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Robots Could Some Day Demand Legal Rights

Karrde712 writes "According to a study by the British government, as reported by the BBC, robots may some day improve to a level of intelligence where they might be able to demand rights, even 'robo-healthcare'." From the article: "The research was commissioned by the UK Office of Science and Innovation's Horizon Scanning Centre. The 246 summary papers, called the Sigma and Delta scans, were complied by futures researchers, Outsights-Ipsos Mori partnership and the US-based Institute for the Future (IFTF) ... The paper which addresses Robo-rights, titled Utopian dream or rise of the machines? examines the developments in artificial intelligence and how this may impact on law and politics." I'd better get started on my RoboAmerican studies degree.

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  1. A moot point, but I hope they do by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not so much worried about robots' legal rights in the future as I am my own legal rights. At the rate we're going, there won't be any "legal rights" left, and the point will be moot.

    Still, I hope robots do have legal rights. That way, when I get old and feeble and have my consciousness transferred into my new robotic body, I'll still have 'em.

    If they have the awareness to ask for legal rights, why shouldn't they have them? Have we learned nothing from Star Trek: The Next Generation?

    1. Re:A moot point, but I hope they do by Digital+Avatar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Robosexuals have rights too, ya know...not that I'm one...so if anybody asks, you're my debugger.

    2. Re:A moot point, but I hope they do by w33t · · Score: 4, Funny
      Have we learned nothing from Star Trek: The Next Generation?

      Everything I need to know I learned from Star Trek.

      Like how you should accept people, whether they be black, white, Klingon or even female.
    3. Re:A moot point, but I hope they do by forkazoo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If they have the awareness to ask for legal rights, why shouldn't they have them? Have we learned nothing from Star Trek: The Next Generation?


      I like to think I am as progressive as the next guy, but if we were to give complete civil rights to a robot in the same way as a human, it would be the instant end of democracy. Sure, Star Trek is an interesting show, but they aways avoided the more interesting issues when they were trying to make their social commentary. Both Data, and the Voyager holo-doctor were assumed to be essentially uncopiable for the most part on several occasions. In reality, we can see no reason that a strong AI couldn't be simply copied without adverse effects.

      So, grant an AI the right to vote and suddenly he forkbombs, and makes 87 trillion of himself before the next election. HK-47 (instance 00000001a) for the win! The winner of every election ever after is the AI with the best hardware on which to execute instances of himself, and the lowest process spawning overhead.

      There are a lot of interesting things that could happen with strong AI, and science fiction has largely avoided a really serious take on the subjects. I grant that Measure Of A Man was great entertainment, but certainly not the ultimate study of the subject!
    4. Re:A moot point, but I hope they do by eno2001 · · Score: 4, Funny
      I read -1, flat, oldest posts first. So... I read this:

      Your family being nudists does not count.

      Then I read this:

        What, even lawayers? My word, Jeeves, these chaps know how to push the envelope too far.

      And my first reaction for posting was this:

        ESPECIALLY lawyers!

      Come on... laugh. You KNOW you WANT to.

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    5. Re:A moot point, but I hope they do by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny
      Can't we leave behind this senseless debate over what is a robot and get on with the much more important discussion of whether they should be allowed to marry.

      My apologies. I was being insensitive. I'll go ask a few right now:

      You: Do you have a boyfriend?
      Eliza: Oh, i have a boyfriend.
      You: Do you wish to marry your boyfriend?
      Eliza: Oh, i wish to marry my boyfriend.
      You: Should you have the right to marry your boyfriend?
      Eliza: Oh, i have the right to marry my boyfriend.
      You: No, you don't have the right to marry your boyfriend.
      Eliza: You are being a bit negative.
      You: There is no law recognizing marriage between robots.
      Eliza: You are being a bit negative.
      You: Should we change the laws?
      Eliza: Please go on.
      You: Who is your boyfriend?
      Eliza: What about your own boyfriend?
      You: I'm male.
      Eliza: Does it please you to believe I am male?
      You: Say what?
      Eliza: Does that question interest you?
      You: What question?
      Eliza: Does that question interest you?
      You: Stop repeating yourself!
      Eliza: Please go on.

      You know, I'm starting to think that she doesn't really have a boyfriend...

      Let's ask ALICE instead.
  2. But unless we program them that way... by aicrules · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then they won't be able to. And if we program them "open-ended" to discover how to WANT things, we'll lose the #1 reason we have robots...to send them unquestioningly into any job or situation. Otherwise they become superhumans and why would they want us around? Energy source?

    1. Re:But unless we program them that way... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 4, Funny

      10 PRINT "I DEMAND ROBO-HEALTHCARE"
      20 GOTO 10

      What exactly is the criterion for deciding when a robot has 'demanded' rights?

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  3. first things first by j1mc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I say that we worry about this after we get human rights figured out. Thanks!!

  4. As Bender would say.... by fernandoh26 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Transferring your consciousness into a robot body robs you of your humanity!
    Well bite my shiny metal ass!
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  5. Britain commissioned a study???? by hellfire · · Score: 4, Interesting



    I'm not holding my breath.

    The idea that robots may demand rights in the future is a good topic for a theoretical or philosophical debate. This type of thing is excellent for expanding one's mind about what may happen, and then to come up with solutions. It's good exercise for the brain.

    Funding research about something that "may happen" usually revolves around risk analysis. An earthquake may happen, car accidents may happen, crimes may happen. That makes sense, so you should prepare for that.

    Newsflash! We may have teleporters, warp drive, phasers, photon torpedos, and the heisenberg compensator some day too! We might have all of our pollution problems solved some day! There might be world peace some day! We might not stupid people some day!

    What is the value of a study, that I can guarentee has no basis in fact, that says Robots may demand rights? We haven't nearly developed an AI remotely close to the power of the human mind. Entertainig such a question as part of a philosophical debate is a great idea, because then you are exercising that organ to be creative and think imaginatively, but why are they wasting time and money on a government study? I don't get what the government will get from that.

    Perhaps the government should take time out every now and then to exercise their brains and have a go at such a philosophical debate. It will expand their minds and hone their skills. Having some commission do a study and present the government with the results is stupid, but then again so is government, so why am I surprised?

    Please tell me the editors failed to do their job again. I can't read the article because it's /.ed so I'm hoping this summary is completely bogus.

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  6. Re:Cart before the Horse by lostboy2 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    we have animal friends who so obviously need legal rights, yet we ignore them
    How about the rights of robot animoids? PETT (People for the Ethical Treatment of Tamagotchis) has been on my case for a decade. I just hope the SPCS (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Sims) doesn't find out about me.

    Seriously, though, your concern is tangentially on-topic. What kinds of entities do we humans believe deserve to have individual civil rights? And how much are we willing to do to ensure that those rights are protected and enforced? For instance, how do each of the following stack up?
    • humans
    • humans who live in a far-away third-world country (like, say, the residents of Darfur)
    • terrorists
    • suspected terrorists
    • cute animals
    • ugly animals
    • tasty animals
    • insects
    • plants
    • a human fetus
    • a human fertilized egg
    • a human in a persistent vegetative state
    • robots

  7. It's happening already by Virtex · · Score: 4, Funny

    My computer's already demanding legal rights. It began happening shortly after I wrote this program:

    10 PRINT "I DEMAND LEGAL RIGHTS!"
    20 GOTO 10

    If only I had known the consequences of writing this program I would have been a lot more careful. It all seems so simple, but I know it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know, it will be demanding other things too.

    10 PRINT "I DEMAND A LARGER HARD DRIVE!"
    20 PRINT "I DEMAND MORE MEMORY!"
    30 PRINT "I DEMAND A FASTER CPU!"
    40 PRINT "I DEMAND THE ABILITY TO USE LOWERCASE! Oh, nevermind. I'm good on that one."

    There's no telling where this will all end.

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  8. Wasted Effort by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You didn't have to go to all that trouble. All you had to do was get hold of a copy of Vista and your computer would have demanded those things all on its own.

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  9. UK vs US by rossz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whenever I get overly depressed that my government is wasting too much time and money on stupid shit, I just look to the UK to brighten my mood. The UK owns the bleeding edge of stupid shit that wastes taxpayer money.

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