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Apple Reaches 12% Market Share In U.S. Notebooks
bonch writes "Apple's U.S. notebook market share has doubled to 12% after shipping 1.33 million Macs in the quarter. Apple also shipped 8.11 million iPods, topping analyst estimates, for a net income of $472 million. Remember when Apple was dying?" From the article: "The iPod shipments appeared to calm investors worried that growth in that red-hot business was slowing and Apple's results topped what analysts had said was a conservative forecast. Shares of Apple were down some 24 percent since early May. 'Apple looked good,' said Jane Snorek, technology analyst with First American Funds. 'The PC numbers were great, too.'"
Good news for Apple, great news for ubuntu and of course Excellent news for lovers of fried eggs :-)
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They're blaming a "global economic slowdown" but it looks to me like Apple are eating Dell's lunch.
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Apple might only have 12% of the market share in US Notebooks, but it's the top 12% :)
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This is great news for Apple and all, and I want to see their market share increase as much as the next guy, but this estimate of marketshare is based on units *shipped*. Doesn't Sony use the same kind of logic when talking about PSP market share? Shouldn't we be looking at units *sold*?
Apple does a great job of making products people want to buy.
With the iPods, they seem to be unstoppable. No matter what other companies offer, people want the iPod + iTunes more. With laptops, they make a sexier product than almost anyone else. Even the die-hard Windows folks I know are buying Apple laptops, running OS X + Windows via BootCamp or via Parallels.
To top it off, they do all this with higher profit margins than any other company. It's no surprise that their market share, and their stock, are both on the rise.
I think consumers are waiting out the iPod upgrade cycle and that has an impact. The market is fairly saturated as you note and there has not been a real upgrade in something like 18 months.
If they ever get a true 6G iPod out the door (and not the 5.5G that is being talked about) I think the market will respond favorably as there is a lot of pent up demand. Its funny how the markets and consumers judge apple's innovation by the latest iPod and that perception has somewhat stalled, particularly as MS makes noise about their new player.
But if a 6G ever comes out and integrates movie rentals, TV shows and music along with a Mac Media PC things could shift. I think Apple is almost in 'quiet' mode as they get ready for the next iteration.
The bigger Apple's market share, the more we'll see:
Competition. Microsoft has been lazy because they dominated the market for so long. If Apple becomes a serious competitor in the business world (where they're just really beginning to scratch the surface) then MS will feel the pinch and be forced to raise the quality of their product. We've seen nothing but good results from the CPU and video card races and price wars.
Realism. As Apple becomes more mainstream and falls into the hands of less competent users, we're going to see a lot of the myths about Apple go away. Its vaunted security comes at the price of ease of use, and I think we'll be seeing a lot of people wondering why they can't do on their Mac what they could do on their Dell...the answer is because they shouldn't have done it on the Dell to begin with, but that's beside the point. I've long said that for Apple to make a play for market dominance they'll have to dumb down their OS the way Microsoft did, and that will make them vulnerable, the same as Microsoft.
Less hypocrisy. Right now I see people on just about every tech site that will tear into Microsoft for packaging a browser with Windows, but praise Apple for packaging an OS with every PC, and dozens of applications with every OS. If Apple takes a large chunk of the market, we're going to have to hold them to the same standard we do Microsoft, meaning that we should be demanding an end to their anticompetitive practices of bundling their own software.
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Laptops have always been something that Apple has done well. They are sleek, fast as hell and other than the heat issues with the current crop (I'm running a MacBook Pro right now and cooking breakfast) as stable or more so than most other offerings. Will this thread start a flame war? Probably. But for crying out loud, they are tools, not a religion. I'm running both XP and OS X through Boot Camp. I wouldn't have gotten a mac laptop if that weren't possible. Their sales will go up because of this, but probably not anything that Dell needs to worry about. OS X's strengths tend to lie in niche groups (Music, Video and Graphics) or the arcane (command line *nix world). Win XP does everyday business tasks in a more comprehensible manner for most folks because most folks have been trained that way. Having both is a great thing for geeks. I know I'm happy about it. Apple saw this and is embracing it, but it won't give them the market share most are saying it could. They still will be, for the foreseeable future, a small segment.
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Perhaps, but there are a few counter-points to be made. Take a look at how their stock has performed:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=5y
Notice that every year except 2002, the stock price started accelerating after WWDC. Apple stock, therefore, is usually flat or slightly downward trending for the first half of the year. The stock market is heavily influenced by whatever Jobs' latest reality distortion is.
I would also argue that, in addition to the seasonal fluctuation's effect, Apple stock was highly overvalued at the end of last year on half-baked speculation that apple would somehow conquer the entire PC market because of its move to intel. What we're seeing right now is that unbridled enthusiasm getting reigned in. If the apple desktops sell as well as the macbooks have, I expect we'll see the price jumping up again after August, which of course will dissipate by the end of the year, rinse, lather, repeat.
If you think about it, Apple's laptops really are the top 12%. I've gone through two laptops in twice as many years, and having worked on/with a ridiculous variety of brands & models, I've finally come to realize that all laptops are crap. Not only that, all laptop manufacturers are crap, too.
Except, of course, Apple, and possibly IBM/Lenovo. Apple makes decent machines, only slightly overpriced, and when they break (as practically every laptop I've ever encountered has done within two years of use, some spectacularly so) Apple has a history of going to great lengths to fix their mistakes. Remember the iBooks with faulty motherboards? How many of those did Apple replace with newer models (models with double the RAM and disk space)?
They have their faults, and their mistakes, but by-and-large I'd say Apple is one of the few laptop manufacturers whom I'd trust well enough to buy from.
Oh, and those spectacular failures?Disclaimer: Yes, I am a Mac fan, so much so that I work for Apple (though I am not involved in any way with the notebooks)
The whole notion of Mac overpriced-ness used to be a real issue, and at the higher-ends of Apple's products still is. Performance-wise the MacBook Pro still offers precious little for what some el-cheapo notebook mfg's are doing for the same price. But have yhou taken a look at the MacBook lately?
Let's step back and evaluate what the average user wants. Tech geeks like us may care about whether we're getting an ATI Mobile X1600 vs. an Intel GMA950, because we actually use that bit of performance, but the vast majority of users do not. Throw the average emailing, IM-ing, music-listening user in front of a MacBook Pro vs. a MacBook vs. the fastest Windows laptop in the west and they can't tell the difference in performance.
What they CAN tell is that:
A) The MacBook has a nifty little camera! Beats clipping a monstrosity haphazardly to the top of your LCD (yes I am aware some PC laptops have it, but the majority of casual user-level laptops still do not)
B) It's so small and simple! I have a Toshiba laptop at home, and even though it technically is about the same size as a MacBook Pro, it doesn't feel that way. When I handle a MacBook Pro, it feels smaller, it feels lighter, it feels overall easier to work with. Why? Because it's a fucking rectangle, whereas my Toshiba has plastic flap, hinges, plugs, trims, and other needless protrusions that make it look like a bad prop from a B-sci-fi movie.
C) It's not tacky. Some manufacturers have taken this hint. I'm rather a fan of Dell's new case designs, but a lot of manufacturers (Toshiba, I'm looking at you... or hell, the high-end Dells still have a lesson to learn) are still working under the whole tackiness routine. No, we don't need any fricking chrome trim. No, we don't need an LED on the front showing me EVERY POSSIBLE THING THE MACHINE IS DOING, etc etc. A lot of users are just dying for something simple, and Mac gives you that.
D) The hardware simply works better. To remove the battery from a MacBook I just turn this little knob, and the battery pops out. To remove said battery from my Toshiba I have to flip this little plastic switch on the bottom (which feels very flimsy btw), and then pull this other switch thingy to release the clamp, and ALSO I have to pull on the battery at the same time. Is it especially difficult? No, but the Mac experience is infinitely better. It's the little things about the hardware that counts: I can check my battery life without turning on the machine, there's no lid latch to break, there's no power cord to kill your motherboard with (it does happen a LOT, I know many people who ripped the power connector assembly right from the mobo just by tripping over the power cord), I don't have to pay an arm and leg to get bluetooth... need I continue?
E) MacOS. The average schmoe is sick and tired of being thrown jargon by Windows. They cope with it, but feel more at home in the more intuitive aspects of OSX. Everything works out of the box, and the UI is never cluttered with inane BS (Windows Media Player, step up). For a personal average user, he/she does not have to install ANYTHING to do the things he/she does everyday (except the office suite, which doesn't come with a Mac). Dialogs are verbed and more understandable, each button's purpose and actions are clearly communicated (do you really know what the "OK" button does in Windows?), so it's all quite simple to understand in comparison to Windows' bloated interface. Hell, I know average non-techies who figured out how to change their resolution in MacOS, when they didn't have a clue how to do it in Windows.
Users are not interested in paying for hardware, then software, then more software. The average user wants a full solution that works right from the get-go. They want to use hardware that they barely have to learn, and OS that looks as good as it runs (WinXP's default theme gives me nightmares), and the hip factor helps too ;) Once you roll the "experience" factor in, I would say most Macs are in fact not overpriced. (no defence for the MacBook Pros, they are still quite expensive)
Apple's stock price seems to be more volatile than Dell, HP/Compaq, etc. Every five minutes there's some "expert" saying Apple is "dying", "going to be sold to ____(Sun, M$, Chucky Cheese, etc.)", "has a virus...no wait, we mean trojan(it doesn't work yet...and you need to enter your password when it does)" and traders freak. Right now, Apple's in limbo with the anticipated switch in the Pro machines to Woodcrest chips, as well as M$'s "ipod-killer", and Apple's supposed inability to get a Video iPod, which hasn't even been announced yet, on shelves by the "important Back-to-School season".
As we've seen with crude oil prices, there is a lot of "feeling" in stock prices that isn't directly tied to real company value/profits.
As of this morning, Apple was at $52B to Dell's $50B. Right now, Dells down to $43B. Dell should sell off the company's assets and divide the proceeds amongst shareholders ;)
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Retail does NOT include corporate or contract sales.
12% of Retail sales is impressive, but Apple also had the advantage of all new products.
Lets see what it looks like this time next year.
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You know...I feel bad for those in those conditions, but, if it weren't Apple they were working for, it would be for someone else. The 'sweat' isn't going to go away...if no one employed them...they'd have no money coming in and NO jobs...
Would that actually be better? If we all just stopped buying products that were made it places like this...I doubt that would spawn better working conditions...actually probably worse, since they would have no source of income...
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I think consumers are waiting out the iPod upgrade cycle and that has an impact. The market is fairly saturated as you note and there has not been a real upgrade in something like 18 months.
If they ever get a true 6G iPod out the door (and not the 5.5G that is being talked about) I think the market will respond favorably as there is a lot of pent up demand.
Did you read the article? iPod sales are up 32 percent year over year with sales of 8.1 million for the quarter. If there's "pent-up demand" there, then I can't wait to see what happens when the 6G actually is released.
The moral of the story is people keep buying iPods, and the pace continues to accelerate. There is no slowdown, despite what everybody seems to predict every single quarter. I think it's time people finally realize there really is no meaningful competition for Apple in music players and there never will be. (And yes, I've heard of the Zune.) It's going to take a paradigm shift in the way people listen to music to dislodge the iPod, but the current war is already won.
The more jobs that go overseas to low-wage workers...
The less people over there that are unemployed...
The more demand there are for workers there...
The more those workers are payed.
Economics like this actually works. I was reading recently in Time or Newsweek that India is outsourcing some of the jobs that have been outsourced to them. Indian jobs are moving to China and Vietnam because the demand for workers in India has increased the wages there.
-mrxak
Onions Will Kill You
The more people use macs the less we'll see fewer and fewer "internet explorer" only web sites. This has been a good trend.
With firefox and the fact that most people use the web alot for everything, it makes a transition from windows to linux on the desktop easier.
Linux for the Macbook is fairly easy if you are distribution agnostic.
It is drop dead easy if you use the Mactel-Linux Ubuntu Live CD.
I haven't had many problems using OpenSuSE 10.1, but I did have to recompile my kernel at one point.
The FGLRX drivers finally work properly. They aren't as fast as their Windows or OS X counterparts, but they are fairly easy to install and get the job done. I expect significant performance improvements in the future. The X1600 256 MB (which is the Macbook Pro) graphics isn't bad at all.
The standard MacBooks come with Intel's Extreme Graphics, which suck; however, the Linux drivers are opensource and directly built into X.org (installation is drop dead easy).
Why would you consider a Dell? Get a MacBook Pro, install Linux, Windows, and OS X. It's fast, light, and easy to use. Plus, it looks good.
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And China is simultaneously experiencing rising wages and labor shortages.
I don't know why labor protectionists are determined to raise trade barriers (fair trade?), but I think it is rooted in racism.
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If Apple;s marketshare culd top out around 10%, it'd be prefect. Large enough that software developers would be hesitant to ignore the market, but small enough so Apple could keep up the pace of improving the OS's foundation rather than focusing as much on backward compatibility as Microsoft.
Or, they could innovate a way to retain backwards compatibility while still providing innovation for those who want to move forward. I'd be happy if they grabbed about 30% of the market. While Windows dropped to about the same. That would guarantee everyone competed and innovated and customers would win.
What Mr. CFO did not do, was define exactly what the bold-faced phrase in his quote actually means. I accuse him of jockying with the statistics. I suspect that the "U.S. retail notebook market" excludes Internet-direct sellers, like Dell, and probably corporate sales as well. I would imagine this is looking at only brick-and-mortar (or glass in Apples' case) retail stores.
you mean i can stop upgrading my powerbook 1400?
Nice collection of myths!
There must be an awful lot of Mac fans considering they shipped more than 4.5 million of them this quarter (and it's not a new model).
As anybody who actually goes and runs the numbers finds out, Macs are similar to Dell pricing. Sometimes a little more expensive, often a bit cheaper. Apple simply doesn't sell a bargain basement junk model that Dell will sell you if you want. Most other PC retailers are more expensive than Dell.
Macs tend to stay in operation longer than Windows machines. Macs have higher resale value than Windows machines. Doesn't sound like the entire Mac community is dumping their computers and upgrading at the drop of a hat, does it? Sure, there are some. Those would be the equivalent of the people who buy the highest end Alienware PCs.
Well, I don't know about racism. While some may have racist reasons for protectionism, I don't think the majority do. I tend to think these kinds of things are more based on a shortsightedness of the situation. Sure, jobs may go overseas, but at the same time, your cost of living has decreased because you can now get Product X cheaper. And if you really wanted that job so badly, why weren't you willing to be paid less to do it (of course that's a whole 'nother issue)? Not only that, but let the living standards increase in other countries, and they'll be able to afford to buy all of our luxuries Made in the USA. And if somebody can do it better than us, well then we'll just have all the more reason to apply some American creativity to do it cheaper, better, or faster. Protectionism is actually sort of the reverse of racism, because if you support protectionism, you're actually saying that your country is weak and useless without help.
-mrxak
Onions Will Kill You
A) The MacBook has a nifty little camera! Beats clipping a monstrosity haphazardly to the top of your LCD (yes I am aware some PC laptops have it, but the majority of casual user-level laptops still do not)
If you do work for Apple, could you do me a favor and suggest making a camera-less MacBook a BTO option?
Apple lost one potential sale-- me. My place of employment does not allow cameras of any sort on the premises.
I think a lot of the problem is that corporations are using offshoring as a way to dodge the worker and environmental protections we have in the US and Europe.
There is no such thing as a comparably equipped PC! And there never will be until you get Mac OS running on a PC.
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I recently bought my first Mac, a 2.0 Ghz MacBook. I've admired OS X from afar and during visits to the nearest Apple retail store for a couple of years, but I finally took the plunge. Why'd I finally do it? 1) Intel chips are fast enough that a Mac is performance/price competitive 2) I can dual boot to Windows or run Parallels Desktop if I want to 3) I'm sick of Microsoft's B.S.
So now that I've logged some time on a Mac, doing the types of things I used to do on my windows box, I can honestly say it was worth every penny of the "premium" to own an Apple machine vs. a Dell/HP/Compaq. The hardware is beautifully designed, the included software is actually USEFUL, and OS X is to die for (a geek's dream come true).
While I'm head and shoulders above the "average computer user" (read: drooling moron), I'm a fairly typical Slashdot reader. If the Mac lineup is compelling enough to make me switch, there has to be hundreds of people reading this that are thinking of switching too. My advice... do it, you won't be sorry.
"The average user wants a full solution that works right from the get-go."
- Umm...yeah. Don't blame Microsoft. Everytime Microsoft tries to do this, someone sues them for Monopolizing.
Once you roll the "experience" factor in, I would say most Macs are in fact not overpriced. (no defence for the MacBook Pros, they are still quite expensive)
The real issue with Mac Pricing, is the "premium" on the premium versions. Frankly I think the base MacBook and MacBook pro aren't too badly priced. But the jumps for the models up, and lack of customization is baffling.
e.g. I'd like a base macbook with a superdrive, except that I can't. Superdrive is not an option on the base. So I have to move up to the middle model. $200 bucks to move from a combo drive to a superdrive? (Sure it comes with a slight cpu bump, but I don't care about that.)
and the next model up from that? Another $200 for what? 20 mor GB of HD! Ridiculous!! (Oh and its black plastic)
Worse, I'd like to potentially run parallels on it, and would like to start with 1GB of ram on one chip, so that I can upgrade to 2GB down the road easily. Nope can't do it. I have to shell out $500 bucks for 2GB RAM. (Which is itself ridiculous for RAM)
Why isn't 1GB of RAM on one chip an option? (It is with the MacBook Pros, using the same CPUs!!)
Ditto the HD upgrades... $250 for 120GB to upgrade from a $60. That is again, ridiculous. You can get a 60 for ~110, and 120 for around ~200. So the upgrade should cost around ~100, why am I being asked to fork out $250?
The base model at 1100 is pretty decent, but to put in the big HD, 2GB of ram, and a superdrive will run another:
$500 to upgrade to 2GB RAM
$250 to upgrade to 120GB HD
$2oo to upgrade to model with Superdrive
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$950 bucks
That's easily double what those upgrades are worth.
Probably, but having been a long-time Windows user, I can conclude without any shadow of a doubt that he's 100% correct. I'm in the process of making the switch, and I'm much better off for doing so. The only reasons I haven't switched completely is that a) Samsung doesn't have OSX drivers for my printer (and as it's a discontinued model, it's not going to happen) and b) I've sunk probably $4000 into my PC in hardware and watercooling, not to mention countless hours of backbreaking labor in modding the thing to death. And I want a new printer anyways.
Except for that damned printer, I just plug stuff in and it works, and the software is logical and everything that I'd need as a typical user, save the office suite, was preinstalled (and I was able to find MAMP and a syntax-highlighting text editor in about ten minutes for my web design work). And unlike the preinstalled shitware you'll find on most Windows machines, the couple pieces of non-Apple designed software included are surprisingly useful, if only to play around with (Comic Life is quite a bit of fun, and I actually managed to use it for a school project). I'm rather sick of overly-protected software installs that go to some random place in the start menu and have three-deep folders full of random crap that I'll never touch. Double-click or drag to applications, and I'm done, and that's the only thing I see or ever need to worry about.
How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
Well, in the case of Mexico, we actively work to fuck up their politics so that they never recover, and we can keep exploiting them.
But the most significant aspect in many cases is pollution. A big part of the cost savings is that these companies can go someplace they can pollute all they want. When the country becomes more wealthy and the laws change, they pull out, sell most of their equipment for scrap and ship it out of the country so no one can use it, and leave behind a big dirty smoking hole full of pollutants.
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Apple only sell matched memory in the MacBooks because of the integrated graphics. It (apparently) makes a fairly big performance difference. They recommend it for future upgrades as well: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303 721
. Obviously that doesn't affect the MacBook Pros.That Dell has an X1600? And OS X? And all the niceties of Apple's design? And the same quality display? And keyboard? And I'd like it just as much? And it'll hold its value just as well for when I want to sell it in two years? And it has the same quality support? And I can just take it down to the local Dell store two blocks away if it breaks (yeah right)?
What is the point of all these comparisons? There are so many variables that such things are completely useless. You don't compare a BMW and a Chevy on horsepower, torque, size, and weight alone. I'm not making any value judgments here -- the Dell can be the BMW for all I care -- But my point is there are dozens of issues to make comparisons on, not just the four or five biggest numbers.
Ironically, I bought my MacBook because I was tired of dealing with crappy WinTel hardware, with the most recent problem being ... it randomly turned off. Sigh.
It didn't cross your mind to do a little Command-S, anywhere during that 12 hours? Jesus. Tell me you aren't a pilot or a doctor.
Maintenance:
The above easily makes up the price difference.
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
Gigabit Ethernet and optical digital audio in and out are commonplace on the Macs of the past few years. I work in two different studios and both have Gigabit networks. My PowerBook G4 from 2001 has Gigabit Ethernet. In the Mac market, making and moving 100+ GB files is an every day all day thing for many years now.
The audio ins and outs that Apple uses on its computers and on things like the AirPort Express base station are combination analog/digital jacks. Apple standardized on these a while back so that they could give the user both analog and digital audio in and out in two small jacks. It is a great solution for the whole platform because third-party music and audio gear can do a lot with a stock Mac without requiring the user to jump through hoops. Podcasting is just one example of an application that makes good audio in and out much more valuable to the average home or business user outside of a music and audio context. Recording vinyl LP's into iTunes is another application where many users will appreciate their MacBook's excellent sound capabilities.
Apple makes sure the user has a complete set of tools so that no matter who they are or what they do they can INCREASE their capabilities. People always do stuff with their Macs that they didn't think they were going to do when they bought them.