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Migrating Birds Take Hundreds of Powernaps.

Ant writes "MSNBC reports that to help make up for sleep lost during marathon night flights, migratory birds take hundreds of powernaps during the day, each lasting only a few seconds, a new study suggests. Every autumn, Swainson's thrushes fly up to 3,000 miles from their breeding grounds in northern Canada and Alaska to winter in Central and South America. Come spring, the birds make the long trek back. The birds fly mostly at night and often for long hours at a time, leaving little time for sleep."

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  1. this early in the morning by yincrash · · Score: 5, Funny

    At 4:20 in the morning, I could a couple of power naps as well.

    1. Re:this early in the morning by theundergroundman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm actually going to power up something else once it gets to 4:20 west coast time.

    2. Re:this early in the morning by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Funny
      The fact that you could not complete your sentence properly shows your level of sleep deprivation:

      At 4:20 in the morning, I could do with a couple of power naps as well.

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    3. Re:this early in the morning by rf0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah."

      So neh

      http://www.phespirit.info/montypython/four_yorkshi remen.htm

    4. Re:this early in the morning by Snover · · Score: 3, Informative

      At 4:20, it may not be sleep deprivation inhibiting his ability to speak correctly...

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    5. Re:this early in the morning by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      At 4:20 in the morning, I could [take] a couple of power naps as well.

      Looks like you took one int he middle of that sentence!

  2. Why they sleep only a few seconds by Jamu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Flap flap flap
    Must stay awake...
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I'm falling!
    Flapflapflapflapflap
    Flap flap flap
    Must stay awake...

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    1. Re:Why they sleep only a few seconds by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      :-)

      Not all that far from the truth.

      Albatross (and related species) spend virtually their whole lives at sea, returning to land only to breed. They fish for food, but can't sleep on the sea surface because they'd get caught by preditors (some shark and whale species, sealions, etc). Their only opportunity for sleep is whilst they're flying - so they nap for a few seconds whilst they're gliding.

    2. Re:Why they sleep only a few seconds by ari_j · · Score: 2, Funny
      I dunno, something that straps to their beaks or similar

      'e could grip i' by the 'usk!

    3. Re:Why they sleep only a few seconds by aldheorte · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you ever actually see an albatross at sea, you will know this is complete bullocks. An albatross take off is a drawn out and complicated affair with much beating of wings and windwilling of the legs. There is absolutely no way an albatross sitting on the surface could react fast enough to a predator to make an escape by getting airborne.

    4. Re:Why they sleep only a few seconds by shadwstalkr · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought they slept while they hung around the necks of old sailors.

  3. Did the same thing as a student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I was a student I also took several power-naps during the day to make up for lack of sleep.

    They were called lectures.

    1. Re:Did the same thing as a student by CortoMaltese · · Score: 2, Funny
      I actually attended (well, sort of) a course just because the lectures were held just after lunch in a lecture hall with very comfortable seats.

      *sigh*

      I wish my office walls weren't made of glass.

  4. Wish my boss understands this by wannabgeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    I only take tens of powernaps during the day, and my boss is threatening to fire me. (True, each of them lasts longer than a few seconds ;-)

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  5. Electronic Arts applauds by Green+Salad · · Score: 4, Funny

    The HR department at Electronic Arts applauds the innovation as a "best practice."

  6. Ah shucks by novus+ordo · · Score: 4, Funny
    "I think what's interesting about our findings is that even animals that should be highly adapted to sleep loss cannot go on indefinitely," Fuchs said. "That a need for sleep cannot be eliminated even in these species underscores the importance of sleep for many, if not all, animals."
    I hope I'm not the one to break this to my boss...he might even try to disprove him.
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  7. Maybe.. by l0cust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe the birds were getting those drowsy sessions and 'power naps' BECAUSE they were caged and being subjected to go through utterly boring and long observation periods when they would rather be flying over the ocean somewhere. Or they just closed their eyes every few minutes to curse the researchers to hell for caging them in the first place.

    But seriously, studies of this kind tend to lose credibility when they start predicting the free behaviour of species while testing them under captive conditions. Going by this logic, I can say that lions in jungle start rattling the nearest metal bars or objects they can find when they feel hungry because I observed this behaviour in a bunch of lions in the nearest zoo. I know its stretching the point a bit, and that 'some' behaviour show consistence irrespective of the state of the subject animal/bird, BUT trying to deduce migratory behaviour (out of all things) from a bunch of observational data collected from birds in cages is stretching it too far IMHO.

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    1. Re:Maybe.. by grammar+fascist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Going by this logic, I can say that lions in jungle start rattling the nearest metal bars or objects they can find when they feel hungry because I observed this behaviour in a bunch of lions in the nearest zoo.

      You're obviously not a real scientist. A real scientist would have let the lions out of the cage before making any observations.

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    2. Re:Maybe.. by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Funny
      You're obviously not a real scientist. A real scientist would have let the lions out of the cage before making any observations.
      Which is why all that we have left are the 3rd rate hacks.
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  8. Yep... by DuranDuran · · Score: 5, Funny

    > to help make up for sleep lost during marathon night flights, migratory birds take hundreds of powernaps during the day, each lasting only a few seconds

    Yep, just like my crazy uncle. But instead of gliding, he uses the cruise control.

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    1. Re:Yep... by rf0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its like the old joke that Uncle Harold died peacfully in his sleep. Its just all his passengers in the car that were screaming

  9. Humans Too by HoneyBeeSpace · · Score: 5, Informative

    Humans do the same thing. The term is "microsleep", lasting from 2 to 30 seconds or so, often with eyes open. A quick search returns hundreds of PDFs on the phenomenon.

    As usual, there is a WikiPedia entry (not very useful) and this site too: http://www.sleepdex.org/microsleep.htm

    Hmmm... people do it. Birds do it. I'll be shocked when the research is published that fish do it too.

  10. Not convinced by tygerstripes · · Score: 3, Interesting
    How is this different from when you keep nodding your head and waking up when you're very, very tired but doing something critical/dangerous? Hasn't everyone, to their horror, experienced this when driving? Or when you're in a lecture, your head drops, and you jerk awake with an embarrassing snorting noise?

    I wouldn't consider this to be an impressive evolved behaviour, so much as just what happens when a bird in flight is pushing itself to its limits of endurance. There just aren't many animals other than humans and avians that ever find themselves having to maintain such prolonged alertness to survive, so this is seen as a phenomenon. Try keeping squirrels on a wire over a pit of spikes or something, and you'll probably observe the same behaviour.

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    1. Re:Not convinced by tygerstripes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't be stupid. Alligators can't balance on a wire.

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  11. yeah but do they get headaches? by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    woodpeckers don't

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  12. Uberman by Wooden7Dummy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reminds me of the Uberman sleep method.

  13. How do they avoid crashing? by giafly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTA, these swallows sleep for "9 seconds on average".
    If one stops flying completely for 9 seconds, the approximate distance it would fall is s = ut + 1/2at**2 ... 0+1/2*32*9*9 feet ... 1296 feet.
    But the barn swallow typically migrates within within 100 feet of the ground .
    So how do they avoid crashing?

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    1. Re:How do they avoid crashing? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the approximate distance it would fall is s = ut + 1/2at**2 ... 0+1/2*32*9*9 feet ... 1296 feet.

      A few theories from me as an armchair scientist. If it has a way to lock it's wings it will fall slower. It will loose several seconds of direction control but maybe it has a mechanism to compensate.

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    2. Re:How do they avoid crashing? by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

      But the barn swallow typically migrates within within 100 feet of the ground .

      Even more impressive is the behavior of the Wandering Albatross which can fly for days at a time within a wingspan of ocean waves (albeit their wingspan is about 10 feet). They can do this even during a full gale.

      So how do they avoid crashing?

      They soar. Wings generate lift just because they're there and under the right conditions a bird might well increase its altitude while napping.

      As a wave moves through the air, or air moves over a hill, it compresses and rises. Thus a sleeping bird may find itself safely carried over variations in surface hight without having to do a thing. It's called "slope soaring."

      KFG

    3. Re:How do they avoid crashing? by Harlow_B_Ashur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe their glide ratio surpasses that of a ball of uranium.

  14. Urban legend alert by Falkkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Urban legend -- albatrosses sleep on the surface, not in flight.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross#Morphology_ and_flight

    1. Re:Urban legend alert by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Urban legend -- albatrosses sleep on the surface, not in flight.
      Poppycock. That is obviously not an urban legend -- it's a maritime legend.

      Sheesh. When did all widely-believed falsehoods become urban legends, instead of just plain old legends, myths, etc?
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    2. Re:Urban legend alert by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Urban legend -- albatrosses sleep on the surface, not in flight.

      Poppycock. That is obviously not an urban legend -- it's a maritime legend.

      On the contrary. Maritimers know their stuff about birds; it's the urban population that makes these things up. :P

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  15. You couldn't be more wrong. by viewtouch · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, experiments I've read about have been done on birds that are flying, hence no cage.

    More importantly, though, although you must accept the inevitability of sleep, nonetheless you assume that sleep is a behavior and that behavior can be affected by a cage. Well, the view that sleep is behavior has no scientific basis, in spite of the fact that we (as do other animals) have some control over when we sleep, which is, well, totally beside the point. The fact remains that we, and all animals, MUST sleep and we cannot change that. If we don't sleep, our immune and nervous systems shut down and we die. This is true of all animals.

    The latest science indicates beyond any doubt that sleep has nothing to do with behavior but is, rather, a metabolic state (anabolism) which is, of course, cell-based and which, therefore, cannot be affected by putting a bird in a cage or by attaching a neuro-transmitter to a flying bird.

    Studies of this kind, therefore, do NOT lose credibility because it is not behavior which is being tested, but rather it is what is being tested is a simple measurement of how the catabolic - anabolic (awake - asleep) balance is maintained in birds, in particular.

    It's too bad everybody seems to think that either this is just a humorous article or that they aren't interested enough in understanding what sleep is to spend a few minutes either thinking about what sleep really is, or reading about it. Sleep is important enough that if you try to do without it you will soon be rendered useless and die. Understanding sleep can make your life better. Not getting good sleep makes your life hell, if it doesn't kill you. You can't alter the basic metabolism of life by deciding that you are somehow special and you can't understand sleep if you simply dismiss it as behavior.

  16. Did Anyone RTFA? by ironwill96 · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the article it states: "Some scientists speculate that some birds might even be able to catch up on some forms of sleep while in flight, but this idea has yet to be fully tested.".

    The article is not even about sleeping while flying, they are talking entirely of the bird's sleep states during the daytime (and then the birds would fly at night). But, what do I expect? This is /. after all where nobody reads the article and makes hilarious comments anyway.

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  17. Re:yeah by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think technically, they hatch *when* they hit the ground.

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