouldn't have lists like this :-) I can't wait for the Worst tech of Q3 2006!

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  9. Futurama did it! by __aalwyc6372 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Have you swallowed your mobile again?"

    1. Re:Futurama did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farnsworth: "This is a chance for Fry to test out my experimental anti-pressure pill."
      Fry: "I can't swallow that!"
      Farnsworth: "Well then, good news! It's a suppository."

  10. Re:Tagging WTF by tsa · · Score: 1

    Can someone mod this person down? Posting the same text in every thread is kind of annoying.

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  11. I dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, I thought this article was pretty stupid and pointless. At least it was only one page.

  12. Get some sleep already man by kesuki · · Score: 1

    wow zonk :) up all night after a long stint on the bottle?

  13. Tubenet (Ted Stevens' version of the Internet) by FractalZone · · Score: 3, Funny

    "It's a series of tubes. This amazing network technology enables you to get email from associates in as little as five days! Thankfully, Mr. Stevens is yet-another-confused Congresscritter more interested in pork than in sound public policy.

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    1. Re:Tubenet (Ted Stevens' version of the Internet) by dangitman · · Score: 1

      "What is this - some kind of tube?" - Bob Dole

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  14. Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS... by w4rl5ck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    back in the 19th century.

    I think, the Segway will be my relief when I get old and can't walk as good as now. It should be a nice replacement for those grandma walking aids that must be used these days.

    So, I don't think the segway is a bad thing at all. looks stupid, but hey... %)

  15. Excellent Karma? by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    And yes, I'm logged in with excellent karma.
    by Anonymous Coward

    Anonymous Coward has excellent karma? He must have hacked the system.

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  16. A prime example of why I don't read CNET... by Darundal · · Score: 3, Informative

    An article with next to no content, that doesn't even stick to the tech like the headline states...so-so reviews...and an annoying convoluted site design.

    1. Re:A prime example of why I don't read CNET... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      If you think tha their articles are bad, then why are you at Slashdot? I actually enjoyed reading that article. I read the whole thing, and actually got some info out of it (I saw the Nintendo controller.... ugh!!!) Slashdot articles are, by comparison... well... if I was really interested, I'd check a thesaurus for the words "bad, redundant, and horribly biased"

    2. Re:A prime example of why I don't read CNET... by Darundal · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is about the discussion...plus slashdot doesn't link CNET all that much...and one has to admit that even by CNET's standards that was pretty horrible

  17. Ultra Mobile PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Recently I have noticed that a lot of review sites review hardware with a specific purpose in mind. The Samsung Q1 UltraMobile devices are great in an educational setting as well as for mobile employees previously tied to a Tablet PC. Still, the complaints from many review sites is basically "This device is not good for this purpose" instead of a simple "The battery options limit the usable time to 2.5 hours". Explore the specifications and any limitations exposed beyond simple spec sheet and leave us with enough knowledge to determine whether the devices will work in our specific situation.

    BTW, a name change is not "worst tech".

    1. Re:Ultra Mobile PC by presearch · · Score: 1

      But the Q1 is terrible executed. It's controls, materials, even the box it comes in shows an obsession with making a really big black iPod. Even though they had Apple to copy from, it's a hodgepodge of styles. The ports are scattered around the edge of the device, making it seem like it's a development board wrapped in a plastic shell, with no thought put into how it feels in the hand of the user. That shiny black plastic might look good when you take it out of the box, but it quickly gets nasty with fingerprints (I admit Apple have the same problem).

      There's no comfortable way to hold it, always feeling a bit too big and heavy on the wrist and it's never clear how to interact with it; stylus? fingertip? left of right thumb buttons? I found that the least frustrating was to plug a mouse into it, which isn't really the point.

      Worst of all is the software. When you first turn if on, Windows wants it's usual info pokes to register it, but there's an on-screen keyboard that obscures the EULA and other dialogs and the keyboard window refuses to be moved off screen. The manual tells you just to poke yes and OK without being able to read what you're agreeing to. Just terrible. I kept thinking about what a terrible out-of-box experience it would be for someone that wasn't familiar with Windows already. Not very satisfying for a new $1200 toy. PocketPC/CE would work much better on the device, just because it was designed around a smaller screen and poking at it with a stylus.

      Once the thing finally comes up, the native resolution of the screen is too small for many windows dialogs and so you have to switch (obscurely) into a faked higher res mode and then the text is really small and full of drawing artifacts.

      I kept thinking how well Apple would have approached the device and how it induced a total lack of device lust. I gave it back with no regret.

  18. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by mjeffers · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think, the Segway will be my relief when I get old and can't walk as good as now. It should be a nice replacement for those grandma walking aids that must be used these days.

    Now it makes sense. The Segway's market is that large group of elderly people who can't walk long distances but are able to stand for long periods of time.

    "Somewhere between mobility and the Rascal Scooter? Consider Segway!"

  19. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS... back in the 19th century.

    Hey, I still do, because it's so easy! They're riding those bikes while rubbing their genitals against the saddle, wearing those ghey tight shorts (or moronic baggy ones) and stupid fugly helmets, taking up space on the roads for no reason at all.

    I hope by "bikers" you meant the people riding bicycles, not motorbikes. Those guys would kick my ass.
  20. I haven't said it before, by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Informative

    but I'll say it now; The name change might be good for publicity, but I still find the new name retarded.

  21. Worst tech has CNET itself by Schugy · · Score: 0

    because watching a movie, usually mpeg2, xvid/divx, theora e.g., requires Macromedia's banner-ad-player. Macromedia guys would really like us to depend on them but all I do is to BOYCOTT it.

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  24. Peter swallows phone by bloggin+joe · · Score: 2, Funny

    That mention of that small phone reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Peter, after going over a bump in his car while talking on his cell phone, swallows it, without pushing 'END' first.

  25. It's an American thing... by blorg · · Score: 1

    You'll never see a European or Japanese review complaining that a gadget is too small, only US reviewers (although certainly not all.)

    I think it has to do with finger fatness among certain American reviewers, reminds me of that Simpsons episode...

  26. Segway.. by DRM_is_Stupid · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who misread it as Segway Pogo? I thought that maybe they went one-stick because two-wheel wasn't going far enough. That would certainly count as one of the worst tech...

    1. Re:Segway.. by mrjb · · Score: 1

      Segway Pogo? I want one :)

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  27. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by drsquare · · Score: 1

    So when you're too old to walk, you won't be too old to withstand the forces of falling off a segway?

  28. Rich folks and their toys/games by eck011219 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, am I the only one who thought the video of Woz was ridiculous? I mean, of course it's ridiculous, but more specifically he goes on at limited but noticable length about how he's so good at this that they keep having to change the rules to minimize his dominance. The interviewer goads him on a bit, but really, he seems pretty conceited throughout the whole interview. I haven't had much experience watching him in the past, so it could be that he's always this way. But good God, the man is playing a full-size version of table hockey, more or less, with minimal expenditure of energy and a silly helmet, and all he can do is brag about how much better he is at it than everyone else.

    All that said, it DOES look like goofy fun. I guess the contrast between the World Cup (twenty-two guys from all over the world and a ball, running their butts off for close to two hours) and this (a bunch of people with lots of resources riding fabulous machines around and whacking at stuff) got to me, though.

    Wait, I just basically described auto racing, too, and I love auto racing. Ah, hells bells, I gotta rethink this one ...

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  29. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    Hey, I still do, because it's so easy! They're riding those bikes while rubbing their genitals against the saddle, wearing those ghey tight shorts (or moronic baggy ones) and stupid fugly helmets, taking up space on the roads for no reason at all.

    I commute around NYC by bike, so "no reason at all" isn't always true. It's faster than walking, driving, or taking the subway; better exercise; and doesn't get you any parking tickets ever.

    I hope by "bikers" you meant the people riding bicycles, not motorbikes. Those guys would kick my ass.

    Talk to the motorbike people once in a while. They're actually pretty cool most of the time and many of them are geeks in their own way - they hack mechanical things instead of software.

    -b. (who rides both types of bikes and enjoys it all)

  30. Killer App by Mignon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to take article this seriously, but hopping land mines get my vote for worst tech.

  31. Re:Tagging WTF by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would be good to be able to completely assess the entire gamut of users opinions.

    If only there were some kind of list of messages containing the opinions of users of slashdot... messages that would be listed like a line, no.. a... a thread. Yes.

    If only you could read the fucking thread. If only.

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  32. "Worst name change: Nintendo Wii" ? by Orlando · · Score: 1

    Hey, get with the program, everyone is over the name change now and actually thinks it's a good idea, plus Nintendo got a mass of publicity over the device for it into the bargain.

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    1. Re:"Worst name change: Nintendo Wii" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. I still think it's rubbish. I've come to accept it, in some ways, but if I get talking to someone else about it I find myself either calling it the revolution or the "wii - isn't that the stupidest name you've ever heard?"

      p.s. best wii joke:
      Did you hear the new Nintendo console is going to have the Opera web browser? It means you'll be able to surf on wee!

      If you're talking to the right kind of persion follow up with a mention of "watersports" for extra hilarity.

  33. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, all the old people with cane's and walkers. There are quite a few.

  34. What a load of shit. by Corngood · · Score: 2, Informative

    They never assumed you would have to fit your whole framebuffer in EDRAM at once, that's why they have predicated tiling. I'm not going to go beyond what info is publicly available, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

    Predicated Tiling

    1. Re:What a load of shit. by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      I second this. Most of the graphical issues you're seeing today are game teams doing ports of last-gen games or getting used to the hardware. Wait till PS3 comes out if you want to talk about underperforming hardware!

  35. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah, they use them because they don't have an balance. I can just picture someone ona Segway using a walker to maintain balance.

  36. CNET Self Promoting ? by GallaherMike · · Score: 1

    What I find interesting is that if you click the links for the items you get the CNET reviews for the same items. In several cases CNET gave an item a positive review only to include it on the list of "Worst Tech". Now I know they say there is no such thing as bad press but this seems like a case of social engineering on the part of CNET using /. to drive people to a questionable article. That being said I did go read the article and the linked reviews so I guess as sheeple I cant complain to much (doh!)

  37. Or Futurama by GeekDork · · Score: 1

    What's up Amy? Have you swallowed your cellphone again?

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  38. Re:Tagging WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might want to consider either emailing Cmdr Taco, or alternatively put the question in a journal entry and then link to the entry in your sig. That way you don't have to keep repeating the question to which the answer is evidently that if there is a way to do what you're trying to do, then most people don't know it.

  39. HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray, not enough by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

    Man, I just don't understand why so many tech journalists are such lapdogs who trot out this same lame line about how terrible a format war is. The real problem is that there aren't enough competing candidates. As it is both main candidates have similar user hostile lock down technology. Imagine if we simply had to accept whatever is annointed and brought down to the masses from the mountain. When only insiders get to make binding design choices that means your likely to get devices that have less than optimum (from the consumer standpoint) features.

    It appears that HD-DVD might have a slight edge that you might have an approved option to transfer some content to your computer. Without competition between formats even these slight concessions would be unlikely. I hope the competition continues at least until they have to compete to see which format provides an affordable (less than $100) disc writer so that contestant can be rewarded.

    I understand that early adopters face the prospect that a wrong choice means the need to buy a less expensive device of the competing format and a collection of media dependent on legacy players that can only be obtained at bargain prices on eBay (I've purchased more than one LD player there). I'm much happier with my superior LD collection than the cheesy tapes other people collected. So in this particular case even when you lose, you still win because you could have made your choice for reasons that continue to matter to you.

    Think of the big shot at ABC who had no trouble claiming people didn't really care about having fast forward for skipping over obnoxious or tedious commercials (or the mysteriously required musical guest on every talk show). If they could enforce a single PVR design (which cable providers pretty much can) there would be a remote possibility that it would be missing the 30/60 second jump forward capability. It is a remote possibility now because people know of its possibility because of competing designs.

    The problem isn't the lack of an industry annointed standard format, it is that we could do even better if there were a larger variety of options to compete for our acceptance.

  40. Windows Geniune Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm voting for Windows Genuine Advantage. Strangely, that did ship on time. On time to what, I'll be buggered if I know.

    Its simple really, so the Windows development team can spy on your computer usage and know how they can make "Windows work better for you". Also, as has been said many times before, so your PC can communicate with the mothership and accept commands to even turn off your PC remotely. Basically, it boils down to yet another attempt to rid Windows of casual privacy while unfortunately paining the legimate consumer at the exact same time. I vote for WGA also.

  41. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by soft_guy · · Score: 1

    I used to think motorcycles were "scary" and "lame", but then I decided to get one. I found out they are cool and awesome. Riding a motorcycle is totally fun. Plus, most bikers are really nice. In fact, I have found that motorcyclists pretty much usually wave to each other as they pass. Sometimes when I am in my car, I want to wave to bikers, but I think you are only supposed to do that when you are actually on the bike.

    Also, side car bikes rule.

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  42. Re:Segway... hey, they laughed at bikers for YEARS by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    Also, side car bikes rule.

    Just be careful whilst going around turns. You tend to look really silly weaving around a turn with sidecar imitating a pogo stick :)

    -b.

  43. Lack of programming? by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Such "lack of programming" disturbs many people around the world; it's the "quick" way of writing stuff without thinking about later consequences like user input/output. Why program lazy and not use the real ways; which will take some more time to complete the project but it will sure be double as steady and reliable; let not mention it'll make your life easier for later adjustments to it.

    640k ought to be enough in that time; when floppy's where 5/14" 360k and 3.5" 720k; harddrives where a luxe and the code-and-data needed to fit on one floppy. I grew up in such environment where code and data -needed- to fit on a 360k floppy; and I got to tell; these floppies in duo where often BIG ENOUGH for most purposes.

    Since Windows came out a lot of people became lazy to program for it; I blame partially the "click-and-point" languages giving not enough perspective to all factors needed to program reliable, secure and towards future expandibility when needed. Yes they are expandable; but in their own way; just like Dreamweaver will use its own blocks of code in HTML, will other "intelligent" editors always be intelligent till their own changable parameters.

    Those parameters are often not enough and need to be optimized/tweaked to be working to real life working applications. A lot of applications do lack that kind of optimizing and tweaking. Web browsers are mostly already protected against the many parameters of user additives showing even the errors "right"; although there are still a lot of webpages out there which are not really "clean" and "optimized" but rather (very)big in size. Moral of the entire text is; like there will be bad html, perl, C++, PHP, whatever code; there will be code using all bells-and-whistles of the click-and-point interface they use but without the real optimizing which is perhaps the "fine workcraftmanship"...

    On the Internet there is the "netiquette", why shouldn't a programmer behave on similar ethics? Document, create secure, modular and reliable code which is taking real-world parameters. Such parameters do include but not limited to "expect unknown user input; always limit your incoming values!", "take care of hooks for user output (data export, printing, publishing, ...)", "reliability is a factor; an application should work many years with the least of maintenance", "don't be egoistic and program space-memory optimized, don't use 5 DVD's to unstall your program when 1 CD should be enough", ....

    To stay on topic ; your comments are completely moot; the 10mb should be enough if you use it as a responsible coder. You document your code right? They did ;)

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