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Wii Owners Looking at a Nintendo Drought?

The site Computer and Videogames has up an (unverifiable article) stating that several anticipated Wii titles are going to be delayed until late 2007. Specifically, they mention Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption as being out of our hands until the Christmas season next year. They report this information via 'reliable sources', and Nintendo is unwilling to confirm or deny the claims as of yet. N'Gai at Newsweek reminds us that Reggie Fils-Aime denied the possibility of a 'Nintendo drought' in an interview they conducted back in October. Here's hoping he doesn't live to regret these words: "... The third example I would give you is Mario Galaxy, another from-the-ground-up Wii game that we are strategically timing the launch to make sure that we continue driving momentum through 2007. So N'Gai, how do I answer the question, 'Will there be no drought,' and 'How will we make sure that there are fantastic titles for Wii?' The answer is Zelda, Metroid and Mario. Which is a pretty darn good lineup."

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  1. Wheres my Wii... by deggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Games drought - What about the console drought. They may be doing better than the PS3 but they're still like gold-dust. Where's my Wii???

    1. Re:Wheres my Wii... by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      do a little research. School was supposed to teach you how to do that

      I tried that, and I did it just the way they taught me in school. I went to the local library and thumbed through the card catalog, but couldn't find anything about what stores had Wiis available. Oh Dewey Decimal System, why hast thou forsaken me?

    2. Re:Wheres my Wii... by nonsequitor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I stopped by GameStop trying to get a second nunchuk for Wii Boxing and he said the second wave of Wii shipments was sold out in 10 minutes flat. He's had several people return PS3's now that they aren't getting the prices they expected on ebay only to have the next transaction in the register be someone buying the PS3, to try to sell on the internet.

      I find it strangely curious and sad that the holiday season has spawned a new industry of parasites. People who will buy up whatever the hot toy is only to put it up for an online auction trying to make a massive profit off someone who couldn't buy it in the store because everyone who bought one got it with the intention of selling it on ebay.

      The answer to your question is:
      Your Wii is now up for auction on the internet, once supply picks up, it will be returned to the store after its temporarily inflated value goes back down.

    3. Re:Wheres my Wii... by kinglink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The funny thing is the PS3 "drought" is less than the Wii drought. I know a couple people who would start a bidding war if I had a second Wii. But ps3 are starting to sit on shelves. Not for days exactly, but when you consider that they have sold around a fifth as many PS3 as Wiis, and the Wiis sales are still going strong? It's an impressive system.

      As for the story however CVG has three problems. A. They are in Europe, not America. B. They have no real proof they just claim to have an insider. C. "drought"? you mean a drought because it's a launch system and there might be "only" 1-2 nintendo brand games a month? There's a LOT of games coming to the wii, yet they are holding back on release dates. I wouldn't be suprised if we have 5-6 good to great games by March (in 2007 only) and double that before august. We know about Sonic, and Mortal Kombat Armegeddon, Wario Ware, and Wii play. Plus realize that if there's slow monthes or weeks, they have stated they will release some of the best games for the VC at that time.

      "Drought" Not bloody likely. More like "sunny days with out a chance of rain".

    4. Re:Wheres my Wii... by Damvan · · Score: 2, Informative

      A coworker of mine, in an attempt to get a Wii for his son for Christmas, stopped by the local Target every morning on his way to work to wait in line for a Wii. He said there was always at least 10 people in line every morning. He did this for 2 weeks, and during that time had the chance 4 times to buy a PS3, but not once a Wii. Not because they didn't get any Wiis, but rather that everyone in the line was there for a Wii.

      I finally got him a Wii because I am good friends with the local Gamestop manager, who held 2 for me. This particular Gamestop was selling all their Wiis to their friends and loyal customers.

    5. Re:Wheres my Wii... by nonsequitor · · Score: 5, Funny

      It may cheer you up to go watch PS3 auctions end below MSRP with no reserve set. I know that just made my day a little brighter.

    6. Re:Wheres my Wii... by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      but the wife won't be happy (and we all know what that means).

      This is /. , so no, the majority of people here will have no clue.

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    7. Re:Wheres my Wii... by nonsequitor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, I'll bite. However I think stores may start revising their return policies for these hot items once they flood back onto their shelves after the Christmas season is over and everyone who wasn't able to sell their's on ebay returns it. The stores know that they lose potential holiday sales because of this, scalper's aren't returning unsold tickets after the event. People who were willing to buy one as a gift for a relative, now will not be buying it at all and total sales will drop. Whether or not they will sell once returned remains to be seen. The Wii is going to be hard to come by for a while yet, but I predict seeing a PS3 on the shelf will not be an uncommon occurrence after the new year.

    8. Re:Wheres my Wii... by meepzorb · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Parasites? That's the free market you're badmouthing. Market demand is high, supply is low.

      Note the original poster's point: "Supply is low" because of scalpers (who have no intention of actually using the product) waiting on line to grab the PS3s before legitimate buyers can.

      These scalpers then attempt to generate wealth that they neither earned nor created on eBay-- with no renumeration to the designer, the manufacturer, the supplier, or the retailer.

      Scalping isn't an instance of "the free market", it's actually an attempt to profit through interference with the processes of the free market. So yes: "Parasites" is actually an excellent choice of word.

    9. Re:Wheres my Wii... by Profound · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess it is part of the market as people can do something legal to make money.

      However, no real productive work has been done, it is just people competing by lining up, holding products and then trying to sell them again.

      Originally people who valued the Wii at $200 more than the sticker price would have had that as a kind of happiness bonus over what they paid. Now that "bonus $200" has been extracted from them, people are spending their lives lining up and selling them etc.

      A good example of how GDP can go up but there is a net-negative to the world (people spend time in lines, people don't get as good a bargain as they would have)

    10. Re:Wheres my Wii... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Same thing happened to me. I've been going to BB everyday during lunch looking for a wii and have had a couple opportunities to buy a ps3. Still don't have my wii though.

    11. Re:Wheres my Wii... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then again, she also tends to get up before noon on a sunday, so GLHF. (sorry for the generalization)

      Great Lakes Hemophilia Foundation? Did they rename "von Willebrand disease" as "von Wii-brand disease" or something? I doubt this non-profit organization will help you find a Wii.

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    12. Re:Wheres my Wii... by Profound · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but how much of the scarcity is due to over-speculation?

    13. Re:Wheres my Wii... by kubrick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you think that's fair or "free market", then you probably thought that KennyBoy was unjustly accused.

      If the people selling were happy to sell, and you were happy to buy, that's the free market right there. "Fair" doesn't come into it. A purely free market is not usually a good thing for the majority of the participants in it, which is why we legislate to restrict them (probably not as much as we should, but legislators sell themselves so cheaply these days).

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    14. Re:Wheres my Wii... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would seem the "free market" has corrected the price. Both the Gamestop and Walmart near me have 6 PS3s a piece, inquiring about them it would seem that they got a shipment in of a few units, and none of them sold... after which they each had a few units RETURNED from eBay profiteers who couldn't turn a profit on them.

      I have a friend who tried to do the eBay thing, he preordered two units at different stores, and waited in line at a 3rd. Launch night he put them all up on eBay, all three ended for about $2K... all dead beat bidders, he re-listed, all three ended at about $1.2K all dead beat bidders, he listed a third time and all three ended around $900, two of the three were dead beat bidders, He decided to just keep one himself and the last one he's re-listing hoping to at least break even... I suspect many others experienced the same thing. Dead beat bidders probably came from the fact that prices started so enormously and dropped so fast that they'd rather suffer negative feed back then pay the price delta between when they placed their bid and when it came time to pay.

      It's not like this is surprising though, if you just polled any of the PS3 lines on launch day 9 out of 10 would have told you they were going to re-sell it... if you have a market of all sellers and no buyers it devalues the item pretty quick.

    15. Re:Wheres my Wii... by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cool - can I use that argument when I'm arrested by the cops in front of the ballpark next time I'm scalping tickets? Fucking communists interfereing with the freemarket. Fuck them in the ear!

    16. Re:Wheres my Wii... by slashdotjunker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Note the original poster's point: "Supply is low" because of scalpers (who have no intention of actually using the product) waiting on line to grab the PS3s before legitimate buyers can.

      ...

      Scalping isn't an instance of "the free market", it's actually an attempt to profit through interference with the processes of the free market. So yes: "Parasites" is actually an excellent choice of word.

      Don't get confused, there are two free markets here. A PS3 market and a labor market.

      Supply of PS3 is not "low". Low is a relative word that requires comparison to something else. There is simply a quantity of PS3s for sale and a quantity of demand for those PS3s. The supply and demand set a fair price. This is basic economics taught at the high school level.

      Labor is work. It is a free market where high demand and low supply workers clear at higher prices (i.e. get higher salaries).

      Example 1: high priced CEOs don't write computer software. Instead they hire (relatively) lower priced programmers to write the software for them.

      Example 2: high priced computer programmers don't wait in line. Instead they hire (relatively) lower priced line-waiters to stand in line for them.

      You can call these line-waiters scalpers or parasites all you want. But don't tell me that they're interfering with the process of the free market.

  2. Old Games, Pshhaw by spykemail · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who cares about the new games? Question is: will every NES game I have in my basement be re-released so I can pay for it again and play it without spending 3 hours trying to get my old (3) NES to work?? The adapters for the controllers are already being made, all I need to do is $250 for the Wii, $? for the adapters, $? for near mint NES controllers, and $5 and I'll be playing Super Mario Bros. like it's 1985.

    1. Re:Old Games, Pshhaw by maynard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have an old SNES that still works great. Why re-buy all those old games again? Never mind the difference in manufacturing quality between the SNES and a PS2 or 360. Hell, my first 360 didn't even last an hour; the SNES fifteen years and still going strong.

    2. Re:Old Games, Pshhaw by carlivar · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't need original NES controllers or adapters. Holding the Wii remote sideways feels almost exactly like the original NES controller.

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    3. Re:Old Games, Pshhaw by the+dark+hero · · Score: 2, Insightful
      you cant replace memories!T_T

      ....or hours of play time either :P

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  3. Europe only? by Bloomy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe this is just for Europe. The release lists linked in TFA have dates for games that are already out in the US (Children of Mana, Star Fox Command, Excite Truck).

  4. Drought? Who Cares! by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fortunately, Nintendo came out with a strong enough launch lineup that I really couldn't care less if nothing new came out for another 6 months. Include stragglers like Elebits (which was a couple of weeks late) and the system already has a solid half dozen must-haves.

    The Wii is an overwhelming success not because people are ga-ga over the latest and greatest, and just trying to be "first on the block" to have one. It's successful because there's already a TON of fun to be had with it. The last time people were buying a system by the million JUST TO PLAY THE PACK-IN was the NES and Super Mario Bros. We all know how that one turned out. It took a year or two for much else to happen (I'm thinking Zelda and the ensuing Nintendo-mania of the late 1980s), but in the meantime everyone was very happy just playing SMB and a few other early releases.

    Other than the real hardcore types who buy 20-30 games each and every year, there's more than enough Wii goodness to last the average person for 6-12 months. Coincidentally, this is exactly the type of person who the Wii is aimed at.

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  5. Sorry, busy playing all the GC on the Wii by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, I'm not too concerned about the purported Wii blockbuster game drought.

    I'm too busy playing my GameCube version of Sims 2: Pets on my Wii, while my son plays his GameCube Super Smash Brothers on it.

    Between that and all the fine games, I'm just hoping to have a chance to finish Rayman's Raving Rabbids myself (my son's already a World Champion), let alone delve into Excite Truck or Zelda that he's already mastered.

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  6. Re:Drought? Who Cares! or Elebits by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought that as a bonus Xmas present, in addition to another set of Wiimote and nunchuk, for my son. The cool part so far is all the old GameCube games, like Dungeons and Animal Crossing, all work fine on the Wii - you need the old controllers, but they all pop in the top.

    Is Elebits as good as it seemed in the previews? I hate waiting until next week ...

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  7. Drought now or drought later by SalaciousPucker · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Zelda was a Gamecube port. It was held back on the Gamecube solely to be a Wii launch title. Besides that, what do you have on the Wii? The games fall into two categories based on what I've seen: Tech demos (Wii Sports) or 3rd party XBOX ports (usually bad ones). Still, it's a pretty strong launch, solely based on Zelda.

    The problem is that the Wii launch, constitutes almost the entire production from Nintendo game studios over the last couple years, cause they sure weren't making Gamecube games. I'm sure they have a Mario and Metroid game in 2007, but what has Nintendo done to prevent a drought after that? The real problem is that Nintendo consoles still rely on Nintendo providing all the games worth playing and they just don't make them fast enough, for a broad enough market, or even at the same level as in the past. The reason the PS1 or PS2 was consistent was not cause of Sony's games, but cause of 3rd parties.

    3rd party Developers are not looking at the Wii as a place to make new creative games - why do it on old technology? The Wii is going to be looked at as a dumping ground or a place to make a cheap buck. PS2/XBOX ports, new levels on an old engine, rework the control scheme and push it out the door. Look at the Wii version of Far Cry or the fact that the 'new' Wii Prince of Persia is actually the OLD Prince of Persia (with NEW control scheme!) that came out last year for examples of this.

    1. Re:Drought now or drought later by togashi06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      3rd party Developers are not looking at the Wii as a place to make new creative games - why do it on old technology? The Wii is going to be looked at as a dumping ground or a place to make a cheap buck. PS2/XBOX ports, new levels on an old engine, rework the control scheme and push it out the door. Can't agree with you on that, just look at DS compared to PSP. Which one is getting the really creative games? It's not about power, DS and Wii have more than enough to deliver a complete experience( who has an HDTV set at home, anyway?), just look at DS's catalogue... elite beat agents, final fantasy 3 just to quote some. The last thing I hear from someone who has played them is a complain about it being old technology.
    2. Re:Drought now or drought later by paitre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      who has an HDTV set at home, anyway? Me. Bought 2.5 weeks ago, as a matter of fact, for far less than I was expecting to spend for a 40+" set.

      I have been quite pleased with the purchase, and the upgrade to HD/Digital Cable is worth the $5mo it's costing me (NFL in HD ftw).

      That said - I agree with you otherwise. The new controller is already forcing developers to think outside the box, and I feel that there will be far more innovative and exclusive games for Wii than there will be for PS3 or 360. I'm not saying that those systems won't also have innovative games, but they won't be game-play innovations. PS3 and 360 are definitely going to try to push the envelope on graphics and audio realism, I just don't think they are going to have the same effect as innovative play control is going to have.

      Again - look at the DS. I just bought a DS Lite for my 8yo for his birthday, and it was absolutely intuitive for him to use. Hell, I'm seriously considering getting myself one for MY birthday (or to celebrate my divorce being final, whichever happens first) to help break me off of my MMORPG habit. :D
    3. Re:Drought now or drought later by seebs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, so far, I'd say you're precisely wrong; this is the one platform offering any real chance to do something different, rather than just the same with more polygons.

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    4. Re:Drought now or drought later by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That said - I agree with you otherwise. The new controller is already forcing developers to think outside the box, and I feel that there will be far more innovative and exclusive games for Wii than there will be for PS3 or 360. I'm not saying that those systems won't also have innovative games, but they won't be game-play innovations. PS3 and 360 are definitely going to try to push the envelope on graphics and audio realism, I just don't think they are going to have the same effect as innovative play control is going to have.

      But what about the motion sensing controller for the PS3? Surely we can't discount that completely out-of-hand. Yes, it is a me-too idea from Sony riding Nintendo's coattails in this regard, but this is nothing new; Nintendo has pioneered many of the control methods we see commonplace in other consoles today (don't really need to list them). Personally the original dual shock is still my favourite, and I like the sixaxis a lot for that reason.

      Anyways my point is - the xbox has the most to lost potentially if there is a real Revolution (ha) in motion sensing games. The PS3 controller is not as detailed in positioning resolution, but it IS there, and a port many of the simpler non-stickhandle type games would not have much trouble (I'm thinking Katamari as opposed to Wii Sports). And don't forget there are 3rd part USB controllers gunning for the Wii remote, that already work on Xb0x360/PC/PS3.

      Seems to me the major differences between the Wii Remote and the Sixaxis are one-handed vs two-handed control, and level of positioning resolution.

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  8. horses by headonfire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The answer is Zelda, Metroid and Mario.



    You mean the answer is flogging dead horses by using the same franchises over and over again. Not that I don't love me some Zelda, Metroid or Mario action, as most games in the franchises are excellent; but I'd like to see something else move into Nintendo territory. Please, for the love of god. Give us some fresh meat. Hardware-wise, we're in a new realm, and it's been fantastic. The DS, the Wii, both great. Now let's try some new characters, shall we? Mario doesn't have to retire, just, let him take a short vacation, and focus some of that Mario energy into a new project, a new product, that's gonna make us scream.
    1. Re:horses by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You mean the answer is flogging dead horses by using the same franchises over and over again.

      These horses are far from dead.

      The last Zelda and Mario games that came out, I bought both of 'em on launch day. New SMB I finished in a weekend, though it took me a long while to find every level and get the three-star save file. Twilight Princess - well, I'm at just over 30 hours since the UK launch on December 8th, and I just completed the Snowpeak quest. Died twice early on, only once been seriously threatened since then.

      These games have been fairly easy, because I'm extremely good at them. For this I have to thank some 20 years of experience. But they're both of them excellent games, at least as good as anything else you'll find on the shelves. My experience of their forebears means I pick up the new game much more quickly, but it doesn't make it any less a great game.

      A new Zelda or Mario isn't like a new Madden or even a new Championship Manager. It's not just a reissue of the same basic game with prettier graphics. It's the same underlying mechanism, sure, and with recurring characters, but it's always a new world to explore.

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    2. Re:horses by LordKronos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please, for the love of god. Give us some fresh meat.

      Have you tried Animal Crossing or Pikmin? Those are both relatively fresh (2 titles each) and both incredibly fun. With Animal Crossing, I can see how it definitely has limited appeal for many gamers, but I think Pikmin could be great for almost anyone.

  9. NVRAM battery in the cartridge by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Informative

    The battery for the NVRAM probably died. That's why it's losing your saves. People have replaced batteries before.

    http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/archive/index. php/t-17949.html

  10. The minigames are the whole point! by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny that you'd mention minigames. Again, you have to think of just who the Wii is aimed at.

    Is it aimed at the guy who plays Zelda all the way through 10 times? No.
    Is it aimed at the gal who collects every last star, heart, bonus fish, or whatever in Mario to unlock another costume? No.
    The guy who races every last track down to the microsecond hoping to finally open another level? No.

    Is it aimed at folks who just want to sit down and have some fun for a while? YES.

    Minigame collections, to me, are exactly what the doctor ordered. Not some sprawling 100+ hours of gameplay. Not some endless quest for little reward.

    I'm in the gaming middle. I play through Zelda, but ONCE. Once I'm done, it has zero lasting value to me. Minigames, on the other hand - hell, I'm STILL playing Tetris, which for all intents and purposes these days, is a minigame. Quick if you want, no story, no collecting things, nothing. You just fire it up and play for a few minutes. I find the mingame style of games are playable far longer than most modern games.

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  11. Elebits metareview scores by jchenx · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you trust metareview sites, such as GameRankings, then Elebits appears to be a decent game, averaging about 71% at the time of this posting. Not a 5-star title by any means, but around the 3 to 4-star mark.

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  12. Re:For the love of Wii by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually if you look at the mario and zelda games, you will see that the characters often are recycled but the gameplay differs quite a lot, which is a lot compared to many other publishers who recycled the gameplay and exchange the characters and hammer a different title onto them. I recently had the chance to play mario 64 (bought it over the virtual console) and was quite surprised how different the gameplay was to what I was expecting. Instead of doing another pure jump and run this game had an amazing puzzle density from the beginning. Another one is Zelda, twilight princess is simply excellent and quite different compared to the old zelda titles which I had played (although probably very similar to occarina of time) You can blame nintendo for many things, but not for recycling the game over and over again like EA does.

  13. Re:Not necessarily a bad thing by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The main problem is that Nintendos games have excellent quality, every game which does not come close to this quality or even tries to, looks like a stinker, while on other systems they might pass as average games.

    If you deliver excellent quality you can compete with Nintendo also on Nintendo systems. Classic example is Rayman Raving rabbits, probably the only non Nintendo must have title for the Wii. And just because the game really is designed for the wii (it would not work on other consoles that way, due to the control scheme)

    Publishers like EA who constantly just recycle the same garbage have a hard time on Nintendo systems, but others who try different things and have good quality like Ubisoft lately or also Capcom lately are quite happy there.

    Nintendo produces bad games very rarely, while I do not even touch games from certain publishers.