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16GB Flash USB Dongle

Derek Dongle writes "This is great — Toshiba plans to bring out a limited edition 16GB USB dongle. What would you do with 16GB in your pocket? Who knows? As the writer of this story says, "It may be one of the occasional cases of: who cares? It's a 16GB USB drive that fits in your pocket and weighs 12 grams!" I'm not quite sure I want to call it a dongle. At 8x2 cm it's not the smallest thing to attach to a keychain. But at 16 GB you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. I keep a 1GB stick on my keychain, which is enough for almost anything.

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  1. But... by vnangia · · Score: 4, Funny

    640K should be enough for anyone!

    1. Re:But... by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey if it's enough for the NES, Gameboy, GBA, SNES, Gamegear, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Original PC, most pocket organizers, wrist watches, VCRs, automated robots, door locks, garage door openers, bank machines, your mother, optical mice, printers, monitors, FAX machines, VoIP phones and smart cards, it's good enough for me.

      You is not funny.

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    2. Re:But... by C-Shalom · · Score: 2

      I would think that 64GB should be enough for anyone! But it's never enough.
      Talk about something you'd really hate to loose.

    3. Re:But... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, you bring up a good point with this flash stick. Check out the numbers:

      Memory Size 64GB
      Write Speed 1 MB/s

      If these things are gonna be larger and larger, they're really gonna have to work on the speed. The stick you point out would need to be partitioned and used in an LVM-like fashion (add partitions as you need space), simply because formatting it would take almost 18 hours.

      Granted -- after initial formatting, you wouldn't need to write 64GB all at once to the stick, but even for "smaller" items (DVD-quality movies, large quantities of music, etc), you're still talking a little over an hour.

      Capacity is wonderful -- if it's actually practical to use.

    4. Re:But... by C-Shalom · · Score: 2, Informative
      I realized that after I posted it. However looking at other high capacity drives I'm noticing a similar trend of slow speeds.

      Although this one is one of the "better" ones I've come across.
      -Supports USB Specification 1.1/2.0
      -Full compliance with Universal Serial Bus Specification v2.0
      -USB 2.0 data transfer rate up to 480Mbps at "High Speed"
      -USB 2.0 is 40X faster than USB 1.1
      -Speed: Read 8M bit/sec, Write 6.4M bit/sec (Max)

      Such double speak in only a few lines, it's great.
    5. Re:But... by awing0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You wouldn't need to write zeros to the whole thing to format it unless you wanted to check for bad blocks. However, every write will reduce its lifespan so I wouldn't waste it with zeros in the first place. Some operating systems call is a quick format, but I just omit the -c from mkfs.

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    6. Re:But... by malraid · · Score: 4, Funny

      My life fits in 50 punched cards

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  2. How about some more *durable* flash drives? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Speaking of carrying the flash drive on your keychain, how about we see some more DURABALE flash drives for your keychain? So far, the only drive I've seen on the market recently that's worth its salt is the Lexar Jumpdrive Sport (with a strong rubber boot that fits snuggly around it and a strong metal body). But it only goes up to 1 GB.

    Let's face it, most "keychain" drives are flimsy affairs made of plastic, with tops that pop off easily--hardly the kind of thing you want to carry around every day in your pocket (especially if you're active). I wouldn't every want to drop these things, much less think of them going through the wash or getting banged around by my keys.

    How about we see some more durable drives in larger sizes? Hell, I'd be willing to pay a premium for something I could rely on to take a beating.

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    1. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by rogabean · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about we see some that are reliable in general?

      My 256MB Lexar thumb drive has worked great for the past year of heavy usgae, but my 2 Memorex 1GB both failed after 4 months of usage. I'm currently using a 4GB PNY Attache thumb drive. I will agree it's flimsy and I don't have much hope of it lasting either. Hell I have a 16MB Dell thumb drive that is still working great even after 3 years of heavy use! Yet the larger ones always seem to have a pretty unacceptable failure rate.

      I really can't see needing 16GB's of storage in my pocket when I'm having trouble finding usgae for the 4GB's I currently have. I'd like to see how reliable this 16GB drive is as well before I even think about it. It seems to me the larger the flash drive, the less reliable it is long term. I'm not sure why though, and YMMV.

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    2. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by kingkoopaunion · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about we see some more durable drives in larger sizes? Hell, I'd be willing to pay a premium for something I could rely on to take a beating.

      Well, In the back of most free city papers, you can find all sorts of ads for businesses which provide the services described...

    3. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      I want to murder the engineers who designed the flash drives that the strap attaches to the CAP. What were they thinking?

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    4. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by AnonymousKev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They were thinking people would rather have 2 pounds of keys attached to the cap on the desk, instead of working with gravity to pull the flash drive outta the USB port.

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    5. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      So I can lose the drive, but I get to keep the cap?

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    6. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by archen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Umm... what's a wocket?

      something elmer fudd uses to get to the moon?

    7. Re:How about some more *durable* flash drives? by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems like a case of "they don't make them like they used to" to me. The smaller ones you mention, I'm guessing, are early generation models where the company put some thought into the design.

      As the price of flash goes down and competition increases the margins on selling these things get razor thin and suddenly everyone's out to reduce their cost by making cheaper, inferior housing for them and probably making sacrifices on the actual flash itself.

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  3. Losing your keys... by Langfat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just think how frustrated you get when you lose your keys at the moment...now imagine 16gb going missing with them!

  4. Pardon me by with_him · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that a Flash Drive in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me.

    1. Re:Pardon me by mancunian_nick · · Score: 4, Funny
      Aww you beat me to it ... obviously great minds think alike. :)

      Then again, I can just imagine it now ... My dongle's bigger than your dongle!! :)

    2. Re:Pardon me by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      If an 8cm dongle in your pocket can be mis-identified as arousal, something is terribly wrong with either you or the woman making the comment.

      No offense to anyone with a true microdongle, of course.

    3. Re:Pardon me by Klaidas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Soo, you have a 8cm long friend which can be confused with a USB flash drive?

    4. Re:Pardon me by jawtheshark · · Score: 3, Funny

      Q: Why are women bad at parking cars?

      A: Because men keep telling them that this <----------------------> is 8 inches!

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    5. Re:Pardon me by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Q: Why are women bad at parking cars?
      > A: Because men keep telling them that this <----------------------> is 8 inches!

      I don't get the joke. I read /. on a 200" room projector, you insensitive clod!

      (...because I tried watching pr0n on it once, and I'm still having nightmares about shoggoths!)

  5. A Full System Install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This would be perfect for all those times when I've had to repair a computer and the OS has been completely fubared but I still need to try to repair or save settings and files.

    1. Re:A Full System Install by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We use the PNY 4GB's at work to contain a Ghost image for our standard workstation image, XPSP2 + Hotfixes + Office 2k3 + More Hotfixes + Standard Apps = almost 2GB exactly, then we have the other post-install files hanging around w/ room to spare.

      Right now we are using BartPE (XPE) to boot XPSP2 and run Ghost, I'm looking at putting Bart on the USB drive too, if possible.

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  6. Too long by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?

    Probably sit on it and break it. 8 cm long? Not short enough to prevent bending it should I sit on something that could act as a lever... like the edge of a subway seat.
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  7. Re:Unless it is affordable... by mgblst · · Score: 4, Informative

    It will be at least $400 I would say, since they mention at 64gig drive for $1600 in the article. It will possibly be more, since it is smaller and a "limited edition".

    Not sure why it is "limited edition", since surely we are just going to see bigger and bigger USB drives, as we have in the past.

  8. If you keep your life on it by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please, for the children, use TrueCrypt.

  9. Do you even own one? by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This comment sounds like someone who always talks about "how durable" these drives are withotu actually owning one.

    I have has my 512 MB thumb drive go through the wash no less than 3 times. I have had it dropped, stepped on countless times. Never once have I lost data and it still wokrs fine to this day.

    Flash drives **are durable**, much more so than any DVDR or CDR are. Lexar even makes a hardened case version that can be run over with a car.

    1. Re:Do you even own one? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      My 1GB drive has been through the washer-dryer three times and still appears to work fine. The wash cycle covers it in water, and the dryer then gives it a healthy dose of static electricity.

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    2. Re:Do you even own one? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You already have a post above yours from someone that has owned several and generally had problems.

      I would expect it to be a lot more durable than a DVD or CD - these things cost a lot more! A DVD blank is under $1. There are 16GB thumb drives but they cost $750. I think the 4GB drives are around $100, which is about 100x the cost per GB. I expect the more expensive device to be a lot more durable.

      The usage is a lot different too, not too many people tried carrying optical discs in their pockets, but that fits the thumb drive.

  10. What to do with it? by in2mind · · Score: 5, Funny
    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?

    Windows Vista Service Pack 1 !

  11. Re:Unless it is affordable... by BunnyClaws · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...like maybe $150 at the MOST - i'll stick with buying the small external USB harddrives. Ok so the hard drives are bigger, but they still fit in most of my pockets *and* I get 80 gig.... for easily less than $100.


    I agree why would I want to buy something that only stores 16 gigs for over a $150? Besides what would I store on it, Music? No, I can store more than 16 gigs on my MP3 player. If I need a big portable storage for data I will spend the money on an external USB drive. The 16 gigs is to much for a flash drive right now. It won't be cheap and your better off going with an external USB drive.

    It seems to be overkill for anything I normally would use a flash drive for and to small to carry music on. It's an odd duck.
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  12. There's never enough storage ... by bestinshow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "But at 16gb you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. I keep a 1GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything."

    Two years ago it would have been:

    But at 1GB you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. I keep a 64MB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything.

    Four years ago it would have been:

    But at 64MB you could keep a good bit of your life there, provided you aren't working in audio or video. The convenience would make this a useful investment and allow us to throw the good old floppy away for good.

    In 2010 it'll be:

    But at 512GB you could keep a good bit of your life there. I keep a 32GB stick on my keychain which is enough for almost anything.

    1. Re:There's never enough storage ... by Filik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually I think we could scratch "audio" now that we are at 16Gb. You _can_ keep a good bit of your audio life within 16Gb. 4000 mp3's or 400 recordings/podcasts.

  13. Booting and security ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the TFA:

    > Vista will be able to boot off flash drives and, just possibly, U3 flash drives will turn PCs into thin clients.

    I predict a return of the boot virus and you won't even know you're carrying it to every box, just because the last one didn't boot right. And btw, Vista can also walk your dog, make breakfast and do your homework - just like it used to be able to do WinFS and so many other wonderful things which later got pulled.

    Once as an experiment, I turned on BOOTP on my linux server in office and loaded up a 14 Mb initrd into the tftpd, during the weekend. To my surprise, on monday half the office machines were booting into a linux command line and all the administrators were tearing their hair out.

    Secondly, most offices I know are starting to disable their USB connectors and some of the better ones are disabling the USB data pins (ipods still charge, but no copying). 16 Gb is a lot of data that can be pulled out of a place, especially with something which is magnet free (most of these places have scanners for magnetic media).

    But it is a limited edition drive right now ... till people actually work out the possibilities, once it starts getting popular.
    1. Re:Booting and security ... by jonwil · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with disabling USB is that more and more machines (especially from the big OEMs) use USB for both keyboard and mouse (my home machine uses USB for mouse and PS2 for keyboard). So you cant completly disable USB.

  14. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I keep wondering who these silly people are who piss on the parade, every time. I expect a healthy chunk of Slashdotters to say "so what!" The submitter is, at best, completely unexcited. I mean, even the author has the "I don't know what it's good for but yeeehaw."

    16GB on a USB dongle/keychain is great! Finally, I can slap a few different movie choices, compressed, and a mess load of mp3s when I head over to visit friends for an evening or family for an afternoon, all without needing a notebook or similar device to hold it. It'd be great to show up for a night of fun and be able to have 10 different comedies movies on your keychain, so your buddies can have a little selection. How about showing up to your sisters house with a dozen Disney/Pixar flicks for the kids to watch... all without scratching a DVD? And, yes, it further pushes into the peripheral (no pun) territory of the iPod's benefits as multipurpose portable storage.

    I hope more people release similar sized usb dongles. And large ones. It all helps drive down the price.

    1. Re:Yeah but... by Andrewkov · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're saying large USB dongles promote piracy?

    2. Re:Yeah but... by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please wait by the phone, the RIAA/MPAA lawyers will be calling shortly.

    3. Re:Yeah but... by VolciMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So you're saying large USB dongles promote piracy?

      No more than do external hard drives, or any other portable media.

      The potential of bad uses shouldn't preclude any good uses.

    4. Re:Yeah but... by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2

      I keep wondering who these silly people are who piss on the parade, every time.

      like with every gadget, it's great for some people and just not enough for other people. Like when the 40GB iPods came out, people were bitching that it wasn't 100GB and half the size.

      now, I think the best use for this device for be for the handheld console hacker community. It'd be pretty sweet to access this via your PSP or DS and get access to some serious content (movies, games, ROMs, etc). 16GB in such a small space (especially compared to carrying a plethora of UMDs, and it's TINY compared to a PSP) in a single device is a great thing for PSP owners.

      could also be a nice compliment for other handheld devices.

      speaking of which, when are devices (namely PDAs and cell phones) going to have a USB port for supplemental storage?! I mean, to be able to add 16GB of music to your cell phone or your Palm by snapping something in like that would be great. Sure, they've got memory stick ports, but those aren't quite as universal as USB drives. you could even attach a 500GB USB harddrive to it.

      and for those of you who'd complain about a 8cm bar poking out at a 90 degree angle from yer cell, I'm sure someone could make an adapter to make the USB device go parallel to the cell/pda/etc.

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    5. Re:Yeah but... by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not if you own 10 or so disney/pixar movies and you have put them on the dongle to save space/wear and tear on the disks.

    6. Re:Yeah but... by Luxifer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My boss just looked over my shoulder and said 16 gig! that's two movies!! How much are they?

      It's like giving BB guns to kids.. you know they're gonna get themselves in trouble.

    7. Re:Yeah but... by AnyoneEB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your boss needs to learn about DivX/XviD. 16GB is more like 23 movies. (Assuming 700MB/movie.)

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    8. Re:Yeah but... by winnabago · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is if you are in the US. Ever hear of the DMCA?

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  16. A limited edition? by Klaidas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, it's a *limited edition*?
    Considering "640K shoudl be enough for everyone", we'll be carrying 32GB flashier soon, and the 16GB limited edition won't be anything special :)

  17. Flash Drive OS by neo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be nice to get someone to create a flash drive built for the purpose of an OS. It would have to be more urable than a normal flash drive because of the amount of data involved. Current drives simply don't last long enough under that kind of pressure.

    When you're talking about 16GBs, you could almost do away with your normal hard drive and use web based drives for storage. Portable computers would be lighter. Perhaps you could even increase the speed of the drive with caching (perhaps it's already done...).

    I'd like a flash drive I could put my OS on and not worry about it's data integrity.

    1. Re:Flash Drive OS by PurpleMonkeyKing · · Score: 2, Informative

      You already can install on os on you flash drive. SLAX would definitely be my favorite, since it has KDE, rather than one of the "light" window managers in Puppy, DSL, and the other small live distros use. I even found some directions so you can leave it as Fat.

      You can have SLAX load to ram if you have about 512mb available. As for writing files, I believe that all writes are writen to RAM and when you shut down you are given the option of making writes permanent.

  18. Replacement by tritonman · · Score: 2, Funny

    This would be a great replacement for the 12 inch dongle that's in my pocket currently... er, I mean 12 GB dongle.

  19. got one already, from Apple Computer by bazorg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What would you do with 16GB in your pocket?
    Besides carrying my files in it, I plug in my headphones and listen to music while I'm working out.

  20. Bigger & Bigger, Smaller & Smaller by JPFitting · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When will they learn that this is not what we want. We want things that work, and work for a long time. I am sick of buying things that break after a few years. My grandmother has a vacumn cleaner that has worked for over 20 years. I honestly have yet to find a vacumn cleaner these days that work beyond a few years. I don't care about bigger and better, I care about smarter and tougher. Unless documents become over 5 megabytes a file, I will not spend my money on this. I will spend that same money and a few extra bucks to get a LaCie external hard drive.

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  21. Not sure why the fuss over 16GB USB Flash... by Panaqqa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When Kanguru has introduced a 64GB flash drive (measures 1.5 x 2.5 x 9.2 cm). Link to it here.

    For me at least, the huge $2,799 USD price tag will keep it out of my pocket for at least a little while. But one thing's for sure: prices always come down. Wonder what this will go for this time next year.

  22. Now is a good time by Brunellus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ....for flash storage in notebooks. I for one would LOVE a notebook with "only" 16 GB of storage...provided that 16 GB was flash. No spinning motors and platters means a more useful, portable device.

  23. Obligatory Response Required by kid_oliva · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't help myself... with a strong rubber boot that fits snuggly around it, especially if you're active, pay a premium for something I could rely on to take a beating
    That's what she said!!!

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  24. OLD NEWS by dbrez8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Kanguru has had a 16GB drive out for over 3 months. Why is this interesting new news? http://www.kanguru.com/flashdrive_max.html

  25. transfer rate? by waffleman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most folks that I know use usb flash drives for backup and sneaker-net transfer. I wonder what the tranfer rate will be on this. Filling a 1G drive right now takes a fair while. If the transfer rates don't go up, having all that extra space doesn't really help you in a practical -I need to get this copy done and catch the bus in 10 minutes- kind of way.

  26. Just make sure you know it's there... by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I backed up my files to my flash drive, and then left it in the USB port and proceeded to upgrade Solaris. It kept complaining that my primary boot drive was only 512M and only had 15M free. I thought something was fuxx0r3d with my partition table, until I saw what the mount point was... At least now I know my box can boot from USB, that may come in handy, given a sufficiently sad set of circumstances.

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  27. Re:BTW do that have a good directory structure? by tuffy · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's a limitation of the filesystem the drive is formatted with. If you're willing to sacrifice some cross-platform portability, you should be able to format the drive as NTFS, ext3 or some other filesystem that's not so limited.

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  28. That might be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "But at 16 GB you could keep a good bit of your life there,"

    Yea, if you're an empty shell of a human being.

  29. It's not the size of a man's dongle that matters.. by objekt · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...rather it's..umm...I got nothing.

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  30. SPEED! by kylehase · · Score: 2, Informative

    Size is good and all but we really need speed. With the popularity of porable apps and U3 technology we're really going to need a push for speed. Recent speed comparison of some flash drives I use portable apps such as portable ethereal, firefox, thunderbird, portaputty and I love them but the larger apps or apps with large data such as thunderbird really lag even on USB 2.0 flash drives. Correct me if I'm wrong but the bottleneck is not the USB bus but the flash.

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  31. who cares? You can already by a 64GB usb drive. by gnasby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    umm... 16GB usb dongle drive made by Toshiba. big deal.

    A company called Kanguru has been making a 64GB USB dongle drive for quite a while now.

    You can buy it from many places including Tiger Direct ( Kanguru 64GB Flash Max Drive