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Banned Books published by Google

Lens Hood Man writes "Marking the 25th anniversary of Banned Books Week, Google is inviting users to celebrate their freedom to read by making Banned Books available to all. From the Google Blog: "...you can use Google Book Search to explore some of the best novels of the 20th century which have been challenged or banned." Those books challenged this year include 'To Kill a Mockingbird' and 'Lolita'."

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  1. ...except china by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    China will just see a big photo of Mao when you try to load the books on Google. Maybe they could get a backdrop of the glowing fire from a pile of books being burned too!

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  2. Just previews? by Utopia · · Score: 4, Informative

    It seems to just previews not the whole books.

    1. Re:Just previews? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The write-up is missing some context. For more info on what's being banned and why, see here and here.

    2. Re:Just previews? by jZnat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is especially annoying for the books that are public domain...

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    3. Re:Just previews? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      It looked like many of the books were in limited preview (such as 1984)

      Read 1984 in its entirety here.

    4. Re:Just previews? by IAmTheDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's cool - I've read about 60-70% of the books on the list.

      It's odd - Call of the Wild has been challenged?

      It's informative - I've just started reading The Satanic Verses, and now i have a new reading list

      It's missing? - I can't believe Farenheit 451 isn't on that list...

      It's scary - many people in the world are denied access to these books.

      It's scarier - many people in this country would have these books banned

      It's sad - in 100 years, who knows if we'll all still have access to these books.

      It's encouraging - challenges, even recently, to these books in schools and libraries have failed - let's hope history repeats itself in such a fashion for years to come.

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    5. Re:Just previews? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I can't believe Farenheit 451 isn't on that list...
      Has anyone actually been irony-impaired enough to call for a ban on a book about (in part)... banning books?
    6. Re:Just previews? by IAmTheDave · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Has anyone actually been irony-impaired enough to call for a ban on a book about (in part)... banning books?

      No need to let people know the actual consequences of letting governments sensor reading materials...

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    7. Re:Just previews? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or here...

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  3. Re:Homework assignment by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

    Similarly, explain the difference between formal and implicit polymorphism in C++.

    HINT: both involve overloading of terms.

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  4. A bit misleading by jagilbertvt · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Google is inviting users to celebrate their freedom to read by making Banned Books available to all."

    Google has not made these books available to read online, it just gives you the ability to find a library that has the book.

    1. Re:A bit misleading by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Exactly!! I finally understand why book publishers are running scared. All these Limited Previews and Find Libraries links are totally destroying their buisness model.

      Hu.. what???.

  5. these are banned? by brunascle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    these books are actually banned? this lists sounds more like a list of required-reading books than banned books.

    put Anarchist Cookbook on there. i dare you.

    1. Re:these are banned? by kalirion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Headline is misleading. It's "Banned and/or challenged" books, and I have a feeling that most of them have been merely challenged. A parent complaining to the school board about a book seems to be enough to put it in this list. And the ones where were actually "Banned" have merely been banned by one school district or another or some such nonesense. And then the ban was usually overturned. I don't think any of these books are currently banned by the U.S. Government.

    2. Re:these are banned? by kfg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      this lists sounds more like a list of required-reading books than banned books.

      Why do you think there are people who would like to see them banned?

      I've got a friend who was raised a JW who was turned from the path of rightousness by the simple act of reading Have Spacesuit Will Travel. His parents weren't happy (and have been shunning him for decades). He wasn't even allowed to visit a library, but obtained the book by the simple invention of placing a library in a bus; the Bookmobile.

      The book came to him while his parents weren't looking.

      KFG

    3. Re:these are banned? by bbagnall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of these books have been carried everywhere since they were published: in every library, in every book store. As you say, most are actually required reading by government run public highschools. That doesn't seem to be much of a ban. "Jewish Supremacism" by David Duke - now that should make the list. It's officially banned in Canada and gets intercepted at the border and burned. That to me constitutes a real, actual banned book.

    4. Re:these are banned? by Exatron · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cute use of quotation marks to belittle others while completely missing the point. A book can be banned at any level of government. The point of these lists is to show just how stupid banning and challenging books really is.

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  6. Re:I don't see how they are banned books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. banned books? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great! I've been meaning to read up on some musical history.

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  8. A Couple Good Resources for Finding Banned Books by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 5, Informative
    When I was in college I picked up 100 Banned Books: Censorship Histories of World Literature [1] from my college bookstore. It does a great job of categorizing the books based on why/where they were banned, sumarizing the criticism, etc. Also another good list [2] is published by the American Library Association; it's supposedly the most challenged books from 1990-2000.

    [1] http://www.amazon.com/100-Banned-Books-Censorship- Literature/dp/0816040591
    [2] http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlink s/100mostfrequently.htm

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  9. Not all banned/challenged books are meaningful by shoolz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the list of Top 100 challenged books:

    #7 : Harry Potter (Series) by J.K. Rowling
    #19: Sex by Madonna
    #88: Where's Waldo? by Martin Hanford

    1. Re:Not all banned/challenged books are meaningful by Hyram+Graff · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Where's Waldo?" was challenged because of one part in the beach scene where a kid is sticking an ice cream cone on the back of a young lady causing her to lift her topless chest off the ground enough to see breasts. (It should be noted that her top is on the towel under her.)

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    2. Re:Not all banned/challenged books are meaningful by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well check that out. I found it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/52819048@N00/16320528 0/ (Not Safe For Work! Cartoon pron! Sorta.)

      Thanks for the info!

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  10. Project Gutenberg Has Most of Them by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're right. They're not publishing these, just making the searchable by all ... er most (pending China's great firewall).

    A lot of these I have seen on Project Gutenberg.

    Sometimes when I'm dying in my cubicle at work, I open up a random page of James Joyce's Ulysses and drift away ... I was hoping Google would provide the original typesetting (that Joyce was very particular about) but instead it seems I just get a preview :-(

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  11. Re:I don't see how they are banned books... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't see how these are banned books... they might even choose at a community level not to stock your book at the library, that doesn't mean that your book has been banned.

    If the government at any level forbids a library from carrying a book, it has been banned. In addition to that, books have been banned for ownership in certain localities.

    Heck most libraries don't carry everything anyway, I can't go get Hustler and Playboy at my Library. At my local library I can't find copies of the Jane's Reference books, or many other books.

    The difference is, is it the choice of the library or of an external influence? When some of the most popular and requested books, like the Harry Potter books, are not carried by the library because the city council has passed a law preventing the library from carrying them, then they are effectively being censored. This is a common occurrence and something everyone should be aware of.

    There are good books on that list, but you don't need to hype them by saying that they have been banned or censored by "the man." You should take the books as what they are.

    The point is, they have been banned and burned and what is being celebrated is victory over that. The fact that anyone can go online and find a way to get these books is worth celebrating.

  12. Re:Where's Stephen King... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Heinlein. Card. Asimov. Sturgeon. Ellison.

    King's very good, but "the best"?

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  13. Excellent timing. by M-2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering we're coming up on Banned Books Week 2006, this is the perfect time to make these books available.

    And yes, every book that Google has up there has been banned or challenged in public libraries across the country. There are still places where 'To Kill A Mockingbird' or 'Tom Sawyer' are considered improper reading for children - and for adults.

    Good work, Google. Keep on it.

  14. Intellectual dishonesty by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Funny

    these books are actually banned? this lists sounds more like a list of required-reading books than banned books.

    These "Banned Books" lists that librarians like to trumpet tend to be lists of books which were ever banned anywhere by any library at any time, not books which are banned today. So if they can find that some old biddy in Vermont in 1903 didn't like "Huckleberry Finn", it goes straight on the list. The conclusion that you're supposed to draw is that Literature is Under Attack Even Today by Reactionaries who are hiding under your bed.

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    1. Re:Intellectual dishonesty by Elemenope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds like someone doesn't live in hickville. Or belonged to a PTA anywhere. To believe that banning books is either temporally remote or over with is naive AND incorrect. These days parents seem to just are about different stuff, like 'promoting witchcraft' (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings). And sometimes, they succeed for a time (till a suit or injunction slaps them back into shape). Same shite, different decade.

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    2. Re:Intellectual dishonesty by PapayaSF · · Score: 2, Interesting
      These "Banned Books" lists that librarians like to trumpet tend to be lists of books which were ever banned anywhere by any library at any time, not books which are banned today. So if they can find that some old biddy in Vermont in 1903 didn't like "Huckleberry Finn", it goes straight on the list. The conclusion that you're supposed to draw is that Literature is Under Attack Even Today by Reactionaries who are hiding under your bed.

      In general I agree, though there are recent complaints about Huckleberry Finn (because it includes the "n-word").

      But there's another kind of "banning" that doesn't get included: bookstores refusing to carry nonfiction books they don't like. (I know this isn't "censorship" because it doesn't involve government action, but it is a form of "banning.") Recently the famous City Lights bookstore in San Francisco, famous for supporting banned books and authors, told a customer "We don't carry books by fascists" when some asked for a book by Oriana Fallaci, who (ironically) actually fought against real fascists in World War II. There are other cases of books by conservative authors that have been intentionally misfiled by clerks in an attempt to hide them, or of bookstores that refuse to special order a book they don't like. I know this happened to The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS by Michael Fumento when it was published in 1990, but I've never seen it listed as a "banned book."

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  15. Re:Lolita? by plopez · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm waiting for Google to get hit with child pornongraphy charges on that one...

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  16. Google Cut and Paste! by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google Cut and Paste for the LOSE! The correct entry: Go Tell it on the Mountain James Baldwin "Baldwin... has really unusual substantive powers but conventional ingenuity in form...[a] beautiful, furious first novel." - The New York Times Books about Go Tell it on the Mountain followed later by the incorrect entry: The Call of the Wild James Baldwin "Baldwin... has really unusual substantive powers but conventional ingenuity in form...[a] beautiful, furious first novel." - The New York Times Books about The Call of the Wild

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  17. Banned... by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And yet, close to 70% of the books listed there were part of my high school's English curriculum. Not "suggested reading," or anything else we had to read on our own, but part of the coursework over my 4 years of high school. Maybe that's just how we do thing around here, but as "contraversial" as the subject matter of each book may or may not be, I can read that list and remember the ideas presented from each book. I remember discussing the credits and demerits of each concept in an objective way as part of the class. I can't see why anyone would want to ban these literary icons from schools or libraries, when the dissection of each only lends to the ability to think freely and creatively, and develop critical thinking and reasoning skills.

    1. Re:Banned... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps the reason behind banning such books is to PREVENT "the ability to think freely and creatively, and develop critical thinking and reasoning skills".

      Such abilities are dangerous to existing power structures, be they governmental or religious.

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  18. Re:I don't see how they are banned books... by lostboy2 · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the American Library Association:
    What's the Difference between a Challenge and a Banning?
    A challenge is an attempt to remove or restrict materials, based upon the objections of a person or group. A banning is the removal of those materials. Challenges do not simply involve a person expressing a point of view; rather, they are an attempt to remove material from the curriculum or library, thereby restricting the access of others. The positive message of Banned Books Week: Free People Read Freely is that due to the commitment of librarians, teachers, parents, students and other concerned citizens, most challenges are unsuccessful and most materials are retained in the school curriculum or library collection.

    How is the List of Most Challenged Books Tabulated?
    The American Library Association (ALA) collects information from two sources: newspapers and reports submitted by individuals, some of whom use the Challenge Database Form. All challenges are compiled into a database. Reports of challenges culled from newspapers across the country are compiled in the bimonthly Newsletter on Intellectual Freedom (published by the ALA, $40 per year); those reports are then compiled in the Banned Books Week Resource Guide. Challenges reported to the ALA by individuals are kept confidential. In these cases, ALA will release only the title of the book being challenged, the state and the type of institution (school, public library). The name of the institution and its town will not be disclosed.
    So I think it just means that these books have been challenged or banned somewhere, not necessarily everywhere, and they're not necessarily challenged/banned any longer.
  19. Re:Where's Stephen King... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wouldn't touch anything with Dozois's muddy fingerprints on it, ever.

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  20. Re:Homework assignment by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess this means that Google is going to be banned in Alabama libraries? I'm assuming they have libraries in Alabama.

    Kidding! Of course they do.

  21. Re:Lolita? by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 3, Informative
    Fortunately I think that crap has died out,
    This link http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlink s/100mostfrequently.htm is the list of the top 100 banned/challenged books 1990 - 2000. That's only six years ago, and if you think the US has got more liberal in the last six years...
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  22. They hate our freedoms by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

    "This list of books is exactly why we must not fail in our fight against terrorism. Ya see, the terrorists hate our freedom. They hate our way of life. This list of books shows how much they hate us."

    *psst*

    *mumble mumble mumble*

    "America? Really?"

    "Can't we jazz it up to so I can use it in a speech on terrorism? No? Karl will figure out a way."

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  23. Re:I don't see how they are banned books... by AhtirTano · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • 3. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou -- Slavery apologetics.
    • 5. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain -- We wouldn't want people to read anti-slavery propaganda
    • 16. Goosebumps (Series) by R.L. Stine -- Childhood is a happy time, kids shouldn't get scared
    • 22. A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle -- Too many kids were putting on gloves and trying to walk through walls.
    • 40. What's Happening to my Body? Book for Girls: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Daughters by Lynda Madaras -- If you aren't sure how to explain the facts of life to your child, maybe they just shouldn't know.
    • 41. To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee -- If kids learn to judge by facts instead of stereotypes, how are we going to win the War on Terror?
    • 51. A Light in the Attic by Shel Silverstein -- Clearly a metaphor that people should have a clue.
    • 56. James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl -- Reveals Monsanto's trade secrets
    • 61. What's Happening to my Body? Book for Boys: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Sons by Lynda Madaras -- Too many young boys were made to feel inadequate.
    • 88. Where's Waldo? by Martin Hanford -- Pictures of him dressed as Osama bin Laden are clearly taunting the Bush administration.
    • 96. How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell -- Promotes fried foods, which are unhealthy.

    Seriously: So many of the books on this list are completely and totally harmless. I can understand the challenges to "My Dad's Roommate" from a Christian perspective (Don't agree, but understand). But WTF is wrong with Waldo? "How to Eat Fried Worms" is a nice, innocent book. My mother is a conservative Mormon, and she loves to read it to her First Grade class every year.

    The fact that many of these books make these lists says a lot about the mentality of people who want to ban books.

  24. Re:Where's Stephen King... by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd hardly call Heinlein a "hack". I'm not saying he's the most important writer ever, but a "hack"? No.

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  25. Re:Banning a book is ok! by funwithBSD · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't believe I am responding to an ANON.

    But...

    Let me remind you that the Islamic-Fascist's go one better: attempt to kill the author.

    Salman Rushdie and the cartoonists that drew the Mohammed cartoons in Denmark have had to live in hiding, Theo van Gogh was silenced forever by them.

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  26. Interesting use of the word banned. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they are banned how is it I can go buy them? A more honest and less inflammatory term would be controversial books. At least in the US they are not truly banned. Maybe not available in some school libraries or even some public libraries but that isn't the same thing as banned.
    Frankly I would like to see libraries "ban" more books.
    Chariot of the Gods would be a good start.
    Why wasn't the Bible on the list? It is banned in and or restricted heavily in many countries.
    Also I didn't see any Holocaust denial books or pro Nazi books on the list. Those have been banned in many countries as well.
    If you are going to pretend that you support freedom of speech I guess posting a list of books "banned" in some US high schools is a freaking safe way to do it.
    I have to admit that publishing a book online that you can can buy at most any book store in the US really does make up for censoring pro-democracy cites in China. Good for you Google. Let us all bask in your "Celebration of the Freedom to Read".
    I think I will go puke now.

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    1. Re:Interesting use of the word banned. by lahvak · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are right that most of the books on the list were banned or challenged in the US at some point of time. What's strange is that sometimes they list things like "banned in Ireland", and for one book they even have "banned in Yugoslavia". That confuses me, because if they start adding books that were banned in former communist countries, they will end up with a huge list.

      I guess the list has only books that were banned somewhere in US, but for some of them they also list some other countries where they were banned. The result is quite a mess.

      I also find it rather ironic that 1984 was banned in some US town for being pro-communist, while it was banned in almost all communist countries for being anti-communist.

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  27. Re:Very cool by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... except that Call of the Wild is by Jack London, not James Baldwin...
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  28. Banned Books and Rock Stars by Hahnsoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been seeing a lot of comments about "Hey, I read most of those books in High School! How can they be banned?" First of all, this is a list taken out of context... many of those books were taken out of libraries due to topics that are not controversial now, but were controversial a few decades ago. Depictions of euthanasia ("Of Mice and Men"), drug addiction ("To Kill a Mockingbird", "Brave New World"), sex (Lots of books on the list), even favorable depictions of non-Caucasian races ("Adventures of Huckleberry Finn") all would be cause to get a book banned. In hindsight, it seems silly, but every generation has its taboos. Just TRY to get a book approved about terrorism or school shootings in today's English curriculum. AIDS is okay to talk about now, but it wasn't 20 years ago.

    It's a lot like Rock stars. They do a lot of publicity stunts and live a lifestyle that seems garish and offensive to the social conservatives of their time, but looking back in hindsight, most of the hype is just plain silly. Biting off the head of a bat? Ozzie, your domestic home life is much scarier than that; so is the fact that we find it entertaining to televise it.

    Second, I have a sneaking suspicion that many of these books are chosen by high school English teachers in a misguided attempt to jazz up their curriculum. "Ooo, this was a banned book. That'll reach out to my jaded kids who barely can read a page a day, let alone a whole book." I don't think they realize how big the Cliff Notes market is, or how easy it is to rip off essays about banned books from the Wikipedia.

    1. Re:Banned Books and Rock Stars by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a lot like Rock stars. They do a lot of publicity stunts and live a lifestyle that seems garish and offensive to the social conservatives of their time, but looking back in hindsight, most of the hype is just plain silly. Biting off the head of a bat? Ozzie, your domestic home life is much scarier than that; so is the fact that we find it entertaining to televise it.

      According to Ozzy, that incident was a mistake. Apparently some fool threw a real bat on the stage and Ozzy bit the head off thinking it was a rubber toy. He ended up having to get tested for rabies.

      http://www.rollingstone.com/Mythozzy

  29. Re:Homework assignment by MustardMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm assuming they have libraries in Alabama.

    Of course they do - where else are you gonna store all those Bibles?

  30. Re:Well, things are better here by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, no. We get a picture of Tipper Gore. I dislike the republicans as much as the next guy, but it doesn't mean I forget that the Democrats are a bunch of assholes too. Tipper Gore (as per the link) got all hot and bothered when she heard her daughter listening to a Prince album and it flustered her so much she went the wrong direction and tried to get all kinds of great music banned.

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  31. Re:Well, things are better here by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dislike the republicans as much as the next guy, but it doesn't mean I forget that the Democrats are a bunch of assholes too.

    That's why they're called Republicrats. Two sides of the same coin.

  32. Re:Where the hell is Mein Kampf? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Informative

    From TFA :

    "To Kill a Mockingbird. Of Mice and Men. The Great Gatsby. 1984. It's hard to imagine a world without these extraordinary literary classics, but every year there are hundreds of attempts to remove great books from libraries and schools. In fact, according to the American Library Association, 42 of 100 books recognized by the Radcliffe Publishing Course as the best novels of the 20th century have been challenged or banned."

    Only those 42 books are online right now. Remember that the headlines are misleading (the thought that /.ers are actually more digging into the fact than average persons only frightens me, I mean, have you tried to only read only the headlines in a newspaper ?)

    Of course, as pointed by the parent, and pointed in other posts, a lot of significant works have been banned : Mein Kampf, Mark's Capital, the Bible, etc... but they are not in the top 100 NOVELS of the century.

    Plus, may I be the first to say, that putting online all books that have been banned at one time and at one place in human history would be a very huge work and probably would result in a digitalization of the entire litterature.

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  33. Missing words by xant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Notably absent from these pages are the words "in the United States". This list would be a hell of a lot longer if we included books banned by, for example, Nazi Germany. (Uh oh, I feel a Godwin coming on.)

    I realize Google is based in the US and this isn't necessarily even an accusation of USA-centrism (why would I even object? I'm a US citizen myself..) but it is a factual omission that seems important considering this will be seen by Google's hundreds of millions of users all over the world.

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  34. Re: Google China and Banned books, Irony? by triumph_larry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sort of ironic to celebrate Google's showing these banned books when Google China agreed to censor itself.

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  35. How come? by Arthur+B. · · Score: 3, Funny

    Reading this article I tried to find Nabokov's novel by searching for "lolita" on google. Considering the number of results this definitely looks like a popular novel but how come isn't Nabokov Book the first result?

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  36. Not evil, not good by amightywind · · Score: 2, Funny
    Google has not made these books available to read online, it just gives you the ability to find a library that has the book.

    Well at least they aren't paid links to Amazon.com.

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  37. Ob Family Guy Quote: by MrR0p3r · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I don't want to go on a rant, here, but America's foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowulf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first battle of Antietam. I mean when a neo-conservative defenestrates it's like Raskolnikov filibuster deoxymonohydroxinate..."

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  38. Search Issues? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I went to the Google page and clicked on the "To Kill a Mockingbird" link to find that book at my local library.

    What I got was a list of about 75 books with "To Kill a Mockingbird" in the title, including many screenplays, references, notes, etc. I think there are a lot of duplicates, too, with minor differences in the book's meta data. It was extremely difficult to distinguish which one is the "real" book.

    After trying five or six links that looked like it might be the right one, I gave up.

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  39. Re:Banning a book is ok! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me remind you that the Islamic-Fascist's go one better: attempt to kill the author. Salman Rushdie and the cartoonists that drew the Mohammed cartoons in Denmark have had to live in hiding

    I find the news coverage and people's opinions of the cartoon issue very interesting. Certain rabble rousers intentionally tried to cause trouble over the cartoons, the the point of sending ones they created and which had never been published anywhere to newspapers and to religious zealots in many countries. And yet, I saw not in one place, but in many, Muslim clerics placing themselves between an embassy and a mob throwing stones and trying to calm the situation and prevent violence. Islamic culture won big points in my mind that day.

    I just picture a bunch of hicks from rural America showing up at an Iranian embassy after the widespread publication and promotion of pictures of jesus being sodomized. Then, to put it in context, I picture this happening in Texas, months after an army of middle easterners had conquered Mexico, bombing cities and sending frightened refugees to hide in the USA. Where each of these hicks knew some old friend or relative or friend of a friend or friend of a relative who had lost a mother or son or child to the bombings. And then I pictured all this happening after the President of Iran had made comments about how they should invade the US too, since the US had aided Mexico and all those christians were violent sodomites. With this picture in my mind, I wondered how many local pastors and priests in texas would be there, placing themselves between the rocks and the mob, and the Iranian embassy.

    Yes Virgina, evil exists and it wants to kill you.

    I don't approve of censorship or murder, but I do understand why people are convinced that both are right in certain circumstances. Lets just be sure not to pre judge people based upon religion or ethnicity. A catholic, muslim, or atheist is equally capable of promoting fascism.

  40. Re:Where the hell is Mein Kampf? by bigpat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Plus, may I be the first to say, that putting online all books that have been banned at one time and at one place in human history would be a very huge work and probably would result in a digitalization of the entire litterature.

    I believe digitization of our entire literature is the goal. Think big.

  41. Re:Homework assignment by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Similarly, explain the difference between formal and implicit polymorphism in C++.

    HINT: both involve overloading of terms.


    Answer: Both break if you use non-pointer types when adding items to STL lists :(

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  42. Re:Homework assignment by tinkerghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you ever actually read that book?!
    Good god; voilence, terrorism, fratricide, sex, rape, a whole section devoted to love poems - writen by a self proclaimed polygamist!, calls to vigilante justice. We just can't be letting anyone read that book!
    Nope, of any of the books I've seen people protest over, the bible has more & worse.

  43. Not a Black and White issue. by Comboman · · Score: 3, Interesting
    To Kill a Mockingbird, Harper Lee ...Challenged in the Normal, ILL Community High Schools sophomore literature class (2003) as being degrading to African Americans."

    I read this book in high school, and I came away from it with a new appreciation for the horrors of racism and injustice. How the hell is it degrading? By showing just how fucked-up the law was in regards to nonwhites?

    Some black parents in my school district recently tried to have Mockingbird removed from the curiculum (but not from the library) and my first reaction was similar to yours. The media reports made it sound like their whole objection was that the book uses The 'N' Word and discussing it in class was offensive to them. When I went to the meeting however, I quickly discovered the issue was more complex. The main problem is that mostly white teachers choose this 46-year-old book by a white author to teach students about racism. 46 years ago, a novel by a white author was about the only way such a message could reach a wide audience, but in 2006 there have got to be better ways. Any black author knows far more about racism than Harper Lee (despite Mr. Lee's best intentions), and it's time for the curiculum to reflect that.

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    1. Re:Not a Black and White issue. by thelonious_cube · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm not sure that justifies removing it from the curriculum. Shouldn't they be trying to ADD something contemporary to the curriculum and lobbying for teachers to use it? Why present this in terms of banning a book that does, in fact, criticize racism and is a great book? Sounds like a bad way to go about it to me.

      The same thing goes on constantly with "Huckleberry Finn" - at least I assume it's similar - it is always presented in the press as being motivated by use of the N-word, but is perhaps more sophisticated than that (if still just as wrongheaded in my view)

      BTW - minor point - Harper Lee is a woman

  44. Re:Can somone explain .... by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect "challenged" means that someone attmpted to ban it.

    A "ban" would typically refer to a law or ordinace passed which either removes said book from libraries, or prohibits its sale. Due to the way our Federal government works a lot of power devolves on states and on small municipalities, which aren't always run by the sharpest tools in the shed, if you know what I mean. They can ban or attempt to bad all sorts of stupid stuff for the most trivial of reasons. Getting something like that overturned on constitutional grounds is a long process.

    For example, when I was a kid in the early 80's our city government banned The Garbagepail Kids because they thought they were gross and would thus hurt kids somehow. Of course all that did was generate a heap of free publicity for the stupid things. Kids who'd never heard of them suddenly started collecting them.

  45. Re:1984 Edgy? by Jerf · · Score: 2, Informative
    Place it in context. Cold War, McCarthyism ... get the connection.
    True enough, but it's worth pointing out on this forum that 1984 was a warning against socialism, not McCarthyism. Ingsoc is "English Socialism".

    (It's also worth pointing out that while McCarthy may have been overzealous, he was largely right, as declassified KGB records have shown; there were Communist operatives everywhere doing what damage they could, much of which we're still sufferring from. Research it.)
  46. Harper Lee isn't a MR. by Version6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Her full name is Nelle Harper Lee, and she's been a woman all her life.

  47. Bah! by DisKurzion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For a real banned book:

    One that's not even in Project Gutenburg.
    One that google won't even show you if you use moderate safesearch.
    One that has been banned in more countries than any other.

    120 days of Sodom, by Marquis de Sade

    Warning: NSFW

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_120_Days_of_Sodom

    Quite possibly the most fucked up thing ever written.
    Or turned into a movie for that matter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal%C3%B2_o_le_120_gi ornate_di_Sodoma

    People ban stuff for the silliest reasons. Half of those books were banned merely because of racism or one or two possibly offensive subjects.

    This is a true banned book. If you are not offended by it, you are quite possibly a horrible human being.

    Even saying that, I think you should read it. It puts perspective on things.

  48. Re:"Islamo-Fascists" by psykocrime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe, but fascism is a good discription of what they, the Islamo-Fascist, want. A world wide totalitarian society with scrict information control, progroms, purges, and thought policing by a central Islamic government called the Caliphate.

    Fascism is also a good description of the ideology of the Neo-Cons here in the US. It's almost funny how we have one group of fascists calling another group fascists. It brings to mind that old quote from Huey Long:

    When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag

    Or, Long's response to the question of whether or not Fascism would ever come to the US:

    Yes, but in America, we'll call it anti-fascism.

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  49. Re:Banning a book is ok! by metlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just picture a bunch of hicks from rural America showing up at an Iranian embassy after the widespread publication and promotion of pictures of jesus being sodomized.

    Listen to yourself - you are equating a funny picture showing the real state of affairs (i.e. the trend of Islamic states heading towards terrorism) to an intentionally offensive one of showing a religious head performing sexual acts.

    Did they show Allah making out with a naked guy? All they did was have a comic commenting on Islamic terrorism, and a very valid one at that.

    I'm sorry, Islam by itself may not be violent, but a significant chunk of Muslims out there are increasinly turning to a violent version of the religion. You can say all you want about hicks and conservatives, but their percentages are way lower.

    Heck, you see comics and cartoons involving almost every religion in a lot of democractic countries -- the thing is, you can publish a funny cartoon of Jesus in the US and people would perhaps even laugh at it. Good luck trying to publish one in Saudi or Pakistan.

  50. Re:I don't see how they are banned books... by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It takes a frustrated fundie to even notice that...

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  51. Re:"Islamo-Fascists" by psykocrime · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just read here, here and here.

    I've also addressed this issue before.

    I can't go so far as to claim that the United States has become totally Fascist (yet), but I stand by my claim that the neo-con ideology is
    moving us in the direction of fascism. I'll even go so far as to say that "Neo-Con" is just a euphemism for "Fascist."

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  52. Re:Homework assignment by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thomas Paine, Deist, famously agreed with you in his book The Age of Reason :

    "Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

    And ironically, the Bible's got its own clear policy on censorship: Deu 13. But historically, it was probably banned for that content far less often than for the fact that it encourages people to worship something other than the State.

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