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Teacher Found Guilty of Endangering Kids Due to Spyware

nursegirl writes "Norwich, Conn seventh grade teacher, Julie Amero has been convicted of four counts of risk of injury to a minor after her classroom PC displayed pornographic pop-ups in class. While an expert for the defendant said he had discovered spyware on her PC that had been downloaded from a hairstyling site, the local police investigator claimed that the spyware had been downloaded from actively visiting porn sites. Amero testified that she had told four other teachers and the assistant principal about the popups, but received no assistance. The school's internet filtration software was not working because it's license had expired. Amero faces up to forty years in prison."

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  1. you know.... by macadamia_harold · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amero testified that she had told four other teachers and the assistant principal about the popups, but received no assistance ... Amero faces up to forty years in prison.

    If only we had some... amendment... a "bill of rights" if you will... that ruled out "cruel and unusal" punishments like this.

    Nah, that's crazy talk.

    1. Re:you know.... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not the punishment that's cruel or unusual, it's the charge. "Risk of injury to a minor" can stem from accidental viewing of a porno ad?

      Injury? It's not a financial loss. The kids weren't physically harmed. The only potential injury is to the parents plans for educating their children. The children themselves certainly weren't scarred for having seen it. If they're scarred at all, it's because they were raised to take offense to the material.

    2. Re:you know.... by tehshen · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The kids weren't physically harmed.

      Does anyone know what the sentence would be if she actually attacked one of the kids? I'm guessing even that would be a lot less.
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    3. Re:you know.... by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Attacked?

      It'd probably be less than 40 years if she'd have murdered one of them.

    4. Re:you know.... by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's lots and lots of mentally scarring porn out there. Take the goatse man, or tubgirl, as an example.

      Hi, my name is Mike, and I was exposed to tubgirl 4 years ago. I have to say that since that night, my life hasn't been the same. Every time I defecate, I have to put duct tape over my mouth first, and then I have to hold my breath. I can't take a bath anymore without crapping. Damn you, tubgirl. I'm so happy about the support I have received in this group, however. You guys are wonderful.

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    5. Re:you know.... by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The children themselves certainly weren't scarred for having seen it.

      I take it you didn't get the memo.

      If they're scarred at all, it's because they were raised to take offense to the material.

      There is that, of course, but there is the corallary as well. It is my observation that kids that are scarred by the experience get this scarring from having to deal with all the fucked up grownups around them going completely apeshit about their having seen a little exposed skin.

      It's a self fullfilling prophecy that kids are harmed by it if you insure they come to harm yourself.

      Yo! People. Under our clothes? We're naked. Get used to the idea, 'k? I'm getting a bit tired of living among psychotics.

      KFG

    6. Re:you know.... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is that so? As a kid I once saw a blowjob picture and I found it exceedingly gross. Did I recover? Sure... Even goatse, bestiality and tubgirl do nothing to me anymore. Would I enjoy doing anything of those things? Hell, no! But, hey, other people can do what they want.... Tolerance is something you learn over the years.

      You want to know the one thing that scarred me as a kid, which I still remember with disgust to this day? I saw a charred corpse on TV. (I think it was on the news) I had nightmares for months after that. Still today, I ca't stand watching pictures of charred corpses.

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    7. Re:you know.... by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You touch upon that strange thing in western society (or perhaps everywhere, I am not sure). Why is seeing sex considered so harmful to children, compared to quite disgusting violence (that can and will give nightmares, etc)? I have a hard time seeing how seeing sex could really harm a human child... especially such a short exposure such as this. I mean, many children must at least have walked in on their parents having sex at some point... and I think most of those children turn out ok anyway. And I'd wager any healthy boy (and girl more likely than not) have seen some kind of porn at 10 year old (and said "ewwww", too).

      I just don't see the reasoning there. Anyone know why or how this "sex is harmful to see for children" came about?

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    8. Re:you know.... by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Anyone who considers goatse and tubgirl to be porn are already "injured" IMHO.

      =Smidge=

    9. Re:you know.... by BakaHoushi · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem with your reasoning is:
      A) You're using reason. That's the first sign you're an immoral heathen.
      B)Violence is natural. Sex is not. If God wanted us to have sex, we would be born with some kind of genitals which would develop over time, allowing us to perform and desire sexual acts, not the submachines guns babies come with out of the womb. ...Hey, wait a minute...

      When I was a young boy (probably around 10), I'd just gotten out of the pool and while walking around, I saw my 5 year-old-cousin drying off. She had her towel open in the front.

      That's right: I, a boy as young as 10, saw my first naked girl. So terrible was the sight I went on a killing spree for weeks to calm my troubled mind. And did you know the assassin who killed Archduke Ferdinand, which launched WWI, became an assassin after walking in on his parents having sex?

      Seriously, there is no logic. Sex is natural. It's about the most natural thing there is. And plenty of young children, get this, even like to play with their genitals. They may not understand why, but they think it feels good. So, why some people think it's okay to see the aftermath of a carpet bombing but not a pair of breasts I'll never understand.

    10. Re:you know.... by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 5, Funny
      what is this called again

      American freedom that needs to be shared with the world :)

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    11. Re:you know.... by AlphaLop · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually they do. I work in the prison system and there are two types of sentences inmates get. Concurrent and Consecutive, funny that they both start with "Con" but I digress.

      I frequently see their sentence structure on their file and it is not uncommon to see an inmate with a sentence like:

      murder-Life with CC

      murder-Life with CC

      UDW (use of a deadly weapon enhancement) 48-72 months CS

      So, what this would work out to be like is this. The inmate would have the 2 life sentences running at the same time, He gets his parole on both. They were running concurrently so they are both complete. NOW he starts serving the 48-72 month sentence that was consecutive to the initial sentence.

      It does not happen this way all the time, but it is quite common.

      So, She could conceivably wack the kids and the idiot judge that actually let this go to trial in the first place and serve less than 40 years.

      This scenario is extremely unlikely but within the realm of possibility.

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  2. i dont see by TheCybernator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    how that is teachers fault? Unless the teacher installed the spy-ware intentionaly, which is probably not the case.

    1. Re:i dont see by SumoRoti · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is the best news of this week. I am 13 years old and now, I know how to send my teachers in jail.

      Yahoo!! Long life to the spywares!!![sardonic laugh]Revenge!

      Artemis Fowl

  3. pr0n pop ups a cost cutting measure? by lupine_stalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    There we go, slash the budget for Personal Health and Development classes. The kids have already gotten all their ill-advised Sex Ed from the friendly people at Backdoorsluts9.com.

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  4. Whoooaaaa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Amero faces up to forty years in prison.

    With laws like that... why don't you let the terrorists win?

  5. 40 years prison for not installing Firefox... by aeneas · · Score: 5, Funny

    40 years prison for not installing Firefox... duh!

  6. This is the tip of the iceberg. by ChangeOnInstall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is trivial to write a piece of software that, when installed on a person's computer, will visit web sites of the attacker's choosing. The software could be programmed to do this covertly and with the specific intent of incriminating the victim, e.g., by only visiting illegal/immoral sites at such times when the person was using the computer to browse the Internet. The offending sites would be in the victim's browser history, having been visited at times when he/she was using the computer. The software could be programmed to destroy itself after a duration, with the attacker then providing information to authorities with regard to the victim's illicit surfing habit. Getting the software onto the victim's computer is also trivial, given the number of exploits available, open wireless networks, etc.

    I'm expecting this to happen soon, if it has not already. Perhaps even as targetted attacks rather than simply random misanthropy.

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  7. Re:The other sad thing. by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Informative

    i used to work in pathology, and the answer is ALL OF THEM.

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  8. A clear case of US double morale? by viffer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I get so fed up with the duality of American society where, on the one hand you are so exceptionally uptight when it comes to nudity, tolerance of other peoples sexuality etc - and on the other hand you are the worlds largest producer & market for pornography.

    This leads to sad, sad examples like this where Prosecutors need to find a guilty party or person at any cost to pin the blame on for having some kids unintentionally see some porn pop-ups. I feel really, really sorry for the poor teacher for getting caught in this mess.

    Its tragicomic for us living outside your country watching this - I sincerely hope you are able to fix these issues in a fundamental way.

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    1. Re:A clear case of US double morale? by John+Betonschaar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. What also makes me wonder is *who the hell got the idea to sue her over this*. Here in Europe, things like this would never, ever, ever go to court. What is with Americans that they need a friggin' court to deal with each and every trivial, minor and major event they don't like?? What happened to the idea of just talking to each other and find a solution all can live with, without destroying someone's life and career? If this teacher gets convicted, even if she only gets 6 months probation, she can kiss her job and any opportunity to get another one in the field goodbye. Years of education wasted, and maybe if she's not that mentally stable she might derange completely, become an alcoholist or even kill herself...

      What should've happened is that this 'incident' (yes: incident, it's nothing more than that) should have been reported to the school principal, and dealt with internally. In the *most extreme* case, in which she deliberately visited porn sites and got the spyware from that, she should be fired. In *any* other case (the spyware came from somewhere else, someone else installed it, etc), there should be *no* repercussions. Maybe only a 'warning' to send out the message to the children's parents that someone was blamed and it won't happen again.

      How you Americans can even consider something like this to be a crime is beyond me... Also, sex is something natural, it does not hurt children. That's not to say you should show your 10-year olds pornography, but if they ever see it accidentally, that's probably a good thing. It opens opportunities to explain some things about life and actually educate and prepare your children for the real world, instead of teaching them denial, hypocrism and an unhealthy and overprudish attitude towards sexuality.

  9. USA: Get over your problem with sex. by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's high time conservative Americans got over their problem with sex. It's clear these hypocrites have sex, otherwise they wouldn't be breeding the children that need to be "protected" from these images. No-one can be harmed by viewing pornographic images, certainly not grade seven students.

    There is nothing wrong with sex. There is nothing wrong with nudity. There is certainly nothing wrong with naked female breasts - those of us in the rest of the world were left laughing our heads of at the utter ridiculousness of the outcry over the Janet Jackson "wardrobe misfunction". In fact, women should be free to walk around topless, as men can, if they so desire. The double-standard is simply mind-boggling.

    I wouldn't mind betting that the same children that saw the images on this poor woman's computer also saw a number of acts of mindless violence on television that same evening, and not a soul complained. How's that for stupidity?

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  10. obligatory: by Bwerf · · Score: 5, Funny

    *** Topic in #doghouse is 'Our hearts are extended to the 17 victims of the recent internet fraud'
    * Anubis has joined #doghouse
    <Anubis> what fraud?
    <Kadmium> You haven't heard about it?
    <Anubis> no?
    <Kadmium> You can read the full story at http://www.tubgirl.com/
    <Anubis> omg wtf!
    *** Kadmium changes topic to 'Our hearts are extended to the 18 victims of the recent internet fraud'


    from bash.
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  11. Re:The case probably has merit. by rve · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hitting one or two could be a mistake, but several? It really sounds more like she was surfing for pr0n in the classroom, and using "teh spyware" as an excuse. And of course, Slashdot fell for it. Again.


    Even if she intentionally showed porn to children, a more appropriate response would be to fire her. A felony charge for multiple counts of endangerment of children is very far over the top. Forty years in prison, for accidentally exposing some children to dirty pictures is just insane. That's a roughly equivalent to a murder conviction. It this, even if it were intentional, really as bad as murder?
  12. Re:Protecting the kids by a_nonamiss · · Score: 5, Informative
    Suing a teacher for something like that is unbelievable.
    The REALLY important point here. They're not suing her. They've convicted her of a criminal felony There is a HUGE difference. Most importantly, she faces prison time. Hard time. This isn't 50 hours picking up trash on the side of the highway. She will likely go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison. She will be placed among society's worst. Then when she gets out, she'll have to register as a sex offender so that she can be publicly rediculed and forced not to live near schools, churches or daycare centers. In addtion, wherever she moves, all residents within a mile of her home will get letters telling that a pervert is living near them, so be sure to keep their kids locked up. On every job application, she will have to list herself as a perverted sexual deviant, and she really stands little chance of ever having a normal life.

    The most important distinction, however, is that it's not some hairbrained idiot at the school that decided to levy these charges. Anybody can sue anyone at any time for any reason. No, this charge was levied by the people. By people representing you and me. The real responsibility for this miscarriage of justice rests on the prosecutor that was elected by the people, and who decided to prosecute this case. He or she needs to be held accountable for ruining the life of another human being.

    Don't talk about this like it's something that could really suck for this woman. It already does suck. She's already been convicted. Sure, she can appeal, and based on what I know from this case, she stands a chance of winning, but that black mark is on her record forever. Appeals are not based on the merit of the original conviction, but rather on the fact that she had a fair trial. Until you are convicted, you are innocent until proven guilty. Once you are convicted, you are guilty until proven innocent. It's a whole different ballgame.

    As someone who regularly uses a computer in front of children as an educational tool, and as an IT professional, this story scares the hell out of me. Although I know how to keep my computer free of spyware, there isn't one person on /. that hasn't been stuck in a random porn loop that they themselves didn't cause. I don't visit bad sites, and I don't open up bad emails, but more than once I have had a porn loop pop up on my PC. Now, after this story, I am seriously faced with the prospect of never using the computer as an educational tool again.
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  13. No wonder... by godzilla808 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there is a shortage of people willing to be teachers in many parts of the US!

    Here's the checklist of benefits of becoming a teacher:
    -Relatively low wages
    -Dealing with spoiled kids
    -Dealing with the parents of spoiled kids
    -Facing 40 years in prison because your school has an IT department consisting mostly of monkeys

    Where do I sign up?!

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