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Seeing the Earth Almost Live

arobic writes "European Space Agency (ESA) is putting recent pictures of the Earth (taken 2 hours before) online using Envisat. To avoid filling up their disks too quickly, only the bmp of the last 30 days are available but jpg are kept. Also, only region receiving light can be seen, which explains why no recent pictures of Thailand are available."

143 comments

  1. Thailand? by Van+Cutter+Romney · · Score: 1

    I don't get the joke on Thailand.

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    1. Re:Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I don't get the joke on Thailand.

      Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is/was night in Thailand, so there are no recent pictures, because they need sunlight?

    2. Re:Thailand? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I don't get the joke on Thailand."

      I read somewhere that the Earth exists in a state commonly referred to as 'round', so sometimes there are parts of the planet that light while others are dark. It's an interesting theory but I cannot claim to be an expert on the topic because I haven't looked out the window to observe this myself.

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    3. Re:Thailand? by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yes, but why single out Thailand here?

    4. Re:Thailand? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      I believe he was asking for us to explain why that particular country was picked as an example, rather than someplace where something interesting is happening, like Iraq.

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    5. Re:Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're explaining the sentence, but not why it's there. What the grand-parent wants to know is that Thailand is where the submitter's imaginary girlfriend lives. There, I said it.

    6. Re:Thailand? by LordEd · · Score: 1

      I read somewhere that the service keeps their bmp files for a period of 30 days (why, it was the summary! Imagine that.), and jpeg files for longer. I also seem to remember something about the sun usually rising at least once per 30 days in most places in the world (usually more frequently).

    7. Re:Thailand? by DragonWriter · · Score: 0
      Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is/was night in Thailand, so there are no recent pictures, because they need sunlight?


      They keep 30 days of pictures right? My guess is Thailand doesn't usually experience night for quite that long at a time.
    8. Re:Thailand? by drig · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe that's why one night in Bangkok can make a hard man humble?

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    9. Re:Thailand? by ahillen · · Score: 1

      They keep 30 days of pictures right? My guess is Thailand doesn't usually experience night for quite that long at a time.

      Since the specialty of this site is not that they show pictures of the earth, but rather that the pictures are ~2 hours old when they are published (according to the submitter), I guess the use of the term "no recent pictures" rather refers to hours than to days.

    10. Re:Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose the recent coup in Thailand doesn't count as interesting because it's been mostly bloodless?

    11. Re:Thailand? by stupidfoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's so last week. Fiji's coup is all the rage now.

    12. Re:Thailand? by arobic · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no joke on Thailand, except in the mind of the person who actually posted my story. The original word was Scandinavia, basically because it is now always (or almost) dark there and Envisat cannot take pictures, that was all. Now, if somebody can explain to me why my original story was modified, I would like to hear about it.

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    13. Re:Thailand? by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Wanna bet he meant the Philippines (or Vietnam, where Typhoon Durian is hitting now)?

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    14. Re:Thailand? by Conanymous+Award · · Score: 1

      A very heavy 'almost'. It never gets completely dark (as in 'night') here even during the winter. But still you probably wouldn't see anything in satellite photos, since it's very, very cloudy here during this time of the year. Hell, I don't remember when I saw proper sunshine the last time. Day in, day out of dull greyness. It isn't even snowing, all we get is water. Oh, sorry for rambling on. But the weather truly sucks here right now.

    15. Re:Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thailand, Philippines, Viet Nam... same thing

    16. Re:Thailand? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      I like how they changed that, but didn't fix your "region" typo.

      Way to go, Slashdot editors! Keep Slashdot "real"!

    17. Re:Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I read somewhere that the Earth exists in a state commonly referred to as 'round', so sometimes there are parts of the planet that light while others are dark."

      And your source also stated the earth doesn't undergo a complete axis rotate for 30 days?

      Some source. You also weren't kidding when you said you don't look out the window...

    18. Re:Thailand? by sdsichero · · Score: 1

      Get out of your mom's basement!

    19. Re:Thailand? by cciRRus · · Score: 3, Funny
      The original word was Scandinavia, basically because it is now always (or almost) dark there and Envisat cannot take pictures, that was all.
      Oh, thanks for shedding light on this issue.
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    20. Re:Thailand? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      I'm from Finland, you insensitive clod!

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    21. Re:Thailand? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      How hard would it be to 1) work out where it's dark and 2) show picttures from those regions taken just before it got dark 3) work out wwhen those regions get light again and update the photo at that point?

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  2. Is it possible to zoom enough to... by Rastignac · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...see naked people ?
    (If not, this thing is not useful at all).

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    1. Re:Is it possible to zoom enough to... by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

      Wife: Darling, come outside, I want to show you something.
      Husband: Not right now darling, I'm trying to see our house on this cool new satellite imaging site.

      Two hours later...

      Husband: Oh damn it!

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    2. Re:Is it possible to zoom enough to... by abandonment · · Score: 1

      in firefox, the zoom & move isn't working at all for me?

  3. What's this about Thailand? by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's no light in Thailand? Have they fallen afoul of the sun or something?

    'No light for you! Come back one summer solstice!'

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    1. Re:What's this about Thailand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no light in Thailand?

      Sunlight (which is what they need)? Not at night. That means, for the last couple of hours. For this reason there are no recent pictures.

      Have they fallen afoul of the sun or something

      By my experience that is pretty much the same everywhere in the world. :)
      (Defining night as "sun below the horizon, of course :) )

  4. Thailand by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Also, only region receiving light can be seen, which explains why no recent pictures of Thailand are available.

    Did I miss something? Did some devious Thai overlord deploy a sun-blocking device recently?

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    1. Re:Thailand by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Presumably, it's night there. However, that still doesn't make sense -- why can't we get satellite photos of all the pretty city lights?

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    2. Re:Thailand by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Well, considering the summary says that jpgs are available for the last 30 days, then goes on to say there are no "recent" pics for Thailand, it makes you wonder exactly how he's defining "recent."

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    3. Re:Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, considering the summary says that jpgs are available for the last 30 days, then goes on to say there are no "recent" pics for Thailand, it makes you wonder exactly how he's defining "recent."

      Since, according to the submitter, the exciting thing about this site is not the fact that you get satellite images of the earth, but that they are put there ~2 hours after they were made, I would think recent is a couple of hours.

    4. Re:Thailand by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      That's just ridiculous.
      The reason is quite simple: overuse of solar energy has used up all the sun light in their part of the globe. Parts of Alaska have this same problem during winter.

  5. Figures by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    As usual, we keep aspiring countries in the dark to have access to cheap labour.

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  6. But what about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To avoid filling up their disks too quickly, only the bmp of the last 30 days are available

    But what are they doing to avoid filling up their server bandwidth? :-p

    1. Re:But what about... by Van+Cutter+Romney · · Score: 0, Redundant

      After getting /.ed, they're not going to have any bandwidth left.

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  7. My God.. by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

    it's full of........., erm, oh, that doesn't work

  8. He probably means no light emited from Thailand by aepervius · · Score: 1

    So the satellite receive nothing from them=>Thailand cannot be seen. Or maybe this is a sick joke I do not get at all.

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    1. Re:He probably means no light emited from Thailand by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he meant 1) no light emitted and 2) confused Thailanad with North Korea. That's the only explanation I can think of.

  9. IE only? by EnderGT · · Score: 4, Informative
    Your results may vary, but I was only able to get it working in IE, not Firefox (1.5.0.8).

    I tried to go see the tornado damage in London, but apparently the resolution is extremely low - at the multinational zoom level, if you will.

    1. Re:IE only? by Ipeunipig · · Score: 1

      No Thailand, No Firefox. What's next, no transfat in my McDonalds?

    2. Re:IE only? by corky842 · · Score: 1

      Firefox portable 2.0 w/ Flash 9 works fine.
      Click on "Observing the Earth" at the top, then click "Explore Earth in near-real time" on the new page.

    3. Re:IE only? by AdamWeeden · · Score: 1

      Only if you live in New York City.

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    4. Re:IE only? by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Or Canada.

      Now everyone's burgers taste like dry crap instead of just crap.

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  10. stalkers by pap3rw8 · · Score: 0

    stalkers will be soo happy when they see this

    1. Re:stalkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious, what are stalkers doing that can be seen with 260m resolution?

  11. Google Maps by AugustZephyr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://maps.google.com/ is more intuitive than the ESA MIRAVI and if you would like a more powerful tool check out http://earth.google.com/.

    1. Re:Google Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Maps/Earth use ooolllllldddd pics. some of them are 4-5 years old. this is almost real time. as recent as 2 hours ago. and whole freaking earth.

  12. Not only Thailand by loconet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not available for Thailand and parts of Soviet Russia, where as we all know, light receives them.

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    1. Re:Not only Thailand by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      So you are saying they should show up on the sun?

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  13. I can't believe it by steveo777 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've slashdotted the whole earth!

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  14. Great. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    The world is a cam whore.

    1. Re:Great. by Mike89 · · Score: 1
      The world is a cam whore.
      It sure is
    2. Re:Great. by sdsichero · · Score: 1

      Yo Mama (Earth)!

  15. James Kim? by blankoboy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Where was this technology when it would have proved so useful? Couldn't this be used to find missing people?

    *note: the original link has been slashdotted so I may not be fully aware of what this tech can do (magnification, etc).

    1. Re:James Kim? by Cauchy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Spatial resolution is approximately 300m. 15 spectral bands. Primary use is going to be for things like climate change, land use, etc. Fun to play with if you know what you are doing with it. I've been working in my spare time on code in IDL/ENVI to do imagebasing of aerial imagery so looks like I have a new source of lots of data for testing/playing!

    2. Re:James Kim? by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bad, bad modding.

      In no way is the parent "Funny." James Kim is a reference to the cNET editor who (along with his family) was lost in Oregon and died. Try "Interesting" or "Insightful."

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    3. Re:James Kim? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Not to insult the original poster but but I wouldn't call it interesting or insightful. Hopeful or wishful would be better.
      These images lack the resolution that one would need to find a person lost in the woods.

      It is tragic. It makes me want to get my HAM radio ticket just in case I need to call for help outside of cell phone range.

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  16. Are we still alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't get to the website.. does that mean we are almost dead now?

    1. Re:Are we still alive? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it means we were almost dead two hours ago.

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    2. Re:Are we still alive? by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Yes, there was a typo. It actually sees 20 minutes into the future.

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  17. Don't forget MODIS by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 3, Informative
    15 minutes from picture in space to web page (or World Wind if you use it)

    http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/200634 1/

    1. Re:Don't forget MODIS by iksbob · · Score: 1

      Heh. All the images of North America are mysteriously omitted.

  18. Google Maps is off-topic by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point of this thing is that the pictures are "almost live." The imagery in Google Maps tends to be several years old. It's not the same thing at all.

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    1. Re:Google Maps is off-topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "almost live."

      Is that like "almost funny" or "slightly pregnant"

    2. Re:Google Maps is off-topic by Pinkfud · · Score: 1

      I think the time delay is perfectly reasonable. Amazing, in fact. Once the site escapes from the /. cloud so I can actually use it, I plan to do some research there. I suspect a number of governments will think the delay is much too short - no time to censor things!

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    3. Re:Google Maps is off-topic by Lauritz · · Score: 1

      No, it's "much more live than Google Earth" which shows images that might be recorded years ago, and "less live than the LIVE, you see on TV" which shows images that might show images that are just recorded a few seconds ago.

  19. Make an awesome desktop widget by mliu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't quite get through to the site already, but just an idea.

    In terms of awesome eye candy this would make just above the coolest desktop widget (for MacOS, Vista, or Yahoo! Widget Engine or whatever). A view of the Earth from space that reflects continuous conditions as they're seen.

    You could see it snow outside your window and then 2 hours later you see that your region is now covered in a sheet of white on the map. During the Persian Gulf War I wonder if this had been around if you would have been able to see all the smoke burning oil fields.

    Not sure if such a thing would be possible due to technical limitations, but if so I would be the first to run it on my desktop.

    1. Re:Make an awesome desktop widget by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      In terms of awesome eye candy this would make just above the coolest desktop widget (for MacOS, Vista, or Yahoo! Widget Engine or whatever). A view of the Earth from space that reflects continuous conditions as they're seen.

      I always thought NASA should mount a camera on the underside of the ISS. A plain old webcam would do, but they could probably lay hands on some pretty decent imaging. They could put it out over a spare cable channel, just put some classical music on the soundtrack and let the world drift by below with no further commentary. Or stream it over the internet; I'd love to set that as my screensaver, for instance.

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    2. Re:Make an awesome desktop widget by hb253 · · Score: 1

      I bet some smart person will figure out how to use it with xplanet.

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    3. Re:Make an awesome desktop widget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could see it snow outside your window and then 2 hours later you see that your region is now covered in a sheet of white on the map.

      More likely, you'd see it obscured by the same set of clouds that obscured it before it snowed.

      Incidentally, speaking of desktop widgets, Republicans derided a similar project (the Triana satellite, or Deep Space Climate Observatory) as "an overpriced screen saver".

  20. Live? by Klaidas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Since when is 2 hours delay called "live"?

    1. Re:Live? by timtwobuck · · Score: 1

      Since they prefix it with 'almost'?

    2. Re:Live? by Klaidas · · Score: 1

      Almost would be... say, 1 minute?
      It's like saying that e-mail is ALMOST live, even if I'll only reply to your letter tomorrow.

    3. Re:Live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need time to check if Janet Jackson is anywhere near.

    4. Re:Live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to see Earth live in real time just by looking down. Now those pictures are really real time. The only delay is the time that it takes for the light to reach your eyes and of course you have to take into account the time it takes for the electrical impulses to travel from your eyes to your brain.

    5. Re:Live? by Clever7Devil · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two words:

      Wardrobe Malfunction.

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  21. "To avoid filling up their disks too quickly" by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Suggestion: call Google.

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    1. Re:"To avoid filling up their disks too quickly" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second suggestion: use GMail.

    2. Re:"To avoid filling up their disks too quickly" by adpowers · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, Europe hates Google: from the French getting upset about Book Search to the Belgium making them put a huge piece of text on their homepage to the Germans and others who make them censor hate speech.

    3. Re:"To avoid filling up their disks too quickly" by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Ah, good point. I had on my 'sensible' hat instead of my 'political' hat. Silly me.

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    4. Re:"To avoid filling up their disks too quickly" by DavidV · · Score: 1

      Tinfoil should also work against realtime google earth, you just need to get the right angle for the sun.

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  22. Triana Satalite by GreggBz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Al Gore had an idea to orbit a satellite that provides a continual view of the Earth.

    Shame, I would have like to have seen that publicized and championed by the media. A little cultural enlightenment might have gone a long way.

    1. Re:Triana Satalite by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wait, you mean to tell me that Al Gore invented the Triana Satalite? This is better than the internet!

      To the Press Department!

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    2. Re:Triana Satalite by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a shame. Every time I see Al Gore's name come up, I flinch, waiting for the inevitable "joke" to rear it's brain-dead head.

      Don't people ever tire of acting like sheep?

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    3. Re:Triana Satalite by necro2607 · · Score: 1

      it's supposed to be funny....! ;)

    4. Re:Triana Satalite by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything wrong with a little (overused) joking. The problem is when people take the joke's content to be totally serial.

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    5. Re:Triana Satalite by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Al Gore had an idea to orbit a satellite that provides a continual view of the Earth.

      Triana would have orbited pretty far out - it's 'continuous view' would have the equivalent of what you would see if you set Google Earth to an eye altitude of 10k miles. (I.E. pretty much 'move along, nothing to see here'.)
       
       
      Shame, I would have like to have seen that publicized and championed by the media. A little cultural enlightenment might have gone a long way.

      The problem with Triana (GoreSat) is that the media saw it for what it was - an expensive election year stunt with little scientific value and limited educational value. In fact, it's extremely limited scientific goals were an afterthought - added in an attempt to gain support for the mission. The radiometer wasn't in the original design.
    6. Re:Triana Satalite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nominal resolution was going to be 8km, using a CCD and telescope. It wasn't like MODIS or Envisat, but a true color record of images like that would have been handy, as would have the radiometer that was added later. Triana was built and now just sits in a warehouse somewhere, so in the end it was just wasted money. We could have gotten something out of it, at least.

  23. RAPIDFIRE by mwprod · · Score: 5, Informative

    NASA has been doing this for a long time now.
    Sure RapidFire doesnt have the flashy web interface (actually i dont like the MIRAVI web site), but all the photos are there and up to date.

    http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/

  24. WMD found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I think I just spotted WMD in Iraq and North Korea. Quickly, someone get me through to Bush.

    OMG...I almost missed that! PONIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

  25. Slashdot story with a site hosting BMP's by dobedobedew · · Score: 4, Funny

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Slashdot story with a site hosting BMP's by Pinkfud · · Score: 1

      Yeah, some of those BMP images are huge. No wonder the site is clobbered right now. Quit clicking the BMP links, you fools!

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    2. Re:Slashdot story with a site hosting BMP's by hritcu · · Score: 1

      Should we tell them?

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    3. Re:Slashdot story with a site hosting BMP's by idonthack · · Score: 1

      PNG wouldn't solve anything here, it works better for simple images with lines and large areas of color (vector rasterization, GUI screenshots, etc). Using it on things like pictures just results in a large filesize with a quality no better than JPEG. Their choice of JPEGs with temporarily available BMPs was a good decision.

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    4. Re:Slashdot story with a site hosting BMP's by hritcu · · Score: 1
      PNG wouldn't solve anything here, it works better for simple images with lines and large areas of color (vector rasterization, GUI screenshots, etc). Using it on things like pictures just results in a large filesize with a quality no better than JPEG. Their choice of JPEGs with temporarily available BMPs was a good decision.
      You are wrong. Twice.

      First, "PNG (Portable Network Graphics) is a bitmap image format that employs lossless data compression", so a PNG is always as good as the original. Absolutely no information loss, just like zipping the BMP only (usually) at a (slightly) better compression rate. On the other hand JPEG provides lossy compression, so quality inevitably decreases with JPEG (whether you observe it or not).

      Second, you imply that with this kind of images no compression can be achieved. So I just downloaded the BMP and compressed it using different lossless methods. Here are the file sizes:
      • Original BMP: 145,410,358
      • GZIP Archive: 118,947,446
      • TIFF (with LZW): 107,235,924
      • PNG Image: 89,314,365
      • BZIP2 Archive: 85,572,062
      Sure, the file sizes are still an order of magnitude larger than the JPEG and this is unavoidable with loosless compression in this setting. However, they they easily reduce the size of the originals to around 60%. That means that they could store them for 50 days instead of 30 using the same space. This also means I could have waited only 3.5 minutes instead of 6 minutes for it to download.
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    5. Re:Slashdot story with a site hosting BMP's by idonthack · · Score: 1

      First, "PNG (Portable Network Graphics) is a bitmap image format that employs lossless data compression", so a PNG is always as good as the original. Absolutely no information loss, just like zipping the BMP only (usually) at a (slightly) better compression rate. On the other hand JPEG provides lossy compression, so quality inevitably decreases with JPEG (whether you observe it or not).
      I know it's lossless. It's just that a JPEG provides quality good enough to be indistinguishable for most purposes from a PNG, and it achieves a much smaller filesize. Sorry for the wording, it does say what you say it says but that's not what I meant.

      Second, you imply that with this kind of images no compression can be achieved.
      I said nothing of the sort.

      So I just downloaded the BMP and compressed it using different lossless methods. Here are the file sizes:
       
      [snip]
       
      Sure, the file sizes are still an order of magnitude larger than the JPEG and this is unavoidable with loosless compression in this setting. However, they they easily reduce the size of the originals to around 60%. That means that they could store them for 50 days instead of 30 using the same space. This also means I could have waited only 3.5 minutes instead of 6 minutes for it to download.
      So, why don't they just use bzips? Because most of the world (Windows, unfortunately) has no commonly installed extraction utility. Windows also currently has pretty sucky PNG support with its native viewers. TIFF has support problems too, and many utilities only offer partial support (and, LZW was patent-encumbered until just a few years ago). gzip has the same problems as bzip. BMP, however, is extremely well supported everywhere. The only problem here is the size. Most people shouldn't be using the BMP links anyways as the JPEGs are good enough for the casual browsing from Slashdot, which is what really brought the server down. I suspect that even if they had no BMPs they would not have survived.
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  26. Night lights by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

    You know that pretty world light pollution picture. That's enhanced. It's not what the typical human eye sees at night time. The lights are much more dim from space. There's not too much to see with the same cameras that take day pictures.

    1. Re:Night lights by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      Here's a link

    2. Re:Night lights by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's a better link that explains "The above image is actually a composite of hundreds of pictures made by the orbiting DMSP satellites. "

  27. a likely story by jjeffries · · Score: 0, Redundant
    "Also, only region receiving light can be seen, which explains why no recent pictures of Thailand are available"

    Riiiiight... Has anyone ever seen Thailand and Envisat together? Didn't think so! One minute Thailand is right next to you, then you turn around and there's Envisat, but where did Thailand go???

    I think any decent person can see what I'm getting at here.

  28. I'm in Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure it's dark right now, but boy was it bright earlier on

  29. I like the older pictures by yagu · · Score: 3, Funny

    I kind of like the older Google satellite pictures better. I got laid off a couple of years ago, but the satellite picture of my bus stop still shows my car parked there so I can still feel like I have a job.

  30. Programmer senses tingling by Ironsides · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I sense the idea for a project to automatically take these images and update a map of the earth in real time.

    And why the hell aren't they using PNG instead of BMP?

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    1. Re:Programmer senses tingling by hritcu · · Score: 1
      And why the hell aren't they using PNG instead of BMP?
      Maybe they are using Microsoft Paint for post-processing.
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    2. Re:Programmer senses tingling by tonigonenstein · · Score: 1

      Because PNGs are useless on photographic images and demand more CPU / memory to process.

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    3. Re:Programmer senses tingling by Falladir · · Score: 1

      MS Paint now supports png.

  31. Obligatory by GoombaTroopa · · Score: 1

    Did I miss something? Did some devious Thai overlord deploy a sun-blocking device recently?
    Mr Burns!

    (Probably happened around the time as that episode with the power plant moved to India)
  32. Pay service by xtal · · Score: 1

    I'd pay a few bucks a month (maybe more than a few) for a HD feed of the planet in near-realtime.

    Any rich geeks want to put up a spy sat? I'm sure I'm not alone.

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  33. Dark by tryptych · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "There is no dark side of Thailand. As a matter of fact, it's all dark."

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  34. Anyone know the location of their webserver? by seriesrover · · Score: 5, Funny
    In about half an hour you'll be able to see a flume of smoke rising from the building - it'll be the first time we can physically see a slashdotting in action.


    The suspense is killing me.

    1. Re:Anyone know the location of their webserver? by Country_hacker · · Score: 1

      Check out the Firefox extension Shazou, it gives you the location of any server in a google maps window. This particular server is in Rome.

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    2. Re:Anyone know the location of their webserver? by 2Y9D57 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's in Frascati, ~ 30 miles south of Rome - where the wine comes from. There probably won't be any smoke - I believe Akamai does the heavy lifting for ESA. The slashdotting should only last as long as it takes to get Akamai tuned in.

    3. Re:Anyone know the location of their webserver? by Falladir · · Score: 1

      You mean a plume. A flume is a manmade waterway for transporting timber, I think. But you mean a plume.

  35. Live. Almost. by cbrichar · · Score: 0
    Almost Live serves as a fair definition of their site status as well.

    When there's only two choices, Almost live still means dead.

  36. Re:Not only Thailand - and in Korea by thewils · · Score: 1

    You can only see old people.

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  37. Quality by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    To avoid filling up their disks too quickly, only the bmp of the last 30 days are available but jpg are kept.

    My whole house could disappear as a JPEG compression artifact.

    How about TIFF with LZW compression as a compromise?

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    1. Re:Quality by necro2607 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "My whole house could disappear as a JPEG compression artifact."

      Holy crap, have you ever seen that 3d-animated show Reboot? I just got this really vivid image of a neighbourhood being destroyed as though it was whipped up in some kind of digital tornado, and sucked up into whatever unknown void... "AAhhhhh shit THEY USED JPEG!!!!!!! Run for your lives!!"

  38. Be like Billy... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 2, Funny
    "almost live."

    Is that like "almost funny"


    Oddly enough, yes.

    Though I do have fond memories of Billy Quan, The Lame List (or, "What's Weak This Week"), and the super-hero SPEED-WALKER! Plus you can see Bill Nye in his pre-Science-Guy days.
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  39. Thai Food by TranscendentalAnarch · · Score: 1

    Yes. The most destructive force in the universe.

    Nothing can escape it, not even light.

  40. This is FANTASTIC!!! by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I'll be able to see pictures of the earth and it will be almost like I'm there!

  41. Huge demand for near-realtime satellite imagery by heroine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While everyone scrambles to make portable mp3 players and game stations and search engines, this huge demand for near-realtime satellite imagery is going unfilled. In countries with crazy inflation and concentrated job growth, it's common to buy land far far away from the jobs instead of saving cash.

    Satellite imagery could allow those people to see the current condition of their assets and the surrounding area at any time. It would allow them to buy more assets without having to travel there. People who are now watching their cash investments disappear in the flood of inflation would have a chance to survive.

    The UK server doesn't have enough bandwidth to do it but maybe if someone looked away from their Macworld program for a second they could offer a live version of Google maps.

    1. Re:Huge demand for near-realtime satellite imagery by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      While everyone scrambles to make portable mp3 players and game stations and search engines, this huge demand for near-realtime satellite imagery is going unfilled.

      Mostly because there *isn't* a huge demand for near-realtime imagery outside of the geek 'oh wow man this is cool' community.
       
       
      The UK server doesn't have enough bandwidth to do it but maybe if someone looked away from their Macworld program for a second they could offer a live version of Google maps.

      Do you know why Google Maps/Earth is free? Because imaging companies own the rights to the photographs they take - after selling them to the original customer for an arm and a leg, the wait a while and sell them to anyone who wants them at fire sale prices. (This is why GM/GE is typically 2+ years out of date.)
       
      The free stuff you get from NASA and the ESA is far too low res to be useful for any kind of monitoring, and orbital mechanics says you can't get near-realtime coverage of any arbitrary point without multiple (4-5+) birds.
  42. Hey, what is that I see? by chinton · · Score: 1

    Is it the High Fivin' White Guys?

    1. Re:Hey, what is that I see? by RulesLawyer · · Score: 1

      Well, it is almost live. Bill Nye would approve.

  43. Hehe... Envisat? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    Was that one named for ESA being envious of another space organization? Or others successes in launching Mars vehicles?

    Hmm... I wonder which that could be. :-)

    (note: I'm European too; this isn't a cocky American.. just found the name funny)

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  44. Quote by jagdish · · Score: 2, Funny

    What are all these other places I see apart from America?

  45. Flat-earth heretic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    I read somewhere that the Earth exists in a state commonly referred to as 'round'


    Un, no. Its 'state' is more or less 'spherical'.
    1. Re:Flat-earth heretic! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "Un, no. Its 'state' is more or less 'spherical'."

      It was in public school, cut me a little slack!

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  46. Interesting-- what about NIGHTTIME shots? by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    I want to surf for light polluting cities. Do any of these satellite map sites give you the nighttime images?

  47. Not much better than a weather satellite by heroine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After getting in on Windows Flash 9 and between European server crashes, it appears this service is just a very hyped weather satellite viewer. It's even lower resolution than the weather satellite images you can download every 30 minutes. Score another point for extremely hyped ESA innovations that do absolutely nothing.

  48. Whew by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Also, only regions receiving light can be seen, which explains why no recent pictures of Thailand are available

    Oh thank God. I thought Thailand had finally had enough and just left.

  49. that's crap by r00t · · Score: 1

    5 pixels per mile, at least effectively

    (I don't know if they magnify that to get something big and blurry)

    A typical town will be the size of a small menu icon, or 3 to 4 characters in the default xterm font.

  50. OT: brilliant sig by LandruBek · · Score: 1

    That sig is brilliant: painfully funny. Sorry to go OT.

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  51. le sigh by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    As usual. When I'm trying to be funny, I'm modded troll. When I try to be insightful, it's considered funny.

    Maybe I should just troll the shi.. out of everyone, I'm quite sure I get modded insightful in the blink of an eye.

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