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Decryption Keys For HD-DVD Found, Confirmed
kad77 writes "It appears that, despite skepticism, 'muslix64' was the real deal. Starting from a riddle posted on pastebin.com, members on the doom9 forum identified the Title key for the HD-DVD release 'Serenity.' Volume Unique Keys and Title keys for other discs followed within hours, confirming that software HD-DVD players, like any common program, store important run-time data in memory. Here's a link to decryption utility and sleuthing info in the original doom9 forum thread. The Fair Use crowd has won Round One; now how will the industry respond?"
The Fair Use crowd has won Round One; now how will the industry respond?"
Lawyers. Lots of them.
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Revoke the key. It will happen each time.
I predict that any backlash against key revokation will be addressed by very polished newsvertisements which state that the key revocation is the result of "hacking" by the "pirates" and despite the sincere regret of the problems caused, there is nothing they can do at this point.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
By admitting DRM is useless and treating customers like clients instead of criminals? Only in my mind, only in my mind....
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Between the porn industry choosing HD-DVD and now this, I know what I'm opting for when upgrading to HD movies! Sorry, Sony. I was so looking forward to having spyware installed on my PC with every BluRay disc purchased just like your music discs.
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"Hello, Doom9.com's ISP? Yes, this is Microsoft. We're auditing your sofware licenses."
"Hello, Doom9.com's registrar? You're being charged with violating the DMCA. Pretty much all of it."
"Hello, little tiny country? This is the MPAA, and as official representitives of the US government, we're asking you to hand over all people involved in this post on Doom9.com's forum. If you fail to respond, we'll enact sanctions on your country and drive you into the dark ages. Just look at North Korea for an example.
``The Fair Use crowd has won Round One; now how will the industry respond?''
I think at least the Blu-Ray camp will switch on their intergalactic megaphones and tout how Blu-Ray was superior all along. This whole format war is childish enough for that.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
You have Pr0n, cheaper hardware and blank media than Blu-ray and now you can "backup" movies, HD-DVD will be the winner of the HD format war, at least here in Argentina, Brazil or other developing countrys where piracy reigns...
I took a look at the spec for the HD-DVD encryption. The data is encrypted with AES-128 in CBC mode. The spec states clearly that the IV is a fixed constant. CBC required the IV to no only be unique, but also random. Not making it unique and random leads to a leak of key material. I assume that this is the weakness through which the keys are being extracted.
So rejoice. The HD-DVD media keys will be free.
Evil people are out to get you.
Who needs Blu-Ray anyway?
That format has killed itself by Sony's arrogant attitude. History has shown that locked-in, porn-shy formats always loose.
HDCP is the biggest crime in consumer history yet, let's hope this development kills it before it really takes of. For me there are two choices:
1) HD content works with my current and future hardware setup
2) No HD content for me
It's about time those media companies learn what they are producing their precious content for.
Assuming they're a) in the US and b) not smart enough to cover their tracks, sure.
Ermmm... Good plan except major movie studios will only release on Blu-Ray if it's DMR holds up (at least for the next couple of month). Then again maybe all you want to watch is Porn.
BTW, in yesterday's post about HD Porn and Sony not Allowing Porn on BETA, I assure you there was LOTS of porn on BETA. The adult industry may prefer HD-DVD for cost reasons, but if Blu-Ray wins, there will be Blu-Ray porn -- count on it.
The best thing might be for HD-DVD to fail, have Blu-Ray generally accepted, and THEN break the DMR Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha
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Don't release the crack until after the standard is settled! Now all the studios will go Blu-Ray only.
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or people who want to watch movies they bought on their mythtv system
or people who like to buy movies and watch them, but don't run windows
Couldn't the industry, if it were so inclined, just stop licensing software players? I would imagine that compared to set top DVD players, the software must be a pretty small segment.
And guns are just as useful to criminals as they are to law enforcement units and law abiding people protecting their home.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Quite simple. The content industry will simply dump the format, after all, there's an alternative. Now it's high time to show that BluRay is just as "consumer friendly" and break it for good, so there is no alternative left, and if the studios want to get their content to the customer, they have to accept that DRM is useless in their strife to protect their rights.
The point is to create as much damage as possible, so the industry learns that the only one hurt by DRM are they themselves. Revoked keys mean more work, more expense, more hassle and dissatisfied customers who have to jump the hoops. This will in turn create more awareness for DRM and the problems it creates.
We have to teach the studios that DRM is a failure. That it only generates hassle and problems for their paying customer and is no barriere or even a deterrent for the pirates. For this, the customer has to be the one hurt, too. Learn the easy or the hard way, learn about DRM by investigating or by having your tools stop working.
Yes, that's not the usual gentle way of teaching. But appearantly some people don't learn 'fore it starts to hurt.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It will send in a few lawyers. After a while, they will realise that their impact is negligible in the grand scheme of things: the DRM will continue to deter casual copying to some extent, but will continue to be impotent in preventing anyone determined to make a copy and willing to spend a little time on the 'net to find out how (or download a pre-ripped version).
Meanwhile, genuine customers will get seriously annoyed at the fact that DRM in HD-world has now moved beyond a minor inconvenience or ethical question as it was with things like DVDs, and into the realms of seriously impeding their enjoyment of the product they have legally purchased. A consumer backlash will result, with the effect that DRM becomes a "dirty word" 2-3 years from now, and distributors drop heavily-encumbered formats and go back to what works: a mostly hands-off scheme that's enough to deter casual copying by schoolkids but nothing that risks seriously impacting the marketability of their merchandise.
On the same sort of time scales, on-line distribution will reach a critical mass, and the movie distributors will adopt a second, parallel strategy where cheap, legal, unencumbered downloads are the norm. They will make their profit from on-line users through many small incomes, rather than the larger one-offs represented by (HD-)DVD purchases today. This will render illegal distribution channels mostly irrelevant, and the damage due to illegal copying will revert to being low-level noise as it mostly was before they started their current crusade anyway.
Hey, it's a new year and everyone else is making crystal ball predictions. Can't I have mine, too? :-)
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
New disks can be pressed with new keys, and the compromised software player will have it's key revoked. As such, this is not a generally useful solution. AACS remains secure, and at best, we may see individual keys available for certain pressings of certain discs. This approach will never provide general playback as DeCSS does.
However, it is my understanding that the decryption process can be done by the TPM; once this is supported, the problem will be much more difficult. Make no mistake, the battle has only just begun. Before long, software based attacks may be rendered impossible.
Damn! I think there must be at least 3 different "scene releases" of Serenity in various flavors of high-def by now (1080i mpeg2 cropped to 16:9, 1080i mpeg2 OAR, 1080i h264 and 25fps OAR) So now there will yet another version floating around the net soon. These greedy pirates, always double-dipping or worse to try and get people to download the same movie multiple times!
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1. Porn goes for HD-DVD
2. HD-DVD encryption is broken
3. The Pirate Bay will buy a country
Put them together and you have pirated porn in HD. Note to self: add KY Jelly and a pack of kleenex to the shopping list.
comedy awards? This is hilarious. Spending all that money on DRM, implementing new media, only to have the encryption cracked before launch day (practically) must be like trying to nail jello to the wall using $100,000 nails. (Has Mythbusters tried nailing jello to a wall yet?)
The real question is not how they will respond, but when will they learn?
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Supposedly you google each line of this, and the first result will have a 3 digit number in the title, which you convert to hex, and the result is the hash key
There was lots of porn on Beta, but that is because anyone could record Beta due to the nature of the tape. Anyone can NOT record BluRay. In order to get a disc mastered, you have to go thru a Sony-authorized mastering service and they've been told NO PORN.
I also feel the studios are more interested in a token attempt. The encryption, even when broken, protects against the vast majority of that type of piracy. The geek market that is capable of doing that is so small it is almost negligible. They just have to go thru the motions to make sure the rest of the public keeps thinking "this is too hard to bother with, unless you are a basement-living uber-geek with no life". The big problem is the counterfeit discs that are mass-produced.
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'' HDCP is the biggest crime in consumer history yet, let's hope this development kills it before it really takes of. ''
Every time I read a rant about HDCP, I conclude that customers (and content providers as well) have not the slightest clue what HDCP does.
At some point, after all the decryption, decoding, filtering and whatever else is done, your computer must send a signal to the monitor, which the monitor then translates into an image that you can see. This signal usually comes out of the DVI connector in your computer, goes into a cable, which feeds into the monitor or TV. Our paranoid friends at the MPAA or whatever abbreviation it is are afraid that you could catch the signal coming out of the video card, and record it.
Truth is, you can't. You just can't record a signal of 1920 x 1080 pixel times 12 bit per pixel times 60 frames per second on a harddisk. Well, I can't and no normal consumer can. There are people who could build stuff that could do it, but those people are probably happily building graphics cards for NVidia and ATI, or building DVD players.
Still, that signal had to be encrypted. So you have a chip just before the DVI chip (or integrated into it), and another chip in your TV, and they can negotiate to decide on a key for a cipher stream, and use that cipher stream to encrypt the signal on one end and decrypt it on the other end. Which means you can't record the signal coming out of your computer and turn it into a DVD. However, this has nothing to do with DRM whatsoever. Once this encryption is turned on, it stays turned on until the computer or the monitor are turned off. So if you read slashdot after watching a DVD, everything you see on the screen has gone through encryption and decryption. Doesn't matter, because you couldn't read the signal from the cable anyway.
Where the real effort is: First, the graphics driver has to check constantly that encryption works properly. That is not to make sure you don't steal the video signal (as long as encryption is turned on, you can't, and encryption doesn't turn itself off), it is because if the video card and monitor run out of sync then you will see nothing but snow on the monitor, and that makes for a very very unhappy customer. Second, all the commands from the OS to the driver are encrypted, and status reported by the driver is encrypted as well. Otherwise, a hacker could just pretend to be the OS and tell the graphics card to turn encryption off - and that's it! No, most of the work is not the encryption, but to make sure that the OS always knows whether encryption is turned on or off. And third, a DVD can request that high resolution is only used with encryption, so if the HDCP chip isn't there, the image is scaled down to lower resolution.
All in all, the whole HDCP stuff is complete nonsense. It prevents an attack from thieves in a place where you wouldn't attack. It costs money to add and implement. It doesn't hurt you as a consumer, except that you have to pay for the damned chips. It creates work for device driver writers. It doesn't protect contents. Anyone who can record 200 MB per second from a DVI output has invested some serious money, and a little bit more money will allow you to break into a monitor and get the signal from there.
Executive summary: If you can't record a signal coming from the DVI cable, HDCP doesn't matter. If you can record a signal coming from the DVI cable, HDCP doesn't matter much either.
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people have been xeroxing books for like 40 years and nobody ever made such a stink as the mpaa and riaa have. their whole thing is so wrongheaded, if they would spend all those legal fees and lawyer salaries on hiring better directors/writers/actors their profits would skyrocket. its not piracy that loses them profits, it's SHITTY PRODUCTS.
sometimes, i wonder if i'm the only conservative on teh intarweb. ah well, back to mah hogs and warmongerin'....
Even if they one day develop a perfect DRM scheme full of unbreakable secure paths, it won't be possible to avoid someone simply removing the actual LCD screen, wiring the signals instructing which pixels should turn on and off to a 3rd party device, and recording the unencrypted content in raw format.
No piracy is being stopped by these means. They're and will always be utterly useless.
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Everyone seems to be missing the point. Existing titles are chump change. Just make the next pressing with the new key. The flurry seems to center around release dates anyway, so no future discs will decode on the compromised player. They don't want to make it impossible, they simply want to make it difficult. Having to keep a key database updated is a pain in the ass. I'd go as far as to say that they don't care about an isolated crack - they'll "fix" it and go on, with updates from time to time. This is a s/w player, not a hardware player, correct? Just require an update.
The point is that they will make this about Piracy, and that its the Pirate's fault that you have to go download an update to get your machine to work. Not their fault (Say "Not my fault" in David Spade's voice an you'll get the idea). Most consumers will believe the newsvertisement they see on ther local station that blames those evil pirates for their suffering. If it weren't for the pirates, their stuff would work. Which can easily be spun at truth - pirates cracked the system, system must be safe or poor artists children will starve, so we had to change the system - all pirates fault. Your mother would fall for that, and you know it.
Right and wrong is irrelevant - it's who takes the blame for the mess that matters, and the industry has a lot of PR money to make sure the finger points at someone else.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
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What about the early adopters, who bought high-end video cards without HDCP, or very nice HDTVs, also witohut HDCP? They now have to pray that somebody (Sony?) sees the light and doesn't trip the "artificially cripple old HDTVs" flag.
So, because the MPAA is afraid of an attack that isn't feasable, and may never be, they are forcing early to buy new hardware (for no good reason). I can't help but wonder if this wasn't a simple money grab -- force everyone to upgrade so they pay you twice for the same hardware.
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Sure you can: take output from computer a), feed into hdtv card on computer b), compress to mpeg2, store on disk. And btw, it is 24bit per pixel, 30 fps (non-interlaced), but the figures come out the same.
The TPM does slow public key authentication. It doesn't have the throughput to do high data rate AES which is what's necessary to decrypt the video stream.
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Truth is, you can't. You just can't record a signal of 1920 x 1080 pixel times 12 bit per pixel times 60 frames per second on a harddisk
Yes, surely you can. For a start it's approximately 30 frames a second (it's 60 fields a second). That gives you a stream of:
(1920 * 1080 * 12 * 30) / (1024*1024) = ~ 712 Mib/s (megabits per second) or
about 89 MiB/s.
I would have though an array of high speed reasonably standard disk drives could handle that quite easily, after all consumer SATA drives have a theoretical 1.5 Gib/s interface.
No, you can't. Pretty much all "HDTV cards" are taking already-encoded streams from off-air HD stations and basically extracting it into a file on your hard drive. However, if you know of a low-cost capture card that can handle HD-res DVI/HDMI, then by all means feel free to enlighten us.
The GP is correct. If you can actually capture DVI in realtime, then you're probably inside the industry already, where no form of copy protection can prevent leaks.
Also, especially referring to 1080p TVs, regardless of the signal stored on the disk, the output is pretty much 1920x1080x60fps. And, if anything, it's probably 32bpp between device and monitor.
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Actually you can already buy DVI capturing cards capable of recoding 1600x1200x60:7 0.php
http://www.fi-llc.com/boards/Products/AccuStream1
Real-time recoding of HDTV videos is not that far away on consumer PCs either. I doubt that it would be a problem in 5 years.
So if there was no HDCP, and there was no way to get the compressed signal, capturing the data would become a viable option.
Has the same thing been done for Blu-Ray yet? I would like to see DRM on both systems being shown as being useless.
:-) Makes me wonder if it's possible they'll do this with HD-DVD, or if it has reached critical mass alraedy, so to speak.
I agree, although it would be more amusing to me if Blu-ray DRM was broken with various key extraction algorithms in about 6 months or so, for it to reach the market better and give them less hope to just change details in the standard as a worst case scenario.
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According to the Wikipedia article the DVI specification does indeed have a colour depth of 24 bits per pixel.
Actually, I've more commonly seen it referred to Digital Restrictions Management. I think the term Digital Rights Management is just the publishers attempt to put a positive spin on something that is fundamentally designed to impose restrictions on your use of the content. The accepted and common meaning of the abbreviation of course will be determined in due time.
your premise about needing to record 200MB/s is incorrect because it doesn't need to be played back at 60fps in order to make a copy! set your player to play at, say, 1/10th speed and suddenly you only have to record 20MB/s. sure, the RIP process takes 10x as long but, really, big deal.
More like 3.0 Gib/s (SATA2), but either way, it doesn't matter, modern consumer hard drives can't write faster than ~40M/sec. But if you put 2 or 3 of those consumer drives in RAID 0, you shouldn't have much trouble at all writing 89M/s, especially if you compress the signal before dumping it to disk. In a couple years it'll be even easier.
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They could take a more drastic approach, and simply revoke the keys to all software players, since software players are too easy to extract keys from. The already cracked discs would still be available for piracy, but further discs wouldn't be playable on anything but hardware. That would definitely suck, and would render the "victory" as Pyrrhic.
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Unfortunately, dismissing the porn industry is what killed the technically superior Betamax. Without it, all they have is the rabid PS3 fans to bolster their film sales - and that's only if the gamers want to take a minute to watch a movie.
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You'd have to slow down the content eventually though, wouldn't you? I mean, 1920x1080 at 60fps with 24 bits per pixel is 2,847MiB per second. That's 1920*1080 = 2,073,600 pixels^2 per frame, and that multiplied by sixty seconds equals 124,416,000 pixels^2 per second, and using n pixels^2 = 24n bits we get 2,985,984,000 bits per second. Divide by eight to get bytes, and we have 373,248,000 bytes. That equals 364500 KiB, or ~355.95MiB/second.
That means you'd fill up your multiple GiB buffer in a matter of seconds. Are you using a fast enough hard drive to write it to disc? Even over SATA 3.0Gb/s your actual throughput is right around 300MiB/s. So you're losing 60MiB to the buffer every second, which means for every gigabyte of RAM you have, you can encode raw HD content for another seventeen to eighteen seconds, assuming everything works really well.
Simply put: without realtime compression and probably signal loss, you can't encode that signal on common hardware. Far easier to simply decrypt the HD content on whatever media it's stored on and reencode it at your leisure.
Seriously, the more and more I read about "fair use" on Slashdot in conjonction with DRM for DVDs, HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray, the more I can't help but think that it's an euphemism for "piracy". Seriously, stop kidding yourselves. The majority of people who rip and burn movies are pirating them, not practicing their fair use right to show clips in schools or make backup copies.
"By admitting DRM is useless and treating customers like clients instead of criminals?"
Customers shouldn't be treated like criminals, but they shouldn't act like criminals either. Many "customers" act as criminals then bitch and moan when they're being treated as such.
What is needed is a DRM that is advanced enough to be flexible enough to allow all "fair use" while curtailing piracy. That would be the ideal. But the reality is that DRM isn't advanced enough and won't be any time soon, if ever. So the best would be to get rid of DRM altogether. But please do NOT pretend that DRM is broken primarily for "fair use". It's broken for piracy over torrents and P2P and warez sites. In other words, it's broken for "criminal" activity, so I seen no reason why those engaged in such should be treated as "criminals".
Note: I put "criminal" in quotes, because copyright infringement is actually a "civil" offense rather than "criminal", in the US. Unless one pirates more than $1000 worth of works in 180 days, in which case it does become "criminal".
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You just can't record a signal of 1920 x 1080 pixel times 12 bit per pixel times 60 frames per second on a harddisk.
30 frames/second, not 60. Anyway, that's 1920x1080x1.5 bytes/frame, just over 3 megabytes/frame. About 93 megabytes per second with zero compression. Reasonably modern hardware on a RAID 0 or RAID 5 setup should do that easily, or any modern SCSI drive system. Heck, you can buy off-the-shelf Firewire-B external drive systems capable of that. And disk subsystems aren't getting any slower (unless you're saddled with crappy drivers and filesystems at the software level.)
That said, I pretty much agree with your conclusion.
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Aye, my MythTV backend with the disk dump has two 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives in a RAID 0 array. The frontend has three HDTV capture cards(two HD-5500 & one HD-3000). A Lowly 100mbps full-duplex network link between the two boxes.
I'm able to record three HD streams at once via nfs(nfs ver3, ver4 cause kernel panic under that load). Playback of one of the three streams while it is being recorded isn't do-able but recording two and watching an earlier(yet to be transcoded) one all at the same time works.
An hour of 1080i is a little shy of 8.5GB. The network link is the bottleneck in my setup, the disk array handles the task without a problem.
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Round 2 is people violating copyright claiming fair use
In this case, fair use is a pretty damned good argument. The fact that the videos will refuse to play because the player software has decided that it simply doesn't like your hardware is a good enough reason to circumvent the restrictions, IMO.
And if I owned the necessary hardware and such a disc, I'd be making that argument to the secretary of state that I should be allowed access to an unprotected copy, in order to be able to access the data as is my right as a valid licensee.
The DMCA only applies to the US, it doesn't apply to those outside the US.
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Actually, these figures are just about achievable with contemporary hardware. Something like one of the latest Nforce motherboards with 6 SATA2 ports loaded with the latest fast, high capacity hard drives (like the Seagate 750GB 7200.10 drives) in a RAID0 stripe. I have an Nforce4 system with 4 500GB 7200.10 drives sitting under my desk right now. It nearly hits that transfer rate, but only on the faster part of the disk. Of course, with a typical length movie you'll then have about 3TiB of uncompressed video that you'll need to run through a suitable codec (like X264), and that will take a while... but it's the sort of challenge that some people would relish.
Well, first off you're assuming there's no such thing like a HDTV hardware encoder (after which you can store it on a plain non-raid HDD as far as bandwidth is concerned). Those chips are in sub-1000$ cameras, and you don't need lens, ccd, tape mechanism or any other fancy electronics, just the encoder chip. Probably a few hundred dollars at most, really.
Secondly, raw capture is certainly possible. Full HDTV is about 1.5Gbps (HD-SDI used for uncompressed HDTV interlinks for example). Then you can throw in some very light lossless capture codec like huffyuv who'll covert to YUV2 (half the bits) and compress it 2:1 again on any normal CPU, and you're down to ~360Mbps, or 45MB/s. Hell, I capture 25MB/s from my DV camera on a regular basis. 45MB/s would take a fancier disk like a Raptor X or a RAID 0, but then again RAID 0 is standard on pretty much every mobo I've seen.
No, it's not that pretty... but if you were a slightly dedicated pirate (remember, they think they're going to stop everyone) then setting up this is hardly excessive. The only thing that's not in common circulation is in fact a DVI *in* port.
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Obviously, the only solution to the Analog hole is Digital Eyeballs. Everyone needs to have their eyes replaced with suitably DRM encumbered devices that are uncrackable. Then the high definition TV can be fed directly to your brain, the connection will be secure, and the MPAA will be rich!!!
What does firewire have to do with HDMI?
BTW, macs don't come with software or codecs to record, transcode or play back the HD MPEG streams available on firewire. Firewire hard drives aren't required either. You could have just as easily said firewire deck + PC + magic software. Nice try.
Linux users whose computers don't come with the software automatically will just choose Applications->Add/Remove Software and choose "HDCrack", which by then will be a graphical frontend for mplayer. Mplayer and the cracking software will be downloaded automagically and probably will access a network of online database of title keys hosted in openness friendly countries. Thereafter when they insert a supported HD-DVD, it will just play. It will, as usual, contain ripping software for translating the content into a more accessible, device shiftable and back-up possible format.
When you run Windows, freely available (and commercial) software (and even sometimes simple media!) often comes with evil code. Linux users usually don't have to deal with that. Linux users can use trusted repositories and the free choices available are an embarassment of riches. The question isn't if the software is available, but which package best suits your goal. Access to this global pool of application resources is built in to the standard interface on most distributions.
It must be tough to be a Windows only user these days. All that going to the store and giving your credit card number to anonymous websites and all... Not knowing whether you're installing something that works, doesn't work, crashes your computer or is just a trojan horse program that surrenders your computer to anonymous remote control whether you paid for it or not. So sad. And the OS comes with absolutely no real applications, except of course the world's least secure browser. And that's just the stuff you install on purpose. Stuff that installs itself unbidden or hacks that come preinstalled by the OEM (without an OS-Only install CD!) are an entirely different level of sad.
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You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. No matter how well coded, any information used by a program is available to someone determined to extract it.
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I'm not totally up on all this stuff (some, but not all.) What about this: I copy a HD-DVD to my harddrive. Then I find the decryption key for it. I decrypt it and convert it to another format. Couldn't I then distribute it without them knowing what player was used?
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Just to add a little to the other reply - your mythtv stream is only a few megabits/sec. Certainly not 700Mb/s! You might be able to record at that rate with the right drive setup, but you'd fill your hard drive mighty fast (80 megabytes per second eats through space pretty quick).
Go ahead and check the mythtv-users list - this is a common topic. The hardware capable of compressing live HD is very expensive - studio gear. We're not talking Apollo-mission cutting edge, but even the TV studios have difficulty with live HD streams (I know somebody who works in the industry).
Anybody recording HD using myth is recording compressed MPEG2 - not DVI. In fact, there is a company that will mod your cable box with DVI/HDMI-only output to add a firewire port so that you can record the HD stream at a decent rate.
They should give up. It's hopeless.
There are enough honest folk to sell their content to that they can make a good living. The crooks can and will always cheat. Hiring armed guards to escort and live with each recorded disc is cost prohibitive and nothing else is going to solve this problem for them. Any content that can be played can be recorded. Period. Anything one program can do, another program can do. That is not going to change ever.
They should just sell us honest folk a disc that contains the content we want in a form that is easily copied onto our home servers and transcoded into our desired format, trust us not to cheat, and be happy with the money we give them.
Yeah, they'll still sell only one copy for all of China, but that's not going to change ever either. The pirates get their content before it's even on the master of the disc we buy. Strangely, it seems they sometimes get it even before the final edit.
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Three questions if I may:
:-)
1. Are you telling me that there are people who would pay as much as $2,000 for a board that digitizes the three YPbPr component video signals and two analog stereo outputs of an HDTV device and sends the data to a PC for recording (or plugs into the PCI bus and is accessed via device drivers), or would that price also require downscaling of the image and MP4/XviD compression? I believe that fast enough FPGA boards with high speed ADC's and builtin PCI interface plus DMA can be had for around two or three hundred dollars.
2. How much would the MP4 and/or XviD compression portion of the operation be worth (perhaps as an optional extra-cost feature)? At the moment I have no idea how feasible MP4 compression would be for an FPGA. If it's very complicated it may require a very expensive FPGA or even a custom VLSI chip in order to have enough logic circuitry available.
3. Is http://forum.videohelp.com/ representative of the type of "Videohelp & AVS's forums" you referred to, or do you have some better suggestions as to where I could go to sell my YPbPr/MP4 converters after I've built a couple of them?
P.S.
This kind of thing is made considerably easier thanks to the Open Source sharing of Verilog and VHDL designs at places like http://www.opencores.org/ where you can find pre-existing tested and free (as in freedom) designs for things like USB and Ethernet interfaces (not sure about MP4 compression though), so I wouldn't be doing the whole thing from scratch and that's why I gave such an optimistic schedule estimate.
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First of all, 60 fps would be interlaced. So an de-interlaced signal would be 30 fps, half the bandwidth, i.e. 170MB/sec. Then you do on-the-fly compression, you can probably reduce that by 2/3. So your final bandwidth is around 50MB/sec. You could easily achieve this with a simple raid setup.
There are presumably a thick raft of consumer-protection laws which prevent the industry from turning your shiny new $500 HD player into a shiny boat anchor because some nitwit cracked the player key. If the industry ever did that sort of thing, I'd expect either a product recall with free replacements/servicing or a class-action lawsuit against either the revoking authority or the manufacturer for not offering replacements.
Come to think of it, who is responsible when a manufacturer makes a product and a revoking authority with which they'd signed a contract turns it into a paperweight? Whose responsibility, whose fault?
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca