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Microsoft Deems Emotiflags Patent-Worthy

theodp writes "Microsoft said you could count on them to improve patent quality. For an example of how they're raising the bar on innovation, check out this just-published patent application for Emotiflags, which Microsoft explains solves the problem of indicating an emotion associated with an email message. At the risk of infringing on the patent, this one Makes Me Mad!"

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  1. pwned by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're going to have to fight Despair, Inc for the frowny-face emoticon.

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    1. Re:pwned by plopez · · Score: 2, Informative

      Technically, I think it is trademarked, not patented. 2 different things. I have no clue what the implications may be however.

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    2. Re:pwned by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technically, I think it is trademarked, not patented. 2 different things. I have no clue what the implications may be however.

      I would suggest that a registered trademark would be pretty clear documentation of prior art.

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  2. Re:Grounds for patent? by Crouching+Turbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just an application, it's not a patent yet.

  3. In an unexpected move.... by stox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft patents stupidity. World governments cringe in terror!

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  4. This is so great... by gQuigs · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is so great, innovative, and quite amazing, it solves a common problem of not understanding the sarcastic tone of say... a post!

  5. That started on AOL in about 1992 by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those emoticons made from parenthesis and colons started on AOL in about 1992.
    Remember Bill Gates's first book, which "ignored the internet"?
    The idea that Microsoft invented any such thing is preposterous, and if the USPTO lawyer drones actually issue such a patent it will completely prove how totally clueless they are.
    We always knew it, but this will PROVE IT. I actually hope they do, because it will bring to light the importance of the REAL reform that is needed at USPTO.
    Even congress will recognize it.

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    1. Re:That started on AOL in about 1992 by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:That started on AOL in about 1992 by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      With their writing system, is anyone sure that the ancient Egyptians didn't invent it? Squiggle-Sguiggle-birdhead-hook-smilely face...

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    3. Re:That started on AOL in about 1992 by jonadab · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm, emoticons are rather older than AOL, dude. I'm pretty sure they were used on usenet since before the introduction of nntp, and I suspect they were probably used on multiuser systems before the internet.

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    4. Re:That started on AOL in about 1992 by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      The idea that Microsoft invented any such thing is preposterous, and if the USPTO lawyer drones actually issue such a patent it will completely prove how totally clueless they are.

      Patents are issued by patent examiners, not patent lawyers. Blame the engineers, computer scientists, biologists, chemists, and assorted scoundrels who actually are the ones issuing them.

    5. Re:That started on AOL in about 1992 by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a patent holder myself, and having had to have discussions with the examiner from "law office 12" at the USPTO about my application, they are lawyers. Government employees, but lawyers to be sure.
      By the sounds of the guy's voice on the phone a young and inexperienced lawyer. Working as a patent examiner, causing problems and mischief for us all due to that youth and inexperience.

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  6. Sort of confirms "Microsoft Adrift' hypothesis by plopez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One part says 'We're going to be reasonable about patents' while another department is patenting everything they can think of.

    It's typical of a large corporation to do this, where one part of the company has no clue what another part is saying or doing.

    Microsoft has become an 'old style' organization.

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  7. recently??? by sholden · · Score: 3, Insightful
    [0002] Emoticons are graphical icons such as "", or textual representations of graphical icons such as ":-)". Emoticons have become very popular through instant messaging applications, and their use has recently expanded to inclusion in email messages. For example, a user may add a smiley face emoticon after a funny sentence in an email message. Emoticons are typically designed to represent an emotion or feeling.


    "recently", "expanded". I don't think so.
  8. My response... by TerovThePyro · · Score: 5, Funny

    :-( That is all I have to say about this news.

  9. Re:Grounds for patent? by Lord+Prox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Give it time.

    Like until Monday.

    i-Curse Microsoft

  10. Nobody should be able to.... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nobody should be able to add a modified header of an existing flag to an SMTP envelope and patent it.


    It's not a case of "should", we all know the patent office thinks any patent with the word "computer" in it is novel and deserves the filing fee.

    eg. A quality Microsoft patent Another quality Microsoft patent

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  11. Re:Prior art at Google Groups.... by oohshiny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They're patenting something that involves the association of emoticons with iconic images, also involving mechanisms like X-Face. It's still not new, it's still not their idea, it still shouldn't get granted, but if you're going to cite prior art, cite the right one.

  12. I'm not sure what sickens me most... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not sure what sickens me most, the fact that this can be patented or the fact that somebody out there thinks "Emotiflags" are a neat idea.

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  13. emotiflags by DavidD_CA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Say what you will, but:

    1) "Emotiflags" is a brand new term. A search on Google only showed 5 hits, all of which were emoticon flags (as in country flags), not emotional flags like :) and :(

    2) One of the biggest problems people have with email is that it doesn't convey emotion. If the use of this concept becomes commonplace, it could mean good things for email. Being able to look at the emotion prior to opening the message will mean a lot less miscommunication.

    3) While message forums have been doing this for ages, this is the first time I've seen it applied to email as some kind of header deta along with the to, from, subject, importance, etc.

    And for what it's worth, the patent was filed almost a year and a half ago.

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    1. Re:emotiflags by kripkenstein · · Score: 3, Funny

      the patent was filed almost a year and a half ago.

      Yeah, a year and a half ago, the idea of using emoticons was an amazing inspiration. Nobody used them then. I don't think they even had the interweb yet.

    2. Re:emotiflags by trianglman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1) I can call email electro-letters but that doesn't make it new.

      2)This will potentially have the opposite effect since when MS has a patent for it they will start charging people to use it, rather than people freely including emoticons in their emails like they currently do.

      3) Given, but nothing reads this header yet and if they have to pay MS for the right to do so, they probably won't

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    3. Re:emotiflags by glwtta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You understand the difference between inventing something and coming up with a random new word to describe something that already exists, right?

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  14. yet another attempt to lock out Linux... by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Insightful
    by patenting the processing and display of a custom header in the email header, they are trying to get an arm lock on preventing any Linux email client from using this header field to display the emoticon or to put it there in the first place...

    this is basically a stripped down usage of X-Face, using just an "emoticon" to make it less obviously so.

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  15. Re:In related news by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently fear, uncertainty, and doubt were already taken.

  16. Re:A weird twist... by camperdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You underestimate the quality of patent applications. Someone holds a patent for a razor with five blades. Someone holds a patent for swinging from side to side. Someone holds a patent for assisting childbirth using centrifugal force. Someone holds a patent for a motorized ice cream cone. Someone holds a patent for playing with a cat using a laser pointer. If the patent system hasn't collapsed under 10,000 of these a year, Microsoft won't be able to dent the system.

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  17. Re:Grounds for patent? by Silkejr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if it's just an application that doesn't make their actions any less despicable. Destroying innovation of competitors so they can make more money, they should be ashamed of themselves.

  18. MOD PARENT DOWN by Loconut1389 · · Score: 3, Funny

    -1 NO EMOTIFLAG

    Your sarcasm wasn't spelled out for me. Furthermore, I'm filing a lawsuit for intentionally causing me confusion and emotional distress while trying to figure out if your post was insulting me or not.

  19. Despair, Inc. is a humor site... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Informative

    They don't have a trademark. Despair, Inc. is a humor site, of course, and they joke about their "trademark":

    Quote: The decision to award Despair, Inc. with a registered trademark for the :-( symbol left many in the field of intellectual property law stunned.

    Suzanna Larkow, I.P. specialist of Larkow, Madley & Associates, said of the issuance, "This is a defining moment in the history of intellectual property law. To extend official registration to an emoticon, one who's common usage predated the existence of the trademark holder by several years, defies common sense and establishes a dangerous precedent."

  20. Emotiflags sound awfully similar to...Mood Stamps by vettemph · · Score: 2, Informative


    Emotiflags sound awfully similar to... Mood Stamps found in Lotus Notes mail client dating back farther than I can remember.

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  21. Re:Grounds for patent? by morleron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Competition is good and I'm all for it. However, taking advantage of a badly broken patent system, while at the same time claiming that they are working towards fixing that system, is simply one more example of the hypocrisy of Microsoft and is not an example of fair competition. If His Billness and Company are truly concerned about frivolous patents then this is the sort of thing they should not be doing. The fact that they have filed the application tells me that the loudly proclaimed moves to improve the system were nothing, but another marketing ploy designed to improve the company's image, while making no difference to the way it actually functions. Our only hope now is that the USPTO will find examples of "prior art" in its own emails as they seem incapable of noticing it in the outside world - as we've seen too many other times.

    Just my $.02,
    Ron

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