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Has 3D Video Finally Arrived?

pospisil writes to point us to an enthusiastic writeup on Tech.blorge.com about a 3D display technology just launched at the eGames Expo in Melbourne. The technology, from a company called Fountain Consulting, is set to ship in January. From the article: "The Vortex Home Entertainment System isn't just set to revolutionize 3D forever, they have revolutionized it. With a library of 500 current PC-based games titles converted to flawless 3D, and even the ability to convert 2D live television into 3D live television, as well as pre-recorded movies on DVD, Blu-ray and HD-DVD." There is no second source for this story. Exciting news if it pans out.

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  1. Slashdotted already by VanessaE · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jeez people, not a single comment and it's already slashdotted...give the rest of us a chance!

    1. Re:Slashdotted already by Attaturk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah! I mean how the hell are we supposed to debunk vaporware if the even hype is vapor! =D

    2. Re:Slashdotted already by Millenniumman · · Score: 5, Funny

      The implications of that are fearful. Slashdotters might be starting to read the articles before commenting!

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    3. Re:Slashdotted already by freakmn · · Score: 2, Funny

      It isn't slashdotted. However, you do need a 3D monitor to view it. Pretty sweet to see, I think. Don't you have a 3D viewscreen? And you dare to tread in news for nerds. Any respectable nerd would have at least 3. I know I have 7. Some people...

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  2. Uh oh by Salvance · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd truly hate to see what the adult entertainment industry would do with this one ... sure, there'd be some gems, but how many plots would revolve around having the stars "reach out and grab you" over and over.

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    1. Re:Uh oh by gaijin99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He wasn't worried about porn being made with it, he was worried about bad repetitive porn being made with it.

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    2. Re:Uh oh by Xolom · · Score: 3, Funny

      since when do pornos need plots?
      they'd be better off without the awful acting and poor dialogue
      hours of fun, pure sex, no plot

      the "reach out and grab you" idea sounds like something off the 100 worst porn titles of all time list (http://members.shaw.ca/stayasyouare/tohwpmt.html

    3. Re:Uh oh by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, I think I'd rather like to see with the adult entertainment industry would do with this one.

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    4. Re:Uh oh by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 3, Funny

      there's non-repetative porn? URL?

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    5. Re:Uh oh by Cylix · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, I have some exciting non-repetitive porn for you...

      Feast your eyes on this....

      A half-man half-goat raping an entire campus sorority of devil worshiping pre-med ninjas!

      The action never stops!

      Oh, you already saw that one before....

      Well, I've got nothing.

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    6. Re:Uh oh by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      With 3D porn you're kind of missing the point if you think it's the actors who'll do the reaching and grabbing.

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  3. The site is down, but I found this link by siddesu · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:The site is down, but I found this link by pospisil · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article is also available at the Australian edition of TECH.BLORGE.com: http://www.freeaccess.com.au/Structure:%20/2006/11 /19/forget-hdtv-the-future-is-3dtv/.

  4. 3D TV by gadzook33 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ability to convert 2D television to 3D? I'm skeptical. Now, if there was a way to transmit my chocolate, that would be something.

  5. It's not slashdotted... by NeonGoat · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need a 3D monitor to view the site.

    1. Re:It's not slashdotted... by benplaut · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank goodness I didn't buy a flatscreen!

  6. My willingness to suspend disbelief... by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... ends here:

    "and even the ability to convert 2D live television into 3D live television, as well as pre-recorded movies on DVD, Blu-ray and HD-DVD."

    How can you "upconvert" 2D images to 3D when there is no 3D information to work with, hm?

    Will this be bundled with the Phantom? Launch alongside DNF?

    1. Re:My willingness to suspend disbelief... by ResidntGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's 3D data. As for the ACTUAL plausibility of the concept, I should hope the GP doesn't lose all depth perception when he closes one eye. Obviously it's possible to extrapolate 3D from 2D, just difficult.

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    2. Re:My willingness to suspend disbelief... by Joe+Random · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I should hope the GP doesn't lose all depth perception when he closes one eye
      Humans compensate for this in several ways. One is to move the head slightly side-to-side. This parallax information can help you in determining distance. Here's an example. Note that this requires extra information, so it's not useful in the case of upsampling 2D to 3D.

      Another method is to notice when one object occludes another. That could possibly be automated, but you'd need some very sophisticated image recognition and tracking technology. Possibly some pre-processing, too, to avoid objects suddenly "jumping" along the z axis as their size changes force their calculated distances to be modified.

      There's also the fact that we tend to know the relative sizes of various common objects, and comparing that to their perceived sizes can give rough distance information. That would require image recognition technology of a degree that we don't currently have, though.

      So it looks like occlusion is probably the only method that could glean 3D info from a 2D source with any degree of accuracy, and I can't imagine that that's be very accurate or, indeed, always possible. Plus, I suspect the results would look like a pop-up book, with different portions of the image represented as flat objects on different planes rather than 3D objects.
    3. Re:My willingness to suspend disbelief... by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So long as I follow the object with one eye, still trivial, although I admit it became rather trivial with both eyes closed after only about a dozen passes. Sight is not the only source of information on the path of the object.

      Human stereoscopic vision is optimized for the handling things we have in our hands. They are adjuncts to our opposable thumbs more than anything else. Fine control, close up. For tying the head on the spear shaft, not for throwing the spear.

      How many eyes does the sniper hold to his scope?

      The power of our sterescopic vision fades dramtically after only a few feet and peters out all together at about 30.

      I'm looking at a talking head on 2D TV right now. I could accurately model this head in 3D clay (at least to the extent that I'm capable of the raw act) from that 2D image - because most our depth perception does not come from out stereoscopic vision.

      KFG

    4. Re:My willingness to suspend disbelief... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

      How can you "upconvert" 2D images to 3D when there is no 3D information to work with, hm?

      "Smart" algorithms can make some pretty good guesses based on the same kind of information that the mpeg compression algorithms use to create motion vectors. Yes, the motion vectors in mpeg are 2D in the plane of the screen, but add in some smarts to recognize "objects" that get bigger (approaching) and smaller (receding) and you've got enough info to do some pseudo 3D. If you can recognize rotation then you can do some really nice fake-3D.

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  7. Interesting by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 2, Informative

    If this actually does pan out that would be very cool. I have my doubts, however it does seem to be reputable. For people who can't see it here, http://www.itwire.com.au/index2.php?option=com_con tent&do_pdf=1&id=7242, is a link to a PDF version of the text. I'm curious as to whether or not laptops will be able to use this technology. Pretty sure it's no but I can always hope they'll make something available...

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    1. Re:Interesting by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Informative
      If this actually does pan out that would be very cool. I have my doubts, however it does seem to be reputable.

      Well yes, it must be reputable: I mean it was posted to the front page of Slashdot. I presume it works by using 25x compression encrypted with quasar one time pads powered by free energy, or possibly quantum physics disproving cold fusion from blacklight power. Or, well, something like that. And ultimately that's a very limited sampling (based on what I could remember, or find with a few minutes searching) of the pure pseudoscientific bullshit slashdot so eagerly posts.
  8. Sure.. by andy753421 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "and even the ability to convert 2D live television into 3D live television" I hear their also adding a feature to 'zoom' and 'enhance' grainy pixelated feeds into high quality 1080p as well.

    1. Re:Sure.. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, they'll probably just do a CSI-style "reverse algorithmic" that'll just clean it right up.

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    2. Re:Sure.. by x2A · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not that far fetched. There are all sorts of cues you can use to tell depth and then you can extrapolate an "off by 5 degrees" image; slightly stretch some pixels and shrink others for one eye, and the other way round for the other eye, will make one eye seem to see more of one side, and the other see more of the other.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEQELp0uqA (jump to around 2:30 to see example)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuoljANz4EA (more examples)

      And these use a single picture to work from. If you have a moving picture, you have even more information to work with. There may be small artifacts of cause, but these could easily blend out when applying to a moving picture.

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  9. From the Department of Redundancy Department... by IronTeardrop · · Score: 2, Funny
    "The Vortex Home Entertainment System isn't just set to revolutionize 3D forever, they have revolutionized it."
    Well, thank goodness for that.
  10. /.'d by neuro.slug · · Score: 4, Funny
    Maybe when we have this new OMGWTF 3D technology, this text will look so 1337 I won't care:

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  11. Others are already doing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. How many does this make? by edwardpickman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Revolutionary 3D systems are anounced about as often as Bigfoot sightings and pan out about as often. I'll believe it when I see one.

  13. Sure it works! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Expect any 2D to 3D conversion to work about as well as those B&W to colour conversion filters you could get back in the 50s and 60s. The tecnology they used was called "faith".

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  14. If they claimed it for games only it might be real by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's straightforward to do this for 3D games, because the system has real depth information. Just use shutter glasses and render alternate frames with the viewpoint shifted by one eye separation distance. That's easy, and looks good if the system can render upwards of 70 fps.

    But any scheme for converting existing 2D content to "3D" will probably fall somewhere between "looks stupid" and "generates splitting headaches".

    Stereo vision doesn't do anything useful for objects more than a few meters away. It's most useful for close work, which is rare in games. It's more useful for mechanical CAD, medical imaging data, and similar stuff you need to view close up. Which is why 3D movies, TV, games, etc. never really caught on.

  15. Re:Article text by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a steaming pile of BS right here.:

    "You really need to see a demo of the system playing the latest games, in 3D, with a pair of standard 3D glasses (similar to those handed out at IMAX or Real D cinemas)"

    Those IMAX glasses are designed to work with polarized 3D sources. The lenses are designed to only let one orientation of polarized light in, call it 0 or 90 degrees. One lens is rotated 90 degrees to the other, so each eye sees a separate polarization. Two projectors are used, each projecting different polarizations.

    So basically, this company has apparently figured out to get your existing monitor or TV to magically display two orientations of polarized light, simultaneously! And the best part is, they are modifying the graphics card, not the display, to do it!

    This whole article smells like an elaborate troll.

  16. Don't worry disbelivers. by BaronSprite · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ben Affleck will take this apart and make a better one in about 5 minutes.

  17. flicker++ by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    haha americans, for once I can say I was there... and it sucked. perhaps it'd be useful if you want to induce epileptic fits in people, but honestly, the "3D Video" stall was really lame. people would pick up the glasses, look for a while wondering why nothing happened, then someone would point out then needed to be infront of the little sensor/projector thing. so they'd move in front of it, and think to themselves "wow, this looks like crap and is giving me a headache" and put the glasses back down. total turnaround time of about a minute.

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  18. Re:Meh by solitas · · Score: 2, Informative

    Technically it's "stereographic" since the eyes are really viewing two flat images - you can't move your head to see 'around' the object. "Stereoscopic" is the way your eyes function when viewing real three-dimensional objects.

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  19. Not as good as it sounds by zik · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was at the eGames expo on Friday and tried out the 3d display. My thought was "Oh, someone's still doing the LCD shutter glasses?". It was just the same old technology from years ago as far as I could see. The only new thing was that they'd made a clever driver which hooked into DirectX so existing games could be used in 3d.

    Sorry guys, there was no 2d->3d conversion at all.

  20. That sounds very close, actually by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    3D from single photos has been available for a little while, mostly working with geometric content lines to establish likely 3d patterns, then mapping the image onto that pattern. It's possible that they're using color and focus clues as well, though I don't know about that part.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuoljANz4EA
    It's a pretty impressive technology. If you could do the analysis 60 times per second, you could have a convincing system for single-perspective 3D in most circumstances.

    I wish I could remember the names of the companies, but I know there are "traditional" 3D screen display manufacturers working on upsampling using the additional depth cues of between-frame camera movements, which the above example did not take advantage of.

  21. Re:Meh by mpaulsen · · Score: 3, Funny

    I only have one working eye, you insensitive clod. None of those 3-D things work for me.

  22. Re:Install a bullshit meter next to each story. by x2A · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except for the fact that many slashdotters call bullshit because they do not understand the article, they do not believe that somebody has accomplished something simple because they cannot see how it would be possible, or misinterpret what is claimed to have been accomplished.

    A slashdot bullshit meter would in fact be, bullshit.

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  23. It is all in the brain.... by aepervius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I remmember correctly, if the brain is used to the item you are looking at, even looking with one eye you will ahve the eprception of depth, NOT because one eye is enough, but because the rbain "remember" it. Now try the same (only 1 eye) in an unfamiliar item or environment, that the brain cannot recognize.

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  24. Re:Article text by kernelpanicked · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not sure why you're calling BS or why you got modded up for it. It's not like it hasn't been done before. Wes Craven's: New Nightmare was released on VHS with a set of modified 3D glasses, and yes it worked.

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