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Is it Time for a Magnetic Floating Bed?

An anonymous reader writes "In one of the coolest implementations of ridiculously expensive tech to come along in a while, it seems that a Dutch architect has created a magnetically suspended bed. That is, if you happen to have a spare $1.54 million laying around you don't know what to do with and don't mind being careful about your piercings when getting the cat from under the bed."

133 comments

  1. Worth the money... by ET_Fleshy · · Score: 3, Funny

    considering its capabilities of advancing civilization and all.

    1. Re:Worth the money... by ET_Fleshy · · Score: 1

      Well this was a refernce to a certain alien life form from a certain movie set in space involving a computer named Hal that... Oh I just give up. --> ashamed at /.

    2. Re:Worth the money... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If by "advancing civilization" you mean providing a new and innovative place for procreation of the species, sure. Especially since a maglev bed makes no squeaks -- great for small apartments.

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    3. Re:Worth the money... by antek9 · · Score: 1

      I have four words for you: pacemakers! Pacemakers! PACEmakers! PACEMAKERS!!

      What's with this strange notion of chairs floating in space I keep getting?

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    4. Re:Worth the money... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Err... it could very well still squeak, if it's got a spring mattress.

      Of course, I'd expect a bed this expensive to use that "space-age" memory foam stuff.

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    5. Re:Worth the money... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      If the magnets are strong enough, you don't need a box frame (the usual squeaking culprit). You just need a thinnish layer of padding; the mag field will provide the rest of the support needed.

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    6. Re:Worth the money... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      In that case you would probably want a (somewhat) flexible platform, too -- a "thinnish layer of padding" on top of a rigid platform suspended on a magnetic field is no different than one resting directly on the ground. In other words, box springs exist because each separate spring can absorb different amounts of force, and there's nothing inherent in the design of this bed that replicats that.

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    7. Re:Worth the money... by andrewman327 · · Score: 0, Redundant
      "Especially since a maglev bed makes no squeaks"


      Instead it makes an electrical pulsing/humming noise that seems to get louder and louder...

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    8. Re:Worth the money... by powerlord · · Score: 1

      True, so, for the next iteration they need lots of small panels linked together (kind of like Chinese armor?) instead of one large piece. This will probably require more magnets and drive the price up ... unless some enterprising engineer decides that a bed, while technologically advanced, doesn't need to be priced like a "one of a kind" artwork.

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    9. Re:Worth the money... by flyneye · · Score: 0

      I'm sleeping on a thinnish layer of space foam on an inflatable matress.
      It blows dogs I can testify.
      For over a million clams this mag-bed better come with a mattress of expensive prostitutes.

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    10. Re:Worth the money... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The memory foam stuff is a fuck of a lot cheaper than a spring bed worth sleeping on - but mostly because you don't use it alone. My ex-bed was a 5" chunk of medium-density foam, topped with 3" of memory foam. Now I'm sleeping on a pillow-top coil mattress. It has advantages and disadvantages. The foam has great support (For me - YMMV) and is very comfortable, and hardly moves on one side when someone moves around on the other side. However, it tends to suck up water, and smells, and is hard to clean. Air moves through it very poorly. The coil bed actually breathes better, since it's not made out of foam. It releases more of the energy absorbed when you move, so it's a lot easier to screw on. However, when I cough or something, the whole bed shakes.

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  2. Kinda disappointing by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's held to its place with small metal wires, so it's not totally flying. I thought it'd be a solution against bed bugs and fleas, as they wouldn't be able to get on the bed. But no.

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    1. Re:Kinda disappointing by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now, if these had AC magnetic fields, and you got a girlfriend with magnetic nipple piercings and a steel clit ring, she'd never want to get out of bed. Not that this would be bad, mind you. Ooops. Maybe I shouldn't have typed that at work while my boss was around... I can explain, sir! Really. I'm working, not fantasizing. I was just thinking of ways to dress up that PowerPoint presentation for you.

    2. Re:Kinda disappointing by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      Hmmm nice idea. However, almost ALL commercial piercing metals are non-magnetic, such as titatanium, niobium, and um... adamantium.

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    3. Re:Kinda disappointing by corychristison · · Score: 2, Funny
      I was just thinking of ways to dress up that PowerPoint presentation for you.
      With nipple and clitoral hood piercings? ;-)
    4. Re:Kinda disappointing by OlivierB · · Score: 1

      If it's gonna keep some cables than I would much rather have these cables suspended from the ceiling (although admittedly not straight perpendicular, with some angle as it is for this one).
      I can see many advantages to this vs the magnetic bed
      a) no giant magnet to pay for
      b) no giant electricity bill
      c) no 1.2 mn Euros bill (for 5K max you'd get my version)
      d) no bed bugs making their way from the floor.

      No if they knew how to stabilise the bed without cables than I would be really impressed wnd would STFU.
      Until then, this will be for people with too much money and not enough sense.

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    5. Re:Kinda disappointing by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Adamantium as a metal? If I recall correctly, it's a rare form of unpure diamond, with the black color coming from... carbon.

      I'm not sure if what I'm thinking of isn't called adamant, though. Wikipedia has only a stub listing fictional references.

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    6. Re:Kinda disappointing by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's held to its place with small metal wires. . .

      And because it's suspended by wires from the floor to resist the magnetic force makes it totally different than if it were suspended by the same wires from the ceiling, to resist the gravitational force.

      About $1,539,900 different.

      Or you could just buy a Mayan style hammock, the most comfortable sleep in the known universe.

      KFG

    7. Re:Kinda disappointing by mrjb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. You'd expect that at this price, the designer could've come up with a way to hold the bed in place magnetically. For example by having a lining of inverse-polarity magnets around the border of the bed.

      A pizza and a bottle of coke to the first slashdotter who builds a wireless floating bed under $500.

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    8. Re:Kinda disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Obsidian?
      Actually a glass, but black, volcanic, and used as a gemstone (and historically used as blades for weapons, now used in surgical scalpels too, according to the Wikipedia).

    9. Re:Kinda disappointing by kfg · · Score: 1

      A pizza and a bottle of coke to the first slashdotter who builds a wireless floating bed under $500.

      I'm Pepsi generation with celiac disease. I'm out.

      What'll ya give me for just duplicating his effort for $500 in a damned sight less than six frickin' years?

      KFG

    10. Re:Kinda disappointing by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      I just did. I'll tell you how you can too!

      What you need:

      8 water cooler jugs
      lots of duct tape or glue.

      What to do:

      1.Empty the jugs if they aren't already empty.
      2.Seal the jug, make sure its good and tight and/or permanent by using ducttape/glue
      3.Attach the jugs to the bottom of your bed.
      4.throw your bed into a pool/lake/pond, do not throw it in a river or ocean because you may wake up in a far away land.

      And there you have it, a floating bed for about $50.00 assuming that you already have a bed and a body of water.

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    11. Re:Kinda disappointing by loraksus · · Score: 1

      Small metal wires which, if you used the right metal, could hold the bed up by themseves. Cool (magnets are much fun to play with), but ultimately worthless - unless the magnetic field could be used for "other things", such as keeping your girlfriend's legs spread because of the little bit of metal in her shoes ;) A bit pricey for BDSM gear, but then again, sex toys are never cheap ;)

      I'm actually surprised that they weren't able to anchor it using magnets alone. For 1.5 million...

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    12. Re:Kinda disappointing by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      There's a bit of difference in hardness between obsidian and, even impure, diamond.

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    13. Re:Kinda disappointing by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, I have one of these, it's called a... "Hammock"

    14. Re:Kinda disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that you're discussing piercings, we know where your mind it today, misspelling 'titanium' as 'tit-atanium'.

    15. Re:Kinda disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're thinking of Adamantine, I suppose.

    16. Re:Kinda disappointing by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      No if they knew how to stabilise the bed without cables than I would be really impressed wnd would STFU.

      I've got the answer to that, and it's stupidly easy: Instead of using a flat magnetic base, use a concave one. That way it would have opposing magnetic forces around the edges, always pushing the bed towards the center.

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    17. Re:Kinda disappointing by OlivierB · · Score: 1

      That's actually a quite smart simple idea.

      Are you sure however that there is no way in hell I could move it while jumping on the bed or else?

      I mean having a 2 ton piece of stone falling with/over you is gonna leave a mark..

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    18. Re:Kinda disappointing by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That would depend on how concave you decided to make it -- the steeper the gradient, the more force would be required to overcome it.

      By the way, I don't think the bed is actually "a 2 ton piece of stone;" it's just finished to look like it.

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    19. Re:Kinda disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Earnshaw's Theorem proves that no arrangement of motionless permanent magnets can achieve stable levitation.

      On the other hand, moving permanent magnets can levitate as demonstrated by the levitron. Also, diamagnetic materials and superconductors (which are sort of diamagnetic) can be arranged to achieve stable motionless levitation.

      It turns out that liquid nitrogen is actually relatively easy to get so if someone was willing to spend thousands of dollars on high temperature superconductors and sleep above a bunch of liquid nitrogen then they could have a real floating bed.

      It might also be possible to use a diamagnetic material like pyrolytic graphite to achieve levitation but that would require insanely strong support magnets because diamgnetic forces are so weak.

    20. Re:Kinda disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've got the answer to that, and it's stupidly easy: Instead of using a flat magnetic base, use a concave one.

      The path to enlightenment: Earnshaw's Theorem.

    21. Re:Kinda disappointing by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You mean they're non-ferromagnetic.

      Unfortunately they're all conductive so they'll heat in a changing field.

    22. Re:Kinda disappointing by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1
      You'd expect that at this price, the designer could've come up with a way to hold the bed in place magnetically.
      You'd expect that at that price, the designer could figure out how to violate the laws of physics? It is proven that stable magnetic levitation with fixed permanent magnets is impossible. Doesn't matter how many magnets you carefully position.

      You can make it stable by using electromagnets and closed-loop feedback.

    23. Re:Kinda disappointing by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Ah, I think I understand. If the force from each magnet was only in the direction the magnet was pointing, the field would be concave like the arrangment of magnets and everything would be fine. But since each magnet creates a field, the fields combine and cause the total field to be convex instead of concave.

      Right?

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    24. Re:Kinda disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really have an answer but here are some thoughts:

      A magnet in an external magnetic fields will experience both rotational and translational forces.

      To achieve levitation there needs to be a "convex" translational force. The thing is, the translational force on the magnet won't be in the direction of the field lines (either the field lines of the external magnetic field or of the magnet itself). Instead, the direction of the translational force will be in the direction of the change in magnitude (gradient of the magnitude) of the external magnetic field.

      Think of two magnets side by side oriented parallel to each other. They will either attract or repel each other depending whether they are aligned head-to-head or head-to-tail but the field lines will actually be perpendicular to the direction of translational force.

      However, Earnshaw's Theorem says that this gradient of the magnitude will always be convex.

    25. Re:Kinda disappointing by AndresCP · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you spend some of the 1.54 million dollars, on, I don't know, flea repellant?

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    26. Re:Kinda disappointing by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 1

      What if I'm an allergic millionaire?

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  3. Who is ever gonna buy it? by Klaidas · · Score: 1

    Who is ever gonna buy it? I mean, there are beds with water, there are expensive cool beds, there are beds shaped like a racing car or a plane. But how much of you sleep in this kind of bed every night?

    1. Re:Who is ever gonna buy it? by Kyeo · · Score: 1

      Kirk: (describing single life at his new apartment) And another great thing: you get your own bed! I sleep in a racing car. Do you?
      Homer: I sleep in a big bed with my wife.
      Kirk: (dejected) Oh, yeah.

  4. boring by morie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought for a moment that the sleeping person himself would be magnetically suspended.

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    1. Re:boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Surprisingly, you can do that! http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html

    2. Re:boring by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought for a moment that the sleeping person himself would be magnetically suspended.

      Make sure your multivitamin supplement has lots of iron.

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    3. Re:boring by morie · · Score: 1

      I know you should be able to with diamagnetism. However,. nobody has used it on a human as far as I know.

      Maybe thats why there is a link "why a frog". They started experimenting on some weird looking french guy. Looks a bit amphebic to me though...

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    4. Re:boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, so you get diabetes with an iron overdose. Not so fun after all.

    5. Re:boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make sure you're not a prison guard for some old guy that's in an all plastic jail cell for some reason.

  5. let me be the first to say by sepharious · · Score: 5, Funny

    No more squeaky sex!

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    1. Re:let me be the first to say by The_Chicken_205 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Come on! This is slashdot...

      Whats the likelihood of there being sex in the first place?

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    2. Re:let me be the first to say by rubberbando · · Score: 1

      No more squeaky sex?

      Why would a magnetic bed be a problem for my rubber love doll?

      Now bringing my laptop to bed to surf for pr0n while masterbating in bed would be a problem....

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    3. Re:let me be the first to say by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Unless you like it Frank Zappa style.

  6. C'mon, it's Reuters we're talking about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it's just a photoshop!

  7. It still needs bedclothes by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Funny

    From TFA:
    "with a price tag of 1.2 million euros" [...] "It is not comfortable at the moment," admits Ruijssenaars, adding "it needs cushions and bedclothes before use."


    I can see this. You buy the bed, add some bedclothes and walk to the counter.
    Cashier: "That'll be 1.2 mln euro's, plus 20 for the bed clothes"

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  8. Scary! by Nuffsaid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would be scared about lying on such a black thing. You know, one moment you are counting sheeps, one moment later everything goes trippy and you are sucked into a transhuman dimension where nothing makes sense ad you witness all your ages up to your death bed and reincarnate as a space-floating fetus. No, thanks!

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    1. Re:Scary! by way2trivial · · Score: 1

      or, end up in a really expensive dimension where you can waste all kinds of money standing around, and then puncture it, then wind up eating pornographic cakes...

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    2. Re:Scary! by ObitMan · · Score: 1

      I would be scared about lying on such a black thing.
      But you would never go Back!

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    3. Re:Scary! by HunterZ · · Score: 1

      My God, it's full of stars!

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    4. Re:Scary! by Nuffsaid · · Score: 1
      My God, it's full of stars!
      Exactly! How can you sleep over a mattress full of pointy things?
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  9. Ejection by BrynM · · Score: 4, Funny

    As someone who is hard to wake up (I love sleep when I finally remember to get some), one of my first thoughts was that it would make one hell of an alarm. Cut the power - fall to the ground. After 1 second (just before you can recover from falling), power it back up and get flung out of bed. Either you'd be wide awake or unconscious on the floor next to your ejection bed.

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    1. Re:Ejection by corychristison · · Score: 1
      ... one of my first thoughts was that it would make one hell of an alarm. Cut the power - fall to the ground.
      Just be sure there are no animals around to crawl under the bed and nap. ;-)
    2. Re:Ejection by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Either you'd be wide awake or unconscious on the floor next to your ejection bed.

      And instead of flinging you straight up, what if it slowly elevated one end? Would it then be an erection bed?

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    3. Re:Ejection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to read up on the difference between magnets and electromagnets. For instance, cutting the power only works on electromagnets.

    4. Re:Ejection by Denial93 · · Score: 1

      You'll need a new alarm system, because your laptop may experience certain compatibility problems.

      Seriously, can anyone of you physics geeks make a rough estimate of how deadly this would be to hardware? I imagine the field would have to be very strong in order to lift person, frame, bedclothes, upper set of magnets, teddy bears and hooker.

      I don't plan to spend 1,2 megadollars, but the idea is fairly basic and should be easily/cheaply copied.

    5. Re:Ejection by Beergeek0064 · · Score: 1

      Well, that and you'd want to make sure that you don't set your alarm too early lest the dreaded "Premature Ejection" occurs. :-|

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    6. Re:Ejection by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't stick my laptop under it, but the field above should be very weak and should be too bad to the sides.

      Computer hardware isn't really that sensitive. I worked in a lab where CRTs were a constant pain because they'd gauss up really fast from the mobile MR scanner upstairs. LCDs were no problem though, and the hardware had no problems at all.

      It is true that one LCD monitor didn't like being put in close proximity to the scanner though....

    7. Re:Ejection by Atario · · Score: 1

      Some days, that wouldn't be enough.

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  10. Coming next by knightmad · · Score: 0

    The magnetic Bungee Jump!

  11. Underwhelming by aschoeff · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is this news?

    Okay, so some guy with a slick-sounding name took a sheet of plywood, a whole bunch or permanent magnets, some steel cabling, and put them together. When I first heard about this over a week ago, I didn't bother to RTFA and assumed there were no cables. That actually impressed me, the thought he solved the problem of movement along the field lines using just magnetism. I had thoughts of some sophisticated system of electromagnets continually detecting and adjusting the field to keep the bed aligned, or at least some sort of damping configuration to justify the absurd price!

    But no, as usual, it's just another laughable device to separate scientifically-ignorant wealthy people from their money.

    I hope he patents it! LOL

    1. Re:Underwhelming by zepher-109 · · Score: 1

      Trust me, that name is anything BUT slick here in The Netherlands.

    2. Re:Underwhelming by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .a sheet of plywood . . .

      Oh sure, you put it that way to put him down, but really, his accomplishment is far greater than that:

      He used two sheets of plywood and a tuba quartet for spacers. That implies actual carpentry, for sufficiently small values of carpentry.

      And don't forget the spray painting. That Rustoleum is tricky stuff.

      KFG

    3. Re:Underwhelming by grimJester · · Score: 4, Funny

      But no, as usual, it's just another laughable device to separate scientifically-ignorant wealthy people from their money.

      I hope he patents it! LOL


      I tried patenting separating the ignorant from their money, but apparently there was some prior art.

    4. Re:Underwhelming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I saw the article, I thought it was about an actual magnetic field bed, not just a floating mattress. You could levitate a person in a magnetic field of a few hundred Tesla or so, though perhaps a million euros might be cheap for that much magnetism ;)

      Of course, there is evidence that strong magnetic fields can change the expression of genes so maybe floating in a magnet may not be the best way to spend your night ;)

  12. Earthquakes by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

    Just a comment. I wonder what it would feel like to be in an earthquake while sleeping in one of these beds.

    1. Re:Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baby, it'll rock your world.

  13. Now theres an excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for those of you who have piercings in your 'peep', for not being able to 'get it up'

  14. Old Fashioned by dshaw858 · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I like my matress to be fixed to solid ground. But then again, I don't really like water mattresses, either. Is there really a market for a magnetic bed?

    1. Re:Old Fashioned by Eivind · · Score: 1
      Watermatresses where a fad. There's a few unfortunate realities that make them unpleasant.

      First and foremost among these, people sweat. Even under normal conditions, people sweat while sleeping. In summer when its warm, when the people engage in uhm... 'exersize' and so they sometimes sweat quite a bit.

      Fact; a watermatress prevents ventilation, it prevents moisture from escaping your bed trough the matress. Which means you're a lot more uncomfortable.

      Fact; mites and stuff that likes to live in beds (eating scraps of dead skin falling off you) but that many people react alergically to *love* it warm and moist. Precisely what a waterbed provides.

  15. Obligatory cold water note by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Funny
    I suggest, before post on this subject, you need to do some research in the following subjects:
    • AC induction heating
    • jewellery materials
    • Girls
    Probably in that order, since research into the second item might help with research into the third item.
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    1. Re:Obligatory cold water note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Walt's boss. He's just been fired. And I'm afraid we don't really have the budget for extra research this quarter.

  16. Magnetic field? by Eudial · · Score: 1

    Aren't strong magnetic fields supposed to be harmful? After all, there's this fuss about living under power lines...

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    1. Re:Magnetic field? by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      No those kooks^H^Halternative medicine experts reversed the decision on magnets about 5 years ago when they realized they could make more mone^H^H^Hthat magnets were actually helpful and can be built into magnetic bracelets and such.

    2. Re:Magnetic field? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      To humans, very little or not at all. But, try sitting in your bed with a laptop...

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    3. Re:Magnetic field? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is a difference between alternating fields like in powerlines, and non alternating fields like from permanent magnets ..... just a hint ^^

      and looking at microwaves, which just heat up water molecules inside a given volume with an electromagnetic hf alternating field .. .... nono, there is no effect on tissue through fields ... nah, never ... :P

    4. Re:Magnetic field? by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative
      For those that think it is not possible to have an effect - look at induction furnaces. For those who think you are in trouble if you live some distance away and not directly under 33kV lines - think about the inverse square law and how weak the feild is going to be even when it hits ground level. It is real (long term exposure of pregnant women to faulty EMF plastic welders proved that), but you have to be close, and the mechanism is raising the core temperature of your body by induction.

      As for the magnetic blanket stuff - it's mesmerism come back to haunt us long after Ben Franklin debunked it.

    5. Re:Magnetic field? by Chris+Snook · · Score: 1

      Statistical analysis of the correlation between living under high-tension power lines and childhood leukemia based on distance discovered that the rate of fall-off with distance from the power lines is far too slow to correspond to any natural phenomenon. In other words, living under power lines tends to increase the risk of childhood leukemia, but not because of the power lines. Think about it. You tend to see high-tension lines near industrial areas, which also tend to be high in various forms of carcinogenic pollution, and they're usually hidden away around rich neighborhoods whose residents can better afford preventative health care that keeps their children's immune systems stronger.

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      There's no failure quite as dissatisfying as a complete and total solution to the wrong problem.
    6. Re:Magnetic field? by antek9 · · Score: 1

      No, no, Magnetic Fields are considered harmful ONLY if they are created by French composer Jean Michel Jarre, but then again, calling those 'strong' will expose you to even more harmful laughter. So take care (with that radio, that is).

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    7. Re:Magnetic field? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      You tend to see high-tension lines near industrial areas, which also tend to be high in various forms of carcinogenic pollution, and they're usually hidden away around rich neighborhoods whose residents can better afford preventative health care that keeps their children's immune systems stronger.

      I think your second reason is valid, but not the first. Very often the power lines in question are long-distance transmission lines, which can often be found in every sort of area (commercial, residential, rural, etc.), not just industrial ones.

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    8. Re:Magnetic field? by init100 · · Score: 1

      Aren't strong magnetic fields supposed to be harmful? After all, there's this fuss about living under power lines...

      I'd guess there is a difference between static fields and alternating fields. The permanent magnets create a static magnetic field, while the power lines create alternating magnetic fields.

    9. Re:Magnetic field? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      They often have large tracts of wildland underneath them though. Land that cities are fond of spraying with pesticide.

    10. Re:Magnetic field? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What does? The high tension lines, or industrial areas?

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    11. Re:Magnetic field? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the high tension lines. Most of the open areas in cities seem to be pretty well mowed which keeps mosquitos and weeds down. It seems that's often not the case with power right of ways though.

    12. Re:Magnetic field? by Eudial · · Score: 1
      For those that think it is not possible to have an effect - look at induction furnaces. For those who think you are in trouble if you live some distance away and not directly under 33kV lines - think about the inverse square law and how weak the feild is going to be even when it hits ground level. It is real (long term exposure of pregnant women to faulty EMF plastic welders proved that), but you have to be close, and the mechanism is raising the core temperature of your body by induction.


      Eh? Last time I checked the magnetic field strength is inversely proportional to the distance from a wire, not inversely proportional the distance squared.

      B = 2*10^-7 * I / r

      (I = current, r = distance)
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  17. I wonder by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 1

    Could it be coupled with your alarm-clock to cut the power to the bed when the alarm rings? That would be one hell of a wake-up.

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  18. Great Scott! by chowdy · · Score: 2, Funny

    The hoverboard must not be far off!

  19. Preventing evil parasites from getting to bed by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 1

    I think you have a mistake there. The bed is operated by magnets, not electromagnets. So it won't increase your electricity bill.

    But still, I'm not sure I like your solution either. Ants can still come from the ceiling. One of them woke me up yesterday.. maybe it's a hint I should wash the floor.

    Anyway, I think the best solution would be a personal laser bubble, similar to the one mentioned here (but smaller). It will destroy any nasty insect getting near me, and will take care of mosquitos as well (damn that asian tiger is driving me crazy!)

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    1. Re:Preventing evil parasites from getting to bed by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think you have a mistake there. The bed is operated by magnets, not electromagnets. So it won't increase your electricity bill.

      Ah, that explains the price tag -- permanant magnets are much more expensive, aren't they?

      Now, what I would have done is used an elecromagnet for the base, made it concave so that it wouldn't need wires for stability, and wired the whole thing through a dimmer switch (or similar device) so that would have adjustable height.

      Not only would it be much cheaper, but with a good control device you could make it vibrate like those motel beds. For that matter, if you arranged the electromagnets in the base correctly, you could even have the bed spin like in Austin Powers. The possibilities are endless!

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    2. Re:Preventing evil parasites from getting to bed by Aaron+Denney · · Score: 1

      Making it concave would not be enough for stability. You can make it semi-stable via the same way they make magnetic traps semi-stable (essentially quickly flopping which way is stable and which unstable), but true stability requires active control.

    3. Re:Preventing evil parasites from getting to bed by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The idea would be to have opposing magnetic forces on each side, so that if you push it in any given direction and then let go the magnetic force in that direction would be weaker (because it decreases with distance) and the force in the opposite direction would be stronger. This difference of forces would push the bed back to the center.

      Now, you're correct that this wouldn't be "truly stable" because it would still be possible to push the bed out of position, and it would undergo a damped oscillation as it settled back into position. But that's okay because the goal was just to prevent it from shooting off to the side and falling to the floor.

      Although, now that I think about it it might be rather unpleasant to be laying on it while waiting for it to settle...

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    4. Re:Preventing evil parasites from getting to bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just need a slightly more complex geometry so as to not need the wires. A vertical post in a repelling cylinder stops sideways movement. A horizontal spur with repelling magnets above it stops upward movement.

    5. Re:Preventing evil parasites from getting to bed by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought a concave base would accomplish. The middle part of it would be the part that stops downward movement, gravity would stop upward movement, and the edges would act like the cylinder you mention and stop sideways movement.

      Actually, now that I think about it maybe the reason my suggestion seemed not to work is that I failed to mention that the base would be significantly wider than the bed. Knowing that, does it make more sense?

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  20. Good for Lovenasiums. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Champaggin?

  21. Only on slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rest of the world is thinking about the sensation of this bed as a participant in intimate movements involving a fellow human, you're thinking about movement between tectonic plates? Is this the scientific method I've heard so much about?

  22. The reason why by hyynes · · Score: 1

    a bed's design hasn't changed for thousands of years is because it's a perfect invention. We don't need NEW beds.

    1. Re:The reason why by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's so perfect, why are there so many different mattresses? And water beds. And why do the Japanese have their beds directly on the floor, while we have them on legs? And...

      Nothing's perfect.

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    2. Re:The reason why by kfg · · Score: 1

      "Bed - A single layer of sedimentary rock or a single stratum "

      Works for me.

      KFG

    3. Re:The reason why by antek9 · · Score: 1

      What's even more ironic, even though Western beds do have legs, they usually don't move at all, while Japanese beds move out of the way (and into the closets) every morning...

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    4. Re:The reason why by booch · · Score: 1

      Western beds have legs, and Japanese beds are moved out of the way for the same reason -- to keep critters from getting into the bed. The Japanese also beat their futon mattresses in the morning, to get out the little critters. I expect this is actually more effective than the western bed at critters that feed off of your skin.

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    5. Re:The reason why by antek9 · · Score: 1

      Well, I was just trying to be funny, but as you invested some time in taking my remark at face value and bothered replying, you have deserved yourself an answer.
      While you have a point, and Japanese DO take precautions to keep those nasty bugs out of the bed, you are slightly wrong in two aspects there. One, where ever I have been in Japan, I hardly ever saw someone beating the shit out of their futons (bad pun, I know, however, intended none the less). They do (occasionally) hang them out to dry, that's right, and I understand that while mites do like it hot, they are not so keen on sunbathing. Two, exterminating unwanted lifeforms is hardly the reason for Japanese beds to be moved. Simple as it may sound, Japanese rooms tend to be small and therefore have to serve multiple purposes. This is all the more true, the more traditional a house or apartment is laid out. So, the very spot where you have been treated to sip some deliciously bitter green tea in the afternoon might very well be the place where silly old grandpa snorts away every night.
      There's some beauty in that if you got a sense for that kind of stuff. And preparing the beds works remarkably well and is easily done in a minute, considering that real Japanese futons are lightweight and far from those hideous latex monsters they lug around and sell as futons here in the West.

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    6. Re:The reason why by booch · · Score: 1

      I was more pointing out that the Japanese and Western solutions to the problem were different, but equally effective. I wasn't really exploring how they came about those solutions.

      When I was in Japan, the mother did beat (lightly) the futon mattresses before bringing them in. The combination of that and putting them away during the day, I'm guessing does a good job of keeping the bed bugs away.

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  23. I hate to rain on the parade... by caveat · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...of all the piercing jokes, but (and I'm sure a lot of you probably already know this), any halfway decent body jewelry is completely nonmagnetic: stainless steel, titanium, or niobium. I know for sure - I have a headful of all three metals and never had any problems with a 400MHz NMR; the red line on the floor with the little flying wrench icon was like 20 feet from that sucker.

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    1. Re:I hate to rain on the parade... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 400MHZ means nothing in this context. You obviously don't know how NMR (or now more commonly referred to as simply MR) machines work. The magnetic field is a very strong but static field. This causes the atoms in the item to be images to align their internal magnetic fields with that of the external magnet. Then radio waves (the 400Mhz you were referring to) are used to knock the alignment of the atoms out of line with the field, and then snap back into alignment. When the atoms realign with the external field, they send out their own radio frequency. This is then picked up by the coils and used to produce images of what is inside. I'd be much more interested in knowing the field strength of the magnet used. The whole body MR scanners these days are usually in the 1.5 to 3 tesla range.

      Also, stainless steel, is usually magnetic. Niobium can be as well as it is a common component in the strongest "rare earth" magnets. I was under the impression that a lot of body jewelry was made of combinations of gold, silver, and platinum, and the cheaper stuff was stainless steel.

    2. Re:I hate to rain on the parade... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      That's because your NMR doesn't have any gradients. Go find an imager, lie about your weight, load up a nice EPI sequence and your piercings will feel all warm and glowy. Or just run circles around your NMR and you should feel some resistance.

      A permanent magnet bed isn't going to be much fun though.

  24. The best part by Megane · · Score: 2, Funny

    The best part is that after blowing a mil and a half on this thing ($1.5M and he couldn't figure out how to get rid of the tether wires?), it will erase all your credit cards for you so that you can't be that stupid ever again.

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  25. Hot tip by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

    Don't take your laptop to bed.

    Doh!

  26. Like Dick Tracy said by Jon+Luckey · · Score: 1
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  27. We dont need new beds? by Lanoitarus · · Score: 1

    Would someone please tell that to Barry and Elliot, Bernie and Phyll, Raymour and Flannigan, Mattress Giant, and every other furniture store whose horriblly annoying ads I have to listen to every other commercial on the way to work when I just want to hear the $#%^@$ traffic report?

  28. How do you... by Builder · · Score: 1

    tuck the sheets in ?

  29. Prior Art by OrbNobz · · Score: 1

    An even better way to suspend your sleep... ^Z

      - Orbnobz
    I was being mashed potatoes!

  30. I'd prefer Niven's sleep fields by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    Sort of an anti-gravity bed.

    The effects of gravity are still felt by a sleeper on this "mag-lev" bed, so it doesn't really do anything for your ability to sleep, it just has a cool furniture factor.

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  31. The End is Nigh by dburr · · Score: 1

    Guess that using a laptop in this bed is kinda out of the question. Damn!

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  32. Piercings by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    I only wear gold earrings.

    LK

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  33. Anatomy of piercings by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Piercing rings aren't closed. You, obviously, need to pass them thru the pierced hole.
    and unlike earrings, most of them have non-metallic decoration (plastic colored beads that double as nut to close the hole in the ring, or the extremities in case of open piercing, once it is in place).

    This makes them poor induction heating targets and completly unable to be repelled like a Tesla coils in alternating magnetic field.

    Some cheap earrings may be made of ferromagnetic material but it isn't advisable to wear them before the pierced hole has healed.
    (Some of those are even completly metallic and can be closed in a loop shape that has a tendency to float mid-air in the vicinity of high field Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imagery machines - already witnessed it).

    For intimate (nipple, clit, etc... piercings) this is seldom the case : the material must be better tolerated by the situs of piercing, and the "nice colored bead as nuts" method is prefered both because of easthetic reasons, and because those piercings are worn under clothes and the friction prohibits using simplier "closing in a ring shape" methods.

    Yes, I kown, having the opportunity to observe peircings on a girlfriend implies that I *have* girlfriends and this will get me expelled from slashdot community. I'll handle my geek-card at the exit.

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    1. Re:Anatomy of piercings by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I guess you've never waved an aluminum ruler around near an MR machine hey? Closed loops are not required.

  34. um, hello? by jafac · · Score: 1

    Magnetic fields?
    Cancer?
    Hello?

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    1. Re:um, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hello :)

  35. I want a steamy little Jewish Princess by spun · · Score: 1

    With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
    -- Frank Zappa, "Jewish Princess"

    'cause you know kids these days have no idea what you meant by that...

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  36. Won't stop bugs anyway by Gorimek · · Score: 1

    Even without wires, bugs and fleas would be able to get in the bed by hitchhiking on your person, as well as pillows and blankets.

    1. Re:Won't stop bugs anyway by Hemi+Rodner · · Score: 1

      Not if I take a shower, check if I have nothing on me and then go to sleep naked!

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  37. Need those support wires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those complaining about the support wires, the alternative would be a very quick death as the magnet flips and snaps down, if you ever managed to keep the bed stable long enough to lie on it.

  38. Adamant/adamantine by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    Adamant is a poetic term for something pure and imperishable, often implying diamond, but it isn't a denotation, it's a poetic term. Adamantine is another fictional variant on the poetic term. Adamantine is only fictional, and though someone may have made up some pseudo science to explain some stuff, it's just a made up term. A thin blade of diamond/carbon would be brittle as hell, and would break in the first real fight. True diamonds can be shattered with a hammer, as well as being flammable.

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  39. Metal parts ARE build with aluminium by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Metal parts of infusion holders, table for holding various materials, or other such metallic part, are made using non-ferromagnetic metals and don't heat much.
    The magnetic field isn't varying that much around the nominal range of the MRI (the gradient used to do signal localisation doesn't from go 0 to 3Tesla, it only oscilliates closer around 3T), the rest of the thermal energy comes from the radiowaves (the Lamor frequency depends of the field and is ussually in the range of Mhz).
    Therefore most of the metalic stuff in the MRI room doesn't heat that much.
    For the heating to be noticeable, the ruler must be inside the tunnel, the machine must be running a fast sequence, and the field must be rather high (3T machine rather than 1.5T).
    But even then, research has developped protocols to do MRI brain scans on parkinsonian patient WITH implanted stimulator. Yes, patient with metal electrodes inside his head having an MRI. And it is still safe. I may find the references if you want (or, you could also easily find them on pubmed).

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    1. Re:Metal parts ARE build with aluminium by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Actually, you'll probably find some of those references are from my lab....

      Somewhere else (apparently) I commented that if you were to lay in the scanner (we were actually talking about a 400 MHz or 9.4T one), lie about your weight (to fool the safeties) and run an EPI sequence, you might well feel your piercings heating up. In fact, you'd find yourself heating up. If you were to run around a magnet with a decently high field you'd feel a tug on your piercings so long as they were made of ANYTHING conductive, due to induced fields. They wouldn't go flying off of course, unless you can run REALLY fast.

      Waving an aluminum ruler slowly around near or inside the bore of even a 1.5T magnet is a weird feeling, like waving it through water. Of course it doesn't heat up noticeably.

      It looks like you replied to my comment that closed loops are not required to feel effects from a strong magnetic field, but your reply seems to be kind of irrelevant. Perhaps it's in the wrong place?

  40. What about a superconductor base? by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 1

    Now a liquid helium cooled bed sized superconductor might cost a bit ($1.5mill may cover it...)

    When you put a magnet over one it is stabilised without active control. IANAP (i am not a physisist) but it has something to do with induced currents opposing motion (lorenz?)

    Liquid nitrogen cooled ceramics might be cheeper if you could build and fire a piece that size... they do have prototype *trains* that run on them after all, so maybe it isnt that 'out there'

    Have seen pictures of frogs being levitated without contact, not sure what that would do for your health.. (or potential love life)

  41. Me jealouse by DrYak · · Score: 1

    ME jealous. ME don't have an "amlost 10T" MRI in my lab to play with.
    Life is a big, big, big injustice.

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