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Nintendo's Next-Gen Arsenal

Much of the coverage of the next-gen skirmish so far has focused on Sony and Microsoft. The already-impressive Xbox Live vs. the PS3. Just the same, for the first time in many years Nintendo is definitely in the running for top spot. About.com has a piece looking at what the big N is bringing to the next-gen party this November. From the article: "While Nintendo is trend setting with controllers like the Wiimote and, to a lesser extent, the nunchaku dongle, other companies will be following along. Nintendo's game plan from the genesis of the Wii has been touch and gamer-friendly games. They see the future of gaming in the Wiimote. Everyone else, at this point, seems to be just catching up."

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  1. about.com by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  2. Lets get this over with by DeadMilkman · · Score: 4, Funny

    *OMG* another "All hail Nintendo" brought to you by Zonk!

    *OMG* Who wants to play with their wii?

    *OMG* Ponies!, Nintendo iz 4 kidz!
    (I want blood, boobs, and blunts. I wanna be a (rated M for mature) HARDCORE gamer!)

    Did I forget any?

  3. What it needs the most is... by Data+Link+Layer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A good online service comparable to xbox360s live. Imagine super smash brawl with unlimited online oppentens, tournaments galore, and updated content. I play smash bros. melee still but only for the multiplayer. With a quality online feature nintendo will surely take the lead in sales with the next generation consoles.

    1. Re:What it needs the most is... by joe+155 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would think that the service will be pretty good, the service for the DS is very good (although I wish it would be faster at finding opponents). I also think that the download of games will be a really big selling point, getting old classic games for about £2 would mean that for a party I could get about 5 of the classic fun multiplayer games (inc. Goldeneye and Super Smash Brothers, of course)

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    2. Re:What it needs the most is... by WFFS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but something that attracts all walks of life. You got games that the little kiddies can actually play (I'm sure I'd buy my daughter a game that would allow her to point the Wii and pop balloons!), games for the regular generation of gamers, games for people like me who grew up with the original NES, games that Baby Boomers can play with their kids, and games that allow the more senior members actually participate without too much problem. Sony and Micrsoft have stuck with the 'bigger is better' mentality, whereas Nintendo have stuck with their roots. Good on 'em.

    3. Re:What it needs the most is... by mattmacf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Meh, I know Nintendo is doing something in the online venue (old downloadable Nintendo emulators and whatnot), but personally, I don't see the fun in playing SSB Brawl online. The past two semesters, I played an ungodly amount of the original SSB (the vintage 64 version), but I doubt it would've been half as fun had it been done online. Personally, half the fun in playing games like that is the trash talk that goes back and forth, the periodic cig breaks between marathon free for all sessions, and the atmosphere of having four guys crammed on a dorm room couch (all conveniently within arms reach, should a dispute need to be settled properly). Honestly, I think a significant part of the experience would be lost in online play. Not to mention the fact that the SSB franchise is the only (AFAIK) worthwhile multiplayer game that doesn't require split-screen goodness. Sure, a game of Halo across the campus LAN can be fun, but even those rarely go more than a few rooms away, and generally teams are kept within the same room. I'm sure Nintendo will have a decent online system this time around (they certainly got it right with the DS), but it won't be the reason I get a Wii.

      Online will (and should) be icing on the cake, but it certainly isn't a selling point (at least for me). It might benefit a couple of games here and there, but at least for the ones I'm keenly interested in (Zelda, Metroid, and maybe a new Mario Tennis with the controller?!?) don't require an online aspect at all.

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  4. It all seemed so elegant... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    with the Wii design, the wii colors, and the wiimote............right up until I hit nunchaku dongle.

    It reminds me of when someone is speaking french and then says an english proper name. For a split second the wheels fall right off.

    1. Re:It all seemed so elegant... by uberjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then I suggest we start a new moniker. You heard it here first folks, I Uberjoe, hereby dub the nunchaku dongle. . .The Wii-chaku.

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  5. The nunchaku dongle is said to be the first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...copy protection system that can hit you in the balls.

  6. Nintendo's Strength by WFFS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the strength of Nintendo, is that while the PS and XBox have continued along their paths of getting better machinery to make games faster and look more realistic, Nintendo have veered to the left slightly and concentrated on making the gaming experience better. Of course there are some weaknesses as well, but time will tell if this will be a money making strategy. I personally think that both camps will live in harmony for the near future, though the PS and XBox's prices are hard hitters. Thank goodness the PS2 will be supported for the next 5 years. The only things I could improve for the Wii, is to have a built in DVD player, and to get Final Fantasy back on their system. Without those, I actually have to think before I put down my $50 deposit!

    1. Re:Nintendo's Strength by Manmademan · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think the strength of Nintendo, is that while the PS and XBox have continued along their paths of getting better machinery to make games faster and look more realistic, Nintendo have veered to the left slightly and concentrated on making the gaming experience better.

      The issue with this assertion is that "better" is HIGHLY subjective. To fans of hyper detailed, high physics games that do NOT lend themselves well to using the wii remote as a controller, (say, for instance, something like the next iteration of virtua fighter) what Nintendo is doing may not be making their gaming experience better at all.

      What nintendo IS doing is using the wii controller to try to exploit an untapped demographic- the much older, much younger, or simply has less time casual gamer that has already decided they don't enjoy "traditional" videogames, but might be drawn in (or in some cases BACK in) by the different approach the Wii uses, much like what has happened with the Nintendo DS.

  7. I hope this works... by ItMustBeEsoteric · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Because I'm sick of liking a keyboard and mouse more than any controller available. Does anyone else here feel the same? I'd bet you do. Now think about how ridiculous that is. Sure, we use the keyboard and mouse more often, but they (mostly) weren't designed for gaming. Yet my Apple keyboard and Microsoft trackball are better than any controller I've tried.

    Design issues, much? I hated Halo on the XBox. Really, really hated. On PC...god, what a difference.

    I also remember the thrill that was Duckhunt back in the day--Nintendo gave me my personal first experience of an alternative gaming controller. I really hope that they can make it that...well, awesome for me again. And that I can shoot the damned dog this time.

    1. Re:I hope this works... by mrxak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I simply refuse to play any sort of FPS on a console. I need my keyboard and mouse. And so many other games that I like to play just don't translate at all to consoles. Can you imagine Civ IV on an Xbox?

  8. Their great experiment by andrewman327 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am very glad to see Nintendo willing to experiement with the ways that gamers interface with their devices. Although there have been many different devices made (microphone, DDR mat, Duck Hunt gun, etc.) the latest evolution of the standard controller has maintained hegemony. I wonder what users will think of these new interfaces. They might love them or feel odd because of the change from what they know. Since the big N is (generally) targeting a younger audience, the user base may not be as set in its ways and a new generation of gamers might grow up not as entrenched in the gamepad paradigm of device interaction.

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  9. Re:Sony v Microsoft? by syrinx · · Score: 5, Funny

    You must read a different Slashdot than I do. The one I read goes from "M$ is evil!" to "OMG XBOX IS SO SHINY" so fast and so often it gives me whiplash.

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  10. Wii has easily gotten the most, and best, press by ianscot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aside from last holiday season's hype, the X-Box has been a back burner item for the press. Sony's PR has been almost uniformly poorly received.

    Meanwhile outlets like slashdot have been talking up the Wii for months and months. It's not like we didn't have items posted on /. just for the name switch from Revolution to Wii, you know? Hotly debated at the time, too. People are paying tons of attention.

    Where'd the idea that Nintendo's been all but ignored come from? Lordy. How'd this "Did you know Nintendo has a new console too?" story get accepted?

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  11. Backward Compatible with NES? by Stringer+Bell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a gamer back when the NES was in its heyday. Then the SNES came out with controllers that had a hundred and dickety-two buttons, and suddenly I turned into Grandpa Simpson overnight.

    I heard a rumor that Wii was going to support original NES games. If true, this could lead me to buy my first console since I was in high school. Unfortunately, the official Wii site doesn't address this at all. That's probably a bad sign, but still I hold out hope. Has anyone else heard this, or can anyone else corroborate the story?

    1. Re:Backward Compatible with NES? by PacoHernandez · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the official Nintendo Wii Website:

      Virtual Console: Wii will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES). The Virtual Console also will feature a "best of" selection from Sega Genesis titles and games from the TurboGrafx console (a system jointly developed by NEC and Hudson). It also will be home to new games conceived by indie developers whose creativity is larger than their budgets.

    2. Re:Backward Compatible with NES? by Oopsz · · Score: 3, Informative

      rtfa?

      Yes, the wii will let you play NES games. but you can't plug in your old carts-- you have to buy them from nintendo using the "Virtual console" service. Prices haven't been announced, but I think NES games will be in the sub-$5 range, SNES games sub-$10 and N64 games sub-$20. They're a little high compared to free roms, but if they release in that range I'll probably end up buying my entire collection over again.. over 60 NES games and 30 SNES gams :P

    3. Re:Backward Compatible with NES? by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It may sound ridiculous, but the reason that the PS2's backwards compatibility was so good was because Sony actually built a miniaturized version of the PS1 hardware into the PS2. The PS2 firmware would simply run PS1 games off of that hardware when the time came.

      Not ridiculous at all - I am familiar with this technique (the sound controller chip in the PS2 is a PS1, basically).

      There is reason to be concerned when it comes to the PS3. There is no indication that Sony is taking the same approach with regards to minaturized PS1/PS2 architectures inside the PS3. This would leave any backwards compatibility to be handled in software- just like the XBox360. And as we've seen, that hasn't been very complete or very robust.

      Well to be fair, 'no indication' literally means we have no idea one way or the other; they simply haven't said.

      What we do know is that the PS2 has been miniaturized to a single chip quite some time ago (I believe the ill-fated "PSX" DVR mutant they released in Japan used this, as well as the 'slim' PS2). But even if they go the software route, we always have firmware updates to look forward to... weee.

      Xbox360 had a bit of a unique problem in that they were not just changing chip architectures radically but also going to multiproc. You could say the same thing about PS3. It is this reason, and the single-chip approach mentioned above, that makes me think they'll go with a hybrid; an updateable (EPROM-like) hardware emulation that can be patched to iron out compatibility wrinkles. Microsoft actually *ported* those Xbox games; I really doubt Sony will go to that trouble. Thanks for the reply.

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  12. Nintendo only for kids? by kayakun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm so glad to see Nintendo doing something innovative and getting back in the game. I was raised on NES, SNES, and N64, but hated what Nintendo did with the Gamecube. A lot of gamers my age (college-aged) complain that Nintendo is only for kids and doesn't have the hardcore gaming that they look for. Now I don't enjoy the really kiddie games, but I love how creative Nintendo's games can be. Sure, you can have all sorts of realistic high-end FPS, even some with twists (like Prey), but after years of playing those games, it's fun to play something where you run around jumping on walking mushrooms or ride a dinosaur that has a tongue like a chameleon. Sony has a lot of fantasy games, but they don't appeal to me as much as the Nintendo games did.

    I just hope that with the Wii, I can get creative, quirky-as-hell games that are actually challenging and entertaining. I think the Wii-mote will open up tons of doors for some very interesting games. Hopefully developpers pull it off.

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    With such a cheap price-tag on the Wii, I'd rather get a Wii and Xbox than spend that combined money to get a PS3.

  13. Anatomy of a troll by timster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So mods, for those of you just joining us, the post above is a good example of what's called a "troll". It can be difficult to determine, but here are some signs:

    1. The same message has been posted repeatedly on Wii-related threads. Takes some close reading to catch something like that, but be aware of that eerie familiar feeling.

    2. The message makes claims that are rather unlikely: "one of my friends is currently working on a Wii game"... suuuure. As the system hasn't been released, relatively few teams currently working on games for it, and most of them are in Japan (so they wouldn't have been working on a 360 game before).

    3. The post has a flaw in its internal logic. Game developers in general don't have much access to unreleased games other than the ones they are actually working on. A controller, no matter how fantastic, isn't a lot of fun by itself. It's not surprising that the supposed friend would be bored with playing his own game or swinging the controller around in a devkit demo.

    Anyway, thanks for moderating and good luck.

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  14. Re:The big N not getting much coverage, eh? by rcastro0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Guess who wins?

    Spoiler Alert: Answers posted below
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    PS3: 389 appearances on a Slashdot title
    XBOX 360: 334 appearances
    Wii (or Nintendor Revolution): 70 appearances

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  15. Zelda at launch? A first time for everything. by kinglink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If anything is going to spur the wii on to huge numbers it's Zelda.

    Now before you say "what about Mario" Mario is always coming. People bought the Gamecube for Mario, and got Sunshine, and people were happy. You got Luigi's mansion at the begining though and people weren't doing backflips celebrating that game.

    But Zelda at launch is going to be interesting. This Zelda has definatly been under development longer, better graphics, and new controls, and lack of cell-shaded graphics I hope. It's going to push the system I believe, coupled with a Metroid Prime (which is good but remember Metroid Prime has ONLY been played by Gamecube owners and players)

    The one problem they will have with their virtual console vs. Marketplace is no achievement points (from my understanding) Is it a system killer? Nah, but it's something I wouldn't say no too.

    The most interesting thing is this is the first time Nintendo really did a cross platform game themselves, but on the other hand it does look like it has the power to really launch the system and I'm sure everyone has heard at least one person who was going to buy the Gamecube for Twilight princess, of them many probably are going to pick up a Wii for this game as it's close to the same price.

    The only problem I forsee at launch is a lack of systems which will be a sad day. Btw, at the same time the PS3 is only planning 1 million systems for a world wide launch? I've got to guess they know they should have lower expectations than they did for the Ps2.