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US Bans Sales of iPods To North Korea

gamer4Life writes "The United States has created their list of products banned from being exported to North Korea. This list includes iPods, plasma televisions and Segway electric scooters. U.S. intelligence officials who helped produce the Bush administration's list said Kim prefers Mercedes, BMW and Cadillac cars; Japanese and Harley Davidson motorcycles; Hennessy XO cognac from France and Johnny Walker Scotch whisky; Sony cameras and Japanese air conditioners."

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  1. The Good Kind of Sanctions by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I've posted before, I think this is a good approach.

    There are good sanctions & bad sanctions. An example of bad sanctions were the sanctions the UN imposed against Iraq that caused a lot of human suffering. Yes, it put pressure on the dictator but it was easy ammo to use against the United States. Essentially claiming that we were starving and murdering the civilians--and I knew people that were saying we were doing horrible things!

    When we impose sanctions on a country to pressure the dictator, I think that things like food, water, clothing & medicine should be increased with pro-American propaganda along with it. What we should decrease is things like automobiles, electronics & other high standard of living commodities. Therefore we make it annoying for the people of North Korea to get by but it isn't possible to point to conditions of people dying due to our sanctions.

    Their economy might stagnate and people might die as a result of that but it's not so easy to point the finger at the UN then. In my opinion, the blocking of these high commodities is precisely how sanctions should be done. If these have little or no effect (which they probably will) then you can always ramp it up to include other things. I think one of the harsher things you could do is just block all traffic two/from North Korea from the United States. I mean, they probably block most of it already so that might not matter but internet access would be another commodity that would certainly upset me if I didn't have access to it.

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    1. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      here are good sanctions & bad sanctions. An example of bad sanctions were the sanctions the UN imposed against Iraq [globalpolicy.org] that caused a lot of human suffering.

      have you tried living with a teenager that did not have her ipod? this causes HUGE amounts of human suffering!

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    2. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      It would be a good idea if it actually worked. They were able to obtain material to make at least one atomic bomb, hardly the type of item you see at Best Buy.

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    3. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by monoqlith · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's strange, actually. I heard the body of the new Taepodong II nuclear missile is actually constructed out of refurbished iPods, clock radios, and 5 megapixel Sony cameras straight from Best Buy web site. These sanctions are good! That Kim Jong is just too thrifty!

    4. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by hkgroove · · Score: 5, Funny

      Until recently, they've been using the shoddy bomb-casing full of used pinball machine parts the Libyan Nationalists gave them.

    5. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should only permit the export of Microsoft Zunes to NK, that'll show him!

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    6. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Thansal · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It would be a good idea if it actually worked. They were able to obtain material to make at least one atomic bomb, hardly the type of item you see at Best Buy.


      My thoughts exactly. If I was an enterprising scumbag (with the proper contacts), I would contact Kim and just have him draw up a list of what he wants, buy everything on the list, and resell them for 2-10x the cost. Does the USA check the mail to Johny Kim in N.Korea? if so then just find the country that does not and have someone send em from there.

      This does not hurt the dictator.
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    7. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, exporting the Zune to them would be a violation of the Geneva conventions.

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    8. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 5, Funny
      Does the USA check the mail to Johny Kim in N.Korea?
      Why not - they check everyone else's!
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    9. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by inviolet · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This [sanctiong] does not hurt the dictator.

      It doesn't have to; he won't change his mind about us because we annoy him. What will get his attention is if the influential North Korean upper-classmen get pissed off at him over his policies.

      The lower-class are just ballast. It's the upper-class that wields the most political power because Kim can't function without them and their thousands of separate fiefdoms. If those upper-classmen cease enjoying their lifestyle, then watch for a regime change or even a "popular uprising of the common man".

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    10. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, don't these idiots know that iPods are designed in California but built in China, and China has a land border with NK?

    11. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by nosfucious · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He is aware of this. I'm not sure if it was him, or his father, but North Korea has the "miliary-first" policy. The family might be in-bread and nuts, but they have a firm grip on what it takes to maintain power (Well, his dad did anyway).

      The masses might be starving, but what little oil, food, electricity, luxuries there are, all go to the military first. They are unlikely to rock the boat until the food actually starts running out, for them.

      If any civilisation is three square meals aware from anarchy, i'd North Korea is about as close as they come though. Not sure the iPod will mean much, but every little bit helps.

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    12. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What we should decrease is things like automobiles, electronics & other high standard of living commodities. Therefore we make it annoying for the people of North Korea to get by but it isn't possible to point to conditions of people dying due to our sanctions.

      Have you studied North Korea or even reviewed the stories of people have went on their friendship tours?

      Even those guided tours show that North Korea has in the little of the way of cars and luxuries.

      Considering most North Koreans are lucky to have a state locked radio station with electricity (if at all) they aren't going to be making much use of computers or iPods.

      The only people who could make use of iPods would be the ruling party and the Military.

      Considering their ability to kidnap South Korean citizens, I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem nabbing an iPod or two.

      But I agree... Starving North Korea won't solve the problem either since the military has complete control and would only promote needless suffering.

      The only way to solve the Korean problem is to actually give North Koreans luxuries and bring them into the western world. You see... Most NK'ers think the rest of the world is like them and is living in poverty (but often much worse conditions).

      Most people that are recovered from attempts to escape to China or sent to camps so they can't tell anyone on what they saw (even though the word is getting out).

      Remember... We didn't conquer the Soviet Union with sanctions, but rather blue jeans, rock and roll, and McDonalds.

      If we give the North Koreans western gadgets they'll start to realize we aren't the psychotic baddies Kim Jong Il makes us out to me.

      First they'll need to have proper nutrition, proper electricity, and internet access first...

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    13. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Therefore we make it annoying for the people of North Korea to get by but it isn't possible to point to conditions of people dying due to our sanctions.

      The North Korean army and the party elites will receive the majority of the food and medical supplies and the people will be no better off than they were before. It is also extremely difficult to ensure that smuggling will not provide the limited quantity of luxury goods required to keep the elites happy, especially when China says that they will inspect cargo, but look the other way when the price is right. You have to remember that the rulers of these communist regimes in China and especially North Korea grew up in a complete moral and ethical vacuum cut off from any concerns for their people insofar as it does not damage them politically. They operate under the golden rule over there but their version is, "He who has the gold makes the rules" and "If you can get away with it there is nothing wrong with it."

      Their economy might stagnate and people might die as a result of that but it's not so easy to point the finger at the UN then

      Their economy was already stagnated and the people dying even before the sanctions were imposed, although supposedly it is better now than it was in the late 1990s when millions died of starvation.

      In my opinion, the blocking of these high commodities is precisely how sanctions should be done.

      The sanctioning of luxury goods will not have much effect because it will not be possible to prevent smuggling of enough quantity to satisfy demand among the party elites and the top army brass. It may mean that Kim has only a couple new BMWs and a few cases of cognac instead of a fleet of Cadillac SUVs and all the liquor that he and his cronies can drink. The sanctions preceding the Iraq war didn't prevent Saddam from having his luxury SUVs, gold plated bathroom fixtures, and every other conceivable luxury that he could have possibly wanted.

      If these have little or no effect (which they probably will) then you can always ramp it up to include other things.

      There is a limit to how much sanctions can be ramped up because China will release supplies to ease the pressure and prevent a flood of refugees from surging across the border. China wants to give North Korea a slap on the wrist to remind their vassal state who butters their bread, but they will not support tough enough measures to collapse the North Korean regime entirely.

      I think one of the harsher things you could do is just block all traffic two/from North Korea from the United States.

      The only thing that would accomplish would be the enrichment of unscrupulous Chinese middlemen who would be more than willing to smuggle whatever North Korea wants for the right prices. Besides, with the exception of some foreign aid in the form of oil, medicine, and food the North Koreans were not receiving very much directly from the United States anyway and they have almost nothing that is worth anything in trade to a first world economy such as the United States.

      I mean, they probably block most of it already so that might not matter but internet access would be another commodity that would certainly upset me if I didn't have access to it.

      The North Korean elites probably have connections to Chinese proxies so unless you are going to block China and the rest of Asia altogether you would probably not be able to squeeze them out. As for Kim being upset, well you can always order up some random executions or send some of your political opponents off to the gulag...nothing like abuse of power to brighten your megalomaniac day.

    14. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Kim+Jong+Ill · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fruck you.

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    15. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by Main+Gauche · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "In other words, you make the only people your enemies who could actually overthrow the dictator you're trying to get rid of - the rich upper-class with ambitions."

      Yes, the rich upper class is always the one starting revolutions.

      "Great plan. No surprise you're doing so well in Iraq, you have all these excellent ideas. ;-)"

      Did you read the post to which you responded? GP was contrasting his idea to the ones used in Iraq. But don't let that get in the way of a chance to make an Iraq crack.

      If GP weren't already maxed out, I'd be shoving my karma points his way.

    16. Re:The Good Kind of Sanctions by sentientbeing · · Score: 2, Funny

      ..you could likely get many of the raw componants, aside from the fissionable materiel and explosives, from most hardware and electronics stores.

      Are you still talking about nukes or are we talking about iPod batteries?

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  2. This will surely fail! by Kim+Jong+Il · · Score: 5, Funny

    This dastardly attempt by the imperialists to stifle us will surely fail, as it always has in the past.

    Our revolutionary scientific laborers, working under the glorious revolutionary banner of Juche, are coming up with our own as we speak! Our fervor shall produce better equipment than the American garbage, whether it be electronics, liquor, or food. Indeed, we have always done so, and the stories of us needing to import so called "luxury" goods are imperialist lies to discredit us.

    As just one of many examples, it is well known that Great Leader Kim Il Sung, in his secret bunker on Mount Paekdu, singlehandedly created the Internet during the War of Resistance against the Japanese, passing on the specification to American military whose scientists who took credit dastardly for it twenty years later. I post this first post as a trivial testament to our revolutionary ingenuity, illustrating our pre-eminence!

    Once again the imperialist dogs will be reminded of the futility of their ill-advised ways!

  3. But strangely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Zune is a go for Lil Kim.

    1. Re:But strangely by freerangegeek · · Score: 2, Funny

      But won't Microsoft have to change the catch phrase for North Korea? Welcome to the Socialist?

  4. Newsflash by radiashun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Segway declares bankruptcy after losing it's stranglehold on the North Korean electric scooter market.

    Seriously, why would the ban Segway exports?

    1. Re:Newsflash by msuzio · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Because they're the bomb, baby!!!"

    2. Re:Newsflash by jimstapleton · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's nothing against Segway, it's against their not-so-benevolent dictator. It's something he wants, so they are banning it.

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    3. Re:Newsflash by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I dunno, given our own president's record with the devices, maybe we should be giving them more of the things.

    4. Re:Newsflash by andphi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kim Jong Il responds: "I'm So Ronery."

    5. Re:Newsflash by bitt3n · · Score: 3, Funny
      Seriously, why would the ban Segway exports?
      a segway came closer to killing W than any Taepodong ever will.
    6. Re:Newsflash by ubrgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there a mod for "Paranoid"?

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  5. North Korea is dark by Southpaw018 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The man drives BMWs and Caddies, rides a Harley, sips fine cognac and drinks good scotch, plays with cameras, and relaxes in air conditioning, and his country looks like this.

    I think if I could choose to stab anyone in the world in the face, he'd be a finalist for sure.

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    1. Re:North Korea is dark by Hennell · · Score: 5, Funny

      Say what you like about North Korea, but the country has a damn good record on light pollution.

    2. Re:North Korea is dark by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Say what you like about North Korea, but the country has a damn good record on light pollution.

      And Ethiopia has a damn good record on obesity.

    3. Re:North Korea is dark by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny
      The man drives BMWs and Caddies, rides a Harley, sips fine cognac and drinks good scotch, plays with cameras, and relaxes in air conditioning, and his country looks like this.
      That's because he just got into astronomy.
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    4. Re:North Korea is dark by E++99 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      as big a difference as you might think, since most ordinary North Koreans really buy into the communism thing just the same.

      No, people who are starving to death do NOT typically buy into the ideology of their government. And the propaganda only makes it worse, since the people making it are so clueless as to the lot of the common people. Such as telling about North Korean prisoners in South Korea going on hunger strikes. "Hunger strikes??? There's food in South Korean prisons?????"
    5. Re:North Korea is dark by unsupported · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, the people of North Korea eat leaves and twigs to survive. They are constantly told that South Korea and the rest of the world are worse off than they are. The only pictures the news shows of North Korea are of the millitary. Old busted ass Russian missile vehicles, the millitary, and Shorty Mc-Il. God forbid the rest of the world actually see the attrocities this mad man is unleashing against his own people.

      [soapbox]But don't get me started on why the UN did not do anything when North Korea first uncapped their nuclear reactors. They should never have gotten this far.[/soapbox]

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    6. Re:North Korea is dark by h2g2bob · · Score: 3, Funny
      You can't have a serious pollution issue if YOUR PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD CARS.

      Even if they could afford cars, they wouldn't be able to park them in well-lit places.

  6. Talk about effective sanctions by Salvance · · Score: 4, Funny

    Woah! North Korea certainly won't be able to progress in their quest for the bomb now that they won't be able to watch the "How to Make a Nuclear Bomb" podcasts anymore! How ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Talk about effective sanctions by halivar · · Score: 2, Informative

      The sanctions are not directed at NK, it's prople, or its military. It's directed squarely at Kim Jong Il.

  7. Maybe... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...they're just turning off all the lights in order to capitalize on the vast demand for meteorological tourism?

    "North Korea: No Electricity Means No Light Pollution!"

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  8. In other news by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kimdude has set a new high for monthly purchases on ebay.

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  9. Re:Black market, anyone? by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Funny
    some of that fine American cognac
    Is this a joke?
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  10. money by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the more money North Koreans spend on iPods, plasma televisions and Segways, the less they have to spend on nuclear weapons.

  11. Effective Sanctions by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's directed squarely at Kim Jong Il.

    They probably should have put a sanction on exports of Brylcreem and hair gel, in that case.

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  12. Preload them with Bon Jovi. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the more money North Koreans spend on iPods, plasma televisions and Segways, the less they have to spend on nuclear weapons.

    Actually, I'd vote that we export only iPods to North Korea. (I'd say only Zunes, but I feel like that's probably a crime against humanity.)

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  13. We banned plasma TVs? by qazwart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Um...

    Does the U.S. even make plasma TVs?

    While we're at it, why not ban quantum based time machine portals?

  14. In other news by TheStonepedo · · Score: 2, Funny

    There was a massive nerd-rush for the following products after an effective slashvertisement:
    Mercedes', BMWs and Cadillacs; Japanese and Harley Davidson motorcycles; Hennessy XO and Johnny Walker.
    When asked for a comment, one nerd replied, "I had no idea there were products other than iPods and Segways. Mr. Kim has really opened my eyes to the new world of non-computing-related consumerism."

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  15. Your tax dollars paid for this list by McGregorMortis · · Score: 2

    The likelihood that Kim Jong Il be even momentarily inconvenienced by this is negligible. The project is a failure before it's even started.

    Probably not a lot of money spent, just the salaries of a bunch of high-ranking national security people for a few months. Nothing compared to the costs of an Iraq war or anything, but still... couldn't they find something more useful to do than waste their time on this useless masturbatory fantasy?

    If the intention was to make Kim Jong Il fall over and die laughing at those whacky American imperialists, then maybe it would have a slim chance of success.

  16. Open the darn border already. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm not kidding. What would happen if South Korea just stood down across the DMZ and said "come on over if you really want to..."? I'd suspect that North Korean troops will find out how awful capitalism really is and will have ol' Kimmie Boy in front of a firing squad within half a year. North Korean fascism won't be able to last if even 10% of their population knew what lay beyond their borders!

    -b.

    BTW- that's why Soviet troops returning from the front after WW II often went straight to Siberia. They simply knew too much about how good the conditions were outside the Soviet Empire (this despite the fact that Germany and Poland were war-torn mudholes).

    1. Re:Open the darn border already. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Informative
      But to say that they were afraid of people in the East seeing "how good" life in the West was at that time is pure cold war propaganda. The West had just come out of the great depression, which at the time was believed (by western economists) to be a result of the inherent instability of markets.

      Do not confuse the Soviet lifestyle of the 1930s/1940s of the larger cities and towns with the lifestyle of the rural peoples. The rural people's lifestyle really hadn't changed that much since the time of the tsars - and like the serfs pre-1860, they were tied to the land - the only difference was that they were working for the state on a kolkhoz not for a manor lord.

      Many of the soldiers came from such a background and were positively shocked at the abundance that they found in the Poland of the late 30s. Remember that the Russo-German hostilities didn't begin until 1941 - the Russian army marched into eastern Poland without as much opposition as one would expect since some thought that they were coming as allies to fight the Germans. So they got quite a few "undamaged" towns and cities. And promptly started looting them and taking everything that could be moved.

      My grandparents *were* there in 1939 and my grandmother remembers Russian farmboy soldiers being positively fascinated with Western-made clocks and watches because they simply hadn't seen things like that before!

      It is true that Stalin sent a lot of people coming back from the Great Patriotic War to the gulag, but most of them were generals, war heroes, and similar.

      Now you're the one on crack! A lot of common soldiers got sent to the camps or forcibly relocated to settle Siberia. Remember, this is several *millions* people that we're talking about, so they couldn't have all been generals and notable figures. The camps were considered a key part of Soviet industry and they needed new meat to feed into the grinder.

      -b.

  17. Your english is too good. So, I translated it. :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This dastardry attempt by the imperiarists to stifre us rirr surely fair, as it arrays has in the past.

    Our revorutionary scientific raborers, rorking under the grorious revorutionary banner of Juche, are coming up rith our orn as re speak! Our fervor sharr produce better equipment than the American garbage, rhether it be erectronics, riquor, or food. Indeed, re have awrays done so, and the stories of us needing to import so carred "ruxury" goods are imperiarist ries to discredit us.

    As just one of many exampres, it is rerr known that Great Reader Kim Il Sung, in his secret bunker on Mount Paekdu, singrehandedry created the Internet during the rar of Resistance against the Japanese, passing on the specification to American miritary rhose scientists rho took credit dastardry for it trenty years rater. I post this first post as a triviar testament to our revorutionary ingenuity, irrustrating our pre-eminence!

    Once again the imperiarist dogs rirr be reminded of the futirity of their irr-advised rays!

  18. Re:OT but... by The+Nipponese · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, I'm pretty the Caddy down the street was paid for by selling even more illicit luxury items to those privileged neighborhoods.

  19. Re:Let's get this straight: the black market by Perseid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, the North Korean middle class will be hit hard by this and I assume they'll both be pretty pissed.

  20. small nations on nukes by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The theory with having a few nukes and missiles to tote them is not to be able to take on superpowers and win, it is to have enough of a credible threat to avoid being invaded or bombed or regime changed. North korea could not hope to invade the US and take over, nukes or not, but if they had the ability to hit some west coast cities or hawaii-we would never attack them. As it is now, just with conventionals, they have enough destructive potential to avoid getting invaded. They could order "fire" and half an hour later most of south korea's largest cities would be poisonous rubble, just from old plain vanilla cannon fire and some cheap chemicals. You would have to pull a surprise neutron weapon saturation strike to avoid that happening, and even then they are dug in soo well a lot of them might be able to counterattack. They are well known as being heavy diggers.

    As to the consumer products ban, it is a big fat joke, that is just easily avoided by them, they will get whatever they want a few steps away from directly, that's all.

  21. MAKE YOUR TIME by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IN A.D. 2006
    WAR WAS BEGINNING.
    Kim: WHAT HAPPEN?
    Mechanic: SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BAN.
    Operator: WE GET EMBARGO.
    Kim: WHAT!!
    Operator: VIDEO IPOD TURN ON.
    Kim: IT'S YOU!!
    Bush: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!!
    Bush: ALL YOUR IPOD ARE BELONG TO US.
    Bush: YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO BOREDOM.
    Dictator Kim: WHAT YOU SAY!!
    Bush: YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO PRESS PLAY MAKE YOUR TIME.
    Bush: HA HA HA HA....
    Operator: DICTATOR!
    Kim: TAKE OFF EVERY 'MP3'!!
    Kim: YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DOING.
    Kim: MOVE 'ITUNES'.
    Kim: FOR GREAT JUSTICE