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Botnet Herders Attack MS06-040 Worm Hole

Laljeetji writes "eweek reports that the first wave of malicious attacks against the MS06-040 vulnerability is underway, using malware that hijacks unpatched Windows machines for use in IRC-controlled botnets. The attacks, which started late Aug. 12, use a variant of a backdoor Trojan that installs itself on a system, modifies security settings, connects to a remote IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server and starts listening for commands from a remote hacker. On the MSRC blog, Microsoft is calling it a very small, targeted attack that does not (yet?) have an auto-spreading mechanism. LURHQ has a detailed analysis of the backdoor."

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  1. IRC the weakpoint? by ShaneThePain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the hacker has to use IRC to command the bots, cant the entire virus be reverse-engineered to find out the IRC channel and then the hackers IP address?
    I would like to see these virus authors caught and publicly executed for once.

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    1. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Informative

      They know where its coming from, but the Chinese are still pissed at Jack Bauer so they won't shut it down.

      actually, they say its the same server thats been running for months:
      Amazingly, this new variant of Mocbot, still uses the same IRC server hostnames as a command-and-control mechanism after all these months. This may be partially due to the low-profile it has held, but also may be due to the fact that the hostnames and ip addresses associated with the command-and-control servers are almost all located in China. Historically Chinese ISPs and government entities have been less-than-cooperative in taking action against malware hosted and controlled from within their networks.

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    2. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How are the IRC channel and the hacker's IP address related? Just because somebody visits some random IRC channel doesn't make them the bot author. Security researchers, for example, will also be found there.

      Also, most bot herdes are in eastern europe, brazil, or developing countries. Catching hackers isn't high on the list of law enforcement priorities in the countries (and, if the right amount has been paid to the right people, it's completely ignored).

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    3. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by httptech · · Score: 5, Informative

      Modern botnet command-and-control IRC servers don't give out information like who else is connected. In this Mocbot C&C, you join the channel, get an encrypted command (in the channel topic) which tells the bot to join another channel. In that channel, another encrypted command in the topic tells the bot to download and execute a trojan (which currently is detected by some AV as Trojan-Proxy.Win32.Ranky.fv).

      The reason for all this subterfuge is, if the AV companies aren't spying on the control channel, they have no way to know about the second-stage infection, unless they get lucky - so even if they do clean the Mocbot infection, the proxy trojan still resides on the machine.

    4. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by StarkRG · · Score: 1

      Um, perhaps they check and see who's giving the commands?

    5. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by mabu · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it's time we "brought freedom" to China.

    6. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by scum-e-bag · · Score: 1

      By doing this China is bringing freedom to the US... well, I'm sure thats how they see it.

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    7. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finding out what channel the said person is in won't help you find his real IP address. People up to no good stuff like this usually go thru at least 2 types of IP-redirection before connecting to IRC.

    8. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by decadre · · Score: 1

      Seeing as Tor has been brought up lately as a way to "secure" yourself... Whats to stop virus writers using a proxy?... Hell they could probably proxy through a compromised machine (if its security sucks badly enough)

    9. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then could someone possibly flood the IRC channels with bad data/commands somehow? find out a way to get the "hey i'm a bot" response to run a buffer overflow on the master?

    10. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by winkydink · · Score: 1

      see second point about eastern europe, brazil & developing countries.

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    11. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would think that,huh? I have been given many samples of trojans which do exactly what is described. Seeing the IRC server ip and at times client ips is trivial. Email to ISP's go completely on deaf ears. I settle for joining and typing slurs at the ops.

    12. Re:IRC the weakpoint? by plover · · Score: 1
      Whats to stop virus writers using a proxy?

      Nothing. They are doing exactly that.

      Modern botnets are organized more like terrorist cells than anything else. What they're doing is opening encrypted channels only between the infecting and infected machines, and run as a peer-to-peer network. It's very much run like a Tor network.

      So now, there's no single IRC server. The botherder can connect to any infected machine and issue a command, and the command will propagate peer-to-peer. The communications channel is encrypted, so casual snooping of the data won't reveal the tell-tale signs of spam that might cause a firewall to block it.

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  2. strange hadlines... by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Could be right out of a voyager episode or something.
    I really hope they reverse their shield polarity when attackign that wormhole, or it could trigger a tachyon cascade....

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    1. Re:strange hadlines... by ltbarcly · · Score: 2, Informative

      I shouldn'ta hava to remind ya, every star trek techno babble contains a mention of the deflectors.

    2. Re:strange hadlines... by tumbleweedsi · · Score: 1

      It's OK... Data will just 'compensate'.

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  3. Whats gonna happen when Norton removes WGA? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    from the analysis:

    This variant of mocbot copies itself to the system directory as wgareg.exe, and creates an NT service to run at startup called "Windows Genuine Advantage Registration Service". The description given to the service reads "Ensures that your copy of Microsoft Windows is genuine and registered. Stopping or disabling this service will result in system instability.", in an attempt to discourage users from stopping it from running.

    Do we actually know which is the more malicious variant?

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    1. Re:Whats gonna happen when Norton removes WGA? by The+Real+Toad+King · · Score: 1

      To me, they're both equally malicious. Norton should just remove both of them.

    2. Re:Whats gonna happen when Norton removes WGA? by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 1

      You're running norton?

      With that much malware, man, your system is FUBAR... time to reformat.

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    3. Re:Whats gonna happen when Norton removes WGA? by mabu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're running norton you've got bigger problems than this worm.

  4. Update Server 2003 and XP SP2 as well by jiushao · · Score: 3, Informative

    Notice: This worm cannot target Server 2003 or XP SP2, in fact, no exploit for them has been found. The basic flaw exists, but the stack guards used on all newer versions of Windows (post-security-push) trips all as of yet attempted attacks. To be really safe however make sure you update Server 2003 and XP SP2 machines anyway!

    1. Re:Update Server 2003 and XP SP2 as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      update Server 2003 and XP SP2 machines anyway!

      He meant update your Windows with the latest security patches, not update your collection of malware on that petri dish you call an operating system.
       
      /*joke

    2. Re:Update Server 2003 and XP SP2 as well by infosec_spaz · · Score: 0

      Yeah?...No Shit? So, if you do the latest security updates, this work will not be able to get to you? JEEEEZUS! That is the whole problem. The goddamn security patch just came out on Tuesday, how many companies do you think have patched?

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  5. A Solution... by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Find a way to make the average user patch software.

    As wonderful as it would be if all software was completely bug free and contained no security holes, it's simply impossible. No product, be it OSS or commercial, is free of these banes. On the other hand, problems like this would nearly go away, if only users would patch the software. Whether it's a new exploit in Windows or Apache or phpBB, if you don't patch, you're going to get screwed. Yes, it seems like Microsoft products have more patches than average, but at least they have patches. Blaster and MyDoom? They'd have never hit the news if users were patched. Automatic Updates in XP is a great step forward, but it's still opt-in.

    Some people seem amazed when I say I had no direct problems with Blaster or Welchia, and they don't seem to get it that these problems essentially always appear after a patch is release which means there is no valid reason for their survival. Patch, patch, patch, patch, patch. Yes, slightly monotonous, but if users would simple do it, we'd stop seeing these equally monotonous news stories about Exploits of Doom.

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    1. Re:A Solution... by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A good start would be for Microsoft to stop attaching new EULA conditions or spyware (e.g. WGA) as a prerequsite to getting patches conveniently.

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    2. Re:A Solution... by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This is a complicated topic, and I don't have a pat answer. But let me give you two of the counterpoints:
      1. Corporate users can't do that; they need to test the patches first. Obviously, "corporate" users could then get an option to not auto-download the patches. But the corporations aren't conservative about patching because they like to drag their feet; technically it's easy to roll out a patch in a matter of hours, even minutes for small ones that don't require a reboot. The problem is that patches aren't perfect, and they will tend to break computers that used to work, and programs that used to work. Worst case scenario they can even destroy data.

        Corporations have trouble because they may well have thousands of configurations they need to support, so even if 1% of them fail, it's a major problem. Still, imagine if Microsoft forces a patch out, and they cause the machines that have Quicken version 6.3532 build 4 to completely destroy all financial records on their next startup. (Or even just render them unreadable, since we're assuming non-technical users.) Imagine the liability issues, which, frankly, probably terrify the executives at Microsoft already when they issue a patch. Forcing the patches on users makes those issues even worse.
      2. If Microsoft has the ability to force your machine to run an update, they literally own your machine. They can make it do anything, and you can't stop them. Already the activation stuff has caused some issues, and I've basically bailed on Windows as a result and consider it a good reason for everybody else to bail, too. The computer needs to belong to you, not your corporate overlords. (The term "corporate overlord" in this case is used without sarcasm, because at least in computing terms, they really are.)
      I think the problem boils down to the fact that it may not be possible to run a general-purpose computer in an incredibly hostile environment without a high degree of operator skill, and people in general, quite justifiably, do not wish to attain this high degree of skill, just so they can safely surf the web, send email, and use IM. Until a completely secure computer is built, or at least a far more secure one, I'm not sure what can be done about this.

      The worst part is, none of what I've said here contradicts anything you've said. It's all in play at once? So, which side dominates, and under what circumstances? I really couldn't tell you. However, I would think the empirical evidence at the moment is in your favor. But is the only/best solution really to cede control over your computer to Microsoft (which are the people who got you into this situation in the first place)?

      At least Open Source doesn't have that issue; since nobody is in charge and nobody is making money by controlling your computer (DRM, etc), the conflict of interest involved in creating a security situation where what seems to be the best solution is deeding your computer over to the same people doesn't come into play.
    3. Re:A Solution... by Omeger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you the guy who done that Ask Slashdot post yesterday?

    4. Re:A Solution... by Omeger · · Score: 1

      Because the average person doesn't care about that stuff, you know.

    5. Re:A Solution... by Secrity · · Score: 1

      I am firmly against a vendor forcibly installing any patch or other software without the computer owner's consent. I will not install the Genuine Advanantage patch (or whatever it's called) on my XP box, and I believe that MS has no right to force me to install it (I am running legit OEM Windows).

      I agreee that some people are too stupid to be allowed to breed or own a computer, that does not not mean that they should be forcibly castrated or neutered, nor shoukd they should MS force them to install software on their computer.

    6. Re:A Solution... by tymbow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Patches are one thing but if people just used a firewall (even the built in one in Windows XP) or even just turned off the Server service (most home users don't need it) most of these worms would not have anywhere to go.

      I'm amazed at the number of PCs that are are still blindly connected to the Internet with no firewall. Crank up NMap and run it over your ISPs dyanmic address range and have a look.

    7. Re:A Solution... by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As wonderful as it would be if all software was completely bug free and contained no security holes, it's simply impossible.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patch software?

      KFG

    8. Re:A Solution... by the_bard17 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is a great idea, right until a patch breaks something. I can't remember the exact patch, but back in April MS released a patch that messed with IE's ability to automatically correct a URL's format. Id est, "google.com" doesn't get changed to "http://www.google.com". The patch conflicted with some HP software (Share-To-Web or something like that), and broke the URL correction.

      I had a couple clients (residential, not commercial, mind you) who had me correct the problem. One of these clients had ben prior customer... and I had stressed updating Windows on a regular basis. Let me tell you... that was a fun conversation. "Yes, an update to Windows broke your system. Yes, I do have to charge you for this service. Yes, I realize I told you a few months ago to make sure you updated Windows regularly. No, unfortunately I cannot fix this for free since Microsoft screwed up the patch."

      Danged if you do, darned if you don't...

    9. Re:A Solution... by jd142 · · Score: 1

      >>Find a way to make the average user patch software.

      Preachin' to the choir there. We just started getting a new crop of students in our graduate college(so these are mostly people who spent at least the last 4 years as undergrads) and so far about 2 of the students were still on XP SP1 and the rest had about 3 reboots worth of updates to pull down on average. That's why we have classes where all we do is walk them through how to update Windows, anti-virus, and anti-spyware software. The number of students I see who don't have even a recent update of windows of AV software less than 6 months old is amazing.

    10. Re:A Solution... by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, wasn't me, but I agree with him totally.

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    11. Re:A Solution... by Secrity · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I wonder if that former customer could find a lawyer who could find you responsible for instructing them to blindly install a patch that broke their system. Even if they don't win the suit - you loose, and who knows; they might get a good lawyer and luck out with a judge who finds you responsible for telling them to blindly install patches as soon as they are released. It is MS's fault that the patch wass are screwed up, it was your fault that the your customer installed it.

    12. Re:A Solution... by real_b0fh · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      if he gets his ass sued into oblivion, that will teach him to not touch that crap even with an 20-inch stick.

      'supporting' windoze, besides making your work life a living hell, does not do anyone any good. Let them windows lusers get screwed to the point they will get sufficiently pissed of at microsoft to do something to rid themselves of that misery.

      as long as there is a nerd-bitch to 'fix your windows box for some bucks', this crap will go on endlessly. I, for one, plainly refuse to do anything on any family member's computers that run windows. They have to pay some tool to clean their crap. I simply say 'i do not know windows, i don't use it, it stinks', and go back to my beer.

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    13. Re:A Solution... by Skater · · Score: 1

      If that were the case, I suspect the consultant could then successfully sue Microsoft. Before someone mentions it, I know Microsoft's EULA says they're not responsible for damages to their system, but I'd like to point out that it's likely the consultant has some sort of escape clause in his contract as well. (In other words, if you proposed that the company sue the consultant, ignoring that escape clause, then why not also ignore the Microsoft EULA escape clause?)

      However I doubt the company would sue the consultant - if nothing else, it'd cost too much for too little reward - how much money do consultants really have anyway? Lockheed Martin and EDS have nice deep pockets, but a consultant in business for himself? Nah.

    14. Re:A Solution... by Secrity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS has deeper pockets and can afford more expensive layers and iron clad EULAs. A consultant is less likely to be able to afford an expensive lawer and is also more likely to have a contract that a can be shredded by a competent lawyer. A jury is likely to be more sympathetic to a user suing a computer consultant than a computer consultant suing MS.

    15. Re:A Solution... by pele_smk · · Score: 1

      Patch, wow that's easy enough, I wish I would have known. But first, if you could please talk to my third party vendors and make sure my MS patch won't break something else. It's sooo simple to say patch, but some 90% of the time that single patch breaks third party software. Normally costing me hours of play before I can get everything back up. What's worse? When a patch says you must shutdown a service for a specified period of time...(BES server wanted the service down for 20 minutes. Nobody could send or recieve emails over the crackberry). 20 minutes of downtime is pretty painful on a critical service. So the answer to patching, patching, patching, isn't as simple as it sounds. For home users....patch away.

    16. Re:A Solution... by Skater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Presumably the people on that jury would've used computers and had problems during a Windows upgrade. After all, how are you going to find 12 people that haven't?

    17. Re:A Solution... by enrgeeman · · Score: 1

      Easy. Most people don't apply patches!

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    18. Re:A Solution... by nolife · · Score: 1

      A good way to check your computer or your Windows machines on your local network for basic security problems and patches is with the MS Baseline Security Analyzer. The download is free.

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    19. Re:A Solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We just started getting a new crop of students in our graduate college(so these are mostly people who spent at least the last 4 years as undergrads) and so far about 2 of the students were still on XP SP1 and the rest had about 3 reboots worth of updates to pull down on average.


      I can relate. I work at a law school and we have folks coming in with (no shit) everything from win98 up to winxp media center edition. I'd guesstimate that we're talking about 30-40 percent of our students being in the neighborhood of up to date (in other words, they have SP2) with most of them running whatever came on the machine with few or no updates.

      Interestingly, we had an ex-banker come through the law school last year, and I shit you not he was running OpenBSD. Maybe there is hope.

      The number of students I see who don't have even a recent update of windows of AV software less than 6 months old is amazing.


      It's not just AV software, we have so many of them running as admin at login who inadvertantly install spyware by the bushel that it's just pathetic.
    20. Re:A Solution... by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      How is this flamebait modded insightful? The moderators defy logic sometimes...

      If you can answer how using Windows makes my work difficult or establish any criterion for what "good" for me is, then maybe it might be insightful. Could you explain who "he" is? Not to be pedantic or anything. I'm only asking because your attitude pisses me off.

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    21. Re:A Solution... by Thangodin · · Score: 1

      I won't install WGA either. I have a legit copy of Windows, but I'm running a pirate copy because of their stupid protection scheme--five hardware changes and you have to re-register. A lot of people I know won't install a legit copy of Windows for the same reason. I can do five hardware changes in five minutes if I'm testing hardware. I'll be damned if I'm going to contact Microsoft at 2:00 in the morning to ask them for permission to use MY computer--that's just stupid. Fortunately I'm heavily firewalled, but what's going to happen when millions of machines which don't have the patch become repeater bots for the Russian mafia?

      Is there a way around the copy protection scheme or WGA, other than taking the crack pipe from Ballmer and trying to pull him in for a landing?

    22. Re:A Solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how do you patch your parents Win ME system if Microsoft is not making anymore updates? Install Linux, good idea, hard to get them to change (Firefox was hard enough).

    23. Re:A Solution... by the_bard17 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So let's play the other side: I tell the client not to install any patch without explicitly finding out what the patch corrects and ensuring that it will not damage his computer (with regards to software, not that many of my clients would be able to tell the difference). Most of my clients do not have the patience nor the time to research each patch. Of those that do, most would not be able to understand exactly what the patch does. Following that, most of my clients will not install the patches.

      So when the next Blaster/Welchia-like worm hits, they haven't downloaded the patch 'cause they listened to me... and then I get to go back out and clean the virus off their system, and explain how they got the virus (worm, really, but I usually get that glazed-eye look when I explain the difference), and what they could've done to prevent it. Then I get to charge them, and explain why I'm charging them. See a pattern here?

      End result: the client (end-user) is the one left hanging. If he blindly patches, he runs into problems. He blindly ignores the patches, he runs into problems. If we could only raise his level of computer literacy, he might actually have a chance to understand what the patch does, what might interfere with it, and possibly even solve the problem on his own if it occurs.

      Seeing as that's very unlikely to occur, the system breaks down. Something's gotta give. Something's gotta change. Until it does, the end-user gets left hanging.

    24. Re:A Solution... by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      See, Activiation is a non-issue for Corporate Customers. They have Volume Licenses, with corresponding VLP Keys.

      Same goes for WGA. WGA Updates aren't even synced with WSUS (small-to-medium Business Patch Deployment Solution, Free), or SMS (medium-to-big Software Deployment / Patch Managment Solution, Costs money).

      So all this stuff isn't interesting for corporate users, because it doesn't concern them.

    25. Re:A Solution... by Marshlurker · · Score: 1

      There would be no need for a firewall if only Microsoft didn't by default enable services that no one needs. A home user's box doesn't need to export ANY services.

    26. Re:A Solution... by Secrity · · Score: 2, Informative

      This all goes back to the two main problem with computer security: 1.) People who are barely technically proficient to safely operate a toaster are operating computers that require a considerable amount of technical knowlege to safely operate. 2.) The vendor that provides the vast majority of the OS and office suite patches has a less than stellar track record at producing bug-free patches (the patch process has also has been known to introduce what some people consider to be malware masquerading as critical patches).

      These computer end-users are the same people that have to be told:

                Do not operate toaster outdoors in a wet location.
                Do not insert fork or other metal object into toaster slots.
                Do not operate toaster while any part is under water.
                Do not insert over-sized foods into the toaster.
                Do not insert metal foil packages into the toaster.
                Do not place plastic wrapped items into the toaster.
                Failure to clean crumb tray may result in a risk of fire.

    27. Re:A Solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I had WSUS attempt to push WGA to my employers' legitimately licensed VLK installations on two machines at work.

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    28. Re:A Solution... by real_b0fh · · Score: 1

      'he' is the guy (or gal) above who instructed a client to 'always keep windows updated, always apply the paches ASAP' (which is good), but one of the patches from redmond that the client applied broke some critical application of said client (heh, newsflash...), and 'he' had to charge the client for the support to fix it, because it was MSFT's fault, not his, yada, yada. Given that, the parent post to my mild flame said that the client had grounds to sue 'him'. Then, my 'flamebait' post.

      My attitude may piss you off, but what really pisses me off is people thinking that that stuff is 'enterprise-ready software with large corporate support', when said support from MSFT is simply nonexistent, their software (bloatware) is ridden with exploitable holes, so you have to always apply their 'corporate supported patches', which turn to also be buggy and break things that worked before, yada, yada... MSFT support is no better than, say, BSD, which is as free as it gets. Actually, it is a lot worse. Try to get to 'support' some BSD servers some day, it is the easiest job in the world.

      The big mistake is that corporate bozos think MSFT today is like IBM in the 'nobody gets fired for buying IBM' days... THAT was some serious (and expensive) 'corporate-backed customer support for hardware and software'.

      And, to end my rant, if you read EULAs of today, 99.9% of them say that the product has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY of any kind, and if your datacenter burns in flames because of it the software manufacturer doesn't give a rat's ass. Who in his right mind will pay money for something with no warranty? I'd rather use some freeware if it does the same thing, the warranty is pretty much the same.

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    29. Re:A Solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, cuz you'd never find anything dangerous running in a default *nix install.

    30. Re:A Solution... by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 1
      These computer end-users are the same people that have to be told:
                          Do not operate toaster outdoors in a wet location.
                          Do not insert fork or other metal object into toaster slots.
                          Do not operate toaster while any part is under water.
                          Do not insert over-sized foods into the toaster.
                          Do not insert metal foil packages into the toaster.
                          Do not place plastic wrapped items into the toaster.
                          Failure to clean crumb tray may result in a risk of fire.
      There's a major difference at work here. A toaster uses rather simple concepts, such as "water+electricity=bad" or "heat+plastic=goo". By contrast, most of the computer is a mistery to the casual user. Most people don't have the required knowledge, not because they're stupid or unwilling, it's because it's too-bloody-much to take in.
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    31. Re:A Solution... by dascandy · · Score: 1

      > Automatic Updates in XP is a great step forward, but it's still opt-in.

      If it's anything like it's on 2k, it's like having a funnel right through your mouth straight through to your stomach shoving stuff down and calling that opting-in to eat dinner.

    32. Re:A Solution... by Secrity · · Score: 1

      Most users don't even know that there is a major difference between a toaster and a computer. Personal computer users in general either need to be educated or the computers that they use need to be made as safe as a toaster. Electricity is still a mystery to many people. I had a person attempt to give me serious grief because I had put a plastic fork along with my food into a microwave oven -- she pointed to a "NO SILVERWARE IN MICROWAVE" sign. She had no idea that there was a difference between putting a stainless steel fork in a microwave and putting a plastic fork in a microwave. I didn't even bother to explain to her how a metal fork can be safely put into a microwave as long as some conditions are met. These people are also computer users.

  6. Is it a stretch..... by zogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...to think some of this stuff is officially sanctioned, state sponsored or at least allowed to continue?

  7. The testing process. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would almost as stupid for a company to deploy patches without testing them as it would be to never patch at all.

    So there will be a delay between a patch being released and that patch being deployed on production systems.

    And going into "crisis mode" for 2 weeks, starting the second Tuesday of every month is a bit much to expect of people.

    1. Re:The testing process. by brainboyz · · Score: 1

      Tell that to my company. 'Crisis' mode is every day, all month.

  8. Compartmentalization and openness by l2718 · · Score: 0

    It's interesting to note that the Microsoft Security Bulletin does not disclose the component of the "Server Service" that is subject to the vulnerability. In particular, one cannot simply disable the relevant service. Actually, I don't even know whether their software is built to make such things possible. The reason I'm suspicious is because they recommend blocking certaing ports with a firewall rather than disabling the relevant component.

    I'm completely unfamiliar with MS server software, but there seems to be a sharp contrast this bulletin with standard Unix practice where one can either edit inetd.conf and restrat the daemon (kill -HUP) or use rc.d start/stop scripts depending on the setup.

    1. Re:Compartmentalization and openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      What are you talking about? The "Server" service is the component (handles file, printer, named pipe sharing, etc), and is very easily stopped or disabled.

    2. Re:Compartmentalization and openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's interesting to note that the Microsoft Security Bulletin [microsoft.com] does not disclose the component of the "Server Service" that is subject to the vulnerability. Yes, actually, the bulletin does. The problem is within Netapi32.

  9. Wondering... by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does that mean that if someone reverse-engineers the bot command set, maybe we can send them all a command to shutdown the service?

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    1. Re:Wondering... by httptech · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, actually there is a remove command built in to Mocbot. However, you have to issue the command from the proper user@host mask; something you can't do unless you have admin access to the IRC server.

      An alternative is to use DNS to redirect the bots to a blackhole IRC server where the remove command can be executed. Of course, this only works if you have control over the DNS (e.g. an ISP redirecting their own users). Getting someone responsible for the authoritative DNS server is not likely to happen given the Chinese origin.

    2. Re:Wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could modify your hosts file...

  10. If users need to patch.... by Mantrid42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know that the patching after you're infected may not do you much good, except to prevent reinfection after you clean your system, but why don't viruses and worms start doing things like pretending to be a firewall and blocking sites like microsoft.com, or monitor what you search for and prevent you from searching for its own name?

    1. Re:If users need to patch.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I want to know is, how do you apply the patch without using Internet Explorer and without enabling certain services that have nothing to with the problem, and everything to do with Microsoft spyware.

  11. The problem with that assertion.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is that their patches generally involve strengthening not only system security for the user, but system security for use by ms against the user (e.g. DRM)

    prime examples so far - bundling of windows genuine advantage with security patches and xbox 360 forced updates through live.

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    1. Re:The problem with that assertion.. by DeadChobi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just thought I'd take a moment out of my busy day to inform you that you don't need to install WGA if you don't want to. You can still continue patching your machine. Why, just the other day I got the latest security updates from Microsoft. WGA isn't being forced on anyone who is savvy enough to know that they don't want it.

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  12. Internet the weakpoint? by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Suppose the bots all used AIM or MSN Messenger servers. Would you demand that those be taken down?

    The weak point is not IRC or any other communications method. The weak point is software that's so easy to exploit it has new "critical" patches every month [insert tampon jokes here].

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    1. Re:Internet the weakpoint? by iced_773 · · Score: 1


      It's a lot harder to exploit now. I guess the patch that came before the last one must have done something to the updater itself, because when these critical updates came out, my laptop nagged me like a four-year-old every five minutes about rebooting until I finally gave in.

      I'm not really complaining. From now on, any new computer that Joe Average gets (or if he happens to update his current box) will make sure at least Windows is up to date. Now, if only Joe knew that AVs have to be updated...

    2. Re:Internet the weakpoint? by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Uhm... I would say that the weak point is the guy who writes this kind of stuff in the first place? No matter how unsecure an OS is, or how guilt-free the (supposedly) illegal usage of IRC servers get, still the blame lies with the malware writer.
      You're kinda saying that strong encryption is responsible for its illegal usage by criminals, or that the "easily exploitable" p2p networks are responsible for IP infringment: but the technology has no responsibility, it's always a human being who actually *breaks* stuff.
      Responsibility for this piece of malware lies not with IRC or Windows but with the author.

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  13. Could be by twitter · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're running norton you've got bigger problems than this worm.

    Is that true? I don't have any of these problems and would like to find out. Is there a Debian version of this Norton? What kinds of problems can I expect if I install it?

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    1. Re:Could be by The+Bungi · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Oh god twitter, that's hilarious. Just yesterday you were modded down to -1 for attempting the same "joke".

      I guess some things just don't change.

    2. Re:Could be by iced_773 · · Score: 1

      You don't want Norton. In my experiences, it finds viruses where there are none, and fails to find any real viruses. In fact, I have often recommended for home users to replace a full subscription to it with AVG Free.

  14. make them use free software. by twitter · · Score: 1

    Find a way to make the average user patch software. As wonderful as it would be if all software was completely bug free and contained no security holes, it's simply impossible.

    It's very easy with Debian's stable distribution:

    1. point to security.debian.org
    2. apt-get update
    3. apt-get upgrade

    That's it, all done and it never breaks anything.

    If it were that easy to upgrade commercial software, users would do it but it's not. Commercial software lacks both the resources to fix things and the ability to co operate so that everything is in one place. Worse, some nameless companies in Redmond use their "patch" system to change EULAs and sabotage other people's software. It's unlikely the average user will ever bother to wade through the cesspool of monthly critical patches from every vendor to brave the very real risk is breakage of their holy, one and only PC. They are going to sit back and laugh at those who do when they too, just like M$ themselves, get broken.

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    1. Re:make them use free software. by iced_773 · · Score: 1
      It's very easy with Debian's stable distribution:
      It's even easier with Windows - it's called Automatic Update (SP1 or later) and it does it all itself and the only part you have to worry about is when it asks you to reboot, and you click Restart Now. Alternatively, you can follow these steps:
      1. Go to Start->All Programs->Microsoft Update.
      2. Click the button labelled Express (if you're not the Joe Average sort and you want more options, you can click Custom).
      3. If there are new updates, I think you click Install Now, but thanks to Automatic Update I haven't had to go past Step 2 in a long time.
      That's it. Not even a command-line.

      all done and it never breaks anything
      I've never had an update actually break anything, but then again, I'm not a sysadmin dumb enough to put XP on a high-end server. That's what CentOS/RedHat and Windows Server 2003 are for.

      If it were that easy to upgrade commercial software, users would do it but it's not
      Joe Average isn't going to update anything that even requires ONE step. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and as long as he can do his everyday computing activities, it ain't broke. Botnets attacking someone else? Not his problem.

      Commercial software lacks both the resources to fix things
      Resources? They're making money off the software, so don't even start about resources. Does free software make the publishers money?

      the ability to co operate so that everything is in one place
      The case in question is Microsoft, where different teams can communicate, just like different open-source developers. If you had been talking about two different vendors, however, you would have had a point.

      Worse, some nameless companies in Redmond use their "patch" system to change EULAs and sabotage other people's software
      Can you provide proof that they actually sabotage (as in deliberately subvert) other software?

      It's unlikely the average user will ever bother to wade through the cesspool of monthly critical patches from every vendor to brave the very real risk is breakage of their holy, one and only PC.
      As I've already said, Joe Average thinks his computer works just fine, why would he update?

      They are going to sit back and laugh at those who do when they too, just like M$ themselves, get broken
      If I can type this on a fully up-to-date WinXP laptop, how then is it broken?
    2. Re:make them use free software. by Firehed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any updating system that requires users to type in commands, especially any commands not written in plain English ("Patch my computer.[return]"), will fail miserably among the mainstream users. Let's face facts here - Windows Update is *easier* than that. Safer? No. Forces EULA changes? Yep. But it's automatic and requires absolutely NO thinking on the part of the end-user. An update system that requires the user to do pretty much anything besides clicking 'OK' at the automatic installation prompt isn't going to work.

      We need a best of both worlds solution here. Windows Update is an excellent concept. But the execution sucks for the reasons you specified - EULA changes, WGA, poor/untested/damaging patches. It needs work. But in the long run, it'll be a lot more successful and helpful than any apt-get command, or anything else that's not entirely automatic beyond authorizing changes.

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    3. Re:make them use free software. by twitter · · Score: 1
      Can you provide proof that they actually sabotage [reference.com] (as in deliberately subvert) other software?

      No, it takes a court of law to prove something like that. All I can do is point you to the DRDos and Netscape trails, where your government used M$ internal emails to prove sabotage and other nasty behavior. You will have trouble finding the DRDOS case because M$ and SCO had it shredded.

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    4. Re:make them use free software. by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      No 'twitter', the OP is asking you to provide proof of your claims. Even a link with some "OMFG my app is being sabotaged by Microsoft" proof would help. Please provide specific examples of your claim. Otherwise all you have is a bunch of "M$ Windoze is teh suxx" bullshit that everyone with half a brain has problems taking seriously.

      Oh, and the OP took his time to reply to your post point by point - it would be nice for your credibility if instead of just doing some selective quoting you could reply with some concrete arguments to your childish conspiracy theories and outrageous claims.

    5. Re:make them use free software. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you still at it willy?

    6. Re:make them use free software. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used Ubuntu recently?
      Clicky clicky, nothing more. Brilliant.

  15. As I understand it... by JetScootr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MS06-040 is a vulnerability that allows an attacker to take over a PC whose only crime is running Windows while connected to the internet. No user action required.
    It looks like the blog on technet calls the current attack "extremely small" and "extremely targeted" - to only those PCs running W2K, which as I understand it, is millions of bidniz PCs.
    This is like calling 911 and having the dispatcher say "It can't be a very bad fire if it's only in the kitchen! Call us back when it gets to attic."

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    1. Re:As I understand it... by gregarican · · Score: 3, Informative
      ...a PC whose only crime is running Windows while connected to the internet...

      Actually it's a PC who is running Windows with open Microsoft Networking ports open while connected to the Internet. Big difference. There are many holes over the years that have been exposed with the NT LAN Manager networking stack that have led to these ports being blocked at the firewall as standard practice. Going back to 1997 from what I recall someone could open up an anonymous IPC$ pipe with an NT box and create their own admin account. Things have improved since then, but anyone who has these ports up and listening on the Internet is an idiot. Back in 2000 my company got its first DSL router for Internet acccess. Even that hardware came with an option just called "Microsoft Networking" blocks. Of course patch your boxes. Keep them updated. This would avoid some local host getting something propagated through your LAN/WAN. But as for the Internet aspect, God knows people should have learned. Ports 137, 138, 139, and 445 should be nowhere to be found from the Internet!

    2. Re:As I understand it... by Osty · · Score: 1

      This is like calling 911 and having the dispatcher say "It can't be a very bad fire if it's only in the kitchen! Call us back when it gets to attic."

      If you're going to use bad analogies, it's closer to, "Your house burned down because you were using 50 year old wiring that wasn't up to code. We inspected your house and even offered to update all of your wiring for free, and you declined. Now your house is on fire, and we can send out a fire truck, but there's really nothing more we can do as it'll be ash by the time the fire response gets there. We suggest you get out of the house now and start thinking about how you're going to fix this correctly when you rebuild."

    3. Re:As I understand it... by gregarican · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points. +1 fo shizzle...

  16. Futurama by Slashdiddly · · Score: 1

    I just read the title and wondered if I woke up in the year 3000...

  17. Blocking outgoing IRC ports effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IRC botnets have been common for years. I have been blocking outgoing standard IRC ports for years as well on my home network, 6660-6669, 31337, and 5555 at least. I know a bot or person can connect on any port but my blocks have worked in the past. Am I wasting my time?

    More info..
    Defualt deny would be a better choice but with one kid and myself PC gaming, that has been a major PITA. My other kid only gets 5190 to the world, http is handled by a transparent squid proxy locally as is DNS. I solved our console gaming issues with a different subnet. The PSP, Xbox, PS2, WAP(with TKIP), and VOIP is the only thing on that subnet, it has no connection to our main home network and I deny my actual computers mac addresses to prevent accidently plugging a computer into that network. That subnet has almost no filters, okay, hack my PSP, big deal.

    1. Re:Blocking outgoing IRC ports effective? by paulmer2003 · · Score: 1
      I have been blocking outgoing standard IRC ports for years as well on my home network, 6660-6669, 31337, and 5555 at least. I know a bot or person can connect on any port but my blocks have worked in the past. Am I wasting my time?

      Yes. Although stupid botnet 'herders' may have their botnet ircds listening on the default port (6667), anyone who is even a half wit is smart enough to change that to something utterly random.

      Besides, why block IRC - IRC is so fun :)

    2. Re:Blocking outgoing IRC ports effective? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. Although stupid botnet 'herders' may have their botnet ircds listening on the default port (6667), anyone who is even a half wit is smart enough to change that to something utterly random.

      Besides, why block IRC - IRC is so fun :)


      Indeed, which is why some of us irc admins open up port 8080 so anyone has a fair chance at losing their job.

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  18. Cha-ching, another fan. by twitter · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just yesterday you were modded down to -1 for attempting the same "joke".

    So, you read my posts before you mod them? Great. Would you like to subscribe to my newsletter, Buggy?

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    1. Re:Cha-ching, another fan. by The+Bungi · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      So, you read my posts before you mod them?

      No, I don't mod. I just happened to be reding through the story comments and unfortunately I noticed yours. It's always a pain to read what you write.

      Would you like to subscribe to my newsletter

      OMFG, ROFL and all that. Always the comedian, good old twitter.

    2. Re:Cha-ching, another fan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical open-source zealot. Even your jokes are old and busted.

  19. Wormhole Video by Chemkook · · Score: 1

    Video of a real life worm hole ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MGfEVBs1s

    1. Re:Wormhole Video by fuego451 · · Score: 1

      You probably already know this but the video shows a missile launch from Vandenberg AFB, CA. Something the folks of SoCal are very familiar with and which can be a bit disconcerting when viewed for the first time as evidenced by the tone of the woman's voice in the video.

  20. The sad thing by DimGeo · · Score: 1

    The sad thing is that I could almost understand what you were saying!

  21. Worm Hole Not Protected? by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

    I thought DS9 and a cluster of self-replicating mines was supposed to protect the MS06-040? Or is this a different worm hole? Are the "Botnet Herders" a Dominion force?

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  22. Re:More Red COMMIE BASTARDS at their usual asshole by Ash+Vince · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whats normal? American soldiers raping indiginous folk in whatever part of the world they are fucking up (Iraq)?

    Stop being such an ignorant twat. The US also turns a blind eye to crimes far worse if they a bit of an embarrasment overseas.

    The US also point blank refuses to allow their soldiers to be subject to any laws except thier own when they are serving overseas. So why should any other nations hand criminals over to the US if they wont do the same in return.

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  23. They weren't saying to take the IRC server down... by FliesLikeABrick · · Score: 1

    The point isn't to "Demand that the server be taken down," but rather for law enforcement personnel to go to the channel and find who is giving the botnet commands, then track that user down and prosecute him for what he is doing.

  24. Re:They weren't saying to take the IRC server down by twitter · · Score: 1
    The point isn't to "Demand that the server be taken down," but rather for law enforcement personnel to go to the channel and find who is giving the botnet commands, then track that user down and prosecute him for what he is doing.

    If true, that's hardly a problem unique to IRC. The root cause remains Windoze.

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  25. Re:More Red COMMIE BASTARDS at their usual asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Whats normal? American soldiers raping indiginous folk in whatever part of the world they are fucking up (Iraq)?

    Stop being such an ignorant twat. The US also turns a blind eye to crimes far worse if they a bit of an embarrasment overseas.

    The US also point blank refuses to allow their soldiers to be subject to any laws except thier own when they are serving overseas. So why should any other nations hand criminals over to the US if they wont do the same in return.


    Firstly, the soldiers are going to be courts martialed.

    Secondly, we don't have to play nicely. If you catch one of our folks on your turf fucking up then by all means grab them, but don't expect us to extradite just because you request it. You don't have a big enough stick with which to beat us or a big enough carrot with which to entice us to comply.

    Thirdly, might makes right. Deal with it. If you don't hand them (criminals) over expect anything from economic and diplomatic retaliation to an armed response. The Chinese are going to do the same favor for us here in 10-20 years when they take over. And if you think the US plays hardball, you haven't seen anything yet.

    The US, China, and Russia are in a unique club: they do not have to take shit off the rest of the world. Yeah, I'm talking to you Old Europe.
  26. You misunderstood my analogy... by JetScootr · · Score: 1

    In my analogy, it's the INDUSTRY calling 911, not an individual. MS, when speaking on the technet blog, is describing the impact of the virus on the internet as a whole. In the analogy, the burning house represents the vulnerable systems on the internet, and the dispatcher (MS) is saying the fire (MS06-040) is unimportant because "only part of the kitchen is burning" == "only some vulnerable systems are being attacked". I do agree that MS products, in general, implement older technologies ("50 year old wiring"), and after MS's inspection of their own products, MS decides not to "update the wiring" except when forced by industry or circumstances (like Blaster). And I really don't think MS would ever suggest to the industry to "get out of the house" when "the house" is Windows. As to the other poster who described all the details of what's wrong that makes MS boxen easy targets, I would remind same poster that MS was pressured by the industry for years and several major releases of Windows to stop shipping the product with all the services on and ports open. The fact that the poster knows of industry response (hw coming with "MS Networking blocks option") shows that the poster should know it's MS that releases unprotected products that others have to react to.

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    1. Re:You misunderstood my analogy... by Osty · · Score: 1

      I do agree that MS products, in general, implement older technologies ("50 year old wiring"), and after MS's inspection of their own products, MS decides not to "update the wiring" except when forced by industry or circumstances (like Blaster). And I really don't think MS would ever suggest to the industry to "get out of the house" when "the house" is Windows.

      If you're going to claim I misunderstood your analogy, you should at least try to understand mine. I wasn't saying that Microsoft implements older technology and then fails to update it. I said that the person with the burning house was using older technology (Windows 2000) and that person refused to update (install the patch, at least, or upgrade to Win2k3). Suggesting that the user "get out of the house" is more like, "get that machine quarantined so you can fix it without exposing it yourself to more security risks." Even if I did mean it as you interpreted, Microsoft certainly would tell you get get off of win2k and upgrade to win2k3.

      I would remind same poster that MS was pressured by the industry for years and several major releases of Windows to stop shipping the product with all the services on and ports open.

      And they've done that (see Windows 2003). Problem is, this bug is for Windows 2000, which did suck like you say (just like Redhat sucked at the time, for instance).

  27. We already use trade sanctions... by glindsey · · Score: 1

    In all seriousness, couldn't the world community impose "Internet sanctions" on a country, cutting them off from the Internet at large until they take action against these sorts of people? We already impose trade sanctions for other offenses. Of course, somebody will invariably point out that no one entity owns the Internet, thus such sanctions would be hard to enforce; I don't buy that for a second. You may not be able to completely cut a country off from the Internet, but you could, say, have backbone servers and routers deny access to certain IP blocks.

    You know, basically a "play nice or don't play at all" sort of rule.

    1. Re:We already use trade sanctions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'd end up with parts of the US banned immediately for the simple fact that there are more PCs and broadband per capita. You'd end up with ISP's scanning your machines to find "suspicious" stuff that can get their netblock disconnected. You'd end up with higher ISP costs for the responsabilities and countermeasures they'd have to take. Shall i go on?

  28. Re:They weren't saying to take the IRC server down by iced_773 · · Score: 1

    Actually, the root cause is human nature. No matter what protocol/OS/browser becomes popular or available, someone will try to break it. Windows is popular now, so it would be the logical choice for which to develop an attack. If Windows falls out of favor when Vista is released as you have many times predicted here, and Linux becomes more mainstream, you can be assured that our less civilized members of society will be looking for a way to crack it. The wise old verse still holds true: "Seek, and ye shall find."

  29. Re:More Red COMMIE BASTARDS at their usual asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, the US don't have to take shit "off" the rest of the world; they're being shat upon enough by their own government as it is, effing dimwit losers