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Microsoft DRM To Get Even Tighter

Toreo asesino writes, "Microsoft is tightening the screws on their up & coming DRM platform. First, Windows Media Player 11 removes the right to move music from one machine to another. According to their website, WMP11 'does not permit you to back up your media usage rights (previously known as licenses).' Worse, if you rip your own CDs and the 'Copy protect music' option is turned on, WMP11 will require you to 'connect to a Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited number of times.'" The Inquirer has an even more jaundiced take on Microsoft's turn of the thumbscrew.

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  1. Ahem... by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Informative

    You don't have to use WMP to rip CDs you know?

    This is really a moot issue. I mean I hate Microsoft and all that they are, but seriously, just don't use WMP.

    Tom

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    1. Re:Ahem... by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not a moot issue because there are scores of PC users who wouldn't know how else to rip a CD. No one has to eat spinach, but when there was an e. coli outbreak linked to spinach, it was still newsworthy.

      Also, it would be nice if one could use WMP to rip CDs without crippling DRM. When the news is about a piece of software that's installed on massive numbers of computers worldwide, it's newsworthy even if you don't have to use it.

    2. Re:Ahem... by omeg · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think that it's really an option to say to the users of WMP that they should switch. Afterall, most people who do are casual users who would simply like things to work without thinking about "better alternatives". The kind that uses Internet Explorer.

      If Microsoft can get their DRM in with those people, it won't be long before it'll be used on an even larger scale. Instead of fighting to stop DRM from ever seeing the light of day (already a lost cause), you will be fighting to get its large scale usage abolished. And these people who use WMP: they're not going to switch. Ever. Microsoft should just stop using these tactics.

    3. Re:Ahem... by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My (IT illertate) Boss, asked me one day "what is the best format to rip my CD's into?". I answered "if you want freedom and good quality use OGG Vorbis, but seeing as you and your family already have various players that support mp3, use mp3 but turn off 'protection' and set it to a high bit-rate"

      Do you know what he did... burned it all to WMV.

      So yeah, there are a few out there that use .WMV ... but if they are anything like my boss, they are idiots.

    4. Re:Ahem... by joshetc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Russ, this is your boss. You're fired.

    5. Re:Ahem... by Deathlizard · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, it would be nice if one could use WMP to rip CDs without crippling DRM.

      You can rip CD's in WMP10 without DRM. In Fact, DRM is turned off by Default.

      go to Tools -> Options -> Rip Music to see the settings. It also Does MP3.

      I've never used WMP for ripping but I know the college students use it on their PC's all the time, and when their hard drive crashes we simply copy the music over to their new drive with no problem.

      As for WMP11, On the Vista RC1 machine I'm testing here, it looks like their adopting the same default settings as 10: WMA, 128KB's, DRM OFF. They also finally support ripping to wav files as well, so now you can convert to your favorite alternate format in a lossless state. The full ripping support is WMA 48-192, WMA Pro 32-192, WMA (VBR) 40-355, WMA (Mathematically Lossless) 470-940, MP3 128-320, and Wav. Of course ths could change by final build, but this is how it's currently setup.

    6. Re:Ahem... by kevinadi · · Score: 4, Funny

      There really is a need for a Nobel prize for destruction. MS should be the first recipient. With honors.

    7. Re:Ahem... by jZnat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just adding to the consensus that MPlayer owns. I use it to rip DVDs (mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile movie.vob dvd://) for instance. MEncoder is great as well, but I find myself using external codecs (e.g. XviD, LAME, Vorbis) rather than lavc, although if I put more effort into researching lavc options (they're "tersely documented in the source code" according to the man page, so I'll have to check that out sometime), I'd probably use it instead.

      Did you know that many of the developers for MPlayer are also developers for xine and VLC?

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    8. Re:Ahem... by makomk · · Score: 4, Informative

      For Windows CD ripping, I always used CDex (rips using cdparanoia, automatically grabs titles from FreeDB, and encodes using an included version of LAME).

    9. Re:Ahem... by 787style · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Way to prove the point of why a ton of people still use WMP. That soup of jargon is why iTunes is so hugely popular.

    10. Re:Ahem... by ncc74656 · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's Called MdiaPlayerClassic but it's not M$ And when it's installed with the K-Lite codec pack it rocks !

      Codec packs can be dangerous. ffdshow handles nearly everything all by itself, is just one codec to install, and is free-as-in-speech.

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  2. More reasons to get Vista, hey! by TheShadowHawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even tighter DRM? Wow... tell me again why I should install Vista?

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    1. Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because the warez version will have all the good parts, none of the bad parts and is provided to you at the real value of the software.

    2. Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! by Robotz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Personally, I like to pronounce 'Vista' with a capital 'F'.

      It feels appropriate, somehow.

  3. nice by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is beautiful. Microsoft goes even further in restricting your rights for material you already own (god knows what purchases will be like). Meanwhile, Apple has been going in the other direction, finally adding a "transfer purchases from iPod" menu option in iTunes 7.

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    1. Re:nice by Aadain2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've always wondered at people who bash the iTunes DRM since it is actually pretty nice to the user (as you mentioned). DRM like Microsoft's is the wrong kind of DRM. It starts from the assumption that the user is a criminal and given the opportunity will share their music with millions unless stopped by someone. The DRM on iTunes, on the other hand, is actually very nice IMHO. I can transfer music to my iPod with no problems. I can burn playlists to as many CDs as I like. I can have multiple systems access my iTunes account (home, laptop, work, etc). MS is just shooting themselves in the foot and driving yet more people to iTunes, iPod, and Apple.

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  4. It's funny in a sad way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how they still manage to speak of "your rights" when there are virtually none left to speak of...

  5. I want more MS by MECC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also saw "Cannot play back recorded TV that is protected with media usage rights in Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 after 3 days". Man this so makes me want to get all tricked out with a Zune and windows break-my-media center, because they all look so nice and they 'just work'. This must be that 'microsoft standard' thingy I keep hearing about all the time. Standard - that's when you get to arbitrarily break things that used to work, right?

    See - monopolies really do work better than an open marketplace of ideas.

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  6. DRM by kaleco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Between this and the Zune's 3 days/3 plays model of DRM, it seems like Microsoft are trying their hardest to confuse people as to when they can and cannot play their music. It almost sounds like they want to generate bad public opinion.

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  7. Oblig. Star Wars reference by TheWoozle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more you tighten your grip, the more music listeners will slip through your fingers.

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    1. Re:Oblig. Star Wars reference by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      This just in; the revolution will not be streamed on Windows Media Player. No file at 11.

      KFG

  8. it's obvious by oohshiny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is trying to kill DRM.

  9. Correction by Orange+Crush · · Score: 4, Funny
    'connect to a Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited number of times.'

    Summary mispelled privileges and missed the last part of the sentence: "you filthy theiving consumer SCUM!"

  10. Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Look's like you're trying to backup a CD - I've just informed he RIAA. Would you like me to call you a lawyer?"

  11. oblig. simpsons quote by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man this so makes me want to get all tricked out with a Zune and windows break-my-media center..

    Then, I will hug some snakes... yes. I will hug and kiss some poisonous snakes.

    Now that's sarcasm!

  12. You know why it's ok? by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because it's a Genuine Advantage to do so. HAH!

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  13. Re: Power of idiots by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers.

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  14. Thank God by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without all this DRM everywhere, I don't think we as a society would ever write another line of music. Ever.

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  15. Dont p*** off Joe Sixpack by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OK, Joe Sixpack does not know much. Blindly uses the default programs. IE, WMP whatever. Cant even tell where OS ends and applications begin. And MSFT takes him for a ride and locks his content to one PC and does what most monopolies do when they think their control will last forever.

    Isn't that normal? Isn't that what will eventually provide a market correction? Eventually Joe is going to find that 500$ worth of music he has bought over the last two years is locked into a dying PC or a stolen Zune and he has to pay all over again to get his music back. Then his friend Smartli Nuxuser tells him why he would never have that predicament at the watercooler. Happens repeatedly. Gets retold repeatedly. Joe gets mad

    When Joe Sixpacks gets mad, he really gets mad. He sues left right and center. Start class action lawsuits. When CA builds million miles of highways and sues the car makers fo CO2 emissions, why cant Joe Sixpack sue MSFT? It can write all the EULA it wants, but when you get millions of Joe Sixpacks mad, all bets are off.

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  16. Not To Be A Fanboy, But... by CheeseburgerBrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This comment should in no way be taken as an overall endorsement of an Apple-boner worldview but, let's face it, there is something fundamental about music and people that the Jobsian camp "gets" that the Redmonites don't.

    One significant reason why the iPod -- crippled as it is under its own DRM and Applephilic burdens -- was/is such a success is because it makes the experience of selecting and playing back popular music comparatively easy, even for people with shrunken frontal lobes and/or other severe cognitive challenges (retardation, ADHDADDADHD, neoconservatism, etc.). Even my grandma knows how to rip CDs into her library and stick them on her iPod.

    The relative transparency of the process means that my grandma doesn't have to call a geek to help her. This means the obstacles between her and what she wants to listen to are minimal. Basically, it's easy. The rights management is sufficiently flexible that she doesn't know or care that it is there.

    This Microsoft DRM scheme, in contrast, sounds very visible.

    No matter how smoothly or non-smoothly it works, the visibility in and of itself will intimidate/frustrate/frighten much of the herd. Anything that requires an explanation -- even a simple one -- cuts scads off of the numbers of potential customers.

    The perception of simplicity sells Apple products, for good or for ill. Until Microsoft understands this, they'll be playing catch up forever.

    Marketshare does not equal mindshare. Evidently.

  17. I'll pass on this version... by vmxeo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I dunno... the DRM in this version of WMP looks half-baked. I think I'm going to wait for Windows Media Player 12 to come out, which reportedly will include DRM that doesn't let you listen to your music at all. All the major recording labels are on board with this format, so we may finally get a realistic alternative to iTunes without the clumsy Mac-like interface. Plus, it won't cost much more per track than the average iTunes song now. There will also be more visualizations included to help you imagine what the music you're playing actualy sounds like. I know that a lot of Slashdotters bash Microsoft over security, but I'm glad to know MS is taking bold steps to protect my music!

  18. Re:Easily by-passed by jfulcer · · Score: 5, Funny

    And whatever you do, don't cross the streams. That would be bad. Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

    Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip.

  19. Independant Media Gets DRM Too? by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, let me get this straight. I'm an independant artist with a published and distributed CD, on which it's stated: "Please feel free to copy and use this music however you see fit, share it with friends, put it on P2P, make a mix, or include it into other works. Do not include, encode with, or wrap this work in any anti-copying system or use any technological protection measures upon this work. If you value this work, feel free to contribute. Donation details can be found at (website addresses). Enjoy!".

    So, by one of my fans simply playing my content with WMP11, their DRM will be imposed on my copyrighted content without my knowledge or consent, my rights as a copyright holder, content creator/artist are trumped/destroyed, as well as my revenue stream from donations from people who've been given copies of my work is effectively terminated?

    Makes me want to reach for a rapid-fire assault-lawyer with a huge assault-class clip of C&Ds, injunctions, and claims for real and punitive damages, as well as possibly motions for class-action status, and do a legal drive-by on their butts firing on full-auto!

    Cheers!

    Strat

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