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Vista to Create 50,000 Jobs in Europe

prostoalex writes "A Microsoft-sponsored study found that Vista will be a boon to European economy, as it 'will create more than 50,000 technology jobs in six large European countries and will lead to a flood of economic benefits for companies there,' News.com reports. Europe will see a total of 1.2 mln paychecks thanks to the new operating system: 'In the six countries studied, more than 150,000 IT companies will produce, sell or distribute products or services running on Windows Vista in 2007 and will employ 400,000 people, IDC said. Another 650,000 will be employed in the IT departments of businesses that rely on Vista.'"

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  1. Well, in that case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Business will not be "upgrading" if it requires even more staff to admin Vista!

  2. This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gives a whole new meaning to the "Broken Windows" fallacy of economics.

    1. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In case folks don't see why this is funny:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken _window/

    2. Re:This is great by ThePhilips · · Score: 4, Insightful
      90% of the "economic boom" of the modern computer industry has been due to the Broken Windows Fallacy for the past decade or so.

      You are so wrong. You just need to be asked to run small company with all bureaucracy done on paper with typewriter. Absolutely w/o computers. You would understand why the boom happened really: computer market stabilized, became commodity and business at large went from paper-based work flow to computer-based one. In fact, computers now allow small companies to increase business volumes: only because bureaucracy is magnitude cheaper now. Many small/private businesses were often running into NOT limit of productivity - but inability to book all orders properly. Now they can. Computers made that easy.

      Though I hardly expect the average underage offsprings of computer era - which are made majority of /. readers /posters - to really understand what really computer and data networks did for small/middle/big companies. We already take all the goods for granted.

      Just to give one example, especially important to USA with its large populace of public companies. Before computers came, public companies were really run by few people close to board of directors who have had slight majority of shares. For most of little/private investors it didn't made much of a reason to fly across continent just to participate in meeting/voting regarding some current maters. Now, with advent of computers networks, anyone with no matter how small share of company, can participate in voting - remotely & cheaply. That meant to the public companies whole a lot. Exec officers are now under more scrutiny, since large number of small investors really play role: sum of their votes often is large enough to influence decision making. The sum, to calculate before computers came, was impossible.

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  3. That's like saying... by Saven+Marek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A Microsoft-sponsored study found that Vista will be a boon to European economy, as it 'will create more than 50,000 technology jobs in six large European countries and will lead to a flood of economic benefits for companies there

    That's like saying hurricane Katrina was a boon to the New Orleans economy, as it instantly created thousands of search & rescue, demolition, rebuilding and emergency management jobs.

    You can spin anything any way you like.

    1. Re:That's like saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder what those 50000 are doing at the moment? Wandering the fields, looking at trees? Maybe, just _maybe_ they're supporting XP? Well, in that case, I say that 50000 jobs will be lost when Microsoft ships Vista, because of the decreased need for XP support.

  4. On the downside ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Vista to destroy 50,000 jobs in Europe

    Due to the cessation of Windows XP, hordes of people employed to manage, fix and repair systems based around Windows XP will lose their jobs.

    Luckily they are mostly expected to get jobs managing, fixing and repairing Windows Vista systems.

  5. Thats it? by Lordpidey · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a Microsoft sponsored study, I'm suprised that they didn't say it would create 20 billion new jobs, cure aids, end world hunger, capture osama bin laden, find WMD in Iraq and still be simple enough for someone as stupid as Bush to use (ok, that last one might be stretching it)

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  6. in other news... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft placates to populous to try to pressure EU to stop suing them for monopolistic practices. Could this read any more like a spin piece to deflect from the EU lawsuit stuff?

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  7. But how does announcing this help their business? by hakubi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or is it just an attempt to derail any European plans to charge them with more anti-trust violations since MS is helping their economy? I just don't see the point here.

  8. Too complicated by fractalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Businesses are already overwhelmed by the costs of administering Windows, and the sad thing is, Microsoft makes Windows admins re-learn everything every few years because they change the One True Way to manage a network. They say they're trying to make things better, but it's the same problem with developing for MS platforms: everything changes every few years.

    Vista is so complex that it's going to be a nightmare to try to get a handle on it. These new jobs are glaziers making glass for windows broken by boys throwing rocks. False industry, and a burden on resources. These people could be doing something productive but instead they'll be put to work holding Vista together.

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  9. Obviously bollocks by Proud+like+a+god · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clearly these "companies [that] will produce, sell or distribute products or services running on Windows Vista" are ones that would have been doing the same with XP.

    Same goes for those that "will be employed in the IT departments of businesses that rely on Vista." Because previously they were using XP.

    Vista brings nothing to Europe, but this is just about the EU actually making a stand against Microsoft's illegal actions.

    1. Re:Obviously bollocks by nwbvt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not necessarily. If it is harder to develop applications for or maintain Vista than XP, then jobs will be created. Of course, generally you want your new product to increase worker efficiency, not decrease it...

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  10. Broken window falacy of economic activity by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having 650,000 people chasing around doing things that do not need to be done is *not* good for the economy unless the end result is that production is greater (over the whole economy) than the gain that could be made of the alternative use of their time.

    Now while I could probably be convinced that Windows Vista has _some_ productivity benefits over current systems I doubt it's really that large. In many cases the net contribution of these 650k people is going to be in fact negative as their disruption and need to prove their own continued usefullness actually decreases productivity of society as a whole - fixing things that aren't broken for example.

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  11. Re:Sure it will. by trash+eighty · · Score: 4, Funny

    and counselling for IT personnel who have had nervous breakdowns

  12. Of course... by c0l0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the study did not explicitly mention that about 40.000 of those were actually psychotherapists.

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  13. Steve Gibson was right by sphealey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back around 1992(?) Steve Gibson[1] wrote a column in which he predicted that by the year 2000 50% of the world's population would be employed supporting Windows for the other 50%. At this point I don't think he was far wrong.

    sPh

    [1] The old SpinRite guy who wrote a lot of good utilities in the DOS era.

  14. that's economics for you by oohshiny · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sadly, that's how economist think and work. The Exxon Valdez disaster, for example, was a boon to the US economy according to standard models of economics, because it created lots of jobs.

    The reason for such silly conclusions is that large, unquantifiable costs are ignored. In the case of Vista, it will probably create lots of jobs (because it will be a lot of work to install and maintain), but those jobs will not be productive jobs--they don't contribute to what the companies using Vista actually are supposed to do.

    In different words, a company producing widgets will still be producing widgets pretty much the same way after Vista has been installed, they'll just have sunk a boatload of money into migrating, retraining, licensing, and hardware upgrades. Furthermore, the computer specialists doing all that work are kept from doing something actually productive. As a result, the cost of widgets has gone up and the economy is worse off overall.

    1. Re:that's economics for you by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are an orginisation attempting to make money with content including copyrighted material, which the copyright holders are legally entitled to recompense. But their business model is more like the modern day equivalent of a tv station, so they should be paying in a similar way to how tv stations pay for their use of copyrighted material.

      I think you've confused marketeers with economists. Economists (at least the smart ones) ask a fundemnetal question:

      This activity occurs at the expense of what?

      Evert transaction occurs at the expense of another - if I buy a sweater then I don't buy a TV. You can't just look at any one action but need to look at the impact of that action.

      Politicians and marketeers trumpet job creation - those pork barrel projects - they create jobs and pump taxes back into the economy (which I will use to buy more votes) - forget what the original taxpayer might have done with the nmoney had we not taken it in taxes; spent some percent running the government (a deadweight load of sorts) and actually put less back in then we took out.

      If Vista makes companies more productive then they can create more jobs - if not then teh net effect is zero (or less because of switching costs)

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  15. How many more jobs would be created if ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny
    If I am selling software, and my next release is going to require my clients to hire 50,000 more people install and minister it, I would keep it quite confidential.

    If this is how one creates jobs, one can create even more jobs if Europe switches to CP/M or IBM 370/155 or Cyber 170 NOS.

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  16. So basically it's an economic disaster by gelfling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for the companies that buy it.