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International Music Industry Amps Up Anti-P2P War

newtley writes to mention a BBC article discussing a new initiative against file-sharers by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. This international version of the MPAA is breathing down the necks of 8,000 users of file-sharing software. From the article: "The new cases cover file sharers in 17 different countries who have been allegedly using sites including BitTorrent, eDonkey, SoulSeek and WinMX. For the first time legal action is being taken in Brazil, Mexico and Poland. The IFPI said the actions affect a wide-variety of people: a laboratory assistant has been charged in Finland, while a parson has been served with action in Germany."

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  1. In Other News by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news today, several socialist countries have launched The Pro-P2P International Socialist Society (PISS).

    This international version of 'everybody but the MPAA' is opening new cases against people & their sites that are allegedly attempting to sell digital copies of music that they themselves did not write or perform. The chair and spokesman of PISS, Mr. Blackbeard, said, "Aye, PISS is pissed. Digital music should be provided on the cheap--a utility the likes of water or that magic electricity ... Yarrr. Perhaps ye government could subsidize ye artists and let the people get jigs & tunes for free?"

    These lawsuits will affect a wide-variety of people: a programmer who coded a few lines of the Windows DRM algorithm, while Steve Jobs is facing seven life sentences in the gulags and is considered to be armed and advertising.

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    1. Re:In Other News by griffjon · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's not the complete acronym, it's actually the Pro-P2P International Socialist Society Of Free File-Sharers (PISSOFF).

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  2. What Organization? by imaginaryelf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whoa! Am I the only one that read: the International Federation of the Pornographic Industry and did a double take?

    1. Re:What Organization? by Panaqqa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real pornography here lies in how the *AA is screwing the artists and the consumers at the same time.

    2. Re:What Organization? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes more sense than Phonographic, frankly. Just goes to show how out of date those bastards are. If they had their way we'd still be listening to music on wax spools.

      Seriously. This is the first format we've ever had that actually had the possibility of being constant quality for the indefinite future, with lossless transference between devices. I mean records got scratched, or degraded in quality over time, magnetic tape stretches, and is super prone to mechanical defects, cd's oxidize and have the alumnium fall off, but digital audio files, not being tied to a player, are a real threat.

      Buy the White Album on CD and rip it to the format of your choice, and you'll never have to buy it again (assuming you back up your data). There is no way people will go back to the old "Tied to a chunk of physical stuff" method of information distribution. I just wish they would hurry up and realize this, instead of trying so hard to wish it true.

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    3. Re:What Organization? by oahazmatt · · Score: 4, Funny
      Whoa! Am I the only one that read: the International Federation of the Pornographic Industry and did a double take?

      I read it that way, too. Furthermore, I realized if the Porn Industry did fight back against P2P Networks, the internet may very well just stop.
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    4. Re:What Organization? by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 3, Informative

      you forgot to mention that they ARE opposed to digital distribution UNLESS it is crippled with DRM to the point that I more than likely WILL have to buy it AGAIN.

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    5. Re:What Organization? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Whoa! Am I the only one that read: the International Federation of the Pornographic Industry and did a double take?

      No, someone makes the same joke every time they're mentioned. Eg http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=19124 0&cid=15721315

      And amazingly enough, they often also get +5 funny. The mods must be goldfish.

    6. Re:What Organization? by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but +5 funny doesn't give any karma, so it doesn't matter.

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    7. Re:What Organization? by quincunx55555 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I realized if the Porn Industry did fight back against P2P Networks, the internet may very well just stop.

      Don't you mean that it would get it's tubes tied?

  3. Personal boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And this is why I don't buy music anymore (No I don't pirate it either).

  4. Phono-nono! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny
    International Federation of the Phonographic Industry
    Fucksocks! How will I download my pirated vinyl records and bootleg wax cylinders now?
  5. MPAA != RIAA by ColinPL · · Score: 3, Informative
    This international version of the MPAA
    of the RIAA
  6. Wrong organizations by klingens · · Score: 4, Informative

    The IFPI is the international counterpart of the RIAA not MPAA. The MPAA is movies, the RIAA is music, the IFPI is music.

  7. Canadian levies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't wait to see the first Canadian sued, then him/her countersuing this group and/or the SOCAN for their levies since copying is legal for personnal usage in Canada.

    1. Re:Canadian levies by lRem · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, good luck with suing in Poland. Sharing your music, and breaking the DRM, is perfectly legal here as long as you don't make money (or other material gains) on it.

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    2. Re:Canadian levies by alexo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Copying for personal use is exempt from copyright infringement within Canada, this is true, but this exemption does not apply if one is sharing it with others
      Are you sure about that?
      Really really sure?
      No doubt about it?

  8. "There is no excuse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "In each of the 17 countries involved in today's actions there are legal music services available to consumers. There is no excuse."

    Pardon me, but in some countries it just might be legal to download for your own use. Like it used to be in Finland, before Tanja ex-Karpela now-Saarela, Jukka Liedes and the Gramex mafia sold out to the media biz.

    And all those trained monkeys in the Parliament just keep on pushing the button as they are told by the party.

    We might as well replace the "elected representatives" with remote-controlled robots. I bet they would be cheaper, too.

    Yes, nowadays you can buy and download legally, IF the record label or rights holder in question has authorized your country to be the one who can download that specific track you want.

    1. Re:"There is no excuse" by giafly · · Score: 3, Funny
      "In each of the 17 countries involved in today's actions there are legal music services available to consumers. There is no excuse."
      He's obviously a very ignorant man who doesn't read Slashdot. Readers have submitted literally thousands of excuses.
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  9. Whales by Himring · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, whale songs are being investigated in the ocean. The ocean, itself -- being a great conductor of sound waves, could be the largest p2p network on earth, and if lawyers can piece together three consecutive notes of any copyrighted materials, whales could be served with papers ... or harpoons....

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    1. Re:Whales by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not too loud, I'm quite sure that's a way to make Norway and Japan side with the music industry.

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  10. And I continue not to buy music by Phoenix666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's pass that along to our kids, too. Instead of paying record labels, patronize podsafe music or amateur bands (most of whom sound better than record label pap).

    Or make your own music. That's the best of all.

    Since the RIAA began their suicidal jihad, I taught myself to play the guitar. I'm no virtuoso or even very good by any objective measure, but there's about 100 times the satisfaction and enjoyment in playing the 10 tunes I know than in just listening to any song I've ever heard.

    So, in a way, thank you RIAA for showing me that doing my own thing is far more amazing than giving you money for the garbage you laughingly, mockingly call 'art.'

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    1. Re:And I continue not to buy music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hope you paid for the rights to play those songs. Illegal/Stolen/Liberated Tabs support terrorism you know.

    2. Re:And I continue not to buy music by MostAwesomeDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. One of the sad side effects of Idiot America is that the new generation doesn't appreciate amazing guitarwork or groovy bass lines or solid time or meaningful lyrics. Guitarists once were asked how often they practiced; nowadays they're asked how they manage to get on the radio so much.

      Support artists who don't bow down before the RIAA. There are people, like me, that only publish under Creative Commons and won't ever sign a record contract. Find them, listen to them, support them. Odds are they sound better than anything you'll find on the radio.

      Above all, stop buying the music! Most music is not worth the cartel's price of $20 a CD. Hell, I could get three weeks of gas to commute to university and work for $20. The RIAA is still making roughly $40 billion a year. Maybe you working alone can't make a difference. That's fine. There's more than just a few of us. We are already clear enough on our position and large enough in numbers that it is scaring the shit out of these fat-cat businessmen, and forcing them to react in a rather panicked manner.

      They aren't suing people for the hell of it, and they aren't suing people to recoup money. They're doing it to instill fear. Show them that you aren't afraid to defy them.

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  11. Didn't see this coming by Aperculum · · Score: 3, Funny

    "a laboratory assistant has been charged in Finland"

    Oh my god! Our safe haven is compromised! *flees to sweden*

  12. The more you tighten your grip.... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the more star systems will slip through your fingers....

  13. Intimidation ? by quiberon2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Copyright law is fine ... well, actually, I would rather that it had been left the way that the Berne Convention had it about 20 years ago, and we should have spent our efforts understanding what it was, rather than changing it.

    But the owners of commercial content ... Star Wars DVDs, if you like ... are going round intimidating people away from doing things that they have a perfect right to do, such as putting recordings of them singing songs they have written themselves on their own web sites for distribution to anyone in the world who cares to take them.

    There should be some sanction against a cartel intimidaring someone into paying when no money is due. Is there any such sanction ? Jail time for fraud, maybe ?

  14. Re:Vinyl to mp3 converter? by paganizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, you can get a high-end turntable these days with a USB port. I just use line-out to my nforce2 audio in, and sample at about double CD quality; that ALMOST gets all the sound that is on vinyl that a CD misses.
    As for P2P, I can't use it anymore. My ISP politely asked me to stop, as it was really killing their ability to service their other customers.
    I'm serious; they didn't threaten to throttle me, kick me off, or sue me, they very politely requested that I cut back as much as possible.
    Which sucks, in a way. if they were assholes, i would have just circumvented whatever they tried. Now I have to play nice.
    Grrr.

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  15. How soon before Tor incorporated into FS nets? by davidwr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someday, maybe soon, the most popular peer-to-peer networks will have TOR or something similar built in and turned on by default, with the seed- and data-carrying nodes hidden behind .onion. Yeah the speed sucks but subpeonas suck worse.

    I'd love to see the RIAA try to shut down a beowulf cluster of those babies.

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    1. Re:How soon before Tor incorporated into FS nets? by Virgil+Tibbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the major problem is that tor eats up lots of bandwidth people generally dont want to switch bandwidth with safety until there is an actual threat the amount of people the RIAA etc have subpeoned etc is laughable compared to the number of people using these services the chances of being caught are very remote however i think at least end to end encryption is in order so the ISP cant spy on you

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  16. music in perspective by beaverfever · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You bring home a point about the entertainment industry that most people seem to forget. This is all about entertainment. The RIAA et al are up in arms because for them the whole piracy thing is about money, their bread and butter. It's show-biz.

    However, the arguments which come out of anti-DRM people et al really come across as being pathetic at times. There is a pervading sense that fundamental human rights are being trampled on, when we are talking about entertainment product. Nobody needs the latest hit singles. Nobody needs box sets, DVD extras, or music libraries of 10,000 songs. We want them.

    The entertainment industry, as in any other area of business, relies on supply and demand, and (as I have commented on before in /. threads), the huge amount of piracy which occurs only proves to the entertainment industry that demand is there. If you have never visited an Asian country, you have no idea how pervasive piracy of entertainment and software is throughout the world. It is huge.

    Anyone who argues against DRM or says the entertainment industry is somehow ripping off "the people", yet fights this through anti-DRM software, or some sort of piracy, or other means of getting the industry product they want on their own terms, they lose some respect from me.

    I say, put up or shut up. If you don't like what the RIAA does, if you think labels only offer music that sucks, if DVDs are overpriced or you don't like the "new release-newer release with extras" cycle, don't respond by taking their product on your own terms. That just says that you do indeed value that product and are willing to pay for it, just not in upfront cash - you are confirming the demand for the product.

    If you really mean what you say, respond by not accepting their product on any terms. Remove the demand entirely, and the market will react.

    Buy a guitar, a piano, an accordian or whatever, and learn how to play it. Go see a play in a local theatre instead of a major corporate Broadway tour. Don't initiate your kids into the corporate entertainment addiction by buying them cross-branded toys. Stop feeding the monkey on your back and turn off your fricking television. Entertain yourself and those around you instead of relying on someone else (corporations) to provide your escapism for you. You will probably find yourself living a more rewarding life.

    1. Re:music in perspective by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I say, put up or shut up. If you don't like what the RIAA does, if you think labels only offer music that sucks, if DVDs are overpriced or you don't like the "new release-newer release with extras" cycle, don't respond by taking their product on your own terms. That just says that you do indeed value that product and are willing to pay for it, just not in upfront cash - you are confirming the demand for the product.

      I don't know about you, but in my case it's that I only want to pay in upfront cash. I don't want to hit any region codes (I've got DVDs from three regions now and not going back), I don't want any unskippable ads, I don't want to buy a new monitor because my perfectly capable one doesn't support HDCP, I want to put them on my HTPC, I don't want to buy a new if it gets scratched (it's a 10 cent disk with a 10 dollar movie - it's like finding out you can't replace wear parts on your car). I want to be able to put in a CD and burn an MP3 CD for use in my car, or copy to my MP3 player.

      I want to buy a copy that I can then watch the way I want, no matter what format or medium or playback device I choose to use including making fair use copies to achieve that. My copy is mine and I can view it, lend it, sell it or whatever else I choose to do with it as long as all fair use copies go with it or is destroyed. That right is not contingent on any activation, authorization, transfer or revocation service from the copyright holder, it is inherent and inalienably stored in my copy. That I can't make copies for sale, public performance and so on is fair enough.

      You might of course say that is unreasonable and that I have no right to dictate what terms they should sell copies under, even though they affect my use of it in ways that has nothing do to with the copyright holder's law, but you are wrong. Courts have upheld rights that the copyright holder doesn't want to grant, it is not an absolute right. The fact that everything is now licensed, not sold is another symptom of this disease, in which they both legally and technologically go into my living room and tell me what I can and can't do.

      People "confirm demand" because they are demand. And I will get my supply from those who provide the superior product. In that sense, it seems awfully stupid make your product artificially inferior, but what do I know. I'm only a consumer.

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  17. Greed and Creativity by hypoxide · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since when do they go hand-in-hand?

    Music is not a commodity, it is an art. It is not meant to be sold, it is meant to be heard and played. It is meant to be shared and it will be. Try as it may, the corporate music industry cannot stop this movement. I look forward to its rapture.

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  18. They'd really prefer wax. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, they'd like everyone to be on wax spools, but they'd like you to buy a new copy every few years when the old one wears out. Actually, what they'd really like is if each recording was a one-shot, somehow destroyed in the playback process. That would be just teriffic.

    It's the electronics industry, not the music industry, that has driven new formats. The music industries go along with it because they make a lot of money in the short term, but they're rarely the drivers of new formats. In fact they tend to discourage their adoption more than anything else.

    The music industry has been okay with the last few format transitions and hasn't fought the electronics companies too hard, because they've occured more rapidly than the old medium would have worn out. Thus, they made more money off of getting people to "buy up" to CDs than if they had waited around for vinyl records to all wear out and need replacement. Only now, they're starting to realize that they may have eaten the goose that could have laid a lot of golden eggs -- by forcing an 'upgrade' to CDs from vinyl, they made a lot of money in the short term, but they also gave people a format that doesn't wear out and is easily transferable to computers, where it can be replicated losslessly and endlessly, forever.

    I'm betting they wished they had stuck with wax.

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  19. No excuse by davitf · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "In each of the 17 countries involved in today's actions there are legal music services available to consumers. There is no excuse."

    Actually I can think of a few excuses:

    • the music I want is not available in any legal music service in my country
    • the music I want is not available in legal music services in a format I can use
    • the legal music services restrict my usage of the music in ways that make it less useful to me than "illegal" downloads
    • I cannot use any of the payment methods offered by the legal music services
    • I want to listen to the music in its entirety to decide if it is worth buying
    • I do not have enough money to buy the music I want (but intend to buy it when I do)

    Some of them may be less acceptable than others, but the notion that the simple existence of a legal music service in a country means that there isn't any excuse for downloading music there is, in my opinion, extremely short-sighted.