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When Doing PR For Anti-Spam Firm... Don't Spam

netbuzz writes "Rule #1 when doing PR for an antispam vendor: Don't spam. This isn't exactly brain surgery, yet the fellow at a PR agency called Rocket Science managed to violate Rule #1 while attempting to drum up publicity for Singlefin, which provides e-mail, IM and Web filtering services to the likes of Juno and NetZero. He also violated Rules #2 and #3." Given the hundreds of press releases I get in my inbox on a weekly basis, PR folks in general need to learn that lesson regardless of their clients.

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  1. Funny someone notices this PR by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just slam-dunk this all into the bit bin and hit empty.

    I'm particularly amused by sp4m which includes [%TO_ADDRESS]

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  2. Re:fr0st pist? - nt - DOTA RULEZ! by Intron · · Score: 2, Funny

    Parent seems to be on topic -- its spam!

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  3. Perfect Marketing by PylonHead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually if you have an anti-spam product, then advertising it by spamming is the perfect strategy.

    You'll only reach the customers that need your product.

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    1. Re:Perfect Marketing by 2names · · Score: 4, Funny

      So by that rationale, if I am a personal injury attorney I should start ramming my car into random vehicles?

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    2. Re:Perfect Marketing by andrewman327 · · Score: 5, Funny
      "So by that rationale, if I am a personal injury attorney I should start ramming my car into random vehicles?"


      If you are a personal injury lawyer, please drive said car off of a cliff.

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    3. Re:Perfect Marketing by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Funny

      More appropriately, you should advertise by putting your bumper sticker on the backs of cars whose brakes you have rigged to randomly lock up while at high speed. Hmm, i should have gone into marketing!

    4. Re:Perfect Marketing by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think Network World's complaint is completely overblown. They guy sent 11 messages to various writers at a publication that is completely on-target.
      OK, maybe he could have done some research as to whom at that publication might write about their product, but heck, it's completely related to their business.

      And 11 messages is completely different than sending out 4.8 million ads for V1agrka.

      FWIW, I read about Singlefin.com some time ago, I signed up (free, forever, up to 10 mailboxes) to test it for clients, (but never did).

      One thing interesting: On signing up on their site, I clicked submit for my registration, and almost immediately the phone rang. Allan from Singlefin. I have to say they are right on top of their business, and even though I haven't yet tried it I think it's very nice of them offering free service for a small number of mailboxes. The way it works is you redirect your MX to them, they filter the mail and send it on to your mailserver. Pretty nice. If you have the guts to let someone else be your MX, that is.

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    5. Re:Perfect Marketing by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative
      They [sic] guy sent 11 messages to various writers at a publication that is completely on-target.
      Yea, you said the same thing on the blog over there.
      FTFA:
      In this instance, however, the mass mailing was readily apparent to all because the "To:" field of the e-mail was populated by 116 clearly visible names -- our 11 staffers, the three exes, and 102 other journalists.

      And if that wasn't enough to convince every targeted scribe that he or she was getting a less-than-exclusive interview opportunity, there was this personalized method of address:

      "Hello [RecipientFirstName]:"
      So, PR n00b sent this e-mail to every address he could scrape off their website (whether it was related to anti-spamming or not), then couldn't be bothered to properly personalize the vaguely targeted e-mails.

      So, aside from the fact that 116 messages were actually sent out, at least some of the people at NWW received unsolicited and unwanted e-mail (aka spam).

      I'm not sure why you're making excuses for teh n00blet PR guy, but your reasoning only stands up if someone hasn't actually RTFA.
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  4. Hello [RecipientFirstName], by OakDragon · · Score: 3, Funny
    Tired of getting mail like this? If so, please visit [WebsiteURL] and try a 30 day free trial of [CompanyProduct]!

    To be removed from our list, please send your credit card number to [AdminEmail]

    Rocket Science?! Oh, the ironing is delicious...

    1. Re:Hello [RecipientFirstName], by SnowDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Oh, the ironing is delicious..."

      Got Starch?

    2. Re:Hello [RecipientFirstName], by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  5. Who needs fiction? by GundamFan · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's great... now the queston is; if you are already a customer would the product block this mail and if so is that blackmail?

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  6. Screw ups by linvir · · Score: 5, Informative

    By the looks of things, only 116 actual mails were sent. In fact... the whole thing is actually just a big chain of fuckups.

      1. Someone at Rocket Science somehow didn't know who they were meant to email, so they just sent it to all the addresses they could find.
      2. They didn't think to BCC, so all the To: addresses were visible.
      3. Obviously, with a big single mail like this, they couldn't address it properly
      4. They forgot to stroke the ego of the nobody editor of some website
    1. Mr. Egomaniac Editor then wrote a very sensationalised blog entry about the incident, incorrectly referring to it as 'spam'.
    2. And submitted it to Slashdot
    3. Taco accepted the submission

    When will someone step up and be the hero in this story?

    1. Re:Screw ups by wayne · · Score: 2, Informative
      By the looks of things, only 116 actual mails were sent.

      Not quite. It appears that *at least* 116 people were sent the email, quite possibly more since the journalist's name wasn't one of those 116 people.

      The most widely accepted definition of spam is "Unsolicited Bulk Email". I'm not sure that this particular email is really unsolicited since it appears to have been sent to a reporter in an area closely related to the subject matter of the PR. Bulk, however, has to be defined as anything over 1. If you put any hard cut off, of, say 100 or 1000 emails, then spammers will simply send 99 or 999 emails.

      The *penalties* that ISPs (and others) should place on sending of unsolicited bulk email should take into account the actual volume. This is just like stealing a penny is wrong and still stealing, but you will get into a lot less trouble than if you steal a thousands of dollars.

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    2. Re:Screw ups by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If the guy was some "nobody editor" then why was his email on the list in the first place?

      Pls read TFA - the "nobody editor" was bitching because his name WASN'T on the list of people it was emailed to.

      All of which I might have let slide without remark if not for this final indignity: Nowhere among those 11 Network World addressees, three former employees, and 102 other journalists could I find the name that matters most: mine.

      So he's bitching because ... wait for it ... he wasn't spammed!

      This has got to be the WTF for the day!

    3. Re:Screw ups by merc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someone at Rocket Science somehow didn't know who they were meant to email, so they just sent it to all the addresses they could find....Mr. Egomaniac Editor then wrote a very sensationalised blog entry about the incident, incorrectly referring to it as 'spam'.

      Spam (or UCE/UBE--Unsolicited Commercial/Bulk Email) is typically defined as email which is unsolicited in nature. From what you said it sounds as though RS harvested all of the addresses "they could find". It certainly doesn't sound as though they were writing to a list of those who subscribed to receive information from them. If that's true then it wasn't incorrect to refer to it as spam, in fact it matches the definition right on.

      I've noticed that spammers always like to infer that spamming is something "the other guy does", never are they actually guilty of spam since they've managed to rationalize it one way or another. As far as my network and systems go (since they are my personal property), it's about consent.

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    4. Re:Screw ups by mooingyak · · Score: 4, Funny

      5. linvir got on /. and flamed everyone, showing what a big sexy stud he is

      Seriously.

      Try and tell me with a straight face that you don't want to do him RIGHT NOW.

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  7. Not Really Spam by Roody+Blashes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I expected to see an article about a mass-mailing campaign to advertise the firm, but this is just some dope shooting emails randomly at this blogger's company rather than specifically targetting the relevant person.

    It's not nearly as bad as the heading and write-up sound. Far from normal connotations of spamming, this falls more under the category of "stupid".

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  8. Second Rule? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is the second rule "you DO NOT talk about spam"?
    I don't see how that would work considering they need to advertise an anti-spam product.

  9. Is that spam? by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Given the hundreds of press releases I get in my inbox on a weekly basis, PR folks in general need to learn that lesson regardless of their clients.


    Which inbox... your personal or your business one? Your personal one shouldn't get any PR material. But your business one... well, that's just how the world works. Businesses will get mail targeted for what they are doing. That at least is relevant. I have a tad bit more patience for relevant advertising mail than for "be$t CIA1is softabs!" and Rolex replicas.

    Press Releases aren't, they're just tedious. And everyone writes them. Even OSDN and OSTG. And considering you are a news source, consider it a blessing that you get press releases; it confirms your relevance. Plus, every once in a while, you'll find one that's actually interesting.

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  10. *hangs head* by blinder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    while i do not work in pr, my degree *clears throat* is in public relations... and if there's one thing our school taught is... learn to question your bosses/managers/clients. i mean, to be an effective pr person, you have to be able to ask questions like "well, gee, sending a spam might not be the best for our reputation."

    now, in the case of this particular story -- the pr person who prepared this is just, i believe, a moron. the other thing we were taught in pr is that every news organization has something akin to a "wall of shame." these are places where stupid/poorly written/misdirected/etc. releases get posted for all (in the newsroom) to laugh at. this fact is always a motivator for a pr person to get it right (at least one who wants to do a good job).

    included with this is the knowledge that just about every journalst/editor you come across will, of course, have a superior attitude (which i always found funny - because without pr people, journalists would either not get a story or have to do a significant amount of leg work to get it, and well, journalists, also, by and large, are lazy.)

    so, with all that in mind, every release has a lot riding on it, and an effective pr person knows this and just doesn't do a half-assed cluster-fuck of a job in writing or distributing releases. pr people are targets. easy targets. highly mis-understood targets, and therefor its up to the pr people to make damn sure they don't make it any easier.

  11. Astroturfing, too by jfengel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The submitter is "buzz@nww.com"; the article is at networkworld.com. Of course nww.com is just an alias for networkworld.com. I couldn't immediately tell if buzz == Paul McNamara, but it's at least astroturfing for the site.

    1. Re:Astroturfing, too by tomhudson · · Score: 2

      Yes, its the same guy:

      When not blogging, I am a Network World news editor and write the 'Net Buzz column

      Its also definitely astroturfing, because he admits he wasn't spammed, and that what really pissed him off was that he wasn't included ...

      All of which I might have let slide without remark if not for this final indignity: Nowhere among those 11 Network World addressees, three former employees, and 102 other journalists could I find the name that matters most: mine.

      I think his theory goes something like this:

      1. make fool of self in blog by bitching about NOT being included in the people being spammed ...
      2. post/astroturf it under a separate account to slashdot ...
      3. ???

      Pointed this all in this comment on the original blog ... lets see how long it stays there before buzz" deletes it.

  12. Keep the Rocket Science jokes coming by hellfire · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've got a counter of how many times someone says the following:

    "Geez, how could this guy fuck up a PR email? It isn't Rocket Science."

    Maybe we can get to 50 by lunch.

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  13. It wasn't a screwup - quite the contrary ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wan't a failure. Remember - "The only thinkg worse than bad publicity is NO publicity."

    Look at it this way - with 116 emails, the guy has gotten his story onto slashdot as a front-page article. So, who are the 116 people I have to email to get the same treatment?

  14. Re:Snore... by Ant+P. · · Score: 2

    This is also a blog. Don't mess with the bloggers; they'll fsck you up.

  15. Meh. by machine+of+god · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would never have heard of these people. Now I have heard of them.

  16. bad PR by dR.fuZZo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd think one of the most important things for a PR firm to do would be to understand who it is they're representing, and what ideals and values the company wants to represent. I mean, come on, this isn't exactly... oh. Nevermind.

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    1. Re:bad PR by BCW2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Remember, most PR folks have degrees in marketing. I started to get a marketing degree myself, then I realized I wasn't qualified, I have a conscience!
        Marketing - the art of persuading as many people as possible to pay way to much for things they don't need! Normally done by a dumbass (in this case for sure) to a thundering herd of dumbass.

      By the way Gates is a marketing genius.

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  17. Bricks Through Your Window? by twbell · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember the Far Side cartoon where the fellow picks up a brick that has been chucked into his front room with the message: "Bricks through your window? Call Al's Glass...."?

  18. Ever hear of Bigfoot.com? by kopo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I tried using their email forwarding service about a year and a half ago, and then cancelled my account. Since then, I've been getting "Bigfoot Anti-Spam" newsletters and other random ads from them on my cell phone (and I get to pay for the messages!). Their customer service did absolutely nothing when I emailed them.

    Oh, and the messages come from randomly generated @news.bigfoot.com addresses, so there's no way to block them with my cell service provider (which only blocks specific addresses). Hmm, could this be... SPAM?