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Genetic Reason for Your Gadget Habit

You can't help it if you need to get the latest gadgets. Well... perhaps it's not quite such a serious medical affliction, but scientists have found a genetic basis for some folks' burning desire to have the latest and greatest. There's even a name for it - neophilia. Apparently, some of us have elevated levels of a cellular enzyme, monoamine oxidase A, and are more in need of stimulation from new things.

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  1. neophilia huh? by habedak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Neophilia is wanting new things...
    as opposed to Necrophilia, which is wanting things that aren't really 'fresh' anymore.

    1. Re:neophilia huh? by clickclickdrone · · Score: 4, Funny

      "ham roll" = ???

      A roll with ham in it? A round bready thing containing sliced processed pig? Or are you just querying the lack of chutney, pickle, mayo etc. in his luncheon choice?

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    2. Re:neophilia huh? by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Attempts by fundamentalist members of the Screen Actors Guild to "cure" it by exposing Neophiles to good-looking and expressive actors have so far been unsuccessful.

      Well duh - they should be making them watch the last two Matrix movies instead.

  2. The culture of victimhood by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now geeks join the culture of victimhood - "it's not my fault, its my [genes|society|enviroment]!". Congratulations on finally joining the mainstream!

    1. Re:The culture of victimhood by bwcarty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Forget non-profit organizations...I'm going for a government grant to study this disorder.

      Of course, if I'm doing important research like this, I'm going to have to have access to the latest technology. I'll need a hefty grant.

    2. Re:The culture of victimhood by wwest4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe there's a name to describe predictable knee-jerk reactions.

      Tell me, does your concept of free will allow for constraints? If not, I challenge you to breathe water. And I don't want to hear any crap about how your genetics predispose you to breathing air.

    3. Re:The culture of victimhood by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Informative
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    4. Re:The culture of victimhood by revlayle · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a GREAT IDEA!

      Then... I could afford MORE gadgets! :D

    5. Re:The culture of victimhood by swillden · · Score: 2, Funny

      We get special disability handouts from the government at the expense of your fellow tax payers?

      Handouts we can use to buy new gadgets? Awesome!

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    6. Re:The culture of victimhood by i_should_be_working · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shhh! How else am I to afford those bacterial DVDs when they come out?

    7. Re:The culture of victimhood by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but recognizing a cause does not automatically make one consider oneself a victim. This knee-jerk crying of "culture of victimhood" whenever a new root cause is found helps no one.

  3. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The scientific details are unimportant. The real question is, as it's not my fault, who can I sue over this?

  4. Is there a cure? by e1618978 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there a way to cut the levels of this enzyme? I need to get my wife to stop
    filling my house with crap from wal-mart and sams club. It isn't gadgets, but
    I imagine that the need for new stuff would be filled via other means for
    people that don't like electronics.

    1. Re:Is there a cure? by brianf711 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can decrease its activity with MAOIs (monoamine oxidase inhibitors), also known as anti-depressants.

    2. Re:Is there a cure? by Golias · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, see... That's called "decorating", and it's a normal behavior for human females. Those plants, wall hangings, and curios are supposed to serve the purpose of making your house look like somebody other than a Spartan warrior is living there.

      The alternative to having all that "crap" in your house is a divorce, after which you will probably never have to worry about a home cluttered by possessions again.

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    3. Re:Is there a cure? by milamber3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are ways to cut the levels, MAOI drugs which inhibit MAO's from breaking down the monoanime neurotransmitters (dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin) are pretty powerful anti-depressants. Unfortunately they have some very unfriendly reactions with other meds as well as side effects and increased health risks. MAO's do so much more than just make you want new stuff.

    4. Re:Is there a cure? by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny
      Is there a way to cut the levels of this enzyme?

      yes! I have developed a brand new, never seen before cure for this affliction. I bet you want some now, don't you?

    5. Re:Is there a cure? by reverseengineer · · Score: 2, Informative
      The monoamine oxidases are responsible for breaking down certain neurotransmitters in the body (monoamines like adrenaline, noradrenaline, dopamine, and serotonin). I assume (read the article, not the paper) what this research is getting at is that this certain form of monoamine oxidase A is more effective in breaking down neurotransmitters- perhaps dopamine in particular, as dopamine is an important factor in the body's "reward" system.

      I'd imagine that such "neophiliacs" have a sort of addiction to novelty then- they get a brief high from acquiring or experiencing the new hotness, then crash down into a depression when it becomes the old and busted. The process is likely very similar to what is found in gambling addiction- in most people, it's (nearly) harmless fun, but in a select few, it becomes a ruinous compulsion. In the case of a severe "gadget addict," I'd bet living in Akihabara would be like a gambling addict living at a casino.

      As to what can be done in severe cases, pharmaceutical antidepressants have been used to modulate neurotransmitter levels for decades, and in particular, the class known as monoamine oxidase inhibitors seem tailor-made for this.

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    6. Re:Is there a cure? by (Score.5,+Interestin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was just about to post some tongue-in-cheek comments about MAOIs... firstly you really don't want to try and "treat" this with a MAOI, these things are used as a last resort if everything else fails because they interact with virtually anything else you take (including food) in ways ranging from slightly problematic through to fatal. Since MAOI's can have permanent effects on brain functions (i.e. the effects don't go away once you stop taking the medication), it's also something you have to be pretty desperate to consider taking. Finally, as the article says, I'm somewhat sceptical about MAOA causing this, more likely it was coincidence that the elevated levels were found in the subjects.

    7. Re:Is there a cure? by milamber3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We do have drugs that affect one, some, or all of them. Norepinephrine is made from epinephrine which is made from dopamine and you can inhibit the cascade in multiple places. The problem is that they do so many different things manipulating them to have a positive benefit is very tricky. The same goes for serotonin, SSRI's have that first S for selective by necessity, it allows them to have some positive benefit but they are also very mild as anti-depressants go. When you start increasing serotonin throughout the CNS in a non-selective way you end up with something akin to the street drug LSD.

      Also a slight correction, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but they are neurotransmitters (NT) not enzymes. It can be a very important difference in that enzymes catalyze reactions while NT's generally act as ligands for receptors.

    8. Re:Is there a cure? by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you've never used stone age technology to accomplish a goal it is just as "new" to you, and your enzymes, as the "latest" gadget.

      KFG

    9. Re:Is there a cure? by dave1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Different EULA?

  5. Life would be great if... by BluePariah · · Score: 5, Funny

    you had neophilia and amnesia at the same time. Imagine the pleasure of discovering your new right hand every 20 seconds.

    1. Re:Life would be great if... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hi, my name is Leonard. Have I told you about my condition?

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    2. Re:Life would be great if... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suppose the other hand would feel left out.

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  6. Hmmmm, been there, done that. by tgd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently, some of us have elevated levels of a cellular enzyme, monoamine oxidase A, and are more in need of stimulation from new things.

    I keep telling my girlfriend that, but she just won't go for it.

  7. Hmmm by MrSquirrel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have a strange urge to possess a gadget that can measure the level of this "gadget disease" in people.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by MrSquirrel · · Score: 4, Funny

      *sarcasm detector explodes*

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  8. ADD of the new millennium by milamber3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before it was, tell all the parents their child has ADD/ADHD and that's why he/she wont sit still or pay attention in class. Now doctors will be saying that the kids need all this new stuff and throw temper tantrums because of their genetically elevated monoamine oxidase A and not that they are spoiled/greedy/etc.

    1. Re:ADD of the new millennium by rtobyr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps it works the other way around. Children who are spoiled and greedy DEVELOP elevated levels of monoamine oxidase A as a result.

    2. Re:ADD of the new millennium by milamber3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very possible, I could see constantly exposing a developing brain to every new (toy, gadget, thing) might cause changes similar to that seen in drug addicts. There would be elevated MAO to get rid of the excess dopamine which was being released and then when the stimulation of new toys was cut off a resulting excessive down regulation of dopamine would cause some type of withdraw symptoms. This is somewhat of a strech, just as being addicted to video games and the internet is a strech, still its plausable.

    3. Re:ADD of the new millennium by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Perhaps it works the other way around. Children who are spoiled and greedy DEVELOP elevated levels of monoamine oxidase A as a result.

      Hmmmmm ... seems to be backwards for me then. I didn't have much growing up, parents immigrated from Vietnam with kids in tow. Toys were scarce as a kid. But as an adult with money to spend, I find myself compensating for my lack-of-toys childhood.

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    4. Re:ADD of the new millennium by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whatever the reason, they're going to need lots and lots of very expensive, and very patented anti-monoamine oxidase A to make them fit in at school.

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  9. Implications go beyond gadgets by rtobyr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if people with elevated levels of monoamine oxidase A are more inclined to engage in infidelity, citing the need for a variety of partners.

  10. Extent by trifish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder whether I suffer from neophilia too when I fall in love with a new girl each week...

    1. Re:Extent by LittleBigLui · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, that's communioimagognarusturmaphilia, or "JPEG collector's disease", as it is commonly called.

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  11. Opposite by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess the opposite would be retrophilia - the love of buying other people's junk off eBay, while dreaming of hitting the jackpot on Antiques Roadshow, or browsing antique shops while dreaming of making a fortune on eBay.

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  12. Grow out of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was younger I would have fit the neophilia profile. I had to have the latest video game system and all of the games, the latest stereo, latest everything. I've noticed that over the past 10 years or so I've become less interested in technology in general. Mind you I'm still heavily engrossed in technology every day (I'm a programmer), but I'm finding that I just don't care anymore. Maybe its just the stress of it all, I don't know. Has anyone else experienced this?

    1. Re:Grow out of it by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, I found that once I grew up and actually had to pay for my own gadgets, my desire for said gadgets declined steeply.

    2. Re:Grow out of it by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly the same here. I was for years the proverbial early adopter in all areas of tech toys - consoles, PCs, home cinema etc. Now I just look at it and think "what's the point?". I figured it was down to becoming a parent and having A) less disposable cash (OK, no disposable cash) and B) realising there are far more important things in life than shiny stuff. Mmmmm shiny stuff..... Where was I? Oh yes, I also noticed I started to feel *worse* after buying new stuff as it added little to my life except more clutter and left a hole in my pocket making me regret the purchase almost as soon as I walked out the shop.

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    3. Re:Grow out of it by 93,000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have the same feelings, and I think it's mainly a matter of realizing the whole 'perceived reward vs. actual reward'. I used to always long for gadgets, etc, just KNOWING that they would make my life great and imagining how cool/happy/satisfied I'd be if I only had one. Whatever the item is, no matter how great, it's never what I build it up to be in my head. The high of having this new shiny thing wears off in about a day -- the credit card balance sticks around quite a bit longer to rub it in.

      After having this happen a time or four, I've started really questioning what a product will bring me. For example, I've been really wanting to get an iPod to replace my $15 diskman that plays mp3 cds.

      The Perception: said iPod would be new and shinny and cute and hip and hold 20,000 songs and I'd have it with me all the time and it would vastly improve my life.

      The Reality: I'd only wear it to mow my fucking lawn, just like I do now with the diskman.

      I think I just saved about $300.

    4. Re:Grow out of it by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 2, Funny

      Me too. I am totally burned out on technology. Maybe one of these days I will get a cell phone. My buddy taking a picture and sending it to his GF was pretty cool.

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  13. Re:But... by uioreanu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hate to live in a world where every human trait sounds like a disease. If we could cure our need for new, and turn boredom into ever-lasting happiness; how long before we find a cure at being human?

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  14. Not a flaw, a feature, really by Bullfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a good thing and is part of all of our natures. Without it, we would never have left the caves, invented the spiky club, fire, beer or the refrigerator (in which you keep your beer).

  15. Yea yea yea.. by respyre · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great, great. Now c'mon... make with a new article, already!

  16. Re:But... by everett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We already have a cure for being human, it's called Law School.

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  17. Need a new thread by dbdweeb · · Score: 5, Funny

    This thread is old and boring now... I need a new, more interesting topic.

  18. So they finally did it... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

    They gave a new name to the "OOOH SHINEY!" syndrome that every geek has.

    I'm all for it as long as they come up with a disability program that helps us. You know, add's an additional $50,000.00 a year to your income for supporting the shiney habit or offering an insurance card that allows us to buy the items with a $20.00 co-pay to offset the costs of collecting new shiney objects with blinking lights.

    Although I can see it now... "Im sorry sir but you have already bought a HD-DVD player this month on your plan, you will have to wait until next month. you can buy a new CD changer or GPS though with your monthly allowance."

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  19. You know, if you were a real geek... by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 4, Informative

    this would be old news.

    I mean, "neophilia" has been in the jargon file since, what, 1973?

  20. Software by bcmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think I deal with this by getting new software all the time. It's a lot cheaper, especially on Linux :)

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  21. Re:The Lab test is simple! by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > Mouse labs that wanted the "New Cheese - Extra Holes" or chose the new "Super mouse Wheel" over the plain one, presents this gene, thus humans who present this specific gene suffer from Neophilia!

    Build a better moustrap, and only the Neophilic mice will beat a path to your door.

  22. Re:Or... BS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Example. Have you ever looked at the people in the supermarkets that use food stamps. A lot of them, but not all, have their nails done, their hair professionaly styled, name brand clothing/atire, more makeup on their face than they really need, a brand new gas guzzling SUV every year or two, etc.

    Those people are frauds who are cheating the poor; they buy those stamps from poor people at half the face value. Poor people like beer and cigarrettes (and many are addicted), and that job at McDonald's just doesn't buy much beer or many cigarettes, so if they have ample food stamps, they sell some. If you can afford payments on an SUV you don't get food stamps, PERIOD.

    Now the kicker - there aren't any more food stamps! Food stamps have been replaced by what's called a "LINK" card in all 50 states. It's been a long, long time since actual coupons have been used. It looks exactly like a credit card or an ATM card, and it was phased in to prevent exactly the kind of abuse that you CLAIM to have seen that I described. Now, you can't tell a "food stamp" (link card) user from anybody else using their Visa.

    So in short - BULLSHIT! You're busted, liar! (Ten bucks says you vote straight Republican)

  23. Eventually ... one would hope that... by StressGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The number of possible afflicitions, disorders, etc. begins to saturate the population such that it becomes apparant that everybody has *something* wrong with them. At that point, everybody becomes just like everyone else again and we can once again refocus on taking ownership/responsibility for our own issues.

    Either that, or everybody is on drugs to deal with their personal "disorders".

    So, the worst case is that we live in a society where smoking is banned, but you can take all the doctor prescribed mood altering drugs you want.

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