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Mystery of Ancient Calculator Finally Cracked

jcaruso writes, "It's been more than 100 years since the discovery of the 2,000-year-old Antikythera Mechanism, but researchers are only now figuring out how it works." From the article: "Since its discovery in 1902, the Antikythera Mechanism — with its intricate and baffling system of about 30 geared wheels — has been an enigma... During the last 50 years, researchers have identified various astronomical and calendar functions, including gears that mimic the movement of the sun and moon. But it has taken some of the most advanced technology of the 21st century to decipher during the past year the most advanced technology of the 1st century B.C."

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  1. The question on everyones lips... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did it run Linux?

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    1. Re:The question on everyones lips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!

    2. Re:The question on everyones lips... by edwardpickman · · Score: 5, Funny
      Did it run Linux?

      It was designed by the famous Roman programmer Linicus Torivicus.

    3. Re:The question on everyones lips... by s20451 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!

      Somewhat hard, given that it predates Beowulf by at least 600 years.

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    4. Re:The question on everyones lips... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      No one knows. Driver issues. Blame the manufacturer.

      KFG

    5. Re:The question on everyones lips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Correct. Back then, they were called Hydra clusters, for obvious reasons.

    6. Re:The question on everyones lips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      it runs NetBSD silly!

    7. Re:The question on everyones lips... by theeddie55 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linux? No, it ran windows, that's why it's taken so much time to try to figure it out.

    8. Re:The question on everyones lips... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny
      Did it run Linux?

      The Antikythera mechanism is *not* user friendly, and until it is Antikythera will stay with >1% marketshare.

      Take installation. Antikythera zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do hammer-dowel install package, or hit package": Yes, because hitting with "hammer" makes so much more sense to new users than double-whipping a slave that does "setups".

      Antikythera zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Antikythera configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of slave storage issues. Example comments:

      User: "How do I get Quake 0.03 to run in Antikythera?" Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redtoga, you have to smelt quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.tin, then do chmod +x with a file.....

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    9. Re:The question on everyones lips... by thc69 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Saying that something runs NetBSD is approximately equivalent to saying that something exists.

      Doesn't this run NetBSD too?

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    10. Re:The question on everyones lips... by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2, Funny

      By that definition G5 Macs don't exist...

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  2. Physical Perl by LearnToSpell · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember folks, always document your calculators.

    1. Re:Physical Perl by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Funny

      Remember folks, always read the article.

    2. Re:Physical Perl by Sam+Nitzberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's a Cookbook !!!!

      Ummmmmm..... nevermind.....

    3. Re:Physical Perl by Macthorpe · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other news, the EU fined the creators of the Antikythera Mechanism several hundred million euros today.

      A spokesman stated "You can't program it. It's taken people 50 years to find out how it works. They had a monopoly on ancient calculating mechanisms and there was no documentation, so without proper interoperability we cannot morally allow them to continue anciently calculating in the European market without some form of punishment."

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  3. Just imagine... by Mish · · Score: 5, Funny

    But it has taken some of the most advanced technology of the 21st century to decipher during the past year the most advanced technology of the 1st century B.C."Maybe in 2000 years we'll have the technology to decode that sentence!

  4. Beowulf cluster by PsyQo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some archeologists suggest that the people who used this calculator, actually tried to build a Beowulf cluster out of these, but were unable to because Beowulf wasn't born yet.

  5. Re:Just goes to show... by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Funny
    How much of our stuff will be unusable only 200 years from now?
    And even if anything still works, you can count on a Microsoft ad campaign to make you feel like a dinosaur for not upgrading to the latest version.
  6. Olden days people.. Pssh. by Asrynachs · · Score: 0, Funny

    I'm sure at the lab it went something like this...

    'Hey professor Roy, have you figured out how that ancient calculator works yet?'

    'Well no.. eh heh... It's sort of a mystery.. Those olden days people were a lot more cleaver than we gave them credit for. I think we might have to change our hypothesis'

    'ARE YOU INSANE?! We'll be a laughing stock! I can imagine the headlines now... "Scientists Change Hypothesis: Community Laughs at Expense".. I can't go through that again! You remember the Stone Henge fiasco?! The Bloody Scots threatened to raise Fingal!!'

    '...I'll get my gun'

  7. Stargate plug by ultracool · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should have given it to SG1. Dr. Jackson would have figured it out in no time, and they would have used to save the Earth from a far more technologically advanced enemy.

  8. No, just an EULA by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Funny

    I agree not to leave this thing lying around for people to discover in 2000 years time. I agree not to reverse engineer this device......

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  9. Yes, Debian. by The_Abortionist · · Score: 1, Funny

    It should be released for the abacus soon as well.

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    1. Re:Yes, Debian. by MicrosoftRepresentit · · Score: 0, Funny

      An interesting fact about abacuses (abacii?): abacuses where not invented around 1000 BC as many believe. In fact, they where invented around 5000 BC, but it wasn't until four thousand years later that someone invented the hole, which allowed people to slide things onto other things. Until then, the abacus was just the frame and and metal rods, with some poor soul having to hold the marbles against the rods. It was very hard to use, and serves as a chilling metaphor for the state of Linux on the desktop today.

  10. Re:slownewsday by PsyQo · · Score: 1, Funny

    There already is, well, two words really: The Sun

  11. Just Goes to Show by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Funny

    This just goes to show why documentation is so important. Kids, when you want your CoolWare 1.3.37 still to be in use 2000 years from now...document it!

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  12. Re:Nice! ... by slashbob22 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not a chance! Let me remind you of a little thing called the BC-CA. The BCCA is the predecessor of the DMCA, and if you think the DMCA is draconian - the BCCA prescribed death for every violation.

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  13. Re:Just goes to show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    As part of the Project Apollo research effort, I can tell you that the Apollo spacecraft (Which is arguably one of mankind's greatest achievements) didn't even make it 50 years - Even now, with the spacecraft still intact and the crew still alive, we are having to undertake a large reverse-engineering project with limited documentation to recreate the operation of the spacecraft.
    It isn't functional and never was.
    When will people realize that the whole moonwalk thing was a hoax?
    Are even the astronauts so brainwashed that they believe they have been on the moon?
    Some lunatics!

  14. Re:stupid by djupedal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Big deal - I know a couple guys, in the PRC, that could reverse engineer this thing and have working copies, with instructions in 12 languages, for sale on street before dusk...

  15. Re:Just goes to show... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure, it was all shot in a studio. What you don't know is that the studio it was shot in was ON THE MOON!

  16. Re:slownewsday by Ravatar · · Score: 2, Funny

    The term you're looking for is "Digg".

  17. Evil Technology by SinGunner · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't this thing remind anyone of the countless ancient artifacts we've seen in movies that are expressly designed to summon some evil force (the devil, elder gods, pokemon, etc.) to the Earth to destroy or enslave mankind forever? Should we really be playing around with this thing?

  18. Re:slownewsday by Random+Data · · Score: 4, Funny
    Really, we need a new word, for news which isn't functional information, but just amusing/entertaining.


    Fox News?

  19. Everything is under control by The_Dougster · · Score: 3, Funny

    The reports of strange lights emanating from the lab were merely energy discharges from the material under the effects of the x-ray analysis, which is quite normal actually. Unfounded rumors of strange demonic figures running amok in the complex were likewise nothing more than a mischievous prank by a few of the overworked scientists who took a joke a bit too far. The security forces stationed around the building are merely there to keep pesky reporters from spoiling next-week's release. Any sounds which appear to be gunfire are simply sonic gas bubbles popping from out of the high tech equipment. So everything is completely under control, no need to worry.

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  20. Re:Just goes to show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Do you think that there will even be a "desktop" to take over 200 years from now.

  21. Re:Like the Mormons' tablets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's perfectly easy to understand. There are two possibilities.

    1. There's writing on it, but it can't be read with certainty. Instead of making guesses to its contents, the researchers are leaving their speculation to its purpose, which can be more easily deduced. This can be because of:

    1a. They actually can't read enough of it to gather the content of the message. (i.e. "Turn the ... as the wheel ... place the ... will appear at ... Made in Mexico")

    1b. They have a translation of some sort, but aren't sure that it is correct, and are waiting for confirmation.

    2. The researchers made the annoucement subject to a non-disclosure agreement. These agreements are fairly common when making announcements prior to the publication of an academic article. You can make you're annoucement of your findings, but can give specifics about your findings until the article has been published. Just wait until the article is published, and then read the translation yourself.

  22. Apparently... by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...they were the ancestors of C programmers, as it was indeed documented but only in obscure comments embedded in the code.

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  23. Somewhat hard, but not impossible by Wolfier · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Understand how this works
    2. Write an emulator for it
    3. Think of ways to parallelize
    4. Try it out in software
    5. If it works, build all the hardware

    Tada, here you go, a loosely-defined "cluster". :)

    1. Re:Somewhat hard, but not impossible by abradsn · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot...

      6. ????
      7. Profit!

  24. already had it figured out by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 4, Funny

    BESURETODRINKYOUROVALTINE

  25. Netcraft Confirms It... by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    Netcraft confirms it... Antikythera Mechanisms are dying!

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  26. Re:Nice! ... by dido · · Score: 2, Funny

    And penned by no less than the great Greek legislator himself!

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  27. Re:Like the Mormons' tablets... by NoMaster · · Score: 5, Funny
    WTF ... so they figure all this out, and then they keep the writing secret? What's up with that.
    Because the bit they have recovered and translated so far reads "Disassembly or reverse-engineering for any purpose (including, but not limited to, for the purposes of interoperability or future compatibility) is prohibited by this licence".

    Basically, they've found the EULA. They're worried the BSA will sue them under the PMCA (Pre-Millenium Copyright Act)...

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  28. Re:Most Advanced? by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

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  29. The actual decoded message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Be among the first to play Dvke Nvkem Forever, schedvled for release on the Antikythera Mechanism in 78 BC! Pre-order today!

  30. So Does This Mean...? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1, Funny

    So does this mean that two millennia from now that humans, or the robots that take over from them, will spend a century figuring out CALC.EXE?

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  31. Re:Getting less important by triffid_98 · · Score: 2, Funny
    You forgot to say "unless it was written in COBOL".

    You would not realisticly expect any software / device you design now to be in use 350 or 2000 years from now
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  32. Re:Like the Mormons' tablets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "square showing a given"

    So you can read greek can you ? Hardly. It says "Insert coin here".

  33. Re:Just goes to show... by m_frankie_h · · Score: 4, Funny

    The whole idea of faking a moonwalk is absurd. This theory is intended to cover a much larger hoax --- that of America.

    There is, as any reasonable man can see, no american continent, the whole Columbus affair was a hoax, organized by the Portuguese government to cover up the fact that they are ruling the world.

    I am sure you can appreciate the ingenuity of inventing a conspiracy theory to cover up a much more important conspiracy.

  34. Warranty void if seal is removed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Warranty void if seal is removed

  35. Re:Like the Mormons' tablets... by eraserewind · · Score: 2, Funny
    but all I can make out is some references to a "square showing a given" something, some numbers, and something about moving some bits of the mechanism but not others.
    That's what it's meant to say! Some ancient maintenance engineer's guarantee of a job for life.