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FCC Won't Release Cell Carrier Reliability Data

imuffin writes "MSNBC is reporting that the FCC has been collecting data on the reliability of different cell phone carriers in the US. This data could be invaluable to consumers trying to choose a company to sign a lengthy contract with. Just the same, the FCC won't release the data to consumers, citing national security risks. The data collection on cell services began in 2004, but were simultaneously pulled from public view. FOIA requests to obtain the data have been denied, and commentators feel this is simply for the government's convenience." From the article: "'There is nothing mysterious behind it, it is corporate competition protection,' said [terrorism analyst Roger Cressey] ... 'The only reason for the government to not let these records get out is then one telco provider could run a full-page ad saying 'the government says we're more reliable.'' Cressey added that he couldn't imagine a scenario where the reports would be valuable to terrorists."

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  1. they've pretty much proven.. by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just the same, the FCC won't release the data to consumers, citing national security risks.

    Once again, confirming the fact that "national security risks" and "risks to corporate profit" are the same thing.

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    1. Re:they've pretty much proven.. by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about removing the government's ability to regulate business and promote the interest of citizens above the interest of corporations. They don't feel that corporations should have any accountability or responsibility whatsoever. It's about creating a climate and culture where the government doesn't oversee corporations and punish wrongdoing. Bush & Co. don't have any specific interest in telecoms; they just want corporate feudalism in general.

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    2. Re:they've pretty much proven.. by profplump · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that the security and stability of a nation is in large part a function of a sufficiently strong economy, "national security risks" and "risks to profit" are the same to some degree, regardless of your politics.

      That's not to say this data should be kept secret, or that the "national security" banner isn't used to hide thing for political purposes, but it's silly to pretend that the economy plays no part in security.

    3. Re:they've pretty much proven.. by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, give me a break. If that were the case, they would be pusing to prevent the FCC from having anything to do with the carriers at all. The report never would have existed.

      More likely, somebody is an idiot and actually believes that data is sensitive, somebody thinks calling the data sensitive will make them seem more important, thus advancing their career, or the report is so poorly done that they want to bury it before people realize their incompetence.

      This culture we have of pinning things we don't like on politicians we don't like even if there is no evidence or connection is absurd. It is *the* reason that the leaders of both our major political parties are complete morons who's sole talent is pinning blame on somebody else. We get it. You don't like Bush. But stand up and have some principles. Otherwise you are no better than he is.

  2. Isn't it obvious? by LordPhantom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cressey added that he couldn't imagine a scenario where the reports would be valuable to terrorists.

    Except, say, if they're trying to pick a quality cell phone provider?

    1. Re:Isn't it obvious? by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Except, say, if they're trying to pick a quality cell phone provider?

      Osama: Hello? Hello? Mustafa, are you still there? WTF! I should've heeded that government report and gone with Sprint!

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    2. Re:Isn't it obvious? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Besides, the fact that something can help terrorists should NOT prevent it, unless the benefit to them outweighs the benefit to the rest of us. Roads, electricity, phones, Internet, cars... all are crucial terrorist tools, so what?

  3. The first law of politics by dingbatdr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Money Talks.

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  4. It would have been handy .... by xlordtyrantx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... to have some information like that. I know when I first got a cell phone plan, I had no clue as to who to go with. After joining up with Cingular, I find out that they don't cover my area really well, and that if I wanted coverage, I needed to go with Verison. I could have used that info early on, before getting stuck into a two year contract... Oh, and everything that we want to know these days seems to only help the terrorist. Anyone else notice that?

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  5. Well, if they aren't going to release it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the hell did they do the study in the first place?

    1. Re:Well, if they aren't going to release it... by Skater · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not a study. The cell phone providers must provide the information to the FCC. It's not about coverage; it's about times when the system was unavailable for some reason (technical problem). Landline providers must provide the same information.

  6. These aren't the data you're looking for by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reports at issue here concern the uptime of the cell phone providers' networks, not the rate of dropped calls or coverage problems.

  7. Not happy by LParks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the Government uses my tax dollars to commision a report, and then denies me the information within that report?

    This is information that I am paying for and could weigh heavily in my decision of which service to subscribe to. It is ridiculous that the government does not support a consumer-driven economy.

  8. Grammar nazi alert by imuffin · · Score: 5, Informative

    You know, I normally mod down grammar nazis. But I can't help but complain here. My article summary has been so heavily edited that I barely recognize it. When I submitted this story, it didn't have these subject/verb disagreements:

    The data collection on cell services began in 2004, but were simultaneously pulled from public view.
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    FOIA requests to obtain the data has been denied,

    And I certainly wouldn't use the questionable idiom "Just the same."

    Come on, mods. If you're going to edit my submission beyond recognition and destroy its grammatical integrity while you're at it, at least don't attribute the submission to me.

    1. Re:Grammar nazi alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry but, you're grammer isn't up to hour standards. Let us insure you that, as semi-professional mod's I know how to edit. Furthermore, we excepted your submission irregardless, and thank you even if you are not happy too except it.

  9. Yet another... by FunWithKnives · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another incident wherein the public is not allowed to see/do/say/read/etc something because it would be a "national security risk". This is bullshit, obviously. They're using the Terrorism Scare (sort of a neo-Red Scare) to justify actions that would otherwise generate a lot of flack.

    "We've been collecting information on cellphone services, and have produced a ranking of reliability. But, unfortunately, if we let Joe Sixpack have access to this information, the terrorists will win! So of course you realize that we're just keeping your best interests at heart, right? You wouldn't want the terrorists to blow up little Johnny's elementary school, now would you?"

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  10. Why won't people take terrorism seriously? by banerjek · · Score: 4, Funny
    No one seems to care how easy we make things for the terrorists -- at least the FCC is trying to do something.

    When will people learn that terrorists may be using our roads, electrical grid, water supply, and grocery stores to benefit themselves? I hear some of them may even be using the telecommunications infrastructure to communicate with each other!

    Once we deprive the terrorists of access to these resources, we can live safe and free. Limiting access to these things will be difficult as a practical matter, our best option is probably to blow all these things up.

    We should probably burn down the schools and universities too -- there's no telling what a terrorist might do with knowledge they could gain there....

  11. Direct quote?! by ThePyro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I think is more important than grammar mistakes is that your article summary was posted in the form of a direct quotation, with no indication that your words had been edited. That's extremely poor journalism. Quotation marks should always been reserved for direct word-for-word quotations... any changes by editors must be clearly indicated as such by the use of brackets. Or, the editors should paraphrase the summary instead of writing it in the form of a direct quote.

  12. Mod parent +5 funny by rhombic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FCC is an independent agency that answers to Congress, not the president.

    Wow, thanks for the laugh, that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

    FWIW, the commissioners are appointed by the President, and then confirmed by congresscritters. 3/2 split by political party.

    Source? The FCC website The congressional oversight is a joke.

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  13. National Security Excuses by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If America doesn't convert the totally unaccountable "national security" excuse into a government system that's part of the oversight mechanism of checks and balances, then unaccountable government will destroy America. The national security excuse is therefore clear and present danger to real national security.

    I note that "national security" is the excuse that Bush gives to protect his warrantless NSA spying on Americans, which covers the same telcos these reliability data could expose as unreliable with immunity, though they can use the data themselves for anything they want, including business competition.

    Is there anyone left who believes Bush and his "national security" excuses are anything but fascism: government by and for, but not of, corporations? Anyone who believes anyone coming after Bush will be any more accountable, now that Bush has proven how easy it is for even a fool to abuse us this way, while we're actually under attack?

    Why do they hate America?

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  14. As someone who creates these reports... by Eric_Utah · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm involved with contributing data to the reports in question. Let me point out that the accusation against the FCC isn't quite right. Submitter claims that the FCC has been collecting data on the "reliability" of different cell phone carriers in the US -- data that could be be invaluable to consumers. The data in question are actually "outage reports" that involve FCC reportable events. These types of events generally involve damage to systems and read like: "911 service down to 175,000 subscribers for 17 hours due to fiber burned in arson event at 777 Bozo St.", or "45,000 subscribers had no services in Deer Meadows when falling tree knocked over Hwy 32 repeater". They describe specific incidents and addresses with number of subscriber minutes affected.

    Outage event reports full of acts of God (and acts of vandals) do not provide any data on the actual "reliability" of cell phone carriers as judged by consumers. Consumer reliability is seen as: "How often do my calls drop - how many areas of town have no service - how often do my call attempts say 'try again' or 'network busy'". Knowing that 20,000 users lost long distance service in BFE when an idiot with a backhoe dug up a fiber does not help with those questions -- oversubscribed cell phone towers are not reported as outage events. In short, the FCC does not know who the most "reliable" carriers are -- only which ones sustain the most damage to their facilities.

    As for security matters: If anyone wanted to create havoc, they'd take one glance at the report and burn down the sites responsible for the largest outages listed. "National infrastructure" is described in painstaking detail. It wouldn't take a criminal mastermind - only a couple of drunk high school kids.