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Fastest Spinning Black Hole Ever Found

brian0918 writes, "NewScientist reports that researchers in Cambridge have detected a black hole spinning at nearly 1,000 times per second — the fastest ever recorded. From the article: 'McClintock's team examined a black hole in our galaxy called GRS 1915+105, which lies about 36,000 light years away. They found the innermost stable orbit around GRS 1915 is so close that the black hole must be spinning at nearly 1000 times per second. The finding supports the idea that only fast-spinning stars can collapse to create powerful explosions called long gamma-ray bursts.'" The Astrophysical Journal abstract is open but you have to be a subscriber to read the full article there.

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  1. Fastest Spinning Black-Hole by Quaoar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this title was held by White House press secretary Tony Snow...

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    1. Re:Fastest Spinning Black-Hole by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ahh, so he's considered a black hole because of his ability to absorb vast amounts of information, yet emit nothing in return, except through accidental leaks over billions of years? Brilliant insight!

    2. Re:Fastest Spinning Black-Hole by fonetik · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could probably throw something in there about being so dense that light actually bends around him.

  2. In the spirit of Dave Barry... by Lanoitarus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would like to point out that "Long gamma ray bursts" would be an excellent name for a rock band.

    1. Re:In the spirit of Dave Barry... by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 2, Informative
  3. Original Article by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    The original article is from The Astrophysical Journal and I'm not sure if you can read this but I'll link it here. I have an account so that may be unreachable, if it is try the PDF of it or the abstract. I often enjoy reading the original article no matter how large and complex it is. If anything, it causes me to look up more terms so that I feel like I'm learning something.

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  4. Black holes Vs. Planets by SoVeryTired · · Score: 2

    I find it amazing that they can find an object which emits absolutely no light, halfway across the galaxy, and yet it's still so hard to find planets. I know they find the black holes by their accretion discs, but I still think it's remarkable.

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    1. Re:Black holes Vs. Planets by 0racle · · Score: 3, Informative

      If there was a planet with a gravitational pull equivalent to a Black Hole, I bet they'd find it pretty quick.

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    2. Re:Black holes Vs. Planets by jimstapleton · · Score: 3, Informative

      because they don't use light to detect either, they use the effect on nearby matter; which means their gravity, and not their size/light is what matters. Although someone mentioned that black holes also have a kind of "halo", which could also still be used. Also there is an accretion disk (I believe that's what it's called), around a black hole where stuff is getting sucked in. That would create a large and visible effect.

      Nonetheless, a planet will make a star vibrate ever-so-slightly-and-slowly, whereas a black whole will make who masses of stuff rotate around it, and suck them in.

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    3. Re:Black holes Vs. Planets by twifosp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If there was a planet with a gravitational pull equivalent to a Black Hole, I bet they'd find it pretty quick.

      Erm, if there was a planet with a gravitational pull equivalent to a black hole, it would for all intents and purposes be a black hole. A hunk of matter with enough mass to equal the gravitational pull of a black hole would also not emit light. It would also have to be incredibly spread out. It would also have enough mass to start fusion and would either be a gas giant or would collapse and form a star, and then collapse more as the fusion/fission process wouldn't be enough to keep it expanded and would become a black hole anyway, sigularity and all.

      So yea... it would be easy to find by using gravity inferences, like how they find black holes anyway, but it would still not emit light. Thank you, Captain Semantic

  5. One thing is for sure. by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Funny

    We know it won't fly apart from centrifugal force.

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    1. Re:One thing is for sure. by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's take a leap...

      Being an armchair physicist, I was wondering what *if* the hole was spinning almost the speed of light (>99.999%) at the horizon, then wouldn't the centrifugal force almost equal the gravitational force at the horizon? Enough that the horizon would shrink ever so slighly (or via Uncertainly Principle), making something that was once inside, now outside? Discounting for "quantum hair", even a couple of photons escaping would disagree with the theory "Whatever falls in a blackhole can't escape". At the very least, this would be an acceleration of the "evaporating black hole" theory.

      Now we take this a step farther, and what if you CAN shrink the blackhole just a fraction, then INFORMATION about the blackhole is gained from photons that were once inside and now outside, without them being virtual particles. Yes, this rather violates what we think we know about the physics of blackholes, which is very little.

      It is entirely possible that I am just too ignorant to fully understand these concepts and missing something. Interesting though.

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  6. Get the full text (no subscription) here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  7. Is that fast enough for closed timelike curves? by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In theory, that could be a time machine... anyone know the details of the math?

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    1. Re:Is that fast enough for closed timelike curves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anyone seen John Titor lately?
      Yup, I saw him tomorrow

  8. The moon is green cheese by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yes, a deliberately inflammatory subject line. In The Olde Dayes, people said the moon was made of green cheese because it has the colour of green (unripened) cheese and their models were not very sophisticated. We still rely on models and the outcomes are only as good as the models themselves, and the observations they are based on.

    People, what we have is a model, not an observation. As TFA says, this model is based on assumptions, though fewer assumptions in the past:"Now, astronomers have measured the spin of a black hole with a new method that requires fewer assumptions."

    The black hole may indeed be spinning at 1000 revs, or is might just be that one of the model assumptions is invalid.

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    1. Re:The moon is green cheese by Decaff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe that if the people on the street actually knew how and what we use (we..as in humankind)to collect the data that describes our physical universe and existence, they wouldn't believe a single thing the "scientific" community tells them. The modeling (practically all of it...pick your discipline) is flawed to the point that the data is literally unusable in an honest way.

      If you believe that, you had better not fly. GPS systems only work because of General Relativity - Newton's work isn't accurate enough. GPS is proof of Einstein's work. Instead of being 'literally unusable', the information we collect is vital for so much of current technology.

      So your attempt to disprove global warming by this argument just won't work. Sorry.

  9. So the question is... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    So the question is, whos grave is it and what did we do to get them to spin that fast?

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  10. Makes sense to me... by e4g4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...some astronomers have expressed doubt that stars would be spinning fast enough at this stage in their lives.

    Now, i'm not an astrophysicist, but it seems to me that if a star had any spin at all before collapsing into a black hole, that spin would be magnified quite substantially, to conserve angular momentum (y'know, like a figure skater, or you spinning on your office chair).

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  11. Full Article Available for Free by Betelgeuse · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you'd like to see the whole article, as published in the Astrophysical Journal, you can find it on the astro-ph journal pre-print server. It's not the "official" journal version, but it should be identical to it (and was submitted to the preprint server by the authors).

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  12. 1K Hz sounds about right... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a 20 mile diameter pulsar spinning at 716 Hertz. When you factor in the increase in rotational speed with the black hole contraction, 1K sounds real plausible.

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  13. This When to the Egress by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some astrophysicists say that some spinning cylindrical black holes warp spacetime enough that a projectile moving through its nearby region gets its velocity rotated to travel through time instead of a spatial axis. Is this new one the longest wormhole yet found?

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  14. In the immortal words of Space Quest IV... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2

    one of the stock phrases, whenever you try to touch something interesting but non-functional in the game:
    "Doooon't mess with it!"

    In this case, it sounds extremely functional, in the gravity-that-rips-your-arms-off sense.

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  15. Re:Not so impressed by Gogogoch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparantly, there is no data loss. That idea has been revised. Just a very, very long access time.

  16. Re:fuck a bunch of YOU!!! by Gogogoch · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not that kind of Black Hole, you idiot!

  17. obligatory by owlnation · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one, welcome our new extremely dizzy overlords.

  18. Re:Orbiting at no more than 30 miles from the cent by Eternauta3k · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's got to be on the verge of exploding. I wonder what effect the explosion will have here on Earth at 38,000 light years away?
    Maybe it has already exploded. Just wait 38,000 years to find out.
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  19. Squished apart by jbeaupre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I remember correctly, centrifugal force as we know it actually reverses near a black hole. Pulling inward instead of outward. A rotating black hole may be compressed further by its rotation. Maybe someone familiar with the phenomena can shed more light.

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    1. Re:Squished apart by shrubsky · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not certain, but you might be thinking about frame dragging. Rotating objects drag space-time around with them; the more massive the object, the stronger the effect. Because black holes tend to the massive side and can spin very very fast the frame dragging effect can be very strong near the event horizon.

      Because of this effect, it is impossible not to orbit a rapidly spinning black hole as you fall in; you'll get dragged around along with space-time. I'm guessing (without having actually heard or read this) that you may only get centrifugal force for your angular velocity that exceeds the speed at which space-time is rotating. Otherwise, as far as space-time is concerned, you're just falling straight in. The end effect of this is that objects that appear to be rotating around the black hole to a distant observer may actually be falling straight in.

      I've probably put enough conjecture and botched explainations in there to attract the attention of a real physicist, so just hang on for the real explanation. :-)

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  20. Re:why spinning it good by qwijibo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A 747 could easily be deflected with BBs. The velocity and quantity of BBs is the most relevant factor. A billion BBs would deflect a 747 pretty easily. Or maybe just a handful of BBs at 2/3 the speed of light.

  21. Multi-Dimensional Universe by writerjosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "A lot of research is focusing on creating an opening into the higher dimensional Hyperspace that contain innumerable universes. If it can be done, our whole world will change. We will leap forward in the advancement of science and technologies by millions of years.

    Every black hole has a central singularity. These are points where mathematical modeling fails. That is because we assume every thing is 3-D. But the fact of the matter is these centers of black holes are singularities in 3-D but are actually simply transition points in higher dimensions..." [source]

    Whoa

    1. Re:Multi-Dimensional Universe by Jerf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Uh, "Informative" my ass. A selection of other "technology" articles from India Daily, obtained simply by clicking on the "technology" tab on their page:
      Gravity wave connectors through black hole singularities connect integrated consciousness from the chilled universe: Mathematically it is clear now that gravity waves can easily pass through the points of singularities in the black holes. These connect the integrated consciousness and provide guidance from the chilled universe below the Hyperspace.

      We are part of a super advanced Type IV extraterrestrial civilization- projection of Zero Point Energy Module encapsulated as life on 3-D vector space with increasing span: After attaining perfection or 'Error Vector zero', we move on to higher dimension and continue the process till we cross into the chilled universe.

      The world of advanced extraterrestrial civilizations - life-surrounding singularities: The time and space dimensions (infinite in numbers) can be accessed individually, manipulated and new configurations can be created.
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  22. Method by iamlucky13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is true. However, this is currently our best estimate, and the theory applied is pretty well-respected. It may be interesting to know that this finding supports a 1997 suggestion that this particular black hole spins very close to its maximum. The 1997 paper attempted to explain in theory the x-ray jets this black hole emits by suggesting it spins. In contrast, this new paper actually documents an attempt to measure the spin.

    Anyway, assuming the theory is correct, their method sounds pretty plausible to me (also assuming I'm understanding the paper and article right).

    Basically, the size of a black hole event horizon depends mainly on its mass. However, if the black hole is spinning (most or all are believed to due to conservation of momentum), the event horizon contracts due to frame dragging.

    Of course, we can't directly see the event horizon to measure it like we can measure the sun's radius. These black holes are far too distant to resolve. But, matter falling into the black hole is heated up due to friction. Just before it passes the event horizon, it gets so hot it emits x-rays that are detectable from earth.

    The clever part is that the energy of the x-rays is correlated to the emitting particle's radius from the center of the black hole, since as particles spiral in further, they heat up more and more. So if you know the mass and can measure the highest frequency of the emissions, you can calculate the rate of spin. Of course, finding the mass and measuring those x-rays is not at all trivial, and the final step of calculating the spin probably took the 6 researchers who published the paper a year or so worth of work.

  23. Re:Contradiction by shrubsky · · Score: 2

    In General Relativity, gravity is the warping of space you refer to. The warp is the path light would take when travelling through that region. Everything with mass warps space-time a bit, and black holes do so a lot; so much so that any light you emit inside the event horizon bends around until it's in the singularity no matter where you aimed it initially.

    Gravitons are a proposed quantum paritcle, and black holes and quantum physics haven't been reconciled yet. The warping-of-space-time explaination doesn't have the "why can gravitons get out" problem. I don't know what the quantum physics answer will be.

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  24. Re:Orbiting at no more than 30 miles from the cent by stormy_petral · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's got to be on the verge of exploding. I wonder what effect the explosion will have here on Earth at 38,000 light years away?
    Maybe it has already exploded. Just wait 38,000 years to find out.
    It may have exploded 37,999.99726 years ago, in which case we'll know tomorrow.