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Codeweavers Releases CrossOver For Intel Mac

dbialac writes, "Codeweavers, one of the major players in the Wine Project, have released their first beta of CrossOver for Mac. I've downloaded it and played around with it and though there are glitches, it does seem to run programs' standard features quite well."

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  1. Yes, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    CrossOver Mac will be the very best way to run your Windows applications on your Intel based Mac.
    Yes, but does it run Cygwin?
    1. Re:Yes, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

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  2. Most tested apps by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The top 3 most-ranked apps on their compatibility list are Office 2003, iTunes, and... Lotus Notes 6.5.1+.

    To whoever is tasked with trying to make Notes run... on Linux... on a Mac...

    We feel for you man.

    1. Re:Most tested apps by noidentity · · Score: 4, Funny

      And to whoever is tasked with testing the Windows version of iTunes under this environment, have you not yet realized that Apple provides a Mac version?

    2. Re:Most tested apps by log0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      iTunes for Windows allows WMA conversion.

  3. in other news... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    CrossOver Mac will be the very best way to run your Windows applications on your Intel based Mac. It will let you install and run Windows programs as though they were native, all without having to buy or run a copy of Windows itself.

    In other news, the guys over at CherryOS have announced that they have a new product...

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  4. Re:City of Villains by adrianmonk · · Score: 5, Funny
    The one and only Windows program I use is City of Heroes/Villains. I've can get the updater running, which downloads the patches, but then it goes to "Loading", and while my fans go nuts, it never actually produces anything interesting.

    Well, at least you know your public loves you even if you can't get that particular piece of software to do what you'd like. Personally, I never get much attention when I'm installing software, but then maybe I don't do it with enough verve and flair.

  5. Re:Im not sure I understand.. by Red+Alastor · · Score: 4, Informative

    The price you pay covers 6 (or 12 depending on which plan) of support and updates. Past this period, you can still download software you were allowed to but not new software.

    Support is quite good. As opposed to almost any other company I know, they speak English and Hacker (Unix meaning off the word) not corporate (or maybe they know that language, I never initiated a conversation in it). And support also covers fixing any bug that prevents your apps from running if they were garanteed to work.

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  6. Re:City of Villains by Nastard · · Score: 4, Funny
    Personally, I never get much attention when I'm installing software, but then maybe I don't do it with enough verve and flair.

    I recommend a minimum of eight pieces of flair.
  7. Re:Win32 apps will run faster than OSX apps by abergou · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mathematica for Mac OS X is universal.

  8. Re:Seriously--does anyone plan on using this? by CatOne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously?

    What do you mean? Lots of people use Macs for business, or *want* to use Macs for business. Usually (this is assuming an IT department who is reasonable, and more and more actually are), it boils down to one or two business critical applications that are Windows only. Some of the most common ones are:

    * Microsoft Outlook (because Entourage is 98% of the way there... and that's not 100%)
    * Microsoft Project
    * Microsoft Visio
    * Microsoft Access (and custom databases that have become "business critical"
    * Internet Explorer 6 (with all its bastardized VBScript and .NUT client-side proprietary extensions)
    * CAD tools (Pro/E, SolidWorks, etc).

    VM solutions like Parallels (and upcoming VMWare workstation) can do this, as can Boot Camp. But Crossover is lighter weight and works well also. Crossover is a very interesting and exciting option.

    Again, this is predicated on whether IT permits it. I find IT departments are mostly divided into a couple groups:

    * IT feels their job is to dictate technology -- they choose what's most convenient for them to control and manage, and put IT's needs in front of the users needs (i.e. users who want to run Linux or OS X on the desktop must fight and scratch and are sometimes locked out of the network altogether). CrossOver is no use here, nor is Parallels -- you offend the director of IT because he'll fall out of his l337 company with his Microsoft sales rep, and will also offend his staff of 43 MSCEs that are necessary to manage one Exchange instance ;-)

    * IT who feels IT's job is to serve the needs of the business... basically they are willing to deploy and support solutions that have business value (I even heard one CIO say he let users use Macs because it was a competitive differentator when hiring... if a user could run a Mac all day at work he got more productivity out of them... this company ships tens of millions of DVDs to people in the mail every year... they're progressive ;-)

    Crossover is perfect for the second case.

  9. Why? by Danathar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When looking at the apps that are most used in Codeweavers and the ones with some problems.

    Office 2003
    Quicken
    Photoshop
    IE

    All of these are available as Mac Native apps except IE 6. Now maybe thereis some small app I need to run, but why not just wait until the free version of Wine is ported to OS X?

    1. Re:Why? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Informative
      All of these are available as Mac Native apps except IE 6. Now maybe thereis some small app I need to run, but why not just wait until the free version of Wine is ported to OS X?

      Those are the most commonly used apps because Crossover currently is used by Linux users. IE6 is pretty valuable incidentally - depressingly, it's one of the most commonly required apps for desktop Linux migrations in business. There's an entire industry of web app developers out there who wouldn't know browser portability if it walked up and told them its name.

      The real value of Crossover is the fact that it can, in fact, run many other apps just fine. The ones you listed are the supported ones, ie the ones they promise will work. There's a big database called C4 which shows you which other apps have been tested .... some won't work, others will. If there is an app you want to run you can check to find out if it works, and often it will quite well but don't try guessing, it's a bit hit and miss.

      As time goes on, the idea is that more and more apps start working. In practice, this happens quite slowly because a lot of effort in recent years has gone into eliminating reliance on downloaded Microsoft components like MSI, which are still provided for Windows 98 users but will one day disappear. Still, a massive amount of code and improvements goes into every Crossover release - much of it written by CW employees but also a lot comes from the WineHQ community. There has definitely been a lot of progress in the last few years.

  10. Actual facts by gjh · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's very nicely put together. Some thoughts...

    • Software installation and allocation to WINE Bottles is very easy and so on, a nice experience
    • It does not go as far as it might to give a 'Mac-like' experience, for example running apps do not get their own dock icons - but I suppose there would be little practical value since they don't have their own screen-top menus
    • It uses X11 under the hood and mostly hides this. It asks you for the Apple installed disk to grab quartz-wm at install time, but Apple's actual X11 build is not used and presumably what does run runs on different ports
    • It avoids silly things like anti-aliasing, so that Mac users can be happy knowing that "Windows apps are ugly". Having said that, all the important stuff like font metrics is spot on.

    In truth my only regrets were some crashes in Office 2003. It seemed to be unstable in the same ways that the linux version was when I last used it a couple of years ago - i.e. you will have a great experience if you stick to Office 2000, but newer stuff might come unstuck. In the end then - I hope every Mac user goes out and buys this, because at the price it is offered it is a bargain... but CodeWeavers are going to need a lot of unit sales to increase their WINE contributions.

  11. Re:Im not sure I understand.. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As opposed to almost any other company I know, they speak English and Hacker (Unix meaning off the word) not corporate (or maybe they know that language, I never initiated a conversation in it).

    They do know that language, and every employee in the company has a duty to do product support - even the Wine maintainer himself. So, if you are technically conversant you can usually get talking to the person who wrote the misbehaving code in question and there is also an IRC channel, #crossover on FreeNode, where you can go talk to the developers, CEO, support guys etc.

  12. Re:It deserves some credit... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Needless to say, intel-based Macintosh users may want to snatch this up before it goes the way of Connectix Virtual Game Station. I can't imagine Microsoft letting this get by them without a fight, when there are other options that will require users to actually own a copy of Windows.

    This is based on the venerable WINE project and is a clean room reverse engineering of the Windows APIs. It has been around for many years and I doubt it is going to go away anytime soon. The only difference is a mac version is now beta testing.