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AnalogWhole, an Alternative To FairUse4WM

Squidmarks writes, "AnalogWhole is a free application that allows any file that can be played in Windows Media Player to be transferred to iTunes as an MP3. It uses, you guessed it, the 'analog hole' to re-record any DRM'ed song as an MP3. Because the analog signal doesn't actually leave the computer, but is simply looped back in the sound card, sound quality of the re-recording is excellent. All meta data is transferred as well. The MP3 file is automagically added to iTunes. Just show it where you store your DRM music and walk away."

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  1. Still loss of quality by amplusquem · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is still looped through the sound card, so while quality may still be "excellent", there is still loss. I would rather use a program such as QTFairUse which doesn't lose any sound quality.

    1. Re:Still loss of quality by omeomi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is still looped through the sound card, so while quality may still be "excellent", there is still loss.

      There's also loss do to re-compressing an already compressed file as an MP3. Overall, it's not the best of option...especially given the horrid quality of most consumer-level ADC's.

    2. Re:Still loss of quality by Threni · · Score: 5, Funny

      > It is still looped through the sound card, so while quality may still be "excellent", there is still loss.

      mmm...but just listen to that lovely analog warmth! I'll take that over digital accuracy anyday...

    3. Re:Still loss of quality by gameforge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know a number of audiophiles who detest MP3s. I've tricked them into saying that the actual CD was an MP3 and the MP3 I ripped from that CD was the real CD. They couldn't actually tell a difference and were taking guesses.

      If you use LAME, set your Q to 9. A 320kbps MP3 with Q=1 and 320kbps mp3 with Q=9 are WILDLY different, while both the same bitrate and same size. Whatever garbage MP3 files you have, re-encoding them as 320kbps/Q9 files isn't going to make them sound any worse to 99.9% of humans. Of course it takes more time to encode them this way.

      Another point, not for you, but for some of your parent posts - think about a soundcard with a digital out. That means, the bits get decoded and sent to the amp - if the amp (or whatever you plug the digital line into) can capture the bits, you've got a perfect/lossless rip - no DAC was involved. Volume controls and DSP's may change the bits somehow, and it will take playing-with to get it right... but it will produce satisfactory results once you do.

      I would test this for people, but I own (and will always own) absolutely ZERO DRM content.

      I own a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy... I know even a cheap SBLive! can do this... I would try the following to get a pure digital copy, in this order:

      1. Play a DRM'd file, set the recording channel to "What U Hear", and record. If that doesn't work...
      2. Get a LiveDrive (plugs into SB Live's & Audigy's) cheap on eBay, and an optical cable... then plug optical out into optical in and try to record the optical in. If that doesn't work...
      3. Get two computers, one with a digital out and one with a digital in. Try it that way. If that doesn't work...
      4. Uninstall iTunes or whichever thing is giving you this unplayable worthless crap to begin with, and tell their distributor to go to hell. Then take your stereo equipment and hurl it at Sony-Poo's nuts, and sing to yourself until a better solution comes along.

      I can actually guarantee positive results with that last one.

  2. And the point is?? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Users have always been able to do this manually, if they had a decent recording program. Why the hoopla over a fancy software tool designed to do this one thing specifically? Does it save a few seconds? Further, this is really beside the point. DRM often still prevents users from making faithful digital copies of their own -- purchased, paid for, and legal -- media. This is a non-issue.

  3. So... by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, it's just like using Audacity to record whatever goes through the sound card?

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  4. Re:Sound quality by kiwimade · · Score: 3, Funny

    Considering its targeting stuff like ipod playback, this shouldn't be a problem.

  5. An alternative by moggie_xev · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look at http://www.highcriteria.com/ Total recorder when I was more windows centric I used it and I was happy.

  6. PatchGuard by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it just pipes sound output from the mixer to MP3, what are the chances that Vista could block off access to mixer output except for low-level (driver) access, which is then blocked by PatchGuard?

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  7. Spend 3 minutes naming it next time, not 2. by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Funny

    I dare you to find anything at all funny about the word "AnalogWhole".

  8. Re:Analog? by Joebert · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If it just uses the Windows mixer and the sound never actually leaves the soundcard, I suspect that it just stays digital the entire time, and is never actually converted to analog.

    I hope you're right, I get the feeling heads would roll if the general public found out the digital music stuff they sold a kidney for was just converting it back to what they already had before they actually hear it.
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  9. Secure Audio Path is in Windows ME, XP, and Vista by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative
    what are the chances that Vista could block off access to mixer output except for low-level (driver) access

    Very high. Windows Millennium Edition and Windows XP operating systems already support the Secure Audio Path, which places the (WHQL logo approved) decrypter, (WHQL logo approved) decoder, and (WHQL logo approved) audio output driver in kernel space. Part of the WHQL logo requirement is that no driver may mix Secure Audio Path audio into any cleartext digital output, and no driver without a logo is a valid Secure Audio Path playback device. However, few if any WMA files that require the Secure Audio Path are in the wild yet. However, record labels will begin to change their requirements as WMA stores' customers replace their computers that came with Windows 98 or Windows 2000 with newer computers that come with Windows Vista.

    For WMA files that use Secure Audio Path, you'll need a $5 audio cable and Audacity.

  10. Re:oops by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not as terrible as buying low-bitrate music with DRM was in the first place.

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  11. Re:Analog? by qbwiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right. So unless it's going through a DAC, it's the digital hole. Anyway, I thought everyone knew not to transcode files.

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  12. An MP3? by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shouldn't be a problem. Heck, you could even say that it plays for sure.

  13. The Anal Ogg Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good name for a pr0n flick about open source audio codecs, yes?

    Yes, I know what you're saying.. there aren't any porn flicks about open source software.

    I aim to change that.

    As soon as I get a video camera and work up the nerve to leave mom's basement. *peeks out window*

  14. Re:Rudy Van Gelder by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DRM'd music and .wma have mediocre sound quality to begin with


    Can you please justify this? I have a Klipshe ProMedia 5.1 surrounds system with an SB Audigy Gamer Edition (yes ancient sound card but it sounds beautiful to me) and I can not tell the difference between a high bit rate .WMA file (or even one of the "lossless" compression ones.) and the same song playing from CD. The Klipshe setup i have was also one of the "Kick Ass" rated setups from Maximum PC before they changed the styling and unfortunatly lost some sound quality in ~2002.
    Now don't get me wrong, maybe you DO hear a difference, but I don't and I have been a "audiophile" for many years, i can't listem to music unless it is on a HI-FI stereo in my car, same for my home theater system.
    I even remember a Maximum PC article ( lete 2005-ish) where they took a bunch of people and played music THEY brought in and had them try to tellthe difference between .wav 128K 296K and the 392K compression schemes (well it was on MP3 format but still the same goes) and most of the people got them wrong.


    I apologize if i rambled a bit i am posting from a hospital. They have free WIFI....woot! Now if only the painkillers were free :-(

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  15. Sigh. by daeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What can be seen or heard can be copied, no matter how difficult you make it.

  16. Re:Quit Your Sniping and See the Benefits by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, but if you have those DRM'ed files, it means you have bought them. Your dollars told the record company that you accept DRM, even if you find a workaround later. Of course, it is a good thing that this workaround exists; but, as a principle, one should not have bought that junk in the first place!

  17. If you don't want to lose quality... by gregorio · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...build your own USB "converter". Companies like Texas Instruments have lots of devices like PCM2704, that allow access to an unprotected sound bitstream. It's pretty simple to build a fake digital speaker that just redirects the data to a fake digital line in. Some microcontrolled usb sound devices contain both input and output devices on the same IC, so you can software redirect the output (coming from the computer) to the input (going back to it).

    So you don't even need an "Analog hole". You can use a digital hole and don't lose any quality at all. And this kind of device is perfectly accepted by any "content protection" driver schemes.

    It's impossible to protect sound files.

  18. Re:Analog? by tolan-b · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well seeing as we've been told it's using the 'analog hole' I think it's a fair assumption that that's how it works.

    Seems the analogue in can capture the analogue out before it leaves the card, presumably bypassing whatever DRM enforcement happens in the lower level Windows Media layers:

    "Windows Media Player does the tough job of converting the 1's and 0's particular to that codec the music was stored as into an analog output that is played through the sound card. While the song is playing, AnalogWhole re-routes this analog signal back into the recording input of the sound card. "

  19. Not with good files. by lindseyp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most people who say this are used to mp3s being low quality. I too can easily tell the difference when quality is that low.

    But for "LAME --preset insane" quality files, which tend to be about 2x the filesize, I've done my own blind tests on high end equipment: i.e.:

    Winamp

    ->Audiophile24/96 sound card

    -> Benchmark DAC1

    -> Decware Zen Triode Integrated Amplifier

    -> Gallo Nucleus Reference II speakers

    Or replace the DAC and amp with a Denon AVC-A1SE amplifier (that's a ref. quality $5000 a/v amp)

    I've also listened with Sony MDR D77 headphones, and Shure E3 studio monitor earphones with both of these amps.

    In my own conclusion I couldn't tell the difference.

    I coded the files back to WAV, a mix of high quality recordings of classical, rock, techno and Clapton, and invited a self-professed bunch of audiophiles to volunteer their opinion on which were the true WAVs and which had gone through the mp3 coding process. Nobody volunteered an opinion.

    Since then I always code my music to mp3 using that setting. I've DJd using that quality of file with Virtual DJ with no pitch correction (important, this affects quality a lot) and had other DJs tell me they couldn't believe I was not using Vinyl.

    I wish I still had the files I prepared, I would post them here for your enjoyment, but I don't doubt some slashdot genius would come back with the correct answers by examining the files digitally.

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  20. Re:Sound quality by Metteyya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bullshit. Or, if you like it that way, you're right, but that's completely not applicable here. It's just that signal - still in digital form - is received by another app, that's all. Sort of like JACK works - manages exchange of many (digital) audio "streams" between applications. So it's something completely different than "physical" loopback, like plugging your card's line-out to its line-in. Some audio apps already work that way (mentioned JACK for Linux, for example), the only new thing here is automatisation of the whole process and using already available players in the system.

  21. Re:well by ocelotbob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple has a lossless codec in addition to AAC. It's playable in itunes and the ipod.

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