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Windows Vista RC2 Available

GarstMan writes to mention that Microsoft has released what it hopes will be the last version of Windows Vista to go through the testing process. From the article: "This new build of Windows Vista offers users a higher level of performance and stability - improving what was established in Windows Vista RC1. We were able to also fix many of your bugs reported from RC1 and implement them for RC2. Thank you to our beta testers for the bugs and feedback you submitted for RC1. The improvement shows as we raised our quality bar even higher! Platforms and Services Co-President Jim Allchin has just posted a special announcement letter of RC2 to Microsoft Connect for the Windows Vista Technical Beta Testers."

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  1. Not the last Beta by rlp · · Score: 5, Funny

    There will be a release candidate 3 Beta released as well. You'll just have to pay money for it in stores.

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    1. Re:Not the last Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It stops functioning after a certain time?
      This is correct. It works until mid 2007.

      I honestly don't get this whole "release testing versions to the world" idea.
      There's a sub sandwich shop here that gives away free sandwich coupons every couple of months-- use as many as you want as often as you want. If you get addicted, you'll end up being their customer when it's no longer free.
    2. Re:Not the last Beta by strider44 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a sub sandwich shop here that gives away free sandwich coupons every couple of months-- use as many as you want as often as you want. If you get addicted, you'll end up being their customer when it's no longer free.

      The heroin they put in their sandwiches helps.

  2. Link to ISO by PixelJonah · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the direct link to the 2552.6GBGB ISO image: Vista RC2 build 5744.

    1. Re:Link to ISO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      2552.6 gigabytes squared? Who said Microsoft cannot come up with something novel.

    2. Re:Link to ISO by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      2.55TBs?!

      Now that's some serious code bloat.

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  3. Re:Schedules slip, milestones change meaning by rritterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with the assessment that Microsoft's labeling of RC's is a bit silly.

    But "If they are fixing bugs.... perhaps what they released was a beta" takes it a little too far. If they didn't fix any bugs, it would be simply a Release, not a Candidate.

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  4. Offers users a higher level of performance ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    offers users a higher level of performance and stability

    ie: We added -DNDEBUG to the compiler command line.

  5. No one has commented on this yet? by physicsphairy · · Score: 4, Funny
    We were able to also fix many of your bugs reported from RC1 and implement them for RC2.

    Now this is the kind of honesty you have to appreciate.

  6. here it is by axonis · · Score: 5, Informative
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  7. Can't WAIT!!! by slightcrazed · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one am very much looking forward to using Window's Vista once it is fully released. There seems to be much to look forward to; new features, better stability, better performance. I'm reading up on it right now on the Microsoft Website, and I can't wait to install it on my old Acer laptop. She's only got a 1.5 ghz celeron and an old intel graphics chip, but I'm sure that..... .....wait, what do they mean by 'Minimum system requirements'?

  8. 2.5 Terrabytes? by The+Real+Toad+King · · Score: 5, Funny
    Here's the direct link to the 2552.6GBGB ISO image: Vista RC2 build 5744
    What? Did they encode it all in ASCII 0s and 1s?
  9. Works great. by cybrthng · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First build that i've installed with 0 issues on 3 pcs and one of them being my frankenPC that always gave me hell.

  10. Can you beat a dead horse anymore??? by cybrthng · · Score: 4, Informative

    RC = Frozen API

    RTM = Release

    Release candidate means "You can build your release software against this version as the API is frozen and we are just working out the kinks"

    1. Re:Can you beat a dead horse anymore??? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You dont have the same guarantee with a Beta .... there could be drastic changes to the underlying mechanisms and APIs.

      It doesn't matter how Microsoft defines "beta". The real definition of beta is that the software is feature complete and is in the final stages of testing (but not yet a possible RTM like RC really means). If drastic changes to the underlying mechanism and APIs are still possible, the software is still alpha, or more likely, it's not even out of the design phase yet.

      By buying into these bogus definitions, you've been hoodwinked by Microsoft's marketing department into paying good money for unfinished goods.

  11. Re:Schedules slip, milestones change meaning by megaditto · · Score: 5, Funny

    RTFA:

    We were able to also fix many of your bugs reported from RC1 and implement them for RC2.

    Takes time to implement some good bugs, or else the users would not stay hooked to the "Patch Tuesday"/WGA

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  12. Bugs by tawhaki · · Score: 5, Funny
    We were able to also fix many of your bugs reported from RC1 and implement them for RC2.
    I thought the bugs were already in RC1, why did they need to implement them again for RC2?
  13. Re:Waste of Time by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody likes DRM but it's neceassary evil.

    It is not necessary; it's just evil.

    Now, if there was standard DRM then books would be released electroically that you could search through or have search engines search through.

    Actually, this is unlikely. And in any event, the benefit of making the book searchable is dubious given that the DRM could be used to limit your ability to search it, that searching isn't really important for some books (e.g. most works of fiction), and that the DRM could be set up so that it cost you money every time you used the book in particular ways, or at all.

    I think that a better solution would be to a) prohibit authors et al from having copyrights if they use DRM at all, b) not just legalize circumventing DRM, but have the government help (with funding, coordination, and dissemination of the uncopyrightable plaintext), and c) to make some other alterations to copyright, such as beefing up deposit requirements (so that electronic copies are on file with the Library of Congress) and shortening term lengths (so that the book will enter the public domain quite rapidly, if the author et al even bothers to pursue copyright to begin with).

    Don't be such a defeatist. Stand up for a change, and fight for what you want!

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  14. Well guess what? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What you consider to be fair use doesn't matter, as it turns out you are not emperor and do not make the laws. That is most certainly NOT fair use. Fair use info can be found here: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use _Overview/chapter9/index.html. It's somewhat complex but what it comes down to is fair use allows you to use parts of a copyrighted work without permission for the purposes of commentary, criticism, parody and such. It does not allow you to make as many copies of something as you want just because you feel like it. That's infringement.

  15. Perhaps this is asking for too much... by GFree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... but is there anyone on Slashdot who is NOT an evangelical geek who's tried one of the Vista RCs and has something useful to say about it? This joking/FUD is getting tiring.

    For once I'd like to see an opinion from someone who tried Vista without any biases.

    1. Re:Perhaps this is asking for too much... by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's really not a lot to say about it. A few things become abundantly clear when you use it:

      1.) It feels very much like a redressed XP. It behaves the same as previous versions of Windows have. There are even dialogs dating back to Windows 3.1, like the Install Font dialog.

      2.) UAC is incredibly annoying. You'll see. You will hate it.

      3.) Something feels weird about it. I often find myself wanting to go back to XP. It might be the inconsistent interface that I'm not used to, or the overuse of gaudy visual effects (the animated ribbon swoosh used everywhere looks straight out of a 1980s public access channel logo). Maybe it's the nasty colors used everywhere in the the aquamarine/sea-green theme that is Aero.

      It's a weird feeling to use Vista, like it should have been out three years ago. It feels very dated in places.

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  16. Re:Schedules slip, milestones change meaning by jlarocco · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If they don't fix bugs between RC's then what, pray tell, are they supposed to be doing? Just printing the same discs over again with RC2 instead of RC1? BTW smart guy, they don't add features after RC1.

    It's an RC. Release Candidate. By traditional labeling, a release candidate is a possible release. You release the RC, and in a few days/weeks/months, if no "major" bugs are found, you release it without change. Anyone who tried RC1 can tell you that it was most certainly NOT ready to release without change.

    Right about now a million MS fanboys are screaming "But people found bugs, so they needed to fix them and make a new RC." But some of the bugs that were "found" and features that were missing were so glaring and obvious, there's no possible way MS expected it to be an actual release. I hate MS as much as the next guy, but they're simply not dumb enough to think RC1 could have been the real release. In the entire rest of the computing world, that's called a "beta." Like it or not, that's just the way it is.

    Opera, for example, uses their final release candidate as the final release. Just check out their weekly builds. September 18 was RC1, September 19 was RC2 (with a single bug fix), and on September 21 RC2 was released as 9.02. Same build number and everything. That's how it's supposed to be.

  17. Give it a try before you trash it by agressiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I'm sure I'll get some fairly smart-ass responses to this post, most of you trashing Vista probably haven't even touched it. Sure, some of the comments are funny, but most of its mindless trolling. Its more of contest for a "+1 Funny" than anything else.

    For those of you who have tried it (at least since RC1, everything before that was junk), and don't like it, then its not for you. Stick with whatever you have and move along. Your decision to not purchase Microsoft software will send a message.

    For those of you haven't, give RC2 a try, its free - at least for about 8-9 months or whatever. You can then judge all its flaws and gasp, maybe even give feedback to Microsoft so that maybe they can do something about it. Just make sure you are constructive rather than "get rid of DRM" which probably won't accomplish much of anything.

    agressiv

  18. OK, You've Convinced Me... by littlewink · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll try Vista. But first I gotta drink a quart of whisky and nail my penis to a picnic table.

  19. Re:Torrent? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Let's hear it for Akamai! Microsoft has been using Akamai for every public Vista release. More amusing is that Akamai is running on Linux.

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  20. Re:Torrent? by stinerman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, but getting it from the source doesn't give you that "OMG WAREZ" feeling that downloading off a shady BitTorrent tracker does.

  21. Re:bloated software by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Vista is so big and bloated that Microsoft's own developers don't understand it completely and consider it overly complex. It's so bad that they've already publicly discussed starting over for the next one (codenamed "Vienna") and just running pre-Vienna apps in a virtualized sandbox.

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  22. Re:Waste of Time by MicrosoftRepresentit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No it wasn't, you're first thought was "oh excellent a Vista article, another chance to karma whore with some tired geek tough talk about how I don't care about Vista, the OS I will be pirating the moment it is released!"

  23. Re:Waste of Time by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, it is necessary, or else everything would be pirated to hell and back.

    And piracy is bad, because?

    Remember, while I'm a copyright lawyer, I'm also thoroughly a utilitarian when it comes to copyright. This means that I only care about what best serves the public interest (which is divided into three sub-interests: creating and publishing original works, creating and publishing derivative works, and having no or minimal copyright) and not at all about authors or publishers, save for how that might affect the public.

    the issue of creators' rights

    Their rights are what we choose to give them, and we should only choose to give them rights when, and to the degree that, it serves our purposes to do so. Copyright isn't a civil liberty or an inherent right. It's artificial and granted for the purpose of the public good, like a municipal cable TV monopoly.

    Basically, you guys want to stack everything in favor of the pirates and against the creators.

    No, only in favor of the public. If the authors benefit from this, good for them. If not, I don't care. I take into account how the public benefit is affected by the benefit of authors (in much the same way that a farmer who raises eating chickens is concerned for the health of his flock up until he's ready to slaughter them, since this is what is best for him -- that the chickens would prefer a long and natural life is of no concern) but I am never going to support giving authors anything that is purely at the expense of the public with no greater benefit involved. That would be waste.

    This means that where pirates interfere with copyright that maximally serves the public interest, I am against those pirates, since they are ruining it for the rest of us. But where copyright is excessive (as it is now, IMO) and does not maximally serve the public interest, then some of the piracy is perfectly okay and in fact should be legalized, to reduce copyright down, closer to where it is ideal again. More copyright is not a good thing; in fact, it's generally worse than less.

    But it would be quite unlikely for me to support no copyright at all, which is basically what you're accusing me of. I wouldn't say I never would, but the situation that would give rise to that is pretty improbable.

    Besides, the GPL is essentially a form of DRM (digital rights management).

    No, the GPL is basically a contract. It doesn't interfere with the underlying law, in the way that DRM invariably does. For example, it is possible to reject the GPL, and then use portions of GPL'ed code pursuant to fair use, and still be acting lawfully. Whereas, if a work is DRM'ed, then it is going to interfere with fair uses just as much as with unlawful ones, because it is a simple, stupid restriction that cannot tell the difference.

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  24. Re:Waste of Time by cortana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you live in a country when it is illegal to watch your own damn DVDs then you have problems!

    (insert anne rand quotation about the imposibility of governing an honest man)