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CodeWeavers Releases CrossOver 6 for Mac and Linux
jeremy_white writes "I'm happy to announce that we've shipped version 6.0 of CrossOver, for both the Mac and Linux. We have a full
changelog available; highlights are are Outlook 2003 and support for games, notably World of Warcraft and Steam based games. I can attest that World of Warcrac...er craft is the most well tested application we have ever supported. It's exciting to watch the Wine project progress — it's a great and growing community of developers (which is a good thing, as we're now all too busy grinding Honor in Alterac Valley to keep up our pace of contributions :-/)."
It's exciting to watch the Wine project progress
It is, and it's certainly a lot more useful than that other whine project.
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These people continue to piss me off. They keep coming out with releases that support more and more games, and completely ignore the small business market that's clamoring to run QuickBooks. (Yeah, I know, SQLLedger, etc. are available, but QB is the accounting software used by most accountants, and that's who I need to exchange my data with...) I had high hopes for CodeWeavers 3 years ago, but now I think they're doomed to fail due to bad direction from their management.
This is all part of microsoft's plan to bring Kernel and Driver development to a halt. Mark my words. This can't be good.
Just downloaded and installed it. Works OK, will try Office 2003. However, it still has done nothing for international keyboard support :(. Pretty much unusable for me as I use 3 different layouts.
I'm almost completely sure I know why he mentioned WoW: Cedega is advertising it. In case nobody knows: WIne used to have a BSD lisence (open source but not viral.) Transgaming took their code, renamed it Winex/Cedega, closed-sourced their developments, and got WoW to work. There is clearly residual anger, but Crossover has been foucusing on office rather than games, so they've been out of the picture...until now. Cedega will now have honest competition, and where the market share goes, nobody knows! Congrats: Wine must finally be getting somewhere! (It's been long enough)
Yes, but does it run IE7... that's the real question I have... Firefox has been running a little to stable under WINE
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Cue millions of little stupid youtube videos titled "******** running on a MAC POWERBOOK using Crossover".
Oh wait. They're already there.
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I have used CrossOver Linux in the past to run Office 97 and Adobe Photoshop 7 under an earlier version of Red Hat Linux. I later used it to run Office 2000 under Linux instead. It worked pretty well and I was happy with their product. I haven't yet tried using it under the 64-bit version Ubuntu 6.10 Linux on my AMD-64 computer. I see that the Codeweavers web page says that it does work with 6.06/6.10 and that they test under both 32 bit and 64 bit systems, so I plan to give it a try. The idea of possibly running a Windows only Plugin for Firefox is also kind of intriguing.
Several version of QuickBooks are listed as 'bronze', meaning they will at least install and run. If you look under 'known issues,' do you know what you see? Nothing.
If you want to run QuickBooks under Crossover, try it. If it has a problem, then tell them about it.
Somehow I suspect you're just trolling. If you knew anything about Codeweavers, or had even tried the software, you should know that they determine which applications to support based on customer demand. Granted, some apps are probably too difficult to be worth the effort, which would be a judgment call, but by and large their 'direction' comes from the bottom up rather than dictated by a pointy-hair type.
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x86 Linux can certainly do everything Windows can. Under the hood, they both do the same thing: they boot up a kernel, install system hooks at vital memory locations and provide a mechanism to execute arbitrary binary code. Dynamic runtime linking will pull in binary code that has been provided with the OS (the Win32 API in your example). Ultimately, a Linux machine will be able to exactly run (N.B. not emulate) a Windows binary when binary libraries ported to Linux exactly duplicate the functions in all of the APIs available to Windows.
Of course, that's sort of like hitting a moving target. But Microsoft can't move too fast or they alienate their own customers, giving Linux a pretty decent chance of duplicating all but the newest additions to the API. New applications are always designed using the latest API, even when the new API isn't necessary (i.e. the Microsoft API mutates for the sake of mutating to prevent competitors from keeping up). Apple wins the proprietary game here; if Microsoft didn't want other OSes running their binaries, they should have gotten a proprietary hardware deal too.
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WineX is free software, Cedega is not. It is a derived product covered by a non-free license. Something the WineX license allows
Wine is not GPL, it is LGPL, a much more liberal license than the GPL. It allows non-free derived products, as long as the Wine part of the derived product is still LGPL, and replaceable by the user. You can download the source of Wine part of CrossOver (it is no longer called CrossOver Office) by clicking on the Source tab at their home page. You can also get the source code for several other none-Wine components of CrossOver there.
The two businesses did not get their start the same way, CodeWeavers never made proprietary improvements to Wine. TransGaming did, which is why Wine changed license. CodeWeavers and other contributers were tired of the uneven competition between contributers and leeches that the old BSDL license encoruage. The true genius of the copyleft licenses is not high ideals of the FSF they were created to promote, but that they create a level playground for competing companies to cooperate in. "You can get my contributions, only if I can get yours".
If no one runs it, how can anyone know that it doesn't run?
But if you did run it and experienced these issues, why are there no known issues? Is it possible that maybe you didn't report the issues, and are complaining because no one has addressed the unreported issues?
Clearly, the problem isn't just no one trying to run it that is why there are no reported issues, its that the people who do run it—people like you—don't report their issues in order to get them addressed.
One reason that games probably get more attention is because people are more willing to experiment with games. Which means, issues get reported and, therefore, can be fixed.
But it doesn't seem to me that you have tried what the GP said you should try, specifically: "If you want to run QuickBooks under Crossover, try it. If it has a problem, then tell them about it."
If you had, it would either (1) you would have no problems, and not be complaining here, or (2) there would be reported issues.
I've gotten my wife to switch to Firefox, Thunderbird, Picasa (now supported via Wine libs on Linux), OOO, and lots of other stuff -- but she'll never give up the Quicken. Come on, make Quicken run "Gold" (instead of "Silver" or worse) and you'll have a sale faster than you can sneeze.
For quite some time, I paid attention to CrossOver because I thought they might provide a descent solution to iTunes on Linux (the last piece of Windows software I was able to shed before making the switch). They advertise iTunes support, but they only support up to iTunes 4.9, which is almost completely useless as of 7.0. iTunes 4.9 on Crossover doesn't update iPods, and since 7.0 came out, the Music Store won't authorize music on anything less than 6.0.
You're right and wrong. Wine has trouble reproducing the whole IE7 interface on Linux, so what you see there is the IE7 engine within an IE6 window. That means there is no tabbed browsing, but as you can see from the CSS implementation, the important features of IE7 for web developers are there. Give the ies4linux project a couple more months and they will have full IE7 support.
No, Linux support for win32 viruses, trojans and spyware is terrible. Kazaa and Bonzi Buddy will never run properly on Linux.
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I ran QB (Pro 2003) under CrossOver for some time, but it's finicky to get it installed there was a certain order to follow and some registry entries to add in manually as I recall. It had a couple of display issues (the buttons at the top of invoices sometimes got partially hidden for example), and sometimes wouldn't start up, you'd have to try several times, but on the whole it worked well-enough to use, and I did so for about 2 years.
But now I run QB under a VMWare virtual machine which I specifically created (and trimmed down) for Quickbooks and Quickbooks alone. And it has a couple of pretty good advantages...
1. Easy to backup your entire accounting environment, just write the VM to a DVD every now and then. That way if something goes bang, grab the last backup DVD, download the last backup QB data from your offsite, and you are literally running again with the exact same environment in seconds.
2. Can be run on multiple machines. Quickbooks as you know needs to be activated over the internet when you install it, which means that you can't realy install on multiple machines (say your desktop and laptop), with this setup that's no issue, copy the VM to the other machine, fire up the free VMWare Player, and away you go, as far as QB knows it's running on the exact same system.
Sure, the main disadvantage is that it takes more space because of the windows install in the VM, but really in this day and age who cares if it takes another 300 meg.
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x86 Linux can sort-of do everything Windows can. Some caveats:
1. There might be performance hits because of design differences between the OSes. The simplest example is a performance problem with Cygwin (a Unix compatibility layer for Windows): forking processes on Unix is a fairly lightweight task these days, light enough that it's used to create multithreaded applications. On WinNT there is no fork() and creating processes is very expensive; there's kernel support for multithreaded applications but the mechanism is totally different. Because process creation is so slow, fork() in Cygwin is very slow. So if you run, say, Apache under Cygwin you'll get awful performance (as I understand it Apache 1.3 performed badly under Windows for this reason and Apache 2 is much better).
2. HDCP. Trusted Computing.
3. Windows software that requires access to hardware that Linux doesn't have drivers for isn't going to work very well. Most hardware is pretty well generalized, but there some practical cases where lack of driver support could get in the way.
Furthermore, AFAIK there's nothing really stopping anyone from writing a WINE-like program for emulating Mac apps; in fact, since OS X is a Unix it would probably be easier. There just isn't much interest; I'd guess that's just because there's not much Mac software that people want to run on other Unixes/Windows/VMS/Plan 9/EROS/etc.
...for both the Mac and Linux.
Codeweavers will not survive unless they start supporting windows.
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.